BHPS the bible of astrology - Let the Pundits talk.

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Hi kurla- gunda and others !

 

This discussion is a blessing in disguise, one can

masure himself whether he is a students of vedic

tradition and prise worthy to say that 'he is an

Vedic- Hindu' ? Please try the simple test proposed in

the following

URL.http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/quiz/popquiz.htm and

satisfy .

 

SPECIFICALLY FOR KURLA-GUNDA:

The sounds made by the 'frogs in the well' seem to get

momentary success, which shell not pass before the

knowledgeable " Sarabeswar " who create real tremors.

......

You are fixing targets for each of your centres to

hijack few every year to market your " mumbo jumbo

Garbage",but proclaim publicly as '' not pleading to

any one to waste their times lolling'' .....

 

You taught Guru sishyas to say your system could

predict very accurately even for twin births,you as

Paramartha Guru say that vedic-Astrology is capable of

predicting for 45 million types of horoscopes

only,Where as the world population is more than 6

Billion.

(U.S.Census Bureau declares the world population is

around 6,475,226,804 ).Now you decide where you stand

with your Bible BHPS.

 

Let the Pundits talk ! tails look for "scavenging" .

 

--- Rampaul Verma <rampaulman wrote:

 

> this line of discussion is wonderful

> but even if we know about tomorrow how much we can

> change it and should we

> keep on changing it till death hit

> my point is it is logical to believe that

> astrological prediction posible but

> we should be satisfied that it indicate the

> direction the individual take in this present life

> just like siddartha life was predicted he will be

> great sage.

> ram

>

> Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Sreenadh,

> It is a pleasure to see the logical reasoning behind

> your presetation. It is the real way of an academic

> discussion!

>

> Now my answers:

> I must make it very clear at the outset that these

> discussions are to thrash out the points whether

> there

> is predictive astrology in the Vedas or not, and it

> has nothing to do with what Mohan or Sreenadh

> thinks!

> Either there is predictive astrology in them or

> there

> is not---that is the point of discussion.

>

> Now about BPHS:

> I have all the three editions of BPHS avaialble in

> Northern India viz the original Sitaram Jha edition,

> the Nirnay Sagar Press Edition and the English

> translation edition.

>

> But before discussing their merits or demerits, let

> us

> discuss Brihat Jatakam and Brihat Samhita first:

>

> 1. Varahamihira has not said anywhere that he is

> following any Vedic system of predictions. This is

> a

> point worth pondering over sicne every scholar in

> the

> earlier ages harked to the Vedas for thier guidance

> and enlightenment of a subject if the Vedas had any

> thing to do with that subject.

>

> 2. Varahamihira has paid fulsome tributes to

> Yavanas

> whom he himself calls mlechhas to the extent that he

> wants them to be worshipped like Rishis! He is very

> catagorical that "this (jyotish shastra of

> predictive

> astrology as well as calculations) is established in

> them (the Yavanas) thoroughly". in Chapter seven,

> verse 1, he has listed his predecessor astrologers

> as

> "Maya, Yavana, Manitha " then in the same verse he

> says "Shakti Purvair". From this, it is evident

> that

> there was a glut of Greek astrologers prior to

> Varahamihira and the meaning of this verse is clear

> that they were all predecessors to "Shakti" i.e.

> Parashara! It also means that Varahamihira is not

> referring to Sage Parashara since Varahamihira

> should

> have known that if Veda-Vyasa was supposed to have

> existed in Dwapara Yuga, his father could not have

> succeeded him after the advent of Greeks into India!

>

> Even if we take it as a "grammatical error" or an

> "oversight" on the part of Varahamihira, why did he

> not make the verse start from Parashara and then

> extoll Maya, Yavana and Manitha and so on! You do

> not

> list a person last of all if you have respect for

> him

> but on the other hand you pay tribute to him before

> anybody else! It is thus clear that Varahamihira

> was

> more indebted to "Maya, Yavana and Manitha" than to

> Parashara!

