Rasi and div charts (Manoj and Vijaydas) -Lagnas

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

I am also supportive of Sri Finn's openion "the aspects are only to

be used in the signs(Rashi) and each of the Shadvargas occupied by the

Ascendant are therefore projected into the natal chart (Rashi) from

which it is observed if one planet is aspecting all the six Lagna-

Rashis at the same time. It was normal practice to project Varga-

positions into the Rashi-chart this way. This can be observed in the

16th century nadis like Chandrakalanadi, Bhrigunadi, Dhruvanadi etc."

I would like to add that it is the practice followed in Kerala even

now, and that is why we are proud of our astrological heritage, and

often states that if you want to see astrology in its uncorrupted form

you should come to Kerala!

As even the single quote supplied by PVR stands refuted, we should

understand that the D-charts have nothing to do with the original

concept of Vargas. The Vargas are important but not the D-charts (or

call it Varga charts). In such yogas mentioned in BPHS all aspects

should be considered from natal Asc as Sri Finn points out. Vargas

helps us to mix and match the character and qualities of the 12 signs

and arrive at specific results. There is not even a single sloka that

supports the use of D-charts anywhere in classics.

I appreciate the sincerity of Sri Finn, Panditji and Pradeep in this

regard.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

Message: 11

Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:11:50 -0000

"vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep

Re: Rasi and div charts (Manoj and Vijaydas) -Lagnas

shadvargas

 

Namaste Panditji

 

Yes it is true.Also it will make more astrologers take a relook at

the basics.Let us hope for the best.

 

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

wrote:

>

> Namaste Vijaydas,

> It is good to see a jyotishi of the calibre and experience as

Finn Wandahl

> comment on this issue. It throws a new light on what we had

thought of

> divisions of rashi for some time now.

> ...

>

> On 10/26/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> > Dear shri Finn

> >

> > It is great to see this mail and explanation.Me too have similar

> > understanding.But your explanation has more validity due to

> > experience and Nadi references.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > , Finn Wandahl <wandahl@p...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > It seems there is some discussion about sloka 13 in the

> > chapter on Raja

> > > Yogas in BPHS. This is how I think it should be interpreted:

> > >

> > > Sloka 13: "If the Shadvargas of the Lagna are occupied or

aspected

> > by one and

> > > the same planet a Raja Yoga is formed."

> > >

> > > As I read this, the aspects are only to be used in the signs

> > (Rashi) and

> > > each of the Shadvargas occupied by the Ascendant are therefore

> > projected into

> > > the natal chart (Rashi) from which it is observed if one

planet is

> > aspecting

> > > all the six Lagna-Rashis at the same time.

> > > It was normal practice to project Varga-positions into the

> > Rashi-chart

> > > this way. This can be observed in the 16th century nadis like

> > Chandrakalanadi,

> > > Bhrigunadi, Dhruvanadi etc.

> > > The previous sloka (sl. 12) gives a somewhat similar kind of

> > Raja Yoga

> > > based on the Ascendant, Hora Lagna and Ghatika Lagna being

> > aspected by one and

> > > the same planet. Here we are also dealing with different kinds

of

> > Lagnas

> > > aspected by the same planet in the Rashi Chart.

> > >

> > > Finn

> > >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear respected members

> > >

> > > In the past, ''Church'' had a belief that ''Earth is Flat''.It

was

> > > difficult to prove ''Earth is round'',due to obvious reasons.

> > >

> > > In Saravali( a very detailed text),Kalyan Varma has given

hundreds

> > > of examples on how to study vargas.Saptamsha example(posted in

> > > Jyotish group site), clearly shows where a house has to be

counted

> > > and how a planet's saptamsha is to be studied.BPHS translator

> > > himself had failed to understand the single shloka,which we are

> > > referring to as proof.

> > >

> > > Are we prepared to address the basic query - ''How can 2

planets,

> > > placed 15 degrees apart,cast full (1/7th),aspect''.If we

attempt

> > > this simple question we will understand -BPHS,Kalyan

> > > Varma,D.V.SubbuRao,Santhanam etc and numerous local traditional

> > > astrologers regarding the debated topic.

> > >

> > > Those who are selective in accepting questions(only comfortable

> > ones)

> > > may kindly ignore this mail.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste friends,

> > > >

> > > > So it seems to be time now for the customary "divisional

chart"

> > > debate on ! This debate keeps coming up again and

> > again

> > > on every Jyotish related list.

> > > >

> > > > There are clear and explicit quotes in BPHS on houses in

navamsa

> > > and trimsamsa. There is a raja yoga mentioned based on the same

> > > planet occupying or aspecting lagna in all the six divisional

> > charts

> > > of shadvarga group. Thus, houses and aspects in divisional

charts

> > > have a sanction from Parasara. Moreover, the very fact that

> > Parasara

> > > talked about divisional charts before mentioning houses,

aspects

> > etc

> > > implies that all those apply to rasi as well as other

divisions.

> > > >

> > > > However, some people seem to prefer to ignore these things

and

> > > shout from rooftops that finding houses and aspects in

divisions

> > is

> > > against Parasara's teachings. Ironically, some people who do

use

> > > houses and aspects in navamsa chart seem to support this view

> > w.r.t.

> > > other divisional charts. God knows why they use one rule for

> > navamsa

> > > and another for other divisional charts.

> > > >

> > > > As long as there are nine planets, there will be all kinds of

> > > people with all kinds of views and agendas. After several

days, I

> > > have a few minutes of time today to write one post. So let me

> > spend

> > > those few minutes on something more productive than debating

with

> > > them.

> > > >

> > > > > What has always occurred to me when reading BPHS, apart

from

> > the

> > > > > need to carefully discern the translators notes and ideas,

and

> > > how

> > > > > these might potentially introduce a bias in the translation

> > and

> > > > > interpretation, is the lack of application specifically

> > nowadays

> > > of

> > > > > the use of the ruling deities in all the books I have read

> > which

> > > say

> > > > > they are derived from the classical texts.

> > > >

> > > > The ruling deities of the amsas are IMHO vital in judging

> > > divisional charts. For example, the same planet in the 10th

house

> > in

> > > dasamsa can show different careers based on the ruling deity. I

> > > still need to understand the use of ruling deities in some

> > > divisions, but I am comfortable with my understanding in some

> > > divisions. An example is dasamsa. The rulers of the ten

directions

> > > (Indra, Agni, Yama etc) get rulership over the ten dasamsas in

a

> > > sign. I use them heavily in my dasamsa readings.

> > > >

> > > > Some of my understanding of the dasamsa ruling deities was

> > shared

> > > in my free Jyotish lessons (link below). Anybody interested in

the

> > > dasamsa ruling deities is welcome to use the mp3 recordings of

my

> > > lessons.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > On a separate note, there were several homas this weekend at

the

> > > Sri Lakshmi temple in Ashland (near Boston). It was a blissful

> > > weekend. The Navagraha Homam on Saturday morning was

particularly

> > > excellent. At the Poornahuti time, there was a very bright

fire.

> > It

> > > suddenly became unbelievably hot for a few seconds. I have seen

> > many

> > > homas with an even bigger fire, but I never felt THAT kind of

> > heat.

> > > Even at the Chandi Homam on the previous night, fire was bigger

> > but

> > > not as hot at all. I mean, there is no comparison. I never felt

> > that

> > > kind of heat near any fire in any homam in my entire life. Not

> > just

> > > me, everyone standing next to fire found it unbelievably hot

for a

> > > few seconds. It was so hot that we all just took a step back

> > > involuntarily. Also, one of the pictures of the fire from that

> > time

> > > looks a bit like Sun riding a chariot of horses. We believe

that

> > Sun

> > > god actually came in the fire at the time of Poornahuti.

> > > >

> > > > The whole weekend was actually quite blissful. The rituals

were

> > > conducted by priests headed by Swami Sadasiva Sivachariar, head

> > > priest of Kalikambal temple at Chennai. All the experiences

show

> > > that it is actually possible to get the gods in fire when a

homam

> > is

> > > done sincerely.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

[Guest guest]

vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh ji,

>

> You talked about "Kerala Proud" & i remembered that proud has become

so much that many of abroad living Kerala brothers likes to call

themselves as NRK instead of NRI.

 

 

Kerala has the highest literacy in India, not least because all their

illiterates are in the Gulf )

 

Hey, can we start an ol' fashioned name-calling flame? Nothing like a

bit of noise to shift the focus back on silence

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh

 

Thanks for your support as you are well read in classics.

