Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about Vedic astrology!

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Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

"Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a square

peg in a round hole!

 

The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,

Budha, Shani etc.

 

"Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century

BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,

nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis nor

to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!

In other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra

is there, which means there was no predictive

astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE ---

Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --

in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and

that also the so called nirayana predictive astrology.

as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a

round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas

and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

 

Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has

mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

 

The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

which could never be of Indian origin, much less

Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu scriptures,

much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may

blow!

 

"Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such

hocus pocus!

 

As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

through astrology. That was actually a full time job

of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country for

such a "glorious" pastime!

 

I am sure you would not like India also to have a

similar destiny!

 

It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"

of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

translation of which is doing the rounds these days,

wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the Ayanamsha

Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you

have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

"Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

edition does not agree with the other in any way! And

as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in his

original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

about Ayanamshas since he has made it catagorically

clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!

 

Dhanyavad.

Mohan Jyotishi

 

> vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> RAAGHAVAM

> <munisevitham> wrote:

>

> NaNamaste

> Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> Astrology,

> > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could become

> a

> > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> While my requests for above clarifications till

> rests

> with the list,you have given me an opopportunityo

> learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the

> question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> being.

>

> --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> >

> > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work

> on

> astrology by

> > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of

> > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the

> > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of any

> > so

> > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir

> > RaRamanaaRashichakra All that he has done in the

> > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the

> phenomenon

> > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day

> of

> > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that

> the

> > day and night are equal on that date, and so on.

> > What

> > is all the more surprising is that in that work

> viz.

> > ViVishuurana, also, the nanakshatrahchakratarts

> from

> > KrKrittikajust like it started in the Vedas,

> instead

> > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is

> > happening these days!

> >

> > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted as a

> > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the

> > year, dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and

> > the

> > same thing i.e. the longest day of the year and

> > Autumn

> > Equinox (HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave

> been

> > clubbed together making it very clear that there

> is

> > no

> > other TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which

> days

> > and nights are equal!

> >

> > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed

> to

> > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara

> BhBhatotpalaf

> > Kashmir had said in his commentary on the

> BrBrihat>

> JaJatakamn the seventh century AD that he had heard

> > about some PaParashariut it was not available

> > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his

> > "BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not

> available in the

> > seventh century, how could it be available now

> that

> > is

> > in the nineteenth century, when he had compiled

> that

> > book!

> >

> > The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora

> ShShastra> that is avavilalbehese days with original

> Sanskrit

> > text is from VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the

> > preface of that books states clearly that it is

> (not

> > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown author

> > who

> > has collected different pieces of astrological

> > knowledge from different places and then put them

> > together under the name of "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > ShShastra

> >

> > (Much like RaRavanaSamhita

> >

> > To add insult to injury, that

> "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > ShShastrawants us to adopt

> GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>

> and

> > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf

> GaGaneshaDaivagyas

> > a

> > sixteenth century work!

> > In other words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>

> PrPrasharais a "descendant of Ganesha DaDaivagya

> >

> > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by

> SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master

> KhKhelariaLalnd sons of

> > Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi

> > translation. It is entirely different from that

> of

> > VeVenkateshwarress edition. However, even

> SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that

> work

> is by PaParashara> RiRishi

> >

> > The present English translation avavilablen the

> > market

> > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam JhJhand it

> > prefers a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means

> PaParashara> RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a

> "descendant---a

> > fofollwerf---- LaLahiri

> >

> > And that is that!

> > DhDhanyavad

> > MoMohandyJyotishi>

> > vevedicstrology@yaom,

> > KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >

> <mumunisevitham...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > >

> > > I was recently viewing the MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4

> > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi

> > > version with English caption) ---- in the

> > beginning

> > > of

> > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata

> SaSatyavati

> > > time flows like a river …… it is better that

> man

> > > is

> > > unable to read future.What is fate to happen

> will

> > > happen,some times ignorance is bliss and some

> > times

> > > prprenowledge is a cause for sorrow….fate means

> > that

> > > only God knows what is in store for an

> individual

> > > .."

> > >

> > > The above purported didialoguef Sage Veda

> VyVyason

> > > of

> > > Sage PaParasarepicts Him to be a non believer of

> > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda VyVyasas a

> > non

> > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father Patronized

> > > Astrology?

> > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebeliverf

> > Astrology,

> > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> become

> > a

> > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > >

> > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my

> > > doubts.

> > >

> > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Om nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >

> > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA

> > > >

> > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi

> > Kary

> > > > Address: 652, NoNorvelltreet, El' CeCerritoCA

> > > 94530,

> > > > USA

> > > > Phone: 510-938-1570

> > > > 23 October, Sunday

> > > > Time: 11:00 am

> > > >

> > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California - San

> Francisco

> > > Bay

> > > > Area.

> > > >

> > > > Topic for discussion: BrBrihataParasaraora

> > > ShShastra> > > and PaPanchanga> > > Please bring

> a

>

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Bharat On 10/25/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 > wrote:

Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

"Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a square

peg in a round hole!

The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,

Budha, Shani etc.

"Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century

BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,

nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis nor

to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!

In other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra

is there, which means there was no predictive

astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE ---

Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --

in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and

that also the so called nirayana predictive astrology.

as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a

round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas

and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has

mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

which could never be of Indian origin, much less

Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu scriptures,

much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may

blow!

"Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such

hocus pocus!

As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

through astrology. That was actually a full time job

of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country for

such a "glorious" pastime!

I am sure you would not like India also to have a

similar destiny!

It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"

of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

translation of which is doing the rounds these days,

wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the Ayanamsha

Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you

have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

"Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

edition does not agree with the other in any way! And

as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in his

original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

about Ayanamshas since he has made it catagorically

clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!

Dhanyavad.

Mohan Jyotishi

> vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> RAAGHAVAM

> <munisevitham> wrote:

>

> NaNamaste

> Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> Astrology,

> > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could become

> a

> > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> While my requests for above clarifications till

> rests

> with the list,you have given me an opopportunityo

> learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the

> question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> being.

>

> --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> >

> > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work

> on

> astrology by

> > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of

> > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the

> > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of any

> > so

> > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir

> > RaRamanaaRashichakra All that he has done in the

> > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the

> phenomenon

> > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day

> of

> > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that

> the

> > day and night are equal on that date, and so on.

> > What

> > is all the more surprising is that in that work

> viz.

> > ViVishuurana, also, the nanakshatrahchakratarts

> from

> > KrKrittikajust like it started in the Vedas,

> instead

> > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is

> > happening these days!

> >

> > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted as a

> > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the

> > year, dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and

> > the

> > same thing i.e. the longest day of the year and

> > Autumn

> > Equinox (HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave

> been

> > clubbed together making it very clear that there

> is

> > no

> > other TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which

> days

> > and nights are equal!

> >

> > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed

> to

> > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara

> BhBhatotpalaf

> > Kashmir had said in his commentary on the

> BrBrihat>

> JaJatakamn the seventh century AD that he had heard

> > about some PaParashariut it was not available

> > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his

> > "BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not

> available in the

> > seventh century, how could it be available now

> that

> > is

> > in the nineteenth century, when he had compiled

> that

> > book!

> >

> > The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora

> ShShastra> that is avavilalbehese days with original

> Sanskrit

> > text is from VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the

> > preface of that books states clearly that it is

> (not

> > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown author

> > who

> > has collected different pieces of astrological

> > knowledge from different places and then put them

> > together under the name of "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > ShShastra

> >

> > (Much like RaRavanaSamhita

> >

> > To add insult to injury, that

> "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > ShShastrawants us to adopt

> GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>

> and

> > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf

> GaGaneshaDaivagyas

> > a

> > sixteenth century work!