>

> Thus it is possible that there might have been some

> work by some "Shakti-Parashara" who could have been

> of

> Parashara gotra or with Parashara sirname, but it

> certainly could not have been the Sage Parashara,

> the

> way Varahamihira has shown disrespect to him and

> extolled Yavanas! Varahamihira has referred to

> quite

> a few other astroloers also like Garga, Satyacharya,

> Vishnugupta and Jeevsharma etc. but nobody is

> certain

> as to what works they had compiled and how

> independent

> of Greek influence they were.

>

> 3. If this "Parashari" was not available at the time

> of Bhatotpala, it means it was not a prominent work

> even at that time, much less the "bible" of

> astrologers as otherwise it certainly could not have

> gone underground!

> Bhatotpala also has made it very clear that Yavana

> Jataka was avialable in his time!

>

> 4. The second most surprising question is that if

> Parashari had been of sage Parashara and if there

> had

> been predictive astrology in the same way it is

> being

> presented these days in the name of Parashari,

> Varahamihira would certainly not have referred to

> Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rahsis by their Greek names like

> Kriya, Taburi,Jituma,Kulira,Leya, Pathona, Juka,

> Karupa, Tauksika, Akokara,Hrdroga,Antyabhya!

> Similarly, Dreshkan, Panphar, Apoklima, kendra etc.

> etc. are all Greek words. Thus if any Indian system

> of astrology was prevailing at the time of

> Varahamihira, why did he have to take recourse to

> all

> these Greek words?

>

> And as everybody knows, these very yogas and words

> like apoklima etc. appear in almost all the versions

> of Parashari available in the market today!

> 5. We find Vimshottari Dasha in all the versions of

> BPHS and surprisingly it is conspicuous by its

> absence

> in Varahamihira's works! Nor has he referred to any

> ohter system of Dasha-bhuktis of Parashara having

> been

> prevailing at his time. He has referred to

> Jivsharma

> etc. for calculating Ayurdaya but nowehere to

> Parashara!

>

> Thus a question arises that if simple ways of

> delineating results by Vimshottari or Ashtottari or

> Yogini etc. had been enunciated by Parashara prior

> to

> Varahamihira, why did the latter not take them as it

> is and why did he have to give elaborate and

> cumbersome calculatons for calculating the same?

>

> It is clear from these facts that the BHPS we are

> having today is not even a ghostly version of the

> original "Parashari".

>

> 6. Alberuni has devoted a lot of attention to Indian

> astrology and astronomy but he has just made a

> passing

> reference to Parashara's astrological work. Though

> whenever Alberuni has referred to Sage parashara, he

> has qualified his statment with words like

> "Parashara,

> the father of Veda Vyasa" but in the case of

> Parashara's book on astrology, he has not done

> anything like that!

>

> 7. Varahamihira in his Brihat Samhita, chapter

> 11,has

> clubbed Parshara with "Gargi, Asit,Devala and

> several

> others" which means that the astrologer Parashara

> did

> not wield any respectful position as compared to

> others. If it had been the sage Parashara who had

> written Parashari, it could never been have that

> disrpesct for him. Besides, in the Samhita,

> Varahamihira appears to be referring to Parshara

> Samhita, which was also available at Bhatotpala's

> time.

>

> 8. This is what the English translator of current

> BPHS

> has said on page 11:

> "After scrutinizing critcally the four manuscripts

> (viz. Venkateshwara Press, 2 Sitaram Jha edition, 3

> Devachandra Jha edition and Hindi translation of

> Ganesha Datta"... Then on the same page he says,

> "Other versions that I have come across are: 1.

> Tamil

> translation by C.G. Rajan - for only 36 chapters,

> without Sanskrit verses

> 2. English trnslation by N. N. K.Rao for only 25

> chapters without Sanskrit slokas".

> It measn he also was not aware of any other edition

> either on palm leaves or in any other form available

> in any library.

> Now that you say there is a manuscript available in

> Sarsswati Library of Tamil Nadu, I suggest that

> those

> interested in the real BPHS should approach that

> library and have it published/printed without delay.

>

> This will give every reader/astrologer a chance to

> see

>

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