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Namaste Shri Bharatji,

First of all a request. If you do not hear from me in

response to your letters for a few days, please do not

think I have "disappeared" from the scene. Actually,

"aur be gam hain zamane main Vedic jyotish ke

siva"..especially since it is not my profession but a

hobby to uphold the truth especially in "Vedic

astrology". Secondly, in this discussion or any

other, no personal reflections are meant, at least

from my side!

 

Now to your point:

India's first indigenous jyotishi viz. Varahamihira

has said in Varahi Samhita 2/15

"Yavnah hi mlechhas-teshu samyak shastramidam sthitam;

rishivat te api pujyante kim punar veda-vid dvijah"

 

"Though yavanas are mlechhas, yet because they are

learned in jyotish shastra, even they are worshipped

like Rishis. The honour of being worthy of worship

goes to the three types of Dwijas i.e. twice born who

know the Vedas already (even if they do not know

anything about astrology!)....

 

I am by birth an Indian and supposed to be a Veda-vid

Brahmin even according to original

Varahamihira---whatever his "duplicates" may say

today! So I have every right to call myself a Vedic

Brahmin, unlike "Vedic astrologers" who are trying to

gate crash into the Vedas by propagating predictive

gimmicks as Vedic---which they are not at any cost.

Dhanyavad.

Mohan Jyotishi

 

 

> vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu

> Astrology

> <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Mohan

>

> Your name is not mentioned in the Vedas, therefore

> you too are an

> insult to

> the Vedas. You cannot be called Hindu or Vedic.

> Therefore, given the same

> logic, why a non-hindu and a non-vedic be allowed to

> discuss who is Vedic

> and who is not.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 10/27/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Naveen,

> > Navagraha Sukta:

> > There is no navagraha sukta in any of the Vedas.

> > Please give exact references. If you are talking

> of

>

 

 

 

 

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I am not so sure about the system's appraoch. The system that calls 11th lord as

the most benefic has no classical standing. If you are proposing it to be a new

age quantum theory that supercedes classical knowledge, people who try it would

be most disappointed.

 

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On 10/28/05, amit_patnaik6 <amit_patnaik6 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

ALL,Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the accuracy of its

results, the observational science has received a huge impetus by the research

of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can Join Satva and Satva 101

for more information.Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an

un-intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan Jyotishi it better you

do more research as to where the present "Vedic" astrology stands, if Issac

Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro bodies and later not

applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies) doesnt mean it isnt true.BHPS etc

was the foundation of this science, research was needed to be done by us over

centuries to progress the observations and bring in more accuracy , but instead

it was blindly followed and thus there is so much confusion and dogma about

astrology of the East.Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken the

observations of Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific approach

and accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.

Weather predcitions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science why?every

Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated with experiments

to bring in a statistical low level of mean deviation and then depending on the

results you can conclude its veracity.Its my word as a computer scientist and

astrologer that mere disregard for something without adequate research , is not

even worth discussing.ThanksAmit Patnaik

vedic astrology, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:>> >

Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,> Namaste,> Vedic dharma is still alive only

because of fearless

> people like you. > > The "fate" of running after "Vedic astrologers" is>

evident from the "destiny" being "enjoyed" by our> neighbouring Hindu kingdom.

The crwon prince there

> assasinated his father and mother -- the king and> queen of that very kingdom,

just because they did not> allow him to marry his sweet heart! And why did the>

king and queen not let him do so? Because some

> "Vedic astrologers" there had indicated that the> horoscope of the crown

prince and his sweet heart did> not match!> > The crown prince is said to have

ultimately shot> himself dead, which no "Vedic astrologer" there had

> predicted!> > I am sure you would not like Indian citizens also to> face a

similar dilemma as to whether they should marry> their sweet hearts against the

"sane advice" of "Vedic

> astrologers" or commit suicide to "marry their> sweethearts" in the next

janma!> > With your "seventy years' experience" you have to wake> up the young

as well as the old!

