Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 One of my friends is going through a very tough phase. Seek your help in recommending some remedy for her problems. Anahita Date of birth: 31.03.1980 Location: India 75e50, 22n43 time : 2.49 am She has developed a detachment from life and in general from everything that would interest a normal person. She is not yet married, but have lost interest in life. what should be done... should she wear some gemstone?? Could this be because her lagna lord Saturn and the same in Leo rashi in 8th house? Also, here Guru and Rahu are also together in 8th house. Is this Guru chandal yoga?? what effect this has on her life. She decided to marry a person around August 24, 2005 (before Jupiter transit in Libra). But, is facing problems from her parents on the same. How and when this will get sorted out. Request you to help on this as the person seems to have lost interest in life. Does this also lead to suicidal tendency???? Please guide. Regards Sachin vedic astrology wrote: ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Click here to rescue a little child from a life of poverty.http://us.click./rAWabB/gYnLAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM--~-> There are 25 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 2"vijayadas_pradeep" 2. Re: Only lagna and not planets??? Hmm..."Sreenadh" 3. Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep)Shri Narasimha - 3"vijayadas_pradeep" 4. Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4"vijayadas_pradeep" 5. Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Manoj and Vijaydas) -LagnasUtpal Pathak 6. RE: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4"adavi srinivasamurthy" 7. Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4 - Shri Adavi"utpal pathak" 8. Re: Rasi and div charts (Manoj and Vijaydas) -Lagnas"vernalagnia" 9. Re: Re: Namaskar Rafal--- PLEASE HELPPPPP shane head 10. Interesting chart"pinvester" 11. thank you jai balagopaljiJagadeesh Srirama 12. lagna lord Mars behavior "laugadgil" 13. Re: Re: BHPS the bible of astrology - Let the Pundits talk.Hematsinka hematsinka 14. BIBLE BHPS ? -LET THE PUNDIT TALK. Hematsinka hematsinka 15. Downward spiral"sukant_gupta" 16. Re: Gajakesari LogicsAstrology4us 17. Please send me your favorite astrology links"elpredicto2" 18. Re: Gajakesari Logics- analysis of my horoscope.uday gargi 19. Veerya Chyuta Planets- Sarvartha Chintamani "preventina" 20. Re: Re: why is guru bad in 3rd house transitVick Vick 21. Re: Re: why is guru bad in 3rd house transitKanak Bosmia 22. Re: why is guru bad in 3rd house transit"preventina" 23. Re: why is guru bad in 3rd house transit"jatinsingus" 24. Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4Chandra Sekhar 25. can death be predicted? or avoided? sn bahl __________Message: 1 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:25:15 -0000"vijayadas_pradeep" Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 2Dear Narasimha ji1)What is a Navamsha.Navamsha is 1/9th of any sign.2)How is Navamsha derived and usedLet us take your example.Lagna is at 22 degree Aries.It falls in the 7th Navamsha, within Aries Rashi.As per sage this corresponds to Libra.3)Now what is a navamsha.Every planet by virtue of its position in zodiac,will have varying influences on various signs for varying matters.We call Vargas as Harmonic charts or having harmonic influences.As you are a product of IIT Madras,i need not teach you what is harmonics, resonance etc.From the exact degree of its occupation,a planet will influence harmonically different signs(same circualr zodiac).The sign on which the 1/9th harmonic influence of a planet falls is called its navamsha rashi.The1/7th influence is called Saptamsha Rashi.Even if there is no planet, a sector within a sign is harmonically related to another sign throgh lord/sign relationship.All these happen within the same Zodiac.The psoitions which we mark as navamsha are these influences(projections) and not placements.Western astrologers calls these as aspectual patterns.Pradeepvedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" wrote:>> Dear Pradeep,> > I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand.> > If Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries (respectively), I take them to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and I take them to aspect each other.> > You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact that they are in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of the physical placement (rasi chart). You say that they are still at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and hence 20 deg apart. So you questioned how two planets apart by 20 deg can aspect each other.> > Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They are 20 deg apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But let us leave that aside and accept your view for a moment.> > Now, the interesting thing is that you and Finn said that the correct way to judge a division is to project its lagna onto the rasi chart and judge houses from it and aspects on it in rasi chart, using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not misrepresenting you.> > Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let me elaborate.> > Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg Gemini. Lagna in navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi chart and say that "navamsa lagna" is in Libra in rasi chart. You say that Jupiter at 18 deg in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I hope I am not misrepresenting you.)> > However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries physically (using the same argument you used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at 56 deg from it. How can he aspect it?> > Thus, when you are projecting navamsa lagna from Li in navamsa to Li in rasi, you are ignoring the fact that lagna is not physically in Li and treating as Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in the above example from Ar and Li in navamsa to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say that they aspect each other? I'll call them "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" and project them onto Ar and Li of rasi chart (just as you projected "navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the latter example) and say that they aspect each other.