Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about Vedic astrology!

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Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

Namaste,

Vedic dharma is still alive only because of fearless

people like you.

 

The "fate" of running after "Vedic astrologers" is

evident from the "destiny" being "enjoyed" by our

neighbouring Hindu kingdom. The crwon prince there

assasinated his father and mother -- the king and

queen of that very kingdom, just because they did not

allow him to marry his sweet heart! And why did the

king and queen not let him do so? Because some

"Vedic astrologers" there had indicated that the

horoscope of the crown prince and his sweet heart did

not match!

 

The crown prince is said to have ultimately shot

himself dead, which no "Vedic astrologer" there had

predicted!

 

I am sure you would not like Indian citizens also to

face a similar dilemma as to whether they should marry

their sweet hearts against the "sane advice" of "Vedic

astrologers" or commit suicide to "marry their

sweethearts" in the next janma!

 

With your "seventy years' experience" you have to wake

up the young as well as the old!

Dhanyavad.

Mohan Jyotishi

 

> vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> RAAGHAVAM

> <munisevitham> wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> against

> the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> through astrology.

>

> If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

> Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is

> true as per scripctures, I have no other option but

> to

> respect your sentiment .

>

> > That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

> about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the

> "magnificent" fate of that country for such a

> "glorious" pastime!

>

> I agree , many a youthful brilliant students of

> the

> world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

> capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in

> the society are encaged in predictive

> astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

> unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

> become less attentive towards their duties, family

> and wards .

>

> Science mutes astrology :

> Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

> edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the

> astrologers ( for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '

> one eye on the soil and the other on the sky ' for

> sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a

> "Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives

> many farming technics,at present the area resembles

> a

> delta region and the natives realised " work is to

> worship" rather than running behind astrologers for

> advices .

>

> My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for

> the drop outs / retired from active life.

>

> I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.

>

> --- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

> > square

> > peg in a round hole!

> >

> > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like

> > Mangal,

> > Budha, Shani etc.

> >

> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > century

> > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean

> > tithi,

> > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> > nor

> > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both

> > inclusive!

> > In other words, just the mention of Surya and

> > Chandra

> > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

> ---

> > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE

> > --

> > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,

> > and

> > that also the so called nirayana predictive

> > astrology.

> > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg

> in

> > a

> > round hole, much against the very spriti of the

> > Vedas

> > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> >

> > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> > has

> > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> >

> > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> > scriptures,

> > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we

> > may

> > blow!

> >

> > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of

> such

> > hocus pocus!

> >

> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is

> like

> > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into

> future

> > through astrology. That was actually a full time

> job

> > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country

> for

> > such a "glorious" pastime!

> >

> > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > similar destiny!

> >

> > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the

> "creator"

> > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > translation of which is doing the rounds these

> days,

> > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

> Ayanamsha

> > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus

> you

> > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > edition does not agree with the other in any way!

> > And

> > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

> > his

> > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > about Ayanamshas since he has made it

> catagorically

> > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti

> > etc.!

> >

> > Dhanyavad.

> > Mohan Jyotishi

> >

> > > vedic astrology,

> > KARUNAAKARAM

> > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > Astrology,

> > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > become

> > > a

> > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > rests

> > > with the list,you have given me an

> opopportunityo

> > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve

> > the

> > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > being.

> > >

> > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > >

> > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any

> work

> > > on

> > > astrology by

> > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> > of

> > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand

> > the

> > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of

>

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Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the accuracy of

its results, the observational science has received a huge impetus by

the research of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can

Join Satva and Satva 101 for more information.

Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an un-

intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan Jyotishi it

better you do more research as to where the present "Vedic" astrology

stands, if Issac Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro

bodies and later not applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies)

doesnt mean it isnt true.

BHPS etc was the foundation of this science, research was needed to

be done by us over centuries to progress the observations and bring

in more accuracy , but instead it was blindly followed and thus there

is so much confusion and dogma about astrology of the East.

Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken the observations of

Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific approach and

accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.

Weather predcitions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science why?

every Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated

with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean

deviation and then depending on the results you can conclude its

veracity.

Its my word as a computer scientist and astrologer that mere

disregard for something without adequate research , is not even worth

discussing.

 

Thanks

Amit Patnaik

 

vedic astrology, Mohan Jyotishi

<jyotishi231> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> Namaste,

> Vedic dharma is still alive only because of fearless

> people like you.

>

> The "fate" of running after "Vedic astrologers" is

> evident from the "destiny" being "enjoyed" by our

> neighbouring Hindu kingdom. The crwon prince there

> assasinated his father and mother -- the king and

> queen of that very kingdom, just because they did not

> allow him to marry his sweet heart! And why did the

> king and queen not let him do so? Because some

> "Vedic astrologers" there had indicated that the

> horoscope of the crown prince and his sweet heart did

> not match!

>

> The crown prince is said to have ultimately shot

> himself dead, which no "Vedic astrologer" there had

> predicted!

>

> I am sure you would not like Indian citizens also to

> face a similar dilemma as to whether they should marry

> their sweet hearts against the "sane advice" of "Vedic

> astrologers" or commit suicide to "marry their

> sweethearts" in the next janma!

>

> With your "seventy years' experience" you have to wake

> up the young as well as the old!

> Dhanyavad.

> Mohan Jyotishi

>

> > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > RAAGHAVAM

> > <munisevitham> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > through astrology.

> >

> > If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

> > Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is

> > true as per scripctures, I have no other option but

> > to

> > respect your sentiment .

> >

> > > That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

> > about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the

> > "magnificent" fate of that country for such a

> > "glorious" pastime!

> >

> > I agree , many a youthful brilliant students of

> > the

> > world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

> > capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in

> > the society are encaged in predictive

> > astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

> > unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

> > become less attentive towards their duties, family

> > and wards .

> >

> > Science mutes astrology :

> > Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

> > edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the

> > astrologers ( for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '

> > one eye on the soil and the other on the sky ' for

> > sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a

> > "Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives

> > many farming technics,at present the area resembles

> > a

> > delta region and the natives realised " work is to

> > worship" rather than running behind astrologers for

> > advices .

> >

> > My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for

> > the drop outs / retired from active life.

> >

> > I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.

> >

> > --- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

> > > square

> > > peg in a round hole!

> > >

> > > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like

> > > Mangal,

> > > Budha, Shani etc.

> > >

> > > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > > century

> > > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean

> > > tithi,

> > > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> > > nor

> > > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both

> > > inclusive!

> > > In other words, just the mention of Surya and

> > > Chandra

> > > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

> > ---

> > > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE

> > > --

> > > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,

> > > and

> > > that also the so called nirayana predictive

> > > astrology.

> > > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg

> > in

> > > a

> > > round hole, much against the very spriti of the

> > > Vedas

> > > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> > >

> > > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> > > has

> > > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> > >

> > > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> > > scriptures,

> > > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we

> > > may

> > > blow!

> > >

> > > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of

> > such

> > > hocus pocus!

> > >

> > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > against

> > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is

> > like

> > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into

> > future

> > > through astrology. That was actually a full time

> > job

> > > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country

> > for

> > > such a "glorious" pastime!

> > >

> > > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > > similar destiny!

> > >

> > > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the

> > "creator"

> > > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > > translation of which is doing the rounds these

> > days,

> > > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

> > Ayanamsha

> > > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus

> > you

> > > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > > edition does not agree with the other in any way!

> > > And

> > > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

> > > his

> > > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > > about Ayanamshas since he has made it

> > catagorically

> > > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti

> > > etc.!

> > >

> > > Dhanyavad.

