Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about Vedic astrology

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Namaskar Shri Bharat,

In spite of saying, "I certainly can't discuss

> matters

> with people who 'think from their knees"', now that

you have discussed some points let me answer them one

by one:

The first point you have raised is about authenticity

of the incidents I have quoted: These are: (i) Dr.

Raman passing away before his astrologically planned

date to deliver a lecture on "Astrology as an Aid to

Medical Sciences". An announcement had been made in

the Astrological Magazine of January 1999 to the

effect that Dr. Raman would deliver the said lecutre

on Jnuary 2, 1999, but as everybody knows, he passed

away on December 20, 1998--and that also of a "cadiac

arest" as per the Astrological Magazine of February

1999!

 

About Kunjilal Jyotishi not dying in spite of his own

prediction about hiw own death on October 18, 2005,--

it was splashed even on this august forum. What was

most pathetic about such a scene is that most of the

members of this forum had said "K. N. Rao stuck his

neck unnecessarily (by confirming that Kunjilal would

die on that date and time)". And as every "Vedic

jyotishi" knows, Mr. Rao is the astrological advisor

to Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan and writes for almost every

magazine and paper worth the name apart from publising

his own magazine. He is also known as "B. V. Raman of

North"! So if even his predictions fail, like that of

the "father-figure that he wants to emulate!) God only

can save the King (democracy now-a-days!)

 

Regarding "BJP winning the elections", I do not know

why you do not know (selective amensia!) that every

paper had gone to the town with every astrologer

screaming from housetops that come what may, Vajpayee

would be the PM again! There can hardly be any sane

man in India who cannot see that if a party like BJP

had preponed the elections by several months, they

would never have done so without "proper

consulstations from court astrologers" since they did

not even sneeze without consulting a "Vedic jyotishi".

 

That much about the authenticity of the "succeful

predictions".

 

Your this statement appears very surprising "Oh! So

they would have won, if Sh Mohan Jyotishi would have

been consulted".

I wish they had consulted me since I would have quoted

to them their own favourite Kautilya i.e. Vishnugupta

Chanakya's Arthashatra "nakshatram ati prichhantam

baalam artho ativartate; artho hi arthasya nakshatram

kim karishyanti tarakah"...i.e. "The objective (artha)

eludes the foolish man (baalam) who enquires too much

from the stars. The objective should be the nakshatra

of the objective, of what avail are the stars?" (As

quoted by Saha Calendar Reform Commitee Report -- page

236). I do not know whetehr you are aware of the fact

that Chankaya was the Minister of Chandra-Gupta Maurya

and it was through Kautilya that the Maurya king was

able to defeat the Nanda dynasty (they must certainly

have been consulting jyotishis likethe BJP!). This

happened in fourth century BCE and Chaanakya warning

his king and readers that they should not fall into

the trap of "nakshatra jeevis/soochis" is as valid

today for any wise man as it was then!

 

Now about your similies of astrology with medical

sciences. This is what you have said

"As per your absolutely useless logic, all doctors

should be banned from practising medicine :

 

> 1. As some make wrong judgments which seldom results

in death.

> 2. As some advise to others that many a times causes

more complications

> 3. They cannot save themselves from death!!"

 

My answer is: Every "Vedic astrologer" is of the firm

view that the maximum rate of successful predictions

cannot exceed seventy per cent come what may! It

means that if thrity patients out of every hudnred

patients being treated by a doctor die or "lose their

hearth and home" because of some criminal negligence

on the part of the doctor, that doctor must certainly

be a quack and not a doctor. And we do not have any

dearth of such mushrooming "jhola chhap doctors" in

India! Such doctors, if and when caught, will be

"hanged by neck till death". I am sure you would

yourself recommend such a punishment for such

"doctors".

What punishment do you propose for "Vedic astrologers"

since they themselves admit that "out of hundred

patients/clients they treat wrongly at least thrity

patients/clients"?

 

You have closed your letter with the following words:

 

"Prabhu, if I discuss anything further with you, I

> would be foolish".

 

No, my dear friend, you are absolutely wrong! You

woulde be foolish if you do not discuss things! It

appears you have not heard the famous quote:

"Saraswati ke bhandar ke badi apoorav baat, jyoon

kharche tyoon bade, binkharche gati jaat"

 

Let me translate it for you:

"There is something miraculous about Sarswati the

goddess of knowledge! The more you spend it (that is

the more you discuss something) the more it increases

-- gets replenished--- and if you do not spend it

(i.e. if you do not discuss things)your Saraswati will

decrease day by day (and ultimately leave you bereft

of any budhi at all!).

With regards,

Mohan jyotishi

>

 

> vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Mohan

>

> "If someone calls himself a Vedic Hindu and knows

> the

> Vedas actually, he would certainly not to

> predictive astrology since there are no Rasis in the

> Vedas nor in the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva Jyotihs

> nor Paitamaha sidhanta or Paulisha or Romaka

> Sidhanta

> either! If in spite of such facts some one insists

> to

> call himself or herself a "Vedic astrologer" it

> means

> that he/she does not know even ABC of the Vedas!"

>

> Your facts and fictions are limited by so many

> assumptions that it is

> simply

> futile to discuss anything with you. Again, who are

> you to pass a judgment

> whether or not someone has understanding of the Veda

> or not? Are you the

> dwaarpal of what is Vedic and what is not. I

> certainly can't discuss

> matters

> with people who "think from their knees".