> > In other words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>

> PrPrasharais a "descendant of Ganesha DaDaivagya

> >

> > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by

> SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master

> KhKhelariaLalnd sons of

> > Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi

> > translation. It is entirely different from that

> of

> > VeVenkateshwarress edition. However, even

> SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that

> work

> is by PaParashara> RiRishi

> >

> > The present English translation avavilablen the

> > market

> > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam JhJhand it

> > prefers a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means

> PaParashara> RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a

> "descendant---a

> > fofollwerf---- LaLahiri

> >

> > And that is that!

> > DhDhanyavad

> > MoMohandyJyotishi>

> > vevedicstrology@yaom,

> > KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >

> <mumunisevitham...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > >

> > > I was recently viewing the MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4

> > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi

> > > version with English caption) ---- in the

> > beginning

> > > of

> > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata

> SaSatyavati

> > > time flows like a river …… it is better that

> man

> > > is

> > > unable to read future.What is fate to happen

> will

> > > happen,some times ignorance is bliss and some

> > times

> > > prprenowledge is a cause for sorrow….fate means

> > that

> > > only God knows what is in store for an

> individual

> > > .."

> > >

> > > The above purported didialoguef Sage Veda

> VyVyason

> > > of

> > > Sage PaParasarepicts Him to be a non believer of

> > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda VyVyasas a

> > non

> > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father Patronized

> > > Astrology?

> > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebeliverf

> > Astrology,

> > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> become

> > a

> > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > >

> > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my

> > > doubts.

> > >

> > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Om nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >

> > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA

> > > >

> > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi

> > Kary

> > > > Address: 652, NoNorvelltreet, El' CeCerritoCA

> > > 94530,

> > > > USA

> > > > Phone: 510-938-1570

> > > > 23 October, Sunday

> > > > Time: 11:00 am

> > > >

> > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California - San

> Francisco

> > > Bay

> > > > Area.

> > > >

> > > > Topic for discussion: BrBrihataParasaraora

> > > ShShastra> > > and PaPanchanga> > > Please bring

> a

>

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Namaste,

 

> As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

through astrology.

 

If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is

true as per scripctures, I have no other option but to

respect your sentiment .

 

> That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the

"magnificent" fate of that country for such a

"glorious" pastime!

 

I agree , many a youthful brilliant students of the

world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in

the society are encaged in predictive

astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

become less attentive towards their duties, family

and wards .

 

Science mutes astrology :

Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the

astrologers ( for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '

one eye on the soil and the other on the sky ' for

sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a

"Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives

many farming technics,at present the area resembles a

delta region and the natives realised " work is to

worship" rather than running behind astrologers for

advices .

 

My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for

the drop outs / retired from active life.

 

I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.

 

--- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 wrote:

 

>

> Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

> square

> peg in a round hole!

>

> The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> etc. nor is there any mention of planets like

> Mangal,

> Budha, Shani etc.

>

> "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> century

> BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean

> tithi,

> nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> nor

> to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both

> inclusive!

> In other words, just the mention of Surya and

> Chandra

> is there, which means there was no predictive

> astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE ---

> Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE

> --

> in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,

> and

> that also the so called nirayana predictive

> astrology.

> as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in

> a

> round hole, much against the very spriti of the

> Vedas

> and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

>

> Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> has

> mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

>

> The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> scriptures,

> much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we

> may

> blow!

>

> "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such

> hocus pocus!

>

> As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

> the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> through astrology. That was actually a full time job

> of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country for

> such a "glorious" pastime!

>

> I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> similar destiny!

>

> It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"

> of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> translation of which is doing the rounds these days,

> wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the Ayanamsha

> Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you

> have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> edition does not agree with the other in any way!

> And

> as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

> his

> original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> about Ayanamshas since he has made it catagorically

> clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti

> etc.!

>

> Dhanyavad.

> Mohan Jyotishi

>

> > vedic astrology,

> KARUNAAKARAM

> > RAAGHAVAM

> > <munisevitham> wrote:

> >

> > NaNamaste

> > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > Astrology,

> > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> become

> > a

> > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > rests

> > with the list,you have given me an opopportunityo

> > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve

> the

> > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > being.

> >

> > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > >

> > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work

> > on

> > astrology by

> > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> of

> > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand

> the

> > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of

> any

> > > so

> > > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a

> LaLahirir

> > > RaRamanaaRashichakra All that he has done in the

> > > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the

> > phenomenon

> > > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the

> day

> > of

> > > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that

> > the

> > > day and night are equal on that date, and so on.

> > > What

> > > is all the more surprising is that in that work

> > viz.

> > > ViVishuurana, also, the nanakshatrahchakratarts

> > from

> > > KrKrittikajust like it started in the Vedas,

> > instead

> > > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is

> > > happening these days!

> > >

> > > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted as

> a

> > > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of

> the

> > > year, dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one

> and

> > > the

> > > same thing i.e. the longest day of the year and

> > > Autumn

> > > Equinox (HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave

> > been

> > > clubbed together making it very clear that there

> > is

> > > no

> > > other TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which

> > days

> > > and nights are equal!

> > >

> > > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed

> > to

> > > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara

> > BhBhatotpalaf

> > > Kashmir had said in his commentary on the

> > BrBrihat>

> > JaJatakamn the seventh century AD that he had

> heard

> > > about some PaParashariut it was not available

> > > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his

> > > "BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not

> > available in the

> > > seventh century, how could it be available now

> > that

> > > is

> > > in the nineteenth century, when he had compiled

> > that

> > > book!

> > >

> > > The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora

> > ShShastra> that is avavilalbehese days with

> original

> > Sanskrit

> > > text is from VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and

> the

> > > preface of that books states clearly that it is

> > (not

>

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Hello! Shri Bharat and list!

 

Greetings to all!

 

Well, as a curious observer I see substantiation in Shri Mohan's

posting. Just a one-liner ("Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and

very much Vedic") is certainty ill conceived whilst insufficient as

a refutation or rebuttal, and surely goes counter to exhibiting

scientific temper.

 

BTW, Shri Bharat where did you have the open discussions with Shri

Mohan? Would you be kind enough to furnish me the link? Is it on

this forum?

 

I am afraid, Shri Mohan's argument stands; of course, until and

unless if you could prove him otherwise. Yes, if you indeed have the

time to peruse the research findings of some of the leading scholars

on Indology, you would discover great antiquity to Indian Astronomy

than to Indian Astrology. Perhaps, in doing so, you might want to

revisit your stance! Shri Bharat, it would be greatly appreciated,

if you are able to substantiate your conviction. Thanks!

 

Regards,

 

Annu

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar All

>

> Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and very much Vedic. I have had

open

> discussions with Sri Mohan but somehow he is bent on wanting to

proof

> something that is only, at best his assumptions.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 10/25/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a square

> > peg in a round hole!

> >

> > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,

> > Budha, Shani etc.

> >

> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century

> > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,

> > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis nor

> > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!

> > In other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra

> > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE ---

> > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --

> > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and

> > that also the so called nirayana predictive astrology.

> > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a

> > round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas

> > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> >

> > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has

> > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> >

> > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu scriptures,

> > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may

> > blow!

> >

> > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such

> > hocus pocus!

> >

> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > through astrology. That was actually a full time job

> > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country for

> > such a "glorious" pastime!

> >

> > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > similar destiny!

> >

> > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"

> > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > translation of which is doing the rounds these days,

> > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the Ayanamsha

> > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you

> > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > edition does not agree with the other in any way! And

> > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in his

> > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > about Ayanamshas since he has made it catagorically

> > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!

> >

> > Dhanyavad.

> > Mohan Jyotishi

> >

> > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > Astrology,

> > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could become

> > > a

> > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > rests

> > > with the list,you have given me an opopportunityo

> > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the

> > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > being.

> > >

> > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > >

> > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work

> > > on

> > > astrology by

> > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of

> > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the

> > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of any

> > > > so

> > > > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir

> > > > RaRamanaaRashichakra All that he has done in the

> > > > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the

> > > phenomenon

> > > > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day

> > > of

> > > > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that

> > > the

> > > > day and night are equal on that date, and so on.

> > > > What

> > > > is all the more surprising is that in that work

> > > viz.