> > > Mohan Jyotishi

> > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

> > > KARUNAAKARAM

> > > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > NaNamaste

> > > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > > Astrology,

> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > become

> > > > a

> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > > rests

> > > > with the list,you have given me an

> > opopportunityo

> > > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve

> > > the

> > > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > > being.

> > > >

> > > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > > >

> > > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any

> > work

> > > > on

> > > > astrology by

> > > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> > > of

> > > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand

> > > the

> > > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of

> >

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Namaste,

 

There is a dictum from Vedic astrology book called "Prashna Marga"

Where it's said if the girl and boy are in true love with each other

then the Kuta is called "shakti kuta" then horoscopes should not be

matched. Other than this you can refer Savitri's story, Shakuntala etc

and types of marraiges from Vedic books.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

vedic astrology, Mohan Jyotishi

<jyotishi231> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> Namaste,

> Vedic dharma is still alive only because of fearless

> people like you.

>

> The "fate" of running after "Vedic astrologers" is

> evident from the "destiny" being "enjoyed" by our

> neighbouring Hindu kingdom. The crwon prince there

> assasinated his father and mother -- the king and

> queen of that very kingdom, just because they did not

> allow him to marry his sweet heart! And why did the

> king and queen not let him do so? Because some

> "Vedic astrologers" there had indicated that the

> horoscope of the crown prince and his sweet heart did

> not match!

>

> The crown prince is said to have ultimately shot

> himself dead, which no "Vedic astrologer" there had

> predicted!

>

> I am sure you would not like Indian citizens also to

> face a similar dilemma as to whether they should marry

> their sweet hearts against the "sane advice" of "Vedic

> astrologers" or commit suicide to "marry their

> sweethearts" in the next janma!

>

> With your "seventy years' experience" you have to wake

> up the young as well as the old!

> Dhanyavad.

> Mohan Jyotishi

>

> > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > RAAGHAVAM

> > <munisevitham> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > through astrology.

> >

> > If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

> > Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is

> > true as per scripctures, I have no other option but

> > to

> > respect your sentiment .

> >

> > > That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

> > about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the

> > "magnificent" fate of that country for such a

> > "glorious" pastime!

> >

> > I agree , many a youthful brilliant students of

> > the

> > world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

> > capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in

> > the society are encaged in predictive

> > astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

> > unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

> > become less attentive towards their duties, family

> > and wards .

> >

> > Science mutes astrology :

> > Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

> > edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the

> > astrologers ( for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '

> > one eye on the soil and the other on the sky ' for

> > sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a

> > "Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives

> > many farming technics,at present the area resembles

> > a

> > delta region and the natives realised " work is to

> > worship" rather than running behind astrologers for

> > advices .

> >

> > My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for

> > the drop outs / retired from active life.

> >

> > I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.

> >

> > --- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

> > > square

> > > peg in a round hole!

> > >

> > > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like

> > > Mangal,

> > > Budha, Shani etc.

> > >

> > > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > > century

> > > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean

> > > tithi,

> > > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> > > nor

> > > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both

> > > inclusive!

> > > In other words, just the mention of Surya and

> > > Chandra

> > > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

> > ---

> > > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE

> > > --

> > > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,

> > > and

> > > that also the so called nirayana predictive

> > > astrology.

> > > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg

> > in

> > > a

> > > round hole, much against the very spriti of the

> > > Vedas

> > > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> > >

> > > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> > > has

> > > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> > >

> > > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> > > scriptures,

> > > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we

> > > may

> > > blow!

> > >

> > > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of

> > such

> > > hocus pocus!

> > >

> > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > against

> > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is

> > like

> > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into

> > future

> > > through astrology. That was actually a full time

> > job

> > > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country

> > for

> > > such a "glorious" pastime!

> > >

> > > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > > similar destiny!

> > >

> > > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the

> > "creator"

> > > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > > translation of which is doing the rounds these

> > days,

> > > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

> > Ayanamsha

> > > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus

> > you

> > > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > > edition does not agree with the other in any way!