> > * * *> > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > classical reference.> > To answer your question directly, it is not a view but a deduction.> > Libra covers 180 deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in the 7th navamsa of Aries was mapped to Libra by Parasara. In other words, a planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of the zodiac is mapped to 180 deg-210 of the zodiac. The way to understand it is to look at as a transformation. A tranformation can map the same space onto itself. We can take a space X and find a map f that maps X onto X. Navamsa transformation and dasamsa transformation are essentially such maps of zodiac onto the same zodiac.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times.> > > > > > Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may be 20 > > > deg apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg > > apart > > > in the transformed navamsa space. > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > classical reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are two > > zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would like to know > > your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get confused.> > > > I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of individual > > signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all.> > > > As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for > > nakshathra padas or are they physically present within a rashi!!!.> > (It equals one navamsha).> > Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different > > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has given > > clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a rashi.> > > > Thanks> > Pradeep>__________Message: 2 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:25:48 -0000"Sreenadh" Re: Only lagna and not planets??? Hmm...Dear PVR,In Kerala like your mixed char view of JHora we *project* Navamsa of lagna and all other planets (and similarly for all other Vargas) on top of the Rasi chart (Natal chart) and use them for prediction. Aspect within Varga is never considered. In your words:>If the sign occupied by lagna in navamsa can be "projected" onto the >rasi chart and used, why can't the sign occupied by Moon be >"projected" onto the rasi chart and used? In fact, why can't the >signs occupied by all planets be "projected" onto the rasi chart and >used, perhaps with lagna of the rasi chart?Not the Nvamsa legana but the legna it self is considered. Like you mentioned the sign occupied by Moon, or any planet can be *projected* on top of any varga in the Bhavat-Bhava (Sign to sign) thinking method. In your words:>When navamsa sign is defined for lagna and all planets, why allow the >"projection" of only lagna onto the rasi chart and why not other >planets? Why do we have to be logically inconsistent?As far as I understand there is no logical inconsistency. Not only the Lagna (not navamsa lagna) any sign/planet can be used for such projection.In your words:>If lagna of navamsa and various planets of navamsa can be >independently "projected" onto the rasi chart, why can't we project >all of them together and just use them together?Yes. That is what we do here in Kerala. And we feel that every text we came across supports the same view.Love,Sreenadhvedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" below:> > > Sloka 13: "If the Shadvargas of the Lagna are occupied or aspected> by one and> > the same planet a Raja Yoga is formed."> >> > As I read this, the aspects are only to be used in the signs> (Rashi) and> > each of the Shadvargas occupied by the Ascendant are therefore> projected into> > the natal chart (Rashi) from which it is observed if one planet is> aspecting> > all the six Lagna-Rashis at the same time.> > Now I have a couple of very basic questions on this.> > (1) If the sign occupied by lagna in navamsa can be "projected" onto the rasi chart and used, why can't the sign occupied by Moon be "projected" onto the rasi chart and used? In fact, why can't the signs occupied by all planets be "projected" onto the rasi chart and used, perhaps with lagna of the rasi chart?> > Parasara defined the transformation needed to figure out the sign occupied in navamsa by lagna or any planet, given its longitude. When navamsa sign is defined for lagna and all planets, why allow the "projection" of only lagna onto the rasi chart and why not other planets? Why do we have to be logically inconsistent?> > (2) If you agree to that, I will go one step further and ask: If lagna of navamsa and various planets of navamsa can be independently "projected" onto the rasi chart, why can't we project all of them together and just use them together?> > That's nothing but the navamsa chart!!> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> ------------------------------->__________Message: 3 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:25:47 -0000"vijayadas_pradeep" Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep)Shri Narasimha - 3Now i will give you classical references.In Varha Hora or so ,it is said - If the seventh has amshaka of Venus,wife will be a Subhaga(Beautiful Yoni).What is 7th having amshaka of Venus.It means Shukra is harmonically having influence on the the sign,which is simultaneously the 7th house.In common parlance navamsha of Shukra is in the 7th sign from Lagna. Also i have read somewhere if the 5th has amsha of Mars,it is bad for progeny.It means Mars has (1/9th)influence on the 5th sign -or navamsha of Mars is the sign which happens to be our 5th house.If you remember i had told you that you do not have a conjunction of Moon and Venus in navamsha.Moon and Venus are individually infleuencing the said sign.You can see these projections from rashi chart or seperate navamsha chart as you wish.It is conveneince and proper understanding of interrelationships that matter.Planetary aspects,combustion,War,Drekkana bala,Kendra/Kona Bala etc are to understood similarly.There is no kendra kona bala in varga groupings.vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" wrote:>> Dear Pradeep,> > I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand.> > If Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries (respectively), I take them to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and I take them to aspect each other.> > You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact that they are in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of the physical placement (rasi chart). You say that they are still at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and hence 20 deg apart. So you questioned how two planets apart by 20 deg can aspect each other.> > Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They are 20 deg apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But let us leave that aside and accept your view for a moment.> > Now, the interesting thing is that you and Finn said that the correct way to judge a division is to project its lagna onto the rasi chart and judge houses from it and aspects on it in rasi chart, using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not misrepresenting you.> > Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let me elaborate.> > Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg Gemini. Lagna in navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi chart and say that "navamsa lagna" is in Libra in rasi chart. You say that Jupiter at 18 deg in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I hope I am not misrepresenting you.)> > However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries physically (using the same argument you used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at 56 deg from it. How can he aspect it?> > Thus, when you are projecting navamsa lagna from Li in navamsa to Li in rasi, you are ignoring the fact that lagna is not physically in Li and treating as Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in the above example from Ar and Li in navamsa to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say that they aspect each other? I'll call them "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" and project them onto Ar and Li of rasi chart (just as you projected "navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the latter example) and say that they aspect each other.> > * * *> > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > classical reference.> > To answer your question directly, it is not a view but a deduction.> > Libra covers 180 deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in the 7th navamsa of Aries was mapped to Libra by Parasara. In other words, a planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of the zodiac is mapped to 180 deg-210 of the zodiac. The way to understand it is to look at as a transformation. A tranformation can map the same space onto itself. We can take a space X and find a map f that maps X onto X. Navamsa transformation and dasamsa transformation are essentially such maps of zodiac onto the same zodiac.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times.> > > > > > Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may be 20 > > > deg apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg > > apart > > > in the transformed navamsa space. > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > classical reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are two > > zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would like to know > > your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get confused.> > > > I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of individual > > signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all.> > > > As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for > > nakshathra padas or are they physically present within a rashi!!!.> > (It equals one navamsha).> > Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different > > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has given > > clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a rashi.> > > > Thanks> > Pradeep>__________Message: 4 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:26:51 -0000"vijayadas_pradeep" Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4Now we will discuss the rajayoga4)Raja Yoga ShlokaIf the shadvargas of Lagna is having or is aspected by a single planet,Rajayoga results.Based on the quality of aspect,degree of Rajayoga varies.Shadvargas of Lagna can be a single sign or different.These signs represent the varying influences of our Natal lagna.Classical astrologers used the term -Amshaka Rashi -which means,Lagna is having Amshaka(navamsha) in that particular sign. Now why do a single planet aspecting shadvargas of Lagna ,grant Rajayoga. Lagna represent us.Shadvargas of Lagna represent the signs which are being infleunced by our lagna for various matters.These signs are functionally responsible for such respective matters.Now if a single planet has full aspect on all such signs - We are influenced by a similar force for various matters.In simple terms a good powerful friend(when the planet concerned is so) is helping us in various matters(Studies/Sports/Music/Administartion/Family).Can we enjoy Rajayoga?Narasimha ji we have seen hundreds of examples from Kalyan Varma on how to use a varga.Still you are sticking on to technical points.I am only happy to attempt any of your further questions.