> > > > ViVishuurana, also, the nanakshatrahchakratarts

> > > from

> > > > KrKrittikajust like it started in the Vedas,

> > > instead

> > > > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is

> > > > happening these days!

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted as a

> > > > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the

> > > > year, dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and

> > > > the

> > > > same thing i.e. the longest day of the year and

> > > > Autumn

> > > > Equinox (HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave

> > > been

> > > > clubbed together making it very clear that there

> > > is

> > > > no

> > > > other TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which

> > > days

> > > > and nights are equal!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed

> > > to

> > > > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara

> > > BhBhatotpalaf

> > > > Kashmir had said in his commentary on the

> > > BrBrihat>

> > > JaJatakamn the seventh century AD that he had heard

> > > > about some PaParashariut it was not available

> > > > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his

> > > > "BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not

> > > available in the

> > > > seventh century, how could it be available now

> > > that

> > > > is

> > > > in the nineteenth century, when he had compiled

> > > that

> > > > book!

> > > >

> > > > The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora

> > > ShShastra> that is avavilalbehese days with original

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > text is from VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the

> > > > preface of that books states clearly that it is

> > > (not

> > > > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown author

> > > > who

> > > > has collected different pieces of astrological

> > > > knowledge from different places and then put them

> > > > together under the name of "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > > > ShShastra

> > > >

> > > > (Much like RaRavanaSamhita

> > > >

> > > > To add insult to injury, that

> > > "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > > > ShShastrawants us to adopt

> > > GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>

> > > and

> > > > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf

> > > GaGaneshaDaivagyas

> > > > a

> > > > sixteenth century work!

> > > > In other words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>

> > > PrPrasharais a "descendant of Ganesha DaDaivagya

> > > >

> > > > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by

> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master

> > > KhKhelariaLalnd sons of

> > > > Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi

> > > > translation. It is entirely different from that

> > > of

> > > > VeVenkateshwarress edition. However, even

> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that

> > > work

> > > is by PaParashara> RiRishi

> > > >

> > > > The present English translation avavilablen the

> > > > market

> > > > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam JhJhand it

> > > > prefers a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means

> > > PaParashara> RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a

> > > "descendant---a

> > > > fofollwerf---- LaLahiri

> > > >

> > > > And that is that!

> > > > DhDhanyavad

> > > > MoMohandyJyotishi>

> > > > vevedicstrology@yaom,

> > > > KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >

> > > <mumunisevitham...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > NaNamaste

> > > > >

> > > > > I was recently viewing the MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4

> > > > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi

> > > > > version with English caption) ---- in the

> > > > beginning

> > > > > of

> > > > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata

> > > SaSatyavati

> > > > > time flows like a river …… it is better that

> > > man

> > > > > is

> > > > > unable to read future.What is fate to happen

> > > will

> > > > > happen,some times ignorance is bliss and some

> > > > times

> > > > > prprenowledge is a cause for sorrow….fate means

> > > > that

> > > > > only God knows what is in store for an

> > > individual

> > > > > .."

> > > > >

> > > > > The above purported didialoguef Sage Veda

> > > VyVyason

> > > > > of

> > > > > Sage PaParasarepicts Him to be a non believer of

> > > > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda VyVyasas a

> > > > non

> > > > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father Patronized

> > > > > Astrology?

> > > > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebeliverf

> > > > Astrology,

> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > become

> > > > a

> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > >

> > > > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my

> > > > > doubts.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Om nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >

> > > > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi

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> > > > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California - San

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> > > > > > Area.

> > > > > >

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People on the group,

 

I think it is time we stop such rubbish as to there is

nothing Vedic about vedic astrology.

 

Our very learned friend(s) has\have inadvertently not

heard of a SUKTA called Navagraha sukta which exists

as an undercurrent in most of the VEDIC CHANTS. It

clearly specifies the quality, look and adhidevata of

each of the navagrahas, (for example Yama for sani,

Vishnu for budha and so on).It starts like (Aasatyena

Rajasa ...).

 

The great grand sire of the Mahabharata, Reverend

Bhishma pitamaha had the boon of a wishful death and

he chose not to die until UTTARAYANA arrived.

 

There is also clearly the mention of various kinds of

eclipses, ekadashi tithis and various kinds of time

calculations pertaining to various Yugas.

 

It is a well known fact in astrology that the transit

of Sanideva through Rohini nakshatra always yields bad

results. There is a side story in the Ramayana of as

to how Dasartha went up the heavens to sani to first

plead with him to bypass his transit through Rohini

and if Sani did not relent was also willing to fight

him. Even to this day there are thousands of people

who still chant the Sani stotram written by DASARATHA

to pacify Sani.

 

Our writer also seems to get carried away so much in

his thoughts that he has cleverly forgotten that the

Vedas were infact an import brought in by the

marauding ARYANS who either brought them here or

developed them after settling in the great INDIAN

plains. History is witness to this fact the ARYANS

were not the basic settlers of our great land and its

heritage! But do we still not feel proud of our

culture and the Vedas? History also agrees that the

ancestors of the Greek and roman and our Vedic

civilization must at some point have had led a mingled

life before splitting off into various directions.

Hence there is bound to be some usage of words which

may be Greek. But there is no doubt about the point

that the Vedas were infact completely "developed" only

on this soil as other (Greek and roman)civilizations

have not shown as much as 25% similarities to put us

in the same boat as themselves. SO based on this fact

our very knowledgeable writer may also say in the

future that basic words like Matr,Pitr,Bhratr and so

on are very similar to English and German words like

mother, Matron , Father, Patron and so on and hence

try to prove that English came before Sanskrit and

that we should be indebted to them.

 

The study of every aspect of life has been so cleverly

delineated and complete in our branch of astrology

(Vedic) that astrologers all over the world are

shifting towards and here we are trying to bicker over

such a foolish thing instead of trying to master it.

 

As to various ayanamshas in use it depends on the

calculation of taking Chitra, Jyestha or Aswini as the

fixed point in the heavens. Not all of us (at least

not me) are expert, complete astrologers and

prediction is not always accurate as we are not the

Vidhaata.(Only Brahma can correctly say what will

happen and we as humans can only indicate it based on

our incomplete knowledge and experience.)

 

Maharshi Parashara was a bachelor. Then how on earth

did he beget a son (Veda Vyasa) that too from a

fisherwoman class.Maharshi Parashara had full

knowledge of the navagrahas and their effects on

anyone and everyone as he performed a serious penance

and received boons from them. Not wanting to be

selfish he very magnanimously put down his knowledge

in writing for the future' benefit. One day when he

was walking to the Ganga to have a bath to perform his

evening ablutions he happened to glance at the evening

sky and foresaw a dazzling array and formation of

planets in the sky. A child impregnated at that moment

would be of a very high stature and intelligence, one

who would be of immense use to human society. Not

wanting to cause a serious loss to humanity he

impregnated the nearest woman available who was the

one who happened to be rowing the boat and also a

fisherwoman. He also blessed her to have a good body

odour and that her son would help her in any need. I

don't think I need to reiterate what Vyasa gave us (18

puranas, 4 Vedas and its Vedangas, Mahabharata,

Upanishads, Bhagavatham, and the Gita which is part of

the Mahabharata).Forgive me if I have left out others.

 

As a parting shot I want to remind everyone about the

most famous NAVAGRAHA stotram (Japa Kusuma

sankaasam...).It has a phalashruti which states that

 

"Iti VYASA Mukhodgitam Yah Patheth Su samahitaah,

Divava yadiva Rattrau Vighna shantih bhavishyati,

Nara naari Nripaanamcha Bhave Duhswapna Naasanam,

Aiswarya matulaam tesam arogyam pusthi vardhanam,

Graha nakshtrajaah pidaah staskaraagni samudhbhavah,

Taah sarvaah prashaman VYASOH bruutena samshayah.