> Dhanyavad.> Mohan Jyotishi> > > vedic astrology

, KARUNAAKARAM> > RAAGHAVAM> > <munisevitham> wrote:> > > > Namaste,> > > >

> As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is> > against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like> > going on a fishing

expedition of peeping into future> > through astrology.> > > > If the dialogue

of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

> > Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is> > true as per

scripctures, I have no other option but> > to> > respect your sentiment .> > >

> > That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

> > about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the> > "magnificent" fate of that

country for such a> > "glorious" pastime!> > > > I agree , many a youthful

brilliant students of

> > the> > world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are> > capable of

leaving behind their permanent stamps in> > the society are encaged in

predictive> > astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

> > unproductive excavations on others fate , may even> > become less attentive

towards their duties, family> > and wards .> > > > Science mutes astrology :> >

Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

> > edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the> > astrologers ( for

advice of seasonal rains ) kept '> > one eye on the soil and the other on the

sky ' for> > sowing seeds.Long

ago the area was adopted by a> > "Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the

natives> > many farming technics,at present the area resembles> > a> > delta

region and the natives realised " work is to

> > worship" rather than running behind astrologers for> > advices .> > > > My

friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for> > the drop outs / retired

from active life.

> > > > I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.> > > > --- Mohan Jyotishi

<jyotishi231> wrote:> > > > >> > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a> > > square> > > peg in a

round hole!> > >> > > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like> > > Mangal,> > > Budha,

Shani etc.> > >> > > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > > century> > > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean> > > tithi,>

> > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that> > > orignial indigenous

work neither refers to Rashis

> > > nor> > > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both> > > inclusive!> > >

In other words, just the mention of Surya and> > > Chandra> > > is there, which

means there was no predictive

> > > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE> > ---> > > Not to speak

of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE> > > --> > > in India. Obviusly, to call

predictive astrology,

> > > and> > > that also the so called nirayana predictive> > > astrology.> > >

as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg> > in> > > a

> > > round hole, much against the very spriti of the> > > Vedas> > > and the

Vedanga Jyotisha!> > >> > > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive> > >

astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> > > has> > > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,> > > Panaphara

etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.> > >> > > The English translation of "Brihat

Parashara

> > > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by> > > Parashara Rishi also

shows its indebtedness to the> > > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it

mentions> > > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > > which could never be of Indian origin, much less> > > Sanskrit origin.

Evidently, Indian astrology is> > > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu>

> > scriptures,

> > > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we> > > may> > > blow!> >

>> > > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of

> > such> > > hocus pocus!> > >> > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology

is> > against> > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is> > like

> > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into> > future> > > through

astrology. That was actually a full time> > job> > > of Babylon in about 4000

BCE, and just see for

> > > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country> > for> > > such a

"glorious" pastime!> > >> > > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > > similar destiny!> > >> > > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the> >

"creator"> > > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > > translation of which is doing the rounds these> > days,> > > wanted the

readers to follow Surya Sidhanta> > > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was

the> > Ayanamsha

> > > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus> > you> > > have three

ayanamshas being advocated by same> > > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition

follows

> > > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya> > > Sidhanta Ayanamsha

whereas the English translator> > > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all

the> > > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one> > > edition does not

agree with the other in any way!> > > And> > > as already seen, the original

Parashara Rishi, in

> > > his> > > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything> > > about

Ayanamshas since he has made it> > catagorically> > > clear that Vasant Sampat

and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti> > > etc.!> > >> > >

Dhanyavad.> > > Mohan Jyotishi> > >> > > >

vedic astrology,> > > KARUNAAKARAM> > > > RAAGHAVAM> > > >

<munisevitham> wrote:> > > >> > > > NaNamaste> > > > Thanks for your

mail.My quest is to know :> > > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf>

> > > Astrology,> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could> > >

become

> > > > a> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?> > > > While my requests for

above clarifications till> > > > rests> > > > with the list,you have given me an

> > opopportunityo> > > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs> > > >

debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve> > > the> > > > question of who

authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > > being.> > > >> > > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:> > >

>> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage> > > > PrPrashara>

believed in astrology!> > > > >> > > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic

work by

> > > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any> > work> > > > on> > > >

astrology by> > > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> > > of> > > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand> > > the> > > >

> seasons but ironically, there is no mention of> > > === message truncated ===

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The weather science is quite accurate. the way the equations are you can not

predict the weather 2 weeks in advance, but upto three to five days the

forcasts are quite accuarate. the last hurricane wilma they knew after hitting

canacun it was going to turn east toward florida and not go north to new

orleans

 

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On 10/28/05, sauravdesi <sauravdesi > wrote:

Dear AmitYou asked weather predictions are not even accurate by 90%, yet it isa

science. Weahter prediction is basically done by a set of dynamical

and physcal equations. Those are formaulated based on natural laws offluid

dynamics modified by planetary effects; such as earth'srotation, earth's

radiation, topography, vegetation ..... It is not100% accurate yet because of

the limitation of our knowledge in scale

interactions of different phenomena of nature ; e.g. the air-seainteraction,

cloud micro physics, vegetation and environmental efectsetc. Those

understanding will need both field experiments as well ascomputer simulations

which will cost trillions of dollars. But the

science is growing and eventually will achive the goal.In the predictions of

weather and climate again it depends what youwish to predict. A lay man will

not be wrong to say that monsoon willcome to India every year. How it will

menifest is a difficult question

and dependent on several factors some of which are known and some areyet

unknown.Compare that with astrology. People may argue the role of dynamics

andphysics in astrology - but is not that part taken care in astronomy?