=== message truncated === FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Dear Sachin, Her birth chart is not good, almost all planets are afflicted and in bad nakshatras. Also she is going through rahu mahadasha. In my opinion she should not get married as her chart is not good for marriage. This person will have big problems when saturn will transit leo sign. Regards G. Singh vedic astrology, Sachin Pande <sachin_pande> wrote: > > Dear Gurus, > > One of my friends is going through a very tough phase. Seek your help in recommending some remedy for her problems. > > Anahita > Date of birth: 31.03.1980 > Location: India 75e50, 22n43 > time : 2.49 am > > She has developed a detachment from life and in general from everything that would interest a normal person. She is not yet married, but have lost interest in life. what should be done... should she wear some gemstone?? > > Could this be because her lagna lord Saturn and the same in Leo rashi in 8th house? > > Also, here Guru and Rahu are also together in 8th house. Is this Guru chandal yoga?? what effect this has on her life. > > She decided to marry a person around August 24, 2005 (before Jupiter transit in Libra). But, is facing problems from her parents on the same. How and when this will get sorted out. > > Request you to help on this as the person seems to have lost interest in life. Does this also lead to suicidal tendency???? > > Please guide. > > > Regards > Sachin > > > vedic astrology wrote: > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 2 > "vijayadas_pradeep" > 2. Re: Only lagna and not planets??? Hmm... > "Sreenadh" > 3. Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep)Shri Narasimha - 3 > "vijayadas_pradeep" > 4. Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4 > "vijayadas_pradeep" > 5. Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Manoj and Vijaydas) -Lagnas > Utpal Pathak > 6. RE: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4 > "adavi srinivasamurthy" > 7. Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4 - Shri Adavi > "utpal pathak" > 8. Re: Rasi and div charts (Manoj and Vijaydas) -Lagnas > "vernalagnia" > 9. Re: Re: Namaskar Rafal--- PLEASE HELPPPPP > shane head > 10. Interesting chart > "pinvester" > > 11. thank you jai balagopalji > Jagadeesh Srirama > 12. lagna lord Mars behavior > "laugadgil" > 13. Re: Re: BHPS the bible of astrology - Let the Pundits talk. > Hematsinka hematsinka > 14. BIBLE BHPS ? -LET THE PUNDIT TALK. > Hematsinka hematsinka > 15. Downward spiral > "sukant_gupta" > 16. Re: Gajakesari Logics > Astrology4us > 17. Please send me your favorite astrology links > "elpredicto2" > 18. Re: Gajakesari Logics- analysis of my horoscope. > uday gargi > 19. Veerya Chyuta Planets- Sarvartha Chintamani > "preventina" > > 20. Re: Re: why is guru bad in 3rd house transit > Vick Vick > 21. Re: Re: why is guru bad in 3rd house transit > Kanak Bosmia > 22. Re: why is guru bad in 3rd house transit > "preventina" > > 23. Re: why is guru bad in 3rd house transit > "jatinsingus" > 24. Re: Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4 > Chandra Sekhar > 25. can death be predicted? or avoided? > sn bahl > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 1 > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:25:15 -0000 > "vijayadas_pradeep" > Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 2 > > Dear Narasimha ji > > 1)What is a Navamsha. > Navamsha is 1/9th of any sign. > > 2)How is Navamsha derived and used > Let us take your example.Lagna is at 22 degree Aries.It falls in the > 7th Navamsha, within Aries Rashi.As per sage this corresponds to > Libra. > > 3)Now what is a navamsha. > > Every planet by virtue of its position in zodiac,will have varying > influences on various signs for varying matters.We call Vargas as > Harmonic charts or having harmonic influences.As you are a product > of IIT Madras,i need not teach you what is harmonics, resonance > etc.From the exact degree of its occupation,a planet will influence > harmonically different signs(same circualr zodiac).The sign on which > the 1/9th harmonic influence of a planet falls is called its > navamsha rashi.The > 1/7th influence is called Saptamsha Rashi.Even if there is no > planet, a sector within a sign is harmonically related to another > sign throgh lord/sign relationship.All these happen within the same > Zodiac.The psoitions which we mark as navamsha are these influences > (projections) and not placements.Western astrologers calls these as > aspectual patterns. > > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand. > > > > If Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries > (respectively), I take them to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and > I take them to aspect each other. > > > > You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact > that they are in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of > the physical placement (rasi chart). You say that they are still at > 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and hence 20 deg apart. So you questioned > how two planets apart by 20 deg can aspect each other. > > > > Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They are 20 deg > apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But > let us leave that aside and accept your view for a moment. > > > > Now, the interesting thing is that you and Finn said that the > correct way to judge a division is to project its lagna onto the > rasi chart and judge houses from it and aspects on it in rasi chart, > using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not misrepresenting you. > > > > Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let me > elaborate. > > > > Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg > Gemini. Lagna in navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi > chart and say that "navamsa lagna" is in Libra in rasi chart. You > say that Jupiter at 18 deg in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I hope > I am not misrepresenting you.) > > > > However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries physically (using the same > argument you used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at 56 deg from it. > How can he aspect it? > > > > Thus, when you are projecting navamsa lagna from Li in navamsa to > Li in rasi, you are ignoring the fact that lagna is not physically > in Li and treating as Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and > Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in the above example from Ar and Li > in navamsa to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say that they aspect each > other? I'll call them "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" and > project them onto Ar and Li of rasi chart (just as you > projected "navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the latter > example) and say that they aspect each other. > > > > * * * > > > > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > > classical reference. > > > > To answer your question directly, it is not a view but a deduction. > > > > Libra covers 180 deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in the 7th > navamsa of Aries was mapped to Libra by Parasara. In other words, a > planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of the zodiac is mapped to > 180 deg-210 of the zodiac. The way to understand it is to look at as > a transformation. A tranformation can map the same space onto > itself. We can take a space X and find a map f that maps X onto X. > Navamsa transformation and dasamsa transformation are essentially > such maps of zodiac onto the same zodiac. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times. > > > > > > > > Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may > be 20 > > > > deg apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg > > > apart > > > > in the transformed navamsa space. > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > > classical reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are > two > > > zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would like to > know > > > your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get > confused. > > > > > > I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of > individual > > > signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all. > > > > > > As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for > > > nakshathra padas or are they physically present within a > rashi!!!. > > > (It equals one navamsha). > > > Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different > > > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has > given > > > clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a > rashi. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 2 > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:25:48 -0000 > "Sreenadh" > Re: Only lagna and not planets??? Hmm... > > Dear PVR, > In Kerala like your mixed char view of JHora we *project* Navamsa of > lagna and all other planets (and similarly for all other Vargas) on > top of the Rasi chart (Natal chart) and use them for prediction. > Aspect within Varga is never considered. > In your words: > >If the sign occupied by lagna in navamsa can be "projected" onto the > >rasi chart and used, why can't the sign occupied by Moon be > >"projected" onto the rasi chart and used? In fact, why can't the > >signs occupied by all planets be "projected" onto the rasi chart and > >used, perhaps with lagna of the rasi chart? > Not the Nvamsa legana but the legna it self is considered. Like you > mentioned the sign occupied by Moon, or any planet can be *projected* > on top of any varga in the Bhavat-Bhava (Sign to sign) thinking > method. > In your words: > >When navamsa sign is defined for lagna and all planets, why allow the > >"projection" of only lagna onto the rasi chart and why not other > >planets? Why do we have to be logically inconsistent? > As far as I understand there is no logical inconsistency. Not only > the Lagna (not navamsa lagna) any sign/planet can be used for such > projection. > In your words: > >If lagna of navamsa and various planets of navamsa can be > >independently "projected" onto the rasi chart, why can't we project > >all of them together and just use them together? > Yes. That is what we do here in Kerala. And we feel that every text > we came across supports the same view. > Love, > Sreenadh > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > ...> wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > Finn Wandahl and Vijaydas Pradeep are arguing that lagna in > divisions is only to be "projected" to the rasi chart and used in rasi > chart. See the view below: > > > > > Sloka 13: "If the Shadvargas of the Lagna are occupied or aspected > > by one and > > > the same planet a Raja Yoga is formed." > > > > > > As I read this, the aspects are only to be used in the signs > > (Rashi) and > > > each of the Shadvargas occupied by the Ascendant are therefore > > projected into > > > the natal chart (Rashi) from which it is observed if one planet is > > aspecting > > > all the six Lagna-Rashis at the same time. > > > > Now I have a couple of very basic questions on this. > > > > (1) If the sign occupied by lagna in navamsa can be "projected" onto > the rasi chart and used, why can't the sign occupied by Moon be > "projected" onto the rasi chart and used? In fact, why can't the signs > occupied by all planets be "projected" onto the rasi chart and used, > perhaps with lagna of the rasi chart? > > > > Parasara defined the transformation needed to figure out the sign > occupied in navamsa by lagna or any planet, given its longitude. When > navamsa sign is defined for lagna and all planets, why allow the > "projection" of only lagna onto the rasi chart and why not other > planets? Why do we have to be logically inconsistent? > > > > (2) If you agree to that, I will go one step further and ask: If > lagna of navamsa and various planets of navamsa can be independently > "projected" onto the rasi chart, why can't we project all of them > together and just use them together? > > > > That's nothing but the navamsa chart!! > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 3 > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:25:47 -0000 > "vijayadas_pradeep" > Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep)Shri Narasimha - 3 > > Now i will give you classical references. > > In Varha Hora or so ,it is said - If the seventh has amshaka of > Venus,wife will be a Subhaga(Beautiful Yoni).What is 7th having > amshaka of Venus.It means Shukra is harmonically having influence on > the the sign,which is simultaneously the 7th house.In common > parlance navamsha of Shukra is in the 7th sign from Lagna. Also i > have read somewhere if the 5th has amsha of Mars,it is bad for > progeny.It means Mars has (1/9th)influence on the 5th sign -or > navamsha of Mars is the sign which happens to be our 5th house.If > you remember i had told you that you do not have a conjunction of > Moon and Venus in navamsha.Moon and Venus