 

Hereby written by Vyasa, persons who chant the

navagraha stotram shall be freed from all ill effects

of not only planets but also other celestial bodies

(stars) and also freed from bad dreams. There is no

doubt about it as promised by Vyasa himself.

 

I am sure there will still exist people like our

enlightened writer\s who may find fault with

everything as they deem themselves akin to frogs in a

well. We must somehow put them to the side and leave

them to their fate, until they realize their stand.

 

Also no one is exactly pleading with anyone to

completely waste their times lolling away in

thoughts.It must be used as a tool to identify

difficulties and overcome them.If good is indicated,

we must not be slthy but must work towards acheiving

the results.

 

NAVEEN

 

 

 

--- KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham

wrote:

 

> Namaste,

>

> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> against

> the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> through astrology.

>

> If the dialogue of the Sage Veda Vyas to his mother

> Ms.Satyavati (refer to my original thread below) is

> true as per scripctures, I have no other option but

> to

> respect your sentiment .

>

> > That was actually a full time job of Babylon in

> about 4000 BCE, and just see for yourself the

> "magnificent" fate of that country for such a

> "glorious" pastime!

>

> I agree , many a youthful brilliant students of

> the

> world class institutes of Arts & Science, who are

> capable of leaving behind their permanent stamps in

> the society are encaged in predictive

> astrology,wasting their youthful man-hours doing

> unproductive excavations on others fate , may even

> become less attentive towards their duties, family

> and wards .

>

> Science mutes astrology :

> Natives of some villages situated on the slopes and

> edges of Deccan plateau were once going behind the

> astrologers ( for advice of seasonal rains ) kept '

> one eye on the soil and the other on the sky ' for

> sowing seeds.Long ago the area was adopted by a

> "Society Agaist Hunger campion" taught the natives

> many farming technics,at present the area resembles

> a

> delta region and the natives realised " work is to

> worship" rather than running behind astrologers for

> advices .

>

> My friends ridicule that astrology is a subject for

> the drop outs / retired from active life.

>

> I am in my 70s.Their word suits me.

>

> --- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

> > square

> > peg in a round hole!

> >

> > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like

> > Mangal,

> > Budha, Shani etc.

> >

> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth

> > century

> > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean

> > tithi,

> > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis

> > nor

> > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both

> > inclusive!

> > In other words, just the mention of Surya and

> > Chandra

> > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

> ---

> > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE

> > --

> > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology,

> > and

> > that also the so called nirayana predictive

> > astrology.

> > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg

> in

> > a

> > round hole, much against the very spriti of the

> > Vedas

> > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> >

> > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he

> > has

> > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> >

> > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu

> > scriptures,

> > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we

> > may

> > blow!

> >

> > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of

> such

> > hocus pocus!

> >

> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is

> against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is

> like

> > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into

> future

> > through astrology. That was actually a full time

> job

> > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country

> for

> > such a "glorious" pastime!

> >

> > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > similar destiny!

> >

> > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the

> "creator"

> > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > translation of which is doing the rounds these

> days,

> > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

> Ayanamsha

> > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus

> you

> > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > edition does not agree with the other in any way!

> > And

> > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

> > his

> > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > about Ayanamshas since he has made it

> catagorically

> > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti

> > etc.!

> >

> > Dhanyavad.

> > Mohan Jyotishi

> >

> > > vedic astrology,

> > KARUNAAKARAM

> > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > Astrology,

> > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > become

> > > a

> > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > rests

> > > with the list,you have given me an

> opopportunityo

> > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve

> > the

> > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > being.

> > >

> > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > >

> > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any

> work

> > > on

> > > astrology by

> > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full

> > of

> > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand

> > the

> > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of

> > any

> > > > so

> > > > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a

> > LaLahirir

>

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abruptly stopped sending messages. Secondly, read the posts by Sri

Sreenadh too.

Thanks and Regards

BharatOn 10/26/05, anupama888 <anupama888 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello! Shri Bharat and list!

Greetings to all!

Well, as a curious observer I see substantiation in Shri Mohan's

posting. Just a one-liner ("Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and

very much Vedic") is certainty ill conceived whilst insufficient as

a refutation or rebuttal, and surely goes counter to exhibiting

scientific temper.

BTW, Shri Bharat where did you have the open discussions with Shri

Mohan? Would you be kind enough to furnish me the link? Is it on

this forum?

I am afraid, Shri Mohan's argument stands; of course, until and

unless if you could prove him otherwise. Yes, if you indeed have the

time to peruse the research findings of some of the leading scholars

on Indology, you would discover great antiquity to Indian Astronomy

than to Indian Astrology. Perhaps, in doing so, you might want to

revisit your stance! Shri Bharat, it would be greatly appreciated,

if you are able to substantiate your conviction. Thanks!

Regards,

Annu

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar All

>

> Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and very much Vedic. I have had

open

> discussions with Sri Mohan but somehow he is bent on wanting to

proof

> something that is only, at best his assumptions.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 10/25/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a square

> > peg in a round hole!

> >

> > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,

> > Budha, Shani etc.

> >

> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century

> > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,

> > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis nor

> > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!

> > In other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra

> > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE ---

> > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --

> > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and

> > that also the so called nirayana predictive astrology.

> > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a

> > round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas

> > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> >

> > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has

> > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> >

> > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu scriptures,

> > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may

> > blow!

> >

> > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such

> > hocus pocus!

> >

> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > through astrology. That was actually a full time job

> > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country for

> > such a "glorious" pastime!

> >

> > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > similar destiny!

> >

> > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"

> > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > translation of which is doing the rounds these days,

> > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the Ayanamsha

> > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you

> > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > edition does not agree with the other in any way! And

> > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in his

> > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > about Ayanamshas since he has made it catagorically

> > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!

> >

> > Dhanyavad.

> > Mohan Jyotishi

> >

> > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > Astrology,

> > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could become

> > > a

> > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > rests

> > > with the list,you have given me an opopportunityo

> > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the

> > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > being.

> > >

> > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > >

> > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work

> > > on

> > > astrology by

> > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of

> > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the

> > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of any

> > > > so

> > > > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir

> > > > RaRamanaaRashichakra All that he has done in the

> > > > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the

> > > phenomenon

> > > > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day

> > > of

> > > > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that

> > > the

> > > > day and night are equal on that date, and so on.

> > > > What

> > > > is all the more surprising is that in that work

> > > viz.

> > > > ViVishuurana, also, the nanakshatrahchakratarts

> > > from

> > > > KrKrittikajust like it started in the Vedas,

> > > instead

> > > > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is

> > > > happening these days!

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted as a

> > > > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the

> > > > year, dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and

> > > > the

> > > > same thing i.e. the longest day of the year and

> > > > Autumn

> > > > Equinox (HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave

> > > been

> > > > clubbed together making it very clear that there

> > > is

> > > > no

> > > > other TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which

> > > days

> > > > and nights are equal!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed

> > > to

> > > > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara

> > > BhBhatotpalaf

> > > > Kashmir had said in his commentary on the

> > > BrBrihat>

> > > JaJatakamn the seventh century AD that he had heard

> > > > about some PaParashariut it was not available

> > > > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his

> > > > "BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not

> > > available in the

> > > > seventh century, how could it be available now

> > > that

> > > > is

> > > > in the nineteenth century, when he had compiled

> > > that

> > > > book!

> > > >

> > > > The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora

> > > ShShastra> that is avavilalbehese days with original

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > text is from VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the

> > > > preface of that books states clearly that it is

> > > (not

> > > > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown author

> > > > who

> > > > has collected different pieces of astrological

> > > > knowledge from different places and then put them

> > > > together under the name of "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > > > ShShastra

> > > >

> > > > (Much like RaRavanaSamhita

> > > >

> > > > To add insult to injury, that

> > > "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > > > ShShastrawants us to adopt

> > > GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>

> > > and

> > > > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf

> > > GaGaneshaDaivagyas

> > > > a

> > > > sixteenth century work!