 

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I am also supportive of Sri Finn's openion "the aspects are only to

> be used in the signs(Rashi) and each of the Shadvargas occupied by the

> Ascendant are therefore projected into the natal chart (Rashi) from

> which it is observed if one planet is aspecting all the six Lagna-

> Rashis at the same time. It was normal practice to project Varga-

> positions into the Rashi-chart this way. This can be observed in the

> 16th century nadis like Chandrakalanadi, Bhrigunadi, Dhruvanadi etc."

> I would like to add that it is the practice followed in Kerala even

> now, and that is why we are proud of our astrological heritage, and

> often states that if you want to see astrology in its uncorrupted form

> you should come to Kerala!

> As even the single quote supplied by PVR stands refuted, we should

> understand that the D-charts have nothing to do with the original

> concept of Vargas. The Vargas are important but not the D-charts (or

> call it Varga charts). In such yogas mentioned in BPHS all aspects

> should be considered from natal Asc as Sri Finn points out. Vargas

> helps us to mix and match the character and qualities of the 12 signs

> and arrive at specific results. There is not even a single sloka that

> supports the use of D-charts anywhere in classics.

> I appreciate the sincerity of Sri Finn, Panditji and Pradeep in this

> regard.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> Message: 11

> Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:11:50 -0000

> "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep>

> Re: Rasi and div charts (Manoj and Vijaydas) -Lagnas

> shadvargas

>

> Namaste Panditji

>

> Yes it is true.Also it will make more astrologers take a relook at

> the basics.Let us hope for the best.

>

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Vijaydas,

> > It is good to see a jyotishi of the calibre and experience as

> Finn Wandahl

> > comment on this issue. It throws a new light on what we had

> thought of

> > divisions of rashi for some time now.

> > ...

> >

> > On 10/26/05, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear shri Finn

> > >

> > > It is great to see this mail and explanation.Me too have similar

> > > understanding.But your explanation has more validity due to

> > > experience and Nadi references.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> > > , Finn Wandahl <wandahl@p...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It seems there is some discussion about sloka 13 in the

> > > chapter on Raja

> > > > Yogas in BPHS. This is how I think it should be interpreted:

> > > >

> > > > Sloka 13: "If the Shadvargas of the Lagna are occupied or

> aspected

> > > by one and

> > > > the same planet a Raja Yoga is formed."

> > > >

> > > > As I read this, the aspects are only to be used in the signs

> > > (Rashi) and

> > > > each of the Shadvargas occupied by the Ascendant are therefore

> > > projected into

> > > > the natal chart (Rashi) from which it is observed if one

> planet is

> > > aspecting

> > > > all the six Lagna-Rashis at the same time.

> > > > It was normal practice to project Varga-positions into the

> > > Rashi-chart

> > > > this way. This can be observed in the 16th century nadis like

> > > Chandrakalanadi,

> > > > Bhrigunadi, Dhruvanadi etc.

> > > > The previous sloka (sl. 12) gives a somewhat similar kind of

> > > Raja Yoga

> > > > based on the Ascendant, Hora Lagna and Ghatika Lagna being

> > > aspected by one and

> > > > the same planet. Here we are also dealing with different kinds

> of

> > > Lagnas

> > > > aspected by the same planet in the Rashi Chart.

> > > >

> > > > Finn

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear respected members

> > > >

> > > > In the past, ''Church'' had a belief that ''Earth is Flat''.It

> was

> > > > difficult to prove ''Earth is round'',due to obvious reasons.

> > > >

> > > > In Saravali( a very detailed text),Kalyan Varma has given

> hundreds

> > > > of examples on how to study vargas.Saptamsha example(posted in

> > > > Jyotish group site), clearly shows where a house has to be

> counted

> > > > and how a planet's saptamsha is to be studied.BPHS translator

> > > > himself had failed to understand the single shloka,which we are

> > > > referring to as proof.

> > > >

> > > > Are we prepared to address the basic query - ''How can 2

> planets,

> > > > placed 15 degrees apart,cast full (1/7th),aspect''.If we

> attempt

> > > > this simple question we will understand -BPHS,Kalyan

> > > > Varma,D.V.SubbuRao,Santhanam etc and numerous local traditional

> > > > astrologers regarding the debated topic.