> > > And

> > > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

> > > his

> > > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > > about Ayanamshas since he has made it

> > catagorically

> > > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti

> > > etc.!

> > >

> > > Dhanyavad.

> > > Mohan Jyotishi

> > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

> > > KARUNAAKARAM

> > > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > NaNamaste

> > > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > > Astrology,

> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > become

> > > > a

> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > > rests

> > > > with the list,you have given me an

> > opopportunityo

> > > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve

> > > the

> > > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > > being.

> > > >

> > > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > > >

> > > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any

> > work

> > > > on

> > > > astrology by

> > > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> > > of

> > > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand

> > > the

> > > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> http://farechase.

>

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All,

The traditional method of guna, kuta matching are all baseless and

redundant. even manglik, astkavarga, kalasrapa, most of the yogas,are

redundant with the classical approach.

 

Thanks

Amit

 

vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Namaste,

>

> There is a dictum from Vedic astrology book called "Prashna Marga"

> Where it's said if the girl and boy are in true love with each other

> then the Kuta is called "shakti kuta" then horoscopes should not be

> matched. Other than this you can refer Savitri's story, Shakuntala

etc

> and types of marraiges from Vedic books.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> vedic astrology, Mohan Jyotishi

> <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > Namaste,

> > Vedic dharma is still alive only because of fearless

> > people like you.

> >

> > The "fate" of running after "Vedic astrologers" is

> > evident from the "destiny" being "enjoyed" by our

> > neighbouring Hindu kingdom. The crwon prince there

> > assasinated his father and mother -- the king and

> > queen of that very kingdom, just because they did not

> > allow him to marry his sweet heart! And why did the

> > king and queen not let him do so? Because some

> > "Vedic astrologers" there had indicated that the

> > horoscope of the crown prince and his sweet heart did

> > not match!

> >

> > The crown prince is said to have ultimately shot

> > himself dead, which no "Vedic astrologer" there had

> > predicted!

> >

> > I am sure you would not like Indian citizens also to

> > face a similar dilemma as to whether they should marry

> > their sweet hearts against the "sane advice" of "Vedic

> > astrologers" or commit suicide to "marry their

> > sweethearts" in the next janma!

> >

> > With your "seventy years' experience" you have to wake

> > up the young as well as the old!

> > Dhanyavad.

> > Mohan Jyotishi

> >

> > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > > against

> > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > > through astrology.

> > >

> > > If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

> > > Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is

> > > true as per scripctures, I have no other option but

> > > to

> > > respect your sentiment .

> > >

> > > > That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

> > > about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the

> > > "magnificent" fate of that country for such a

> > > "glorious" pastime!

> > >

> > > I agree , many a youthful brilliant students of

> > > the

> > > world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

> > > capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in

> > > the society are encaged in predictive

> > > astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

> > > unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

> > > become less attentive towards their duties, family

> > > and wards .

> > >

> > > Science mutes astrology :

> > > Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

> > > edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the

> > > astrologers ( for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '

> > > one eye on the soil and the other on the sky ' for

> > > sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a

> > > "Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives

> > > many farming technics,at present the area resembles

> > > a

> > > delta region and the natives realised " work is to

> > > worship" rather than running behind astrologers for

> > > advices .

> > >

> > > My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for

> > > the drop outs / retired from active life.

> > >

> > > I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.

> > >

> > > --- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > > > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

> > > > square

> > > > peg in a round hole!

> > > >

> > > > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > > > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like

> > > > Mangal,

> > > > Budha, Shani etc.

> > > >

> > > > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > > > century

> > > > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean

> > > > tithi,

> > > > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > > > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> > > > nor

> > > > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both

> > > > inclusive!

> > > > In other words, just the mention of Surya and

> > > > Chandra

> > > > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > > > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

> > > ---

> > > > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE

> > > > --

> > > > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,

> > > > and

> > > > that also the so called nirayana predictive

> > > > astrology.

> > > > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > round hole, much against the very spriti of the

> > > > Vedas

> > > > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> > > >

> > > > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > > > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> > > > has

> > > > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > > > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> > > >

> > > > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > > > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > > > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > > > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > > > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > > > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > > > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > > > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> > > > scriptures,

> > > > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we

> > > > may

> > > > blow!

> > > >

> > > > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of

> > > such

> > > > hocus pocus!

> > > >

> > > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > > against

> > > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is

> > > like

> > > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into

> > > future

> > > > through astrology. That was actually a full time

> > > job

> > > > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > > > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country

> > > for

> > > > such a "glorious" pastime!

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > > > similar destiny!

> > > >

> > > > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the

> > > "creator"

> > > > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > > > translation of which is doing the rounds these

> > > days,

> > > > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > > > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

> > > Ayanamsha

> > > > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus

> > > you

> > > > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > > > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > > > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > > > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > > > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > > > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > > > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > > > edition does not agree with the other in any way!

> > > > And

> > > > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

> > > > his

> > > > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > > > about Ayanamshas since he has made it

> > > catagorically

> > > > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > > > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti

> > > > etc.!

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavad.

> > > > Mohan Jyotishi

> > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

> > > > KARUNAAKARAM

> > > > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > NaNamaste

> > > > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > > > Astrology,

> > > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > > become

> > > > > a

> > > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > > > rests

> > > > > with the list,you have given me an

> > > opopportunityo

> > > > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve

> > > > the

> > > > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > > > being.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any

> > > work

> > > > > on

> > > > > astrology by

> > > > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> > > > of

> > > > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand

> > > > the

> > > > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > http://farechase.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namaste ||

Namaste Amit,

 

> All,

> The traditional method of guna, kuta matching are all baseless and

> redundant. even manglik, astkavarga, kalasrapa, most of the yogas,are

> redundant with the classical approach.

 

 

Would A better way to put the same thing ("are all baseless") could be

"Have not understood them". This method is used traditionally by many

pundits and they have helped many couples in marriages. If you mix

Muhurtha techniques should be used Jataka after analysing the defects

in Jataka. If you are interested you can read my article in

forthcoming Jyotish Digest or refer my conference presentation.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

>

> Thanks

> Amit

>

> vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran"

> <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > There is a dictum from Vedic astrology book called "Prashna Marga"

> > Where it's said if the girl and boy are in true love with each other

> > then the Kuta is called "shakti kuta" then horoscopes should not be

> > matched. Other than this you can refer Savitri's story, Shakuntala

> etc

> > and types of marraiges from Vedic books.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > vedic astrology, Mohan Jyotishi

> > <jyotishi231> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > > Namaste,

> > > Vedic dharma is still alive only because of fearless

> > > people like you.

> > >

> > > The "fate" of running after "Vedic astrologers" is

> > > evident from the "destiny" being "enjoyed" by our

> > > neighbouring Hindu kingdom. The crwon prince there

> > > assasinated his father and mother -- the king and

> > > queen of that very kingdom, just because they did not

> > > allow him to marry his sweet heart! And why did the

> > > king and queen not let him do so? Because some

> > > "Vedic astrologers" there had indicated that the

> > > horoscope of the crown prince and his sweet heart did

> > > not match!

> > >

> > > The crown prince is said to have ultimately shot

> > > himself dead, which no "Vedic astrologer" there had

> > > predicted!

> > >

> > > I am sure you would not like Indian citizens also to

> > > face a similar dilemma as to whether they should marry

> > > their sweet hearts against the "sane advice" of "Vedic

> > > astrologers" or commit suicide to "marry their

> > > sweethearts" in the next janma!

> > >

> > > With your "seventy years' experience" you have to wake

> > > up the young as well as the old!

> > > Dhanyavad.