> > > > In other words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>

> > > PrPrasharais a "descendant of Ganesha DaDaivagya

> > > >

> > > > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by

> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master

> > > KhKhelariaLalnd sons of

> > > > Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi

> > > > translation. It is entirely different from that

> > > of

> > > > VeVenkateshwarress edition. However, even

> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that

> > > work

> > > is by PaParashara> RiRishi

> > > >

> > > > The present English translation avavilablen the

> > > > market

> > > > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam JhJhand it

> > > > prefers a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means

> > > PaParashara> RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a

> > > "descendant---a

> > > > fofollwerf---- LaLahiri

> > > >

> > > > And that is that!

> > > > DhDhanyavad

> > > > MoMohandyJyotishi>

> > > > vevedicstrology@yaom,

> > > > KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >

> > > <mumunisevitham...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > NaNamaste

> > > > >

> > > > > I was recently viewing the MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4

> > > > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi

> > > > > version with English caption) ---- in the

> > > > beginning

> > > > > of

> > > > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata

> > > SaSatyavati

> > > > > time flows like a river �� it is better that

> > > man

> > > > > is

> > > > > unable to read future.What is fate to happen

> > > will

> > > > > happen,some times ignorance is bliss and some

> > > > times

> > > > > prprenowledge is a cause for sorrow�.fate means

> > > > that

> > > > > only God knows what is in store for an

> > > individual

> > > > > .."

> > > > >

> > > > > The above purported didialoguef Sage Veda

> > > VyVyason

> > > > > of

> > > > > Sage PaParasarepicts Him to be a non believer of

> > > > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda VyVyasas a

> > > > non

> > > > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father Patronized

> > > > > Astrology?

> > > > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebeliverf

> > > > Astrology,

> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > become

> > > > a

> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > >

> > > > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my

> > > > > doubts.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Om nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >

> > > > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi

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> > > > > > 23 October, Sunday

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California - San

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> > > > > Bay

> > > > > > Area.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Topic for discussion: BrBrihataParasaraora

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Once he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply starts a new thread.

This is his modus operandi. To those who come in late, think that it is

a new discussion. First it was Sri Avtar Kishen Kaul and now him. They

take turns in sending such emails.

Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should not be used. My

contention is whether or not Ayanamsha is used, astrology is Vedic and

Hindu. For me to be hindu, the word Hindu need not be contained in the

Vedas. For me to be Vedic, I need to have adopted the Veda. I am Vedic

(Hindu is a given name and therefore should not be used). The Astrology

follows the Veda. Here is the article that I gave earlier for your

benefit is again given. This is also for those who talk about science

and are in least scientific.

Having read the article, below why should I not call astrology Vedic.

It is my custom, tradition and it is resonant with the Veda. Who is Sri

Mohan or Sri Kaul to stop me or anyone from calling it Vedic? The self

promoters of what should or should not be called Vedic?

Having said this, this is my last post on the subject as it appears to

me as if these people are trying to promote Arya Samaj over Sanatana

Dharma, etc... I am party to neither. I study Veda and Jyotish only to

help further my understanding and not in any power struggle.

To believe in something or not to believe in something without adequate know-how

is superstition. Please read below:

YOTISH : THE SCIENCE OF LIGHT

Jyotish is the science of light. The word "Jyoti" means light. Jyotish is known

by the names: "Vedic Astrology", "Hindu Astrology" or "Indian Astrology".

 

Jyotish

is the science of light and light is a form of energy. Light carries

the information of events with it. When mind registers the light

through the eyes, the event becomes evident to us. In other words,

light is one of the main factors that make the time continuum possible.

It brings certain continuity between events as it carries vital

information from one event and enables its effects. Let us

use an example. If a friend, who is sitting next to you, is suddenly

sick, and this information is arrested by arresting the energy that

carries this information, then, you would not realize that your friend

is sick. Imagine something that arrests both the light and sound that

it cannot reach you. In such a case, the effect of his cries for help

will not be there on you. Whereas, the moment you get this information,

you will act. It is safe to presume that light carries information and

enables cause and effect. Here light should be understood as energy. Cause

and effect enables time. Time is defined as the interval between two

events. If events do not exist, then, time cannot exist. In our deep

sleep (dreamless sleep) we get a glimpse of no-time situation. The

ancient seers of India recognized these facts and employed them

beautifully into a subject of Jyotish. Jyotish Astrology takes its

subject matter from the very basis of space and time and it does not

lack in its scientific approach.

 

JYOTISH AS A VEDANGA

Vedanga

refers to those bodies of knowledge that are the "limbs" to the Vedas.

In other words, it aids in understanding of the Vedas.

It

would be important to understand what Vedas are. The word "Veda" means

knowledge. Vedas contain aphorisms to understand the true identity of

ourselves. Many people think Vedas are part of Hindu Religion. It would

correct to say that Hindu Religion has adopted itself from the Vedas.

Vedas are universal and came before the word "Hindu" came into being.

Jyotish

is an Vedanga and in its approach it follows the Vedic teaching.

Jyotish cannot go against the Vedas in its teaching or analysis.

Jyotish

follows the principle of freedom of choice. It gives individuals the

right to choose in any given situation. The choices always available to

an individual in any given situation of life are:

 

1. To react (anger, jealousy, envy, fear, fight, arrogance, likes, dislikes, etc.)

2. To pro act (do one's action as required by the call of duty, without

involving oneself in the above reactions).

3. Remain calm without any action (Realizing the results are given by the lord,

and accepting them without any reaction)

 

The

2nd choice has all the elements of the 3rd choice. Jyotish as a

subject, never undermines these choices. With these choices, one can

change one's future. With the first choice, one can enhance the

difficulties in one's destiny and with, the second and third choice,

one can enhance the quality of destiny in happiness and success. Each

time you make the 2nd or 3rd choice, you weaken the reactions within

yourself. Over a period of time, you stop reacting at all. Jyotish

understands this principle and employs it.

Jyotish

never promises a pre destined life. Mother, father, brother, sister may

be predestined but not your future. Your future depends upon the

choices.

 

JYOTISH AND ITS ABILITY TO FORESEE THE FUTURE

Most

people in the world, neither study the Vedas nor attempt to understand

them. They are not aware that they have the above mentioned choices.

They become mechanical in their thinking and actions. They are easy to

predict.

How

are such people easy to predict should be understood scientifically.

For example, if a ball is set into motion on a surface whose friction

quotient is known and the force and direction applied to the ball and

its dead weight is known, then, we can calculate in which direction the

ball will move and for how long.

Jyotish

uses the same principle. It analyses the planetary forces on an

individual and determines, where it will take that person and for how

much time. If the person does not use the choice (2 or 3), there would

be no interjection to the planetary forces and prediction could be made

with ease.

In

case the person reacts, the planetary forces get strengthened for the

worse and the event shall happen, probably before the stipulated time.

In

case the person uses choice 2 and 3, the planetary forces get

interjected and poor results are either delayed or reduced in magnitude

or removed all together. As science and chaos theory states, tiny

imperfections can bring huge amounts of changes in any system.

Similarly, tiny interjections of choices 2 and 3, bring huge changes

over the years.

A person totally free from reactive ness, is very difficult to predict through jyotish.

 

HOW IS JYOTISH HELPFUL

The

Jyotish word for planet is "graha". Graha means "the seizer". It can be

said that planets (grahas) seize the individual and tend to "make

him/her" react in a particular manner. Jyotish understands what forces

are binding the individual and harming in the goal of life. Jyotish

also checks of possible health hazards, financial difficulties,

problems in associating with other individuals through marriage,

relationship or business. Jyotish makes an individual realize the

choices and helps the individual understand his/her psychological

personality.

Jyotish

readies a person for the present and the future. It enhances value to

life of an individual. It help removes many negative traits and its

corresponding problems that might have manifested in the future, had

these traits not been removed.

Jyotish, in effect, is a life changing subject. It relates to everything in a person's life.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 10/26/05, anupama888 <anupama888 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello! Shri Bharat and list!