Over the years people have tried to establish empirical relation basedon certain

combinations of planets, stars and constellation of stars(sometimes even not

related to their actual positions in physicalspace). This is not bad for

prediictive purposes or using it for

predictive purposes. However, I will not consider it as a science.Rather it is

an art since it is highly subjective to individual'sability to use empirical

rules. For example. no where in those claimedanacient literature that you will

find a mention of the word

"computer". Yet modern jyotishi predict's a person's career, livingand name and

fame related to his knowledge and ability in computerscience. In fact most

modern jyotishi are dependent on computer.

Statistics is blind. I can correlate number of hurricanes to certainqualities of

US president. Or that matter, India's population withChinese ecoomic growth.

Will that be a new science then?If we think planets are affecting us, why a

particular person is

affacted more than others even if he lives in the same locality. Inesence are we

not trying to say that a planet/combination of planetsplaced in astral space has

differential influence on the samelocation. People argue that people born on

different times have

different mental qualities and hence they are affaceted differentlythrough their

mental channels. Well, mental chanel can notinvite/avoid death. Other way round,

twins born seconds appart livingin the same locality suffer/enjoy differently.

How can we explain that?

Having said that, I have no prejudice against the practice of jyotshi.However,

instead of clinging to the rules of those claimed/unclaimed,antique/modern

books it is time to start thinking why those rules work

or does not work :)ThanksSaurav > > Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and

compare the accuracy of > its results, the observational science has received a

huge impetus by

> the research of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can > Join

Satva and Satva 101 for more information.> Dismissal without experiments and

mere conjecture is an un-> intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan

Jyotishi it > better you do more research as to where the present "Vedic"

astrology > stands, if Issac Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro >

bodies and later not applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies) > doesnt mean it

isnt true.> BHPS etc was the foundation of this science, research was needed to

> be done by us over centuries to progress the observations and bring > in more

accuracy , but instead it was blindly followed and thus there > is so much

confusion and dogma about astrology of the East.> Present day Sages like V.K

Chaudhry have taken the observations of > Parashara, Jamini et al to another

level of scientific approach and > accuracy and brought it down as applicable

to the present age.> Weather predcitions are never even 90% accurate yet its a

science why?> every Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be

validated > with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean >

deviation and then depending on the results you can conclude its > veracity.>

Its my word as a computer scientist and astrologer that mere > disregard for

something without adequate research , is not even worth > discussing.> >

Thanks> Amit Patnaik> >

vedic astrology, Mohan Jyotishi > <jyotishi231> wrote:> >>

> > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,> > Namaste,> > Vedic dharma is still

alive only because of fearless

> > people like you. > > > > The "fate" of running after "Vedic astrologers"

is> > evident from the "destiny" being "enjoyed" by our> > neighbouring Hindu

kingdom. The crwon prince there

> > assasinated his father and mother -- the king and> > queen of that very

kingdom, just because they did not> > allow him to marry his sweet heart! And

why did the> > king and queen not let him do so? Because some

> > "Vedic astrologers" there had indicated that the> > horoscope of the crown

prince and his sweet heart did> > not match!> > > > The crown prince is said to

have ultimately shot

> > himself dead, which no "Vedic astrologer" there had> > predicted!> > > > I

am sure you would not like Indian citizens also to> > face a similar dilemma as

to whether they should marry

> > their sweet hearts against the "sane advice" of "Vedic> > astrologers" or

commit suicide to "marry their> > sweethearts" in the next janma!> >

> > With your "seventy years' experience" you have to wake> > up the young as

well as the old!> > Dhanyavad.> > Mohan Jyotishi> > > > >

vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM> > > RAAGHAVAM> > >

<munisevitham> wrote:> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > > > As a matter of

fact, predictive astrology is

> > > against> > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like> > >

going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future> > > through astrology.> >

> > > > If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother> > > Ms.Satyavati

(refer to my original thread below) is> > > true as per scripctures, I have no

other option but> > > to

> > > respect your sentiment .> > > > > > > That was actually a full time job

of Babylon in> > > about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the> > >