> > > >

> > > > Those who are selective in accepting questions(only comfortable

> > > ones)

> > > > may kindly ignore this mail.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> > > > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > So it seems to be time now for the customary "divisional

> chart"

> > > > debate on ! This debate keeps coming up again and

> > > again

> > > > on every Jyotish related list.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are clear and explicit quotes in BPHS on houses in

> navamsa

> > > > and trimsamsa. There is a raja yoga mentioned based on the same

> > > > planet occupying or aspecting lagna in all the six divisional

> > > charts

> > > > of shadvarga group. Thus, houses and aspects in divisional

> charts

> > > > have a sanction from Parasara. Moreover, the very fact that

> > > Parasara

> > > > talked about divisional charts before mentioning houses,

> aspects

> > > etc

> > > > implies that all those apply to rasi as well as other

> divisions.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, some people seem to prefer to ignore these things

> and

> > > > shout from rooftops that finding houses and aspects in

> divisions

> > > is

> > > > against Parasara's teachings. Ironically, some people who do

> use

> > > > houses and aspects in navamsa chart seem to support this view

> > > w.r.t.

> > > > other divisional charts. God knows why they use one rule for

> > > navamsa

> > > > and another for other divisional charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > As long as there are nine planets, there will be all kinds of

> > > > people with all kinds of views and agendas. After several

> days, I

> > > > have a few minutes of time today to write one post. So let me

> > > spend

> > > > those few minutes on something more productive than debating

> with

> > > > them.

> > > > >

> > > > > > What has always occurred to me when reading BPHS, apart

> from

> > > the

> > > > > > need to carefully discern the translators notes and ideas,

> and

> > > > how

> > > > > > these might potentially introduce a bias in the translation

> > > and

> > > > > > interpretation, is the lack of application specifically

> > > nowadays

> > > > of

> > > > > > the use of the ruling deities in all the books I have read

> > > which

> > > > say

> > > > > > they are derived from the classical texts.

> > > > >

> > > > > The ruling deities of the amsas are IMHO vital in judging

> > > > divisional charts. For example, the same planet in the 10th

> house

> > > in

> > > > dasamsa can show different careers based on the ruling deity. I

> > > > still need to understand the use of ruling deities in some

> > > > divisions, but I am comfortable with my understanding in some

> > > > divisions. An example is dasamsa. The rulers of the ten

> directions

> > > > (Indra, Agni, Yama etc) get rulership over the ten dasamsas in

> a

> > > > sign. I use them heavily in my dasamsa readings.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of my understanding of the dasamsa ruling deities was

> > > shared

> > > > in my free Jyotish lessons (link below). Anybody interested in

> the

> > > > dasamsa ruling deities is welcome to use the mp3 recordings of

> my

> > > > lessons.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > On a separate note, there were several homas this weekend at

> the

> > > > Sri Lakshmi temple in Ashland (near Boston). It was a blissful

> > > > weekend. The Navagraha Homam on Saturday morning was

> particularly

> > > > excellent. At the Poornahuti time, there was a very bright

> fire.

> > > It

> > > > suddenly became unbelievably hot for a few seconds. I have seen

> > > many

> > > > homas with an even bigger fire, but I never felt THAT kind of

> > > heat.

> > > > Even at the Chandi Homam on the previous night, fire was bigger

> > > but

> > > > not as hot at all. I mean, there is no comparison. I never felt

> > > that

> > > > kind of heat near any fire in any homam in my entire life. Not

> > > just

> > > > me, everyone standing next to fire found it unbelievably hot

> for a

> > > > few seconds. It was so hot that we all just took a step back

> > > > involuntarily. Also, one of the pictures of the fire from that

> > > time

> > > > looks a bit like Sun riding a chariot of horses. We believe

> that

> > > Sun

> > > > god actually came in the fire at the time of Poornahuti.

> > > > >

> > > > > The whole weekend was actually quite blissful. The rituals

> were

> > > > conducted by priests headed by Swami Sadasiva Sivachariar, head

> > > > priest of Kalikambal temple at Chennai. All the experiences

> show

> > > > that it is actually possible to get the gods in fire when a

> homam

> > > is

> > > > done sincerely.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > Narasimha

>

[Guest guest]

Dear vernalagnia ji,

A bit of fun is good tonic for health! Thak you.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

Message: 8

Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:27:29 -0000

"vernalagnia" <vernalagnia

Re: Rasi and div charts (Manoj and Vijaydas) -Lagnas

 

vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh ji,

>

> You talked about "Kerala Proud" & i remembered that proud has become

so much that many of abroad living Kerala brothers likes to call

themselves as NRK instead of NRI.

 

 

Kerala has the highest literacy in India, not least because all their

illiterates are in the Gulf )

 

Hey, can we start an ol' fashioned name-calling flame? Nothing like a

bit of noise to shift the focus back on silence