Greetings to all!

Well, as a curious observer I see substantiation in Shri Mohan's

posting. Just a one-liner ("Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and

very much Vedic") is certainty ill conceived whilst insufficient as

a refutation or rebuttal, and surely goes counter to exhibiting

scientific temper.

BTW, Shri Bharat where did you have the open discussions with Shri

Mohan? Would you be kind enough to furnish me the link? Is it on

this forum?

I am afraid, Shri Mohan's argument stands; of course, until and

unless if you could prove him otherwise. Yes, if you indeed have the

time to peruse the research findings of some of the leading scholars

on Indology, you would discover great antiquity to Indian Astronomy

than to Indian Astrology. Perhaps, in doing so, you might want to

revisit your stance! Shri Bharat, it would be greatly appreciated,

if you are able to substantiate your conviction. Thanks!

Regards,

Annu

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar All

>

> Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and very much Vedic. I have had

open

> discussions with Sri Mohan but somehow he is bent on wanting to

proof

> something that is only, at best his assumptions.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 10/25/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a square

> > peg in a round hole!

> >

> > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,

> > Budha, Shani etc.

> >

> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century

> > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,

> > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis nor

> > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!

> > In other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra

> > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE ---

> > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --

> > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and

> > that also the so called nirayana predictive astrology.

> > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a

> > round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas

> > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> >

> > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has

> > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> >

> > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu scriptures,

> > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may

> > blow!

> >

> > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such

> > hocus pocus!

> >

> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > through astrology. That was actually a full time job

> > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country for

> > such a "glorious" pastime!

> >

> > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > similar destiny!

> >

> > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"

> > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > translation of which is doing the rounds these days,

> > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the Ayanamsha

> > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you

> > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > edition does not agree with the other in any way! And

> > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in his

> > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > about Ayanamshas since he has made it catagorically

> > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!

> >

> > Dhanyavad.

> > Mohan Jyotishi

> >

> > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > Astrology,

> > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could become

> > > a

> > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > rests

> > > with the list,you have given me an opopportunityo

> > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the

> > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > being.

> > >

> > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > >

> > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work

> > > on

> > > astrology by

> > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of

> > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the

> > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of any

> > > > so

> > > > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir

> > > > RaRamanaaRashichakra All that he has done in the

> > > > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the

> > > phenomenon

> > > > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day

> > > of

> > > > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that

> > > the

> > > > day and night are equal on that date, and so on.

> > > > What

> > > > is all the more surprising is that in that work

> > > viz.

> > > > ViVishuurana, also, the nanakshatrahchakratarts

> > > from

> > > > KrKrittikajust like it started in the Vedas,

> > > instead

> > > > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is

> > > > happening these days!

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted as a

> > > > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the

> > > > year, dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and

> > > > the

> > > > same thing i.e. the longest day of the year and

> > > > Autumn

> > > > Equinox (HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave

> > > been

> > > > clubbed together making it very clear that there

> > > is

> > > > no

> > > > other TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which

> > > days

> > > > and nights are equal!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed

> > > to

> > > > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara

> > > BhBhatotpalaf

> > > > Kashmir had said in his commentary on the

> > > BrBrihat>

> > > JaJatakamn the seventh century AD that he had heard

> > > > about some PaParashariut it was not available

> > > > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his

> > > > "BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not

> > > available in the

> > > > seventh century, how could it be available now

> > > that

> > > > is

> > > > in the nineteenth century, when he had compiled

> > > that

> > > > book!

> > > >

> > > > The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora

> > > ShShastra> that is avavilalbehese days with original

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > text is from VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the

> > > > preface of that books states clearly that it is

> > > (not

> > > > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown author

> > > > who

> > > > has collected different pieces of astrological

> > > > knowledge from different places and then put them

> > > > together under the name of "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > > > ShShastra

> > > >

> > > > (Much like RaRavanaSamhita

> > > >

> > > > To add insult to injury, that

> > > "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > > > ShShastrawants us to adopt

> > > GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>

> > > and

> > > > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf

> > > GaGaneshaDaivagyas

> > > > a

> > > > sixteenth century work!

> > > > In other words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>

> > > PrPrasharais a "descendant of Ganesha DaDaivagya

> > > >

> > > > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by

> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master

> > > KhKhelariaLalnd sons of

> > > > Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi

> > > > translation. It is entirely different from that

> > > of

> > > > VeVenkateshwarress edition. However, even

> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that

> > > work

> > > is by PaParashara> RiRishi

> > > >

> > > > The present English translation avavilablen the

> > > > market

> > > > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam JhJhand it

> > > > prefers a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means

> > > PaParashara> RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a

> > > "descendant---a

> > > > fofollwerf---- LaLahiri

> > > >

> > > > And that is that!

> > > > DhDhanyavad

> > > > MoMohandyJyotishi>

> > > > vevedicstrology@yaom,

> > > > KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >

> > > <mumunisevitham...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > NaNamaste

> > > > >

> > > > > I was recently viewing the MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4

> > > > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi

> > > > > version with English caption) ---- in the

> > > > beginning

> > > > > of

> > > > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata

> > > SaSatyavati

> > > > > time flows like a river �� it is better that

> > > man

> > > > > is

> > > > > unable to read future.What is fate to happen

> > > will

> > > > > happen,some times ignorance is bliss and some

> > > > times

> > > > > prprenowledge is a cause for sorrow�.fate means

> > > > that

> > > > > only God knows what is in store for an

> > > individual

> > > > > .."

> > > > >

> > > > > The above purported didialoguef Sage Veda

> > > VyVyason

> > > > > of

> > > > > Sage PaParasarepicts Him to be a non believer of

> > > > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda VyVyasas a

> > > > non

> > > > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father Patronized

> > > > > Astrology?

> > > > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebeliverf

> > > > Astrology,

> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > become

> > > > a

> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > >

> > > > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my

> > > > > doubts.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Om nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >

> > > > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California - San

> > > Francisco

> > > > > Bay

> > > > > > Area.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Topic for discussion: BrBrihataParasaraora

> > > > > ShShastra> > > and PaPanchanga> > > Please bring

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Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about "Vedic astrology"!

Namaskaar AnnuOnce he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply starts a new

thread. This is his modus operandi. To those who come in late, think that it is

a new discussion. First it was Sri Avtar Kishen Kaul and now him. They take

turns in sending such emails. Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should

not be used. My contention is whether or not Ayanamsha is used, astrology is

Vedic and Hindu. For me to be hindu, the word Hindu need not be contained in

the Vedas. For me to be Vedic, I need to have adopted the Veda. I am Vedic

(Hindu is a given name and therefore should not be used). The Astrology follows

the Veda. Here is the article that I gave earlier for your benefit is again

given. This is also for those who talk about science and are in least

scientific. Having read the article, below why should I not call astrology

Vedic. It is my custom, tradition and it is resonant with the Veda. Who is Sri

Mohan or Sri Kaul to stop me or anyone from calling it Vedic? The self

promoters of what should or should not be called Vedic? Having said this, this

is my last post on the subject as it appears to me as if these people are

trying to promote Arya Samaj over Sanatana Dharma, etc... I am party to

neither. I study Veda and Jyotish only to help further my understanding and not

in any power struggle. To believe in something or not to believe in something

without adequate know-how is superstition. Please read below:

YOTISH : THE SCIENCE OF LIGHT

Jyotish is the science of light. The word "Jyoti" means light. Jyotish is known

by the names: "Vedic Astrology", "Hindu Astrology" or "Indian Astrology".

 

Jyotish is the science of light and light is a form of energy. Light carries the

information of events with it. When mind registers the light through the eyes,

the event becomes evident to us. In other words, light is one of the main

factors that make the time continuum possible. It brings certain continuity

between events as it carries vital information from one event and enables its

effects. Let us use an example. If a friend, who is sitting next to you, is

suddenly sick, and this information is arrested by arresting the energy that

carries this information, then, you would not realize that your friend is sick.