>

> 1. Dr. B. V. Raman, supposed to be the "Greatest

> Vedic

> astrologer of the Twentieth century" had planned

> astrolo8ically to deliver a lecture on "Astrology as

> an aid to Medical Sciences" at Hyderabad on January

> 2,

> 1999. However, he passed away on December 20, 1998,

> fourteen days prior to delivering the

"astroligically

> planned lecture".

>

> By making this statment you have proven that you

> know nothing about

> astrology or about the man or about both.

>

> 2. Kunji Lal, the by-now-famous Jyotishis of Betul

> had

> planned astrologically to shed of his mortal coil on

> October 18, 2005, and it had been "okayed" by a

> doyen

> among "Vedic astrolgers" viz. Mr. K. N. Rao! All

> that

> happened was that it gained some more bad publicity

> for the already infamous "Vedic astrology".

>

> Good for your "cause"!

>

>

> 3.Poor BJP had preponed last General Elections by

> several months on the "sane advice" of "Minsters of

> Vedic astrology". The result was that it had to

> vaccate the seats of power before time, thanks to

> "Vedic astrology" and "Vedic astrologers".

>

> Oh! So they would have won, if Sh Mohan Jyotishi

> would have been

> consulted.

>

> Three instances, which we have no proof of being

> true or false, have been

> given to prove that the entire gambit of Vedic

> Astrology is false. As per

> your absolutely useless logic, all doctors should be

> banned from

> practising

> medicine :

>

> 1. As some make wrong judgments which seldom results

> in death.

> 2. As some advise to others that many a times causes

> more complications

> 3. They cannot save themselves from death!!

>

> Prabhu, if I discuss anything further with you, I

> would be foolish.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 10/26/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaskar Shri Bharatji,

> > You say:

> > "Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should

> not

> > > be used. My contention is whether or not

> Ayanamsha

> > is used,astrology is Vedic and Hindu".

> >

> > My answer is

> > When there is no predictive astrology in the

> Vedas,

> > the question of advocating nirayana or sayana does

> not

> > arise at all! Since I am not a professional

> > astrologer myself, I do not have any axe to grind

> in

> > asking anybody to follow a particular ayanamsha!

> All I

> > am saying is that in the Vedas there are no Rashis

> but

> > a seasonal year has been referred to times without

> > number. Thus when there is no sidereal year in the

> > Vedas, how can there be any so called nirayana

> > rashichakra! It has nothing to do with predictive

> > astrology, but everything with the timings of

> rituals.

> > Obviously, we are not only not following the Vedas

> > by subscribing to predictive astrogly but even

> > insulting them by subscribing to a so called non

> > existent nirayana rashichakra!

> >

> > If someone calls himself a Vedic Hindu and knows

> the

> > Vedas actually, he would certainly not

> to

> > predictive astrology since there are no Rasis in

> the

> > Vedas nor in the Vedanga Jyotisha or Atharva

> Jyotihs

> > nor Paitamaha sidhanta or Paulisha or Romaka

> Sidhanta

> > either! If in spite of such facts some one insists

> to

> > call himself or herself a "Vedic astrologer" it

> means

> > that he/she does not know even ABC of the Vedas!

> >

> > In his post, Mr. Sreenath also had clarified that

> it

> > had been proved by Avtar Krishen Kaul in his

> ephemeris

> > that there is absolutely no astrology in the Vedas

> and

> > it is therefore wrong to call any predictive

> system as

> > Vedic astrology. Thus when there is no astrology

> in

> > the Vedas even as per Mr. Sreenath, to argue

> whether

> > "Vedic astrology" is nirayana or sayana is

> meaningless

> > and futile!

> >

> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" of Lagadha has clarified that

> > Jyotish is meant to decide the timings of rituals

> (and

> > not to decipher the future of every Tom, Dick and

> Hary

> > through predictive gimmicks). The same statement

> has

> > been reiterated by Bhaskaracharya in his Sidhanta

> > Shiromani. If someone calls Vedanga Jyotish a tool

> > for predictions in spite of these admonishments

> from

> > our shastras, it is his/her sweet will!

> >

> > How useful and helpful predictive astrology can be

> is

> > evident from just the following few "incidents":

> > 1. Dr. B. V. Raman, supposed to be the "Greatest

> Vedic

> > astrologer of the Twentieth century" had planned

> > astrolo8ically to deliver a lecture on "Astrology

> as

> > an aid to Medical Sciences" at Hyderabad on

> January 2,

> > 1999. However, he passed away on December 20,

> 1998,

> > fourteen days prior to delivering the

> "astroligically

> > planned lecture".

> > 2. Kunji Lal, the by-now-famous Jyotishis of Betul

> had

> > planned astrologically to shed of his mortal coil

> on

> > October 18, 2005, and it had been "okayed" by a

> doyen

> > among "Vedic astrolgers" viz. Mr. K. N. Rao! All

> that

> > happened was that it gained some more bad

> publicity

> > for the already infamous "Vedic astrology".

> > 3.Poor BJP had preponed last General Elections by

> > several months on the "sane advice" of "Minsters

> of

>

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