"magnificent" fate of that country for such a

> > > "glorious" pastime!> > > > > > I agree , many a youthful brilliant

students of> > > the> > > world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

> > > capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in> > > the society are

encaged in predictive> > > astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing> >

> unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

> > > become less attentive towards their duties, family> > > and wards .> > >

> > > Science mutes astrology :> > > Natives of some villages situated on the

slopes and

> > > edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the> > > astrologers (

for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '> > > one eye on the soil and the other on

the sky ' for> > > sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a> > > "Society

Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives> > > many farming technics,at present

the area resembles> > > a> > > delta region and the natives realised " work is

to

> > > worship" rather than running behind astrologers for> > > advices .> > > >

> > My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for> > > the drop outs /

retired from active life.

> > > > > > I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.> > > > > > --- Mohan Jyotishi

<jyotishi231> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > > > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a> > > > square> > > > peg

in a round hole!> > > >> > > > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha,

Vrisha

> > > > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like> > > > Mangal,> > > >

Budha, Shani etc.> > > >> > > > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > > > century> > > > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean> > > >

tithi,> > > > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that> > > > orignial

indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> > > > nor> > > > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both> > > >

inclusive!> > > > In other words, just the mention of Surya and> > > > Chandra

> > > > is there, which means there was no predictive> > > > astrology even as

late as thirteenth Centruy BCE> > > ---> > > > Not to speak of the Vedic period

of about 3000 BCE

> > > > --> > > > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,> > > > and>

> > > that also the so called nirayana predictive> > > > astrology.

> > > > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg> > > in> > > > a> > > >

round hole, much against the very spriti of the> > > > Vedas

> > > > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!> > > >> > > > Thus the very first Indian work

of predictive> > > > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he> > > >

has

> > > > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,> > > > Panaphara etc.

etc. than Sanskrit in them.> > > >> > > > The English translation of "Brihat

Parashara

> > > > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by> > > > Parashara Rishi

also shows its indebtedness to the> > > > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it

mentions

> > > > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---> > > > which could

never be of Indian origin, much less> > > > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian

astrology is> > > > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> > > > scriptures,> > > > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we> >

> > may> > > > blow!> > > >> > > > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example

of

> > > such> > > > hocus pocus!> > > >> > > > As a matter of fact, predictive

astrology is> > > against> > > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it

is

> > > like> > > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into> > > future> > >

> through astrology. That was actually a full time> > > job> > > > of Babylon in

about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > > > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country> > > for> > > > such a

"glorious" pastime!> > > >> > > > I am sure you would not like India also to

have a

> > > > similar destiny!> > > >> > > > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha,

the> > > "creator"> > > > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > > > translation of which is doing the rounds these> > > days,> > > > wanted

the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta> > > > calculations/ayanamsha, since that

was the

> > > Ayanamsha> > > > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus> > > you>

> > > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same> > > > "Parashara" -- The

Mumbai edition follows

> > > > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya> > > > Sidhanta

Ayanamsha whereas the English translator> > > > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha!

Ironically,all the

> > > > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the> > > > three

ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one> > > > edition does not agree with

the other in any way!> > > > And

> > > > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in> > > > his> > > >

original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything> > > > about Ayanamshas

since he has made it

> > > catagorically> > > > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are> >

> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti> > > > etc.!> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavad.> > > > Mohan Jyotishi> > > >> > > > >

vedic astrology,> > > > KARUNAAKARAM> > > > > RAAGHAVAM> > > > >

<munisevitham> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > NaNamaste

> > > > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :> > > > > >If the Sage Veda

VyVyass a non bebelieverf> > > > > Astrology,> > > > > > that how come Indian

Hindu Astrology could

> > > > become> > > > > a> > > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?> > > > >

While my requests for above clarifications till> > > > > rests

> > > > > with the list,you have given me an> > > opopportunityo> > > > > learn

that the author's name of BHBHPSs> > > > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my

purpose,I shelve

> > > > the> > > > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time> > > > >

being.> > > > >> > > > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1@y

....> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan> > >

> > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!> > > > > >> > > > > > The Vishnu

Purana, the only authentic work by> > > > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not

refer to any

> > > work> > > > > on> > > > > astrology by> > > > > > sage PaParashara On the

other hand, it is full> > > > of> > > > > > astronomical discussions about

RaRasichakrand

> > > > the> > > > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of> > > > >

=== message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > >

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sites in one click.> >

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