are individually > infleuencing the said sign.You can see these projections from rashi > chart or seperate navamsha chart > as you wish.It is conveneince and proper understanding of > interrelationships that matter. > Planetary aspects,combustion,War,Drekkana bala,Kendra/Kona Bala etc > are to understood similarly.There is no kendra kona bala in varga > groupings. > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand. > > > > If Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries > (respectively), I take them to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and > I take them to aspect each other. > > > > You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact > that they are in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of > the physical placement (rasi chart). You say that they are still at > 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and hence 20 deg apart. So you questioned > how two planets apart by 20 deg can aspect each other. > > > > Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They are 20 deg > apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But > let us leave that aside and accept your view for a moment. > > > > Now, the interesting thing is that you and Finn said that the > correct way to judge a division is to project its lagna onto the > rasi chart and judge houses from it and aspects on it in rasi chart, > using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not misrepresenting you. > > > > Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let me > elaborate. > > > > Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg > Gemini. Lagna in navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi > chart and say that "navamsa lagna" is in Libra in rasi chart. You > say that Jupiter at 18 deg in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I hope > I am not misrepresenting you.) > > > > However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries physically (using the same > argument you used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at 56 deg from it. > How can he aspect it? > > > > Thus, when you are projecting navamsa lagna from Li in navamsa to > Li in rasi, you are ignoring the fact that lagna is not physically > in Li and treating as Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and > Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in the above example from Ar and Li > in navamsa to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say that they aspect each > other? I'll call them "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" and > project them onto Ar and Li of rasi chart (just as you > projected "navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the latter > example) and say that they aspect each other. > > > > * * * > > > > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > > classical reference. > > > > To answer your question directly, it is not a view but a deduction. > > > > Libra covers 180 deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in the 7th > navamsa of Aries was mapped to Libra by Parasara. In other words, a > planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of the zodiac is mapped to > 180 deg-210 of the zodiac. The way to understand it is to look at as > a transformation. A tranformation can map the same space onto > itself. We can take a space X and find a map f that maps X onto X. > Navamsa transformation and dasamsa transformation are essentially > such maps of zodiac onto the same zodiac. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times. > > > > > > > > Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may > be 20 > > > > deg apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg > > > apart > > > > in the transformed navamsa space. > > > > > > Dear Narasimha ji > > > > > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any > > > classical reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are > two > > > zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would like to > know > > > your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get > confused. > > > > > > I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of > individual > > > signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all. > > > > > > As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for > > > nakshathra padas or are they physically present within a > rashi!!!. > > > (It equals one navamsha). > > > Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different > > > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has > given > > > clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a > rashi. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 4 > Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:26:51 -0000 > "vijayadas_pradeep" > Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4 > > Now we will discuss the rajayoga > > 4)Raja Yoga Shloka > If the shadvargas of Lagna is having or is aspected by a single > planet,Rajayoga results.Based on the quality of aspect,degree of > Rajayoga varies.Shadvargas of Lagna can be a single sign or > different.These signs represent the varying influences of our Natal > lagna.Classical astrologers used the term -Amshaka Rashi -which > means,Lagna is having Amshaka(navamsha) in that particular sign. > Now why do a single planet aspecting shadvargas of Lagna ,grant > Rajayoga. > > Lagna represent us.Shadvargas of Lagna represent the signs which are > being infleunced by our lagna for various matters.These signs are > functionally responsible for such respective matters.Now if a single > planet has full aspect on all such signs - We are influenced by a > similar force for various matters.In simple terms a good powerful > friend(when the planet concerned is so) is helping us in various > matters(Studies/Sports/Music/Administartion/Family).Can we enjoy > Rajayoga? > > Narasimha ji we have seen hundreds of examples from Kalyan Varma on > how to use a varga.Still you are sticking on to technical points.I > am only happy to attempt any of your further questions. > > > === message truncated === > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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