> > > Mohan Jyotishi

> > >

> > > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > > > against

> > > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > > > through astrology.

> > > >

> > > > If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

> > > > Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is

> > > > true as per scripctures, I have no other option but

> > > > to

> > > > respect your sentiment .

> > > >

> > > > > That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

> > > > about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the

> > > > "magnificent" fate of that country for such a

> > > > "glorious" pastime!

> > > >

> > > > I agree , many a youthful brilliant students of

> > > > the

> > > > world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

> > > > capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in

> > > > the society are encaged in predictive

> > > > astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

> > > > unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

> > > > become less attentive towards their duties, family

> > > > and wards .

> > > >

> > > > Science mutes astrology :

> > > > Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

> > > > edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the

> > > > astrologers ( for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '

> > > > one eye on the soil and the other on the sky ' for

> > > > sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a

> > > > "Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives

> > > > many farming technics,at present the area resembles

> > > > a

> > > > delta region and the natives realised " work is to

> > > > worship" rather than running behind astrologers for

> > > > advices .

> > > >

> > > > My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for

> > > > the drop outs / retired from active life.

> > > >

> > > > I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.

> > > >

> > > > --- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > > > > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

> > > > > square

> > > > > peg in a round hole!

> > > > >

> > > > > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > > > > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like

> > > > > Mangal,

> > > > > Budha, Shani etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > > > > century

> > > > > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean

> > > > > tithi,

> > > > > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > > > > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> > > > > nor

> > > > > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both

> > > > > inclusive!

> > > > > In other words, just the mention of Surya and

> > > > > Chandra

> > > > > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > > > > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

> > > > ---

> > > > > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE

> > > > > --

> > > > > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,

> > > > > and

> > > > > that also the so called nirayana predictive

> > > > > astrology.

> > > > > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > round hole, much against the very spriti of the

> > > > > Vedas

> > > > > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > > > > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> > > > > has

> > > > > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > > > > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> > > > >

> > > > > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > > > > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > > > > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > > > > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > > > > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > > > > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > > > > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > > > > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> > > > > scriptures,

> > > > > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we

> > > > > may

> > > > > blow!

> > > > >

> > > > > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of

> > > > such

> > > > > hocus pocus!

> > > > >

> > > > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > > > against

> > > > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is

> > > > like

> > > > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into

> > > > future

> > > > > through astrology. That was actually a full time

> > > > job

> > > > > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > > > > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country

> > > > for

> > > > > such a "glorious" pastime!

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > > > > similar destiny!

> > > > >

> > > > > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the

> > > > "creator"

> > > > > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > > > > translation of which is doing the rounds these

> > > > days,

> > > > > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > > > > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

> > > > Ayanamsha

> > > > > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus

> > > > you

> > > > > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > > > > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > > > > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > > > > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > > > > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > > > > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > > > > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > > > > edition does not agree with the other in any way!

> > > > > And

> > > > > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

> > > > > his

> > > > > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > > > > about Ayanamshas since he has made it

> > > > catagorically

> > > > > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > > > > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti

> > > > > etc.!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanyavad.

> > > > > Mohan Jyotishi

> > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology,

> > > > > KARUNAAKARAM

> > > > > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > > > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NaNamaste

> > > > > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > > > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > > > > Astrology,

> > > > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > > > become

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > > > > rests

> > > > > > with the list,you have given me an

> > > > opopportunityo

> > > > > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > > > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve

> > > > > the

> > > > > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > > > > being.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > > > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any

> > > > work

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > astrology by

> > > > > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > > http://farechase.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Amit

 

You asked weather predictions are not even accurate by 90%, yet it is

a science. Weahter prediction is basically done by a set of dynamical

and physcal equations. Those are formaulated based on natural laws of

fluid dynamics modified by planetary effects; such as earth's

rotation, earth's radiation, topography, vegetation ..... It is not

100% accurate yet because of the limitation of our knowledge in scale

interactions of different phenomena of nature ; e.g. the air-sea

interaction, cloud micro physics, vegetation and environmental efects

etc. Those understanding will need both field experiments as well as

computer simulations which will cost trillions of dollars. But the

science is growing and eventually will achive the goal.