Imagine something that arrests both the light and sound that it cannot reach

you. In such a case, the effect of his cries for help will not be there on you.

Whereas, the moment you get this information, you will act. It is safe to

presume that light carries information and enables cause and effect. Here light

should be understood as energy. Cause and effect enables time. Time is defined

as the interval between two events. If events do not exist, then, time cannot

exist. In our deep sleep (dreamless sleep) we get a glimpse of no-time

situation. The ancient seers of India recognized these facts and employed them

beautifully into a subject of Jyotish. Jyotish Astrology takes its subject

matter from the very basis of space and time and it does not lack in its

scientific approach.

 

JYOTISH AS A VEDANGA

Vedanga refers to those bodies of knowledge that are the "limbs" to the Vedas.

In other words, it aids in understanding of the Vedas.

It would be important to understand what Vedas are. The word "Veda" means

knowledge. Vedas contain aphorisms to understand the true identity of

ourselves. Many people think Vedas are part of Hindu Religion. It would correct

to say that Hindu Religion has adopted itself from the Vedas. Vedas are

universal and came before the word "Hindu" came into being.

Jyotish is an Vedanga and in its approach it follows the Vedic teaching. Jyotish

cannot go against the Vedas in its teaching or analysis.

Jyotish follows the principle of freedom of choice. It gives individuals the

right to choose in any given situation. The choices always available to an

individual in any given situation of life are:

 

1. To react (anger, jealousy, envy, fear, fight, arrogance, likes, dislikes, etc.)

2. To pro act (do one's action as required by the call of duty, without

involving oneself in the above reactions).

3. Remain calm without any action (Realizing the results are given by the lord,

and accepting them without any reaction)

 

The 2nd choice has all the elements of the 3rd choice. Jyotish as a subject,

never undermines these choices. With these choices, one can change one's

future. With the first choice, one can enhance the difficulties in one's

destiny and with, the second and third choice, one can enhance the quality of

destiny in happiness and success. Each time you make the 2nd or 3rd choice, you

weaken the reactions within yourself. Over a period of time, you stop reacting

at all. Jyotish understands this principle and employs it.

Jyotish never promises a pre destined life. Mother, father, brother, sister may

be predestined but not your future. Your future depends upon the choices.

 

JYOTISH AND ITS ABILITY TO FORESEE THE FUTURE

Most people in the world, neither study the Vedas nor attempt to understand

them. They are not aware that they have the above mentioned choices. They

become mechanical in their thinking and actions. They are easy to predict.

How are such people easy to predict should be understood scientifically. For

example, if a ball is set into motion on a surface whose friction quotient is

known and the force and direction applied to the ball and its dead weight is

known, then, we can calculate in which direction the ball will move and for how

long.

Jyotish uses the same principle. It analyses the planetary forces on an

individual and determines, where it will take that person and for how much

time. If the person does not use the choice (2 or 3), there would be no

interjection to the planetary forces and prediction could be made with ease.

In case the person reacts, the planetary forces get strengthened for the worse

and the event shall happen, probably before the stipulated time.

In case the person uses choice 2 and 3, the planetary forces get interjected and

poor results are either delayed or reduced in magnitude or removed all together.

As science and chaos theory states, tiny imperfections can bring huge amounts of

changes in any system. Similarly, tiny interjections of choices 2 and 3, bring

huge changes over the years.

A person totally free from reactive ness, is very difficult to predict through jyotish.

 

HOW IS JYOTISH HELPFUL

The Jyotish word for planet is "graha". Graha means "the seizer". It can be said

that planets (grahas) seize the individual and tend to "make him/her" react in a

particular manner. Jyotish understands what forces are binding the individual

and harming in the goal of life. Jyotish also checks of possible health

hazards, financial difficulties, problems in associating with other individuals

through marriage, relationship or business. Jyotish makes an individual realize

the choices and helps the individual understand his/her psychological

personality.

Jyotish readies a person for the present and the future. It enhances value to

life of an individual. It help removes many negative traits and its

corresponding problems that might have manifested in the future, had these

traits not been removed.

Jyotish, in effect, is a life changing subject. It relates to everything in a

person's life.Thanks and RegardsBharat

On 10/26/05, anupama888 <anupama888 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello! Shri Bharat and list!Greetings to all!Well, as a curious observer I see

substantiation in Shri Mohan's posting. Just a one-liner ("Vedic astrology is

not a misnomer and very much Vedic") is certainty ill conceived whilst

insufficient as a refutation or rebuttal, and surely goes counter to exhibiting

scientific temper.BTW, Shri Bharat where did you have the open discussions with

Shri Mohan? Would you be kind enough to furnish me the link? Is it on this

forum? I am afraid, Shri Mohan's argument stands; of course, until and unless

if you could prove him otherwise. Yes, if you indeed have the time to peruse

the research findings of some of the leading scholars on Indology, you would

discover great antiquity to Indian Astronomy than to Indian Astrology. Perhaps,

in doing so, you might want to revisit your stance! Shri Bharat, it would be

greatly appreciated, if you are able to substantiate your conviction. Thanks!

Regards, Annuvedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:>> Namaskaar All> > Vedic astrology is not a

misnomer and very much Vedic. I have had open> discussions with Sri Mohan but

somehow he is bent on wanting to proof> something that is only, at best his

assumptions.> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > >

> On 10/25/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Mr.

Karunaakaran Raghavan,> > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

square> > peg in a round hole!> >> > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like

Mesha, Vrisha> > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,> >

Budha, Shani etc.> >> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century>

> BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,> > nakshatra, months

and Uttarayana etc. Even that> > orignial indigenous work neither refers to

Rashis nor> > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!> > In

other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra> > is there, which means

there was no predictive> > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

---> > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --> > in India.

Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and> > that also the so called nirayana

predictive astrology.> > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a>

> round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas> > and the Vedanga

Jyotisha!> >> > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive> > astrology is

Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has> > mentioned more Greek words like

Kullera, Apoklima,> > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.> >> > The

English translation of "Brihat Parashara> > Horashastram" suppoed to have been

written by> > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the> > Greeks

through Varahamihira, since it mentions> > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas

etc. etc. ---> > which could never be of Indian origin, much less> > Sanskrit

origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is> > indebted to Greeks more than to any

Hindu scriptures,> > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may> >

blow!> >> > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such> > hocus

pocus!> >> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against> > the very

spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like> > going on a fishing expedition of

peeping into future> > through astrology. That was actually a full time job> >

of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for> > yourself the "magnificent"

fate of that country for> > such a "glorious" pastime!> >> > I am sure you

would not like India also to have a> > similar destiny!> >> > It maybe news to

you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"> > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an

English> > translation of which is doing the rounds these days,> > wanted the

readers to follow Surya Sidhanta> > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

Ayanamsha> > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you> > have three

ayanamshas being advocated by same> > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition

follows> > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya> > Sidhanta

Ayanamsha whereas the English translator> > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha!

Ironically,all the> > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the> >

three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one> > edition does not agree with

the other in any way! And> > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

his> > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything> > about Ayanamshas

since he has made it catagorically> > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha

Sankrangti are> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!> >> >

Dhanyavad.> > Mohan Jyotishi> >> > > vedic astrology,

KARUNAAKARAM> > > RAAGHAVAM> > > <munisevitham> wrote:> > >> > >

NaNamaste> > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :> > > >If the Sage

Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf> > > Astrology,> > > > that how come Indian

Hindu Astrology could become> > > a> > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?> >

> While my requests for above clarifications till> > > rests> > > with the

list,you have given me an opopportunityo> > > learn that the author's name of

BHBHPSs> > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the> > > question

of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time> > > being.> > >> > > ---

MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > Dear Mr.

KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan> > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage> > >

PrPrashara> believed in astrology!> > > >> > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only

authentic work by> > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work> > >

on> > > astrology by> > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of>

> > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the> > > > seasons but

ironically, there is no mention of any> > > > so> > > > called

ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir> > > > RaRamanaaRashichakra All

that he has done in the> > > > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the> > >

phenomenon> > > > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day> > > of> >

> > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that> > > the> > > > day and

night are equal on that date, and so on.> > > > What> > > > is all the more

surprising is that in that work> > > viz.> > > > ViVishuurana, also, the

nanakshatrahchakratarts> > > from> > > > KrKrittikajust like it started in the

Vedas,> > > instead> > > > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is> > > >

happening these days!> > > >> > > > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted

as a> > > > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the> > > > year,

dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and> > > > the> > > > same thing i.e.

the longest day of the year and> > > > Autumn> > > > Equinox

(HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave> > > been> > > > clubbed together

making it very clear that there> > > is> > > > no> > > > other

TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which> > > days> > > > and nights are

equal!> > > >> > > > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed> > > to>

> > > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara> > > BhBhatotpalaf> > > > Kashmir

had said in his commentary on the> > > BrBrihat>> > > JaJatakamn the seventh

century AD that he had heard> > > > about some PaParashariut it was not

available> > > > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his> > > >

"BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not> > > available in the> > > >

seventh century, how could it be available now> > > that> > > > is> > > > in

the nineteenth century, when he had compiled> > > that> > > > book!> > > >> > >

> The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora> > > ShShastra> that is

avavilalbehese days with original> > > Sanskrit> > > > text is from

VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the> > > > preface of that books states

clearly that it is> > > (not> > > > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown

author> > > > who> > > > has collected different pieces of astrological> > > >

knowledge from different places and then put them> > > > together under the

name of "BrBrihataParasharaora> > > > ShShastra> > > >> > > > (Much like

RaRavanaSamhita> > > >> > > > To add insult to injury, that> > >

"BrBrihataParasharaora> > > > ShShastrawants us to adopt> > >

GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>> > > and> > > > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf> > >

GaGaneshaDaivagyas> > > > a> > > > sixteenth century work!> > > > In other

words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>> > > PrPrasharais a "descendant of

Ganesha DaDaivagya> > > >> > > > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by> >

> SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master> > > KhKhelariaLalnd sons of> > > >

Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi> > > > translation. It is

entirely different from that> > > of> > > > VeVenkateshwarress edition.

However, even> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that> > > work>

> > is by PaParashara> RiRishi> > > >> > > > The present English translation

avavilablen the> > > > market> > > > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam

JhJhand it> > > > prefers a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means> > > PaParashara>

RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a> > > "descendant---a> > > > fofollwerf----

LaLahiri> > > >> > > > And that is that!> > > > DhDhanyavad> > > >

MoMohandyJyotishi>> > > > vevedicstrology@yaom,> > > >

KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >> > > <mumunisevitham...>> > > wrote:> > > > >>

> > > > NaNamaste> > > > >> > > > > I was recently viewing the

MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4> > > > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi>

> > > > version with English caption) ---- in the> > > > beginning> > > > > of>

> > > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata> > > SaSatyavati> > > > > time

flows like a river �� it is better that> > > man> > > > > is> > > > >

unable to read future.What is fate to happen> > > will> > > > > happen,some

times ignorance is bliss and some> > > > times> > > > > prprenowledge is a

cause for sorrow�.fate means> > > > that> > > > > only God knows what is in

store for an> > > individual> > > > > .."> > > > >> > > > > The above purported

didialoguef Sage Veda> > > VyVyason> > > > > of> > > > > Sage PaParasarepicts

Him to be a non believer of> > > > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda

VyVyasas a> > > > non> > > > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father

Patronized> > > > > Astrology?> > > > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non

bebeliverf> > > > Astrology,> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology

could> > > become> > > > a> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?> > > > >>

> > > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my> > > > > doubts.> > > >

>> > > > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Om

nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >> > > > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA>

> > > > >> > > > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi> > > > Kary>

> > > > > Address: 652, NoNorvelltreet, El' CeCerritoCA> > > > > 94530,> > > > >

> USA> > > > > > Phone: 510-938-1570> > > > > > 23 October, Sunday> > > >

> > Time: 11:00 am> > > > > >> > > > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California -

San> > > Francisco> > > > > Bay> > > > > > Area.> > > > > >> > > > > > Topic

for discussion: BrBrihataParasaraora> > > > > ShShastra> > > and PaPanchanga> >

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Actially its simple it is the system of astrology practiced by people in what is

now called India, and it is a vedanga, hence it is Vedic. Actually we should sau

Vaidik not Vedic. Vedic is the word used by ignorant westerners.

-

Bharat Hindu Astrology

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Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:15 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Nothing Vedic or even Hindu about "Vedic astrology"!

Namaskaar AnnuPlease read previous posts by me and him in the list, in which he

abruptly stopped sending messages. Secondly, read the posts by Sri Sreenadh

too.Thanks and RegardsBharat

On 10/26/05, anupama888 <anupama888 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello! Shri Bharat and list!Greetings to all!Well, as a curious observer I see

substantiation in Shri Mohan's posting. Just a one-liner ("Vedic astrology is

not a misnomer and very much Vedic") is certainty ill conceived whilst

insufficient as a refutation or rebuttal, and surely goes counter to exhibiting

scientific temper.BTW, Shri Bharat where did you have the open discussions with

Shri Mohan? Would you be kind enough to furnish me the link? Is it on this

forum? I am afraid, Shri Mohan's argument stands; of course, until and unless

if you could prove him otherwise. Yes, if you indeed have the time to peruse

the research findings of some of the leading scholars on Indology, you would

discover great antiquity to Indian Astronomy than to Indian Astrology. Perhaps,

in doing so, you might want to revisit your stance! Shri Bharat, it would be

greatly appreciated, if you are able to substantiate your conviction. Thanks!

Regards, Annuvedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:>> Namaskaar All> > Vedic astrology is not a

misnomer and very much Vedic. I have had open> discussions with Sri Mohan but

somehow he is bent on wanting to proof> something that is only, at best his

assumptions.> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > >

> On 10/25/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Mr.

Karunaakaran Raghavan,> > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a

square> > peg in a round hole!> >> > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like

Mesha, Vrisha> > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,> >

Budha, Shani etc.> >> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century>

> BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,> > nakshatra, months

and Uttarayana etc. Even that> > orignial indigenous work neither refers to

Rashis nor> > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!> > In

other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra> > is there, which means

there was no predictive> > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE

---> > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --> > in India.

Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and> > that also the so called nirayana

predictive astrology.> > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a>

> round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas> > and the Vedanga

Jyotisha!> >> > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive> > astrology is

Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has> > mentioned more Greek words like

Kullera, Apoklima,> > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.> >> > The

English translation of "Brihat Parashara> > Horashastram" suppoed to have been

written by> > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the> > Greeks

through Varahamihira, since it mentions> > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas

etc. etc. ---> > which could never be of Indian origin, much less> > Sanskrit

origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is> > indebted to Greeks more than to any

Hindu scriptures,> > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may> >

blow!> >> > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such> > hocus

pocus!> >> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against> > the very

spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like> > going on a fishing expedition of

peeping into future> > through astrology. That was actually a full time job> >

of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for> > yourself the "magnificent"

fate of that country for> > such a "glorious" pastime!> >> > I am sure you

would not like India also to have a> > similar destiny!> >> > It maybe news to

you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"> > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an

English> > translation of which is doing the rounds these days,> > wanted the

readers to follow Surya Sidhanta> > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the

Ayanamsha> > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you> > have three

ayanamshas being advocated by same> > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition

follows> > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya> > Sidhanta

Ayanamsha whereas the English translator> > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha!

Ironically,all the> > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the> >

three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one> > edition does not agree with

the other in any way! And> > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in

his> > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything> > about Ayanamshas

since he has made it catagorically> > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha

Sankrangti are> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!> >> >

Dhanyavad.> > Mohan Jyotishi> >> > > vedic astrology,

KARