RE: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4

October 28, 2005

The debate between you is exemplary with exchange of knowledge rather than

recrimination/ridicule etc;Please continue so and enlighten others .Hope other

knowledgeable will guide these and help to reach worthy conclusions soon ,as

the topic has been one of the most baffling aspect for many with the way the

logic involved of the planets distribution in different divisionals/vargas and

their import.

It has been said by some traditional pundits of astrology (perhaps from

classics) that most of the yogas should be studied from natal chart only unless

otherwise stated and the strength/fructification time in a deeper sense of the

said yogas can be studied with the help of divisional/varga which're designed

symbolically representing the above factors of strength/time of

fructification.The divisionals indirectly represent the placement in nakshatras

and their effects;So different authorities has taken (aparently) different paths

which differed on symbolism but not on core principles.It's like (analogically)

light energy transmission in wave form or packets form but the applicative/and

end result being same.

Another innocent baffler is the moon being placed in scorpio(debilitaion sign)

means that all people of vishaka-4/anuradha/jyesta will have moon(kaarakatwas)

associated problems to their life?How can it be?There comes the divisionasl

help...

"vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep >

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[vedic astrology] Re: Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha - 4Date:

Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:26:51 -0000Now we will discuss the rajayoga4)Raja Yoga

ShlokaIf the shadvargas of Lagna is having or is aspected by a single

planet,Rajayoga results.Based on the quality of aspect,degree of Rajayoga

varies.Shadvargas of Lagna can be a single sign or different.These signs

represent the varying influences of our Natal lagna.Classical astrologers used

the term -Amshaka Rashi -which means,Lagna is having Amshaka(navamsha) in that

particular sign. Now why do a single planet aspecting shadvargas of Lagna

,grant Rajayoga. Lagna represent us.Shadvargas of Lagna represent the signs

which are being infleunced by our lagna for various matters.These signs are

functionally responsible for such respective matters.Now if a single planet has

full aspect on all such signs - We are influenced by a similar force for various

matters.In simple terms a good powerful friend(when the planet concerned is so)

is helping us in various

matters(Studies/Sports/Music/Administartion/Family).Can we enjoy

Rajayoga?Narasimha ji we have seen hundreds of examples from Kalyan Varma on

how to use a varga.Still you are sticking on to technical points.I am only

happy to attempt any of your further questions.ThanksPradeep--- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>>

Dear Pradeep,> > I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand.> > If

Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries (respectively), I take them

to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and I take them to aspect each other.> >

You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact that they are

in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of the physical placement

(rasi chart). You say that they are still at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and

hence 20 deg apart. So you questioned how two planets apart by 20 deg can

aspect each other.> > Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They

are 20 deg apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But

let us leave that aside and accept your view for a moment.> > Now, the

interesting thing is that you and Finn said that the correct way to judge a

division is to project its lagna onto the rasi chart and judge houses from it

and aspects on it in rasi chart, using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not

misrepresenting you.> > Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let

me elaborate.> > Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg

Gemini. Lagna in navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi chart and say

that "navamsa lagna" is in Libra in rasi chart. You say that Jupiter at 18 deg

in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I hope I am not misrepresenting you.)> >

However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries physically (using the same argument you

used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at 56 deg from it. How can he aspect it?> >

Thus, when you are projecting navamsa lagna from Li in navamsa to Li in rasi,

you are ignoring the fact that lagna is not physically in Li and treating as

Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in

the above example from Ar and Li in navamsa to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say

that they aspect each other? I'll call them "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa

Jupiter" and project them onto Ar and Li of rasi chart (just as you projected

"navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the latter example) and say that they

aspect each other.> > * * *> > > Is this transformed space your

personal view or based on any > > classical reference.> > To answer your

question directly, it is not a view but a deduction.> > Libra covers 180

deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in the 7th navamsa of Aries was mapped to

Libra by Parasara. In other words, a planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of

the zodiac is mapped to 180 deg-210 of the zodiac. The way to understand it is

to look at as a transformation. A tranformation can map the same space onto

itself. We can take a space X and find a map f that maps X onto X. Navamsa

transformation and dasamsa transformation are essentially such maps of zodiac

onto the same zodiac.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha>

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-------------------------------> > > > Dear

Pradeep,> > > > > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times.> > > > > >

Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may be 20 > > > deg

apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg > > apart > > > in

the transformed navamsa space. > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > Is this

transformed space your personal view or based on any > > classical

reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are two > > zodiacs - one in

order and other not'' .Thus i would like to know > > your view as well as SJC

view ,so that people will not get confused.> > > > I know only about one

zodiac,12 signs and divisions of individual > > signs as advised by sage and

there is no confusion at all.> > > > As per your understanding is there a

''transformed space'' for > > nakshathra padas or are they physically present

within a rashi!!!.> > (It equals one navamsha).> > Vargas show the relationship

one planet is having with different > > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a

rashi.Kalyan Varma has given > > clear examples regarding physique for each

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October 28, 2005

It is confusion everywhere. Some Jyotsi says there was no Parasara Hora, some

claims Rasi and some says only Varga. How come the experts speak so

incoherently? All qualified people, very intelligent people who have shown

their excellence in modern scientific sphere and talking like blind men who

have gone to see the elephant. What can be more funny?

What is fundamental in astrology? Planetary positions or their derivatives? What

is more important - actual date of birth or annual birth day?

In science, a spurious text book will be identified and weeded out immediately.

Whatever a text book may contradict, two teachers of Physics won't contradict

the Newton's laws. But here the qualified astrologers are in conflict over

fundamental things.

Shall astrology come out of all these uncertainties? Are these uncertainties a

product of astrology itself or of the minds of astrologers?

chandra sekhar

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Now we will discuss the rajayoga4)Raja Yoga ShlokaIf the shadvargas of Lagna is

having or is aspected by a single planet,Rajayoga results.Based on the quality

of aspect,degree of Rajayoga varies.Shadvargas of Lagna can be a single sign or

different.These signs represent the varying influences of our Natal

lagna.Classical astrologers used the term -Amshaka Rashi -which means,Lagna is

having Amshaka(navamsha) in that particular sign. Now why do a single planet

aspecting shadvargas of Lagna ,grant Rajayoga. Lagna represent us.Shadvargas

of Lagna represent the signs which are being infleunced by our lagna for

various matters.These signs are functionally responsible for such respective

matters.Now if a single planet has full aspect on all such signs - We are

influenced by a similar force for various matters.In simple

terms a good powerful friend(when the planet concerned is so) is helping us in

various matters(Studies/Sports/Music/Administartion/Family).Can we enjoy

Rajayoga?Narasimha ji we have seen hundreds of examples from Kalyan Varma on

how to use a varga.Still you are sticking on to technical points.I am only

happy to attempt any of your further questions.ThanksPradeep--- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:>>

Dear Pradeep,> > I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand.> > If

Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries (respectively), I take them

to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and I take them to aspect each other.> >

You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact that they are

in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of the physical placement

(rasi

chart). You say that they are still at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and hence 20

deg apart. So you questioned how two planets apart by 20 deg can aspect each

other.> > Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They are 20 deg

apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But let us

leave that aside and accept your view for a moment.> > Now, the interesting

thing is that you and Finn said that the correct way to judge a division is to

project its lagna onto the rasi chart and judge houses from it and aspects on

it in rasi chart, using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not misrepresenting

you.> > Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let me elaborate.>

> Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg Gemini. Lagna in

navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi chart and say that "navamsa

lagna" is in Libra in

rasi chart. You say that Jupiter at 18 deg in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I

hope I am not misrepresenting you.)> > However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries

physically (using the same argument you used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at

56 deg from it. How can he aspect it?> > Thus, when you are projecting navamsa

lagna from Li in navamsa to Li in rasi, you are ignoring the fact that lagna is

not physically in Li and treating as Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and

Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in the above example from Ar and Li in navamsa

to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say that they aspect each other? I'll call them

"navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" and project them onto Ar and Li of rasi

chart (just as you projected "navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the

latter example) and say that they aspect each other.> > *

* *> > > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any >

> classical reference.> > To answer your question directly, it is not a view

but a deduction.> > Libra covers 180 deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in

the 7th navamsa of Aries was mapped to Libra by Parasara. In other words, a

planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of the zodiac is mapped to 180 deg-210

of the zodiac. The way to understand it is to look at as a transformation. A

tranformation can map the same space onto itself. We can take a space X and

find a map f that maps X onto X. Navamsa transformation and dasamsa

transformation are essentially such maps of zodiac onto the same zodiac.> >

May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha>

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(MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows):

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-------------------------------> > > > Dear

Pradeep,> > > > > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times.> > > > > >

Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may be 20 > > > deg

apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg > > apart > > > in

the transformed navamsa space. > > > > Dear Narasimha ji> > > > Is this

transformed space your personal view or based on any > > classical

reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once

replied ''there are two > > zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would

like to know > > your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get

confused.> > > > I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of

individual > > signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all.> > >

> As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for > > nakshathra

padas or are they physically present within a rashi!!!.> > (It equals one

navamsha).> > Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different

> > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has given > >

clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a rashi.> > > >

Thanks> > Pradeep>Do You

?

October 28, 2005

You seems to be too critical in your judgement. Astrology is NOT Science as the

defination & belief of modern science goes (at least i would not call it).

Jyotisha is a "Subject" which also includes "features" which are beyond all

the scientific logics.

why are you getting confused when ample amount of charts you can find around to

"test" the controversies. as regarding discussion on Varga & other things, let

it go on as it'll be "Yaavachandradiwakro"

best regards,

UtpalChandra Sekhar <chandra_sekhar1970 > wrote:

Dear friends,