 

In the predictions of weather and climate again it depends what you

wish to predict. A lay man will not be wrong to say that monsoon will

come to India every year. How it will menifest is a difficult question

and dependent on several factors some of which are known and some are

yet unknown.

 

Compare that with astrology. People may argue the role of dynamics and

physics in astrology - but is not that part taken care in astronomy?

Over the years people have tried to establish empirical relation based

on certain combinations of planets, stars and constellation of stars

(sometimes even not related to their actual positions in physical

space). This is not bad for prediictive purposes or using it for

predictive purposes. However, I will not consider it as a science.

Rather it is an art since it is highly subjective to individual's

ability to use empirical rules. For example. no where in those claimed

anacient literature that you will find a mention of the word

"computer". Yet modern jyotishi predict's a person's career, living

and name and fame related to his knowledge and ability in computer

science. In fact most modern jyotishi are dependent on computer.

 

Statistics is blind. I can correlate number of hurricanes to certain

qualities of US president. Or that matter, India's population with

Chinese ecoomic growth. Will that be a new science then?

 

If we think planets are affecting us, why a particular person is

affacted more than others even if he lives in the same locality. In

esence are we not trying to say that a planet/combination of planets

placed in astral space has differential influence on the same

location. People argue that people born on different times have

different mental qualities and hence they are affaceted differently

through their mental channels. Well, mental chanel can not

invite/avoid death. Other way round, twins born seconds appart living

in the same locality suffer/enjoy differently. How can we explain that?

 

Having said that, I have no prejudice against the practice of jyotshi.

However, instead of clinging to the rules of those claimed/unclaimed,

antique/modern books it is time to start thinking why those rules work

or does not work

 

Thanks

 

Saurav

 

 

>

> Try the Systems Approach to Astrology and compare the accuracy of

> its results, the observational science has received a huge impetus by

> the research of V.K Chaudhry the propounder of the system...you can

> Join Satva and Satva 101 for more information.

> Dismissal without experiments and mere conjecture is an un-

> intelligent ignorance of the delusioned soul. Mohan Jyotishi it

> better you do more research as to where the present "Vedic" astrology

> stands, if Issac Newtons laws of forces where applicable to Macro

> bodies and later not applicable to Micro bodies(quantum bodies)

> doesnt mean it isnt true.

> BHPS etc was the foundation of this science, research was needed to

> be done by us over centuries to progress the observations and bring

> in more accuracy , but instead it was blindly followed and thus there

> is so much confusion and dogma about astrology of the East.

> Present day Sages like V.K Chaudhry have taken the observations of

> Parashara, Jamini et al to another level of scientific approach and

> accuracy and brought it down as applicable to the present age.

> Weather predcitions are never even 90% accurate yet its a science why?

> every Theory is a hypothesis, every hypothesis has to be validated

> with experiments to bring in a statistical low level of mean

> deviation and then depending on the results you can conclude its

> veracity.

> Its my word as a computer scientist and astrologer that mere

> disregard for something without adequate research , is not even worth

> discussing.

>

> Thanks

> Amit Patnaik

>

> vedic astrology, Mohan Jyotishi

> <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > Namaste,

> > Vedic dharma is still alive only because of fearless

> > people like you.

> >

> > The "fate" of running after "Vedic astrologers" is

> > evident from the "destiny" being "enjoyed" by our

> > neighbouring Hindu kingdom. The crwon prince there

> > assasinated his father and mother -- the king and

> > queen of that very kingdom, just because they did not

> > allow him to marry his sweet heart! And why did the

> > king and queen not let him do so? Because some

> > "Vedic astrologers" there had indicated that the

> > horoscope of the crown prince and his sweet heart did

> > not match!

> >

> > The crown prince is said to have ultimately shot

> > himself dead, which no "Vedic astrologer" there had

> > predicted!

> >

> > I am sure you would not like Indian citizens also to

> > face a similar dilemma as to whether they should marry

> > their sweet hearts against the "sane advice" of "Vedic

> > astrologers" or commit suicide to "marry their

> > sweethearts" in the next janma!

> >

> > With your "seventy years' experience" you have to wake

> > up the young as well as the old!

> > Dhanyavad.

> > Mohan Jyotishi

> >

> > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > > against

> > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > > through astrology.

> > >

> > > If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

> > > Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is

> > > true as per scripctures, I have no other option but

> > > to

> > > respect your sentiment .

> > >

> > > > That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

> > > about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the

> > > "magnificent" fate of that country for such a

> > > "glorious" pastime!

> > >

> > > I agree , many a youthful brilliant students of

> > > the

> > > world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

> > > capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in

> > > the society are encaged in predictive

> > > astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

> > > unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

> > > become less attentive towards their duties, family

> > > and wards .

> > >

> > > Science mutes astrology :

> > > Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

> > > edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the

> > > astrologers ( for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '

> > > one eye on the soil and the other on the sky ' for

> > > sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a

> > > "Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives

> > > many farming technics,at present the area resembles

> > > a

> > > delta region and the natives realised " work is to

> > > worship" rather than running behind astrologers for

> > > advices .

> > >

> > > My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for

> > > the drop outs / retired from active life.

> > >

> > > I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.

> > >

> > > --- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > > > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

> > > > square

> > > > peg in a round hole!

> > > >

> > > > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > > > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like

> > > > Mangal,

> > > > Budha, Shani etc.

> > > >

> > > > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > > > century

> > > > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean

> > > > tithi,

> > > > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > > > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> > > > nor

> > > > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both

> > > > inclusive!

> > > > In other words, just the mention of Surya and

> > > > Chandra

> > > > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > > > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

> > > ---

> > > > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE

> > > > --

> > > > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,

> > > > and

> > > > that also the so called nirayana predictive

> > > > astrology.

> > > > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > round hole, much against the very spriti of the

> > > > Vedas

> > > > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> > > >

> > > > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > > > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> > > > has

> > > > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > > > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> > > >

> > > > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > > > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > > > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > > > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > > > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > > > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > > > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > > > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> > > > scriptures,

> > > > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we

> > > > may

> > > > blow!

> > > >

> > > > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of

> > > such

> > > > hocus pocus!

> > > >

> > > > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> > > against

> > > > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is

> > > like

> > > > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into

> > > future

> > > > through astrology. That was actually a full time

> > > job

> > > > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > > > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country

> > > for

> > > > such a "glorious" pastime!

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > > > similar destiny!

> > > >

> > > > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the

> > > "creator"

> > > > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > > > translation of which is doing the rounds these

> > > days,

> > > > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > > > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

> > > Ayanamsha

> > > > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus

> > > you

> > > > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > > > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > > > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > > > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > > > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > > > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > > > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > > > edition does not agree with the other in any way!

> > > > And

> > > > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

> > > > his

> > > > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > > > about Ayanamshas since he has made it

> > > catagorically

> > > > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > > > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti

> > > > etc.!

> > > >

> > > > Dhanyavad.

> > > > Mohan Jyotishi

> > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

> > > > KARUNAAKARAM

> > > > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > NaNamaste

> > > > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > > > Astrology,

> > > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > > become

> > > > > a

> > > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > > > rests

> > > > > with the list,you have given me an

> > > opopportunityo

> > > > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve

> > > > the

> > > > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > > > being.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any

> > > work

> > > > > on

> > > > > astrology by

> > > > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> > > > of

> > > > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand

> > > > the

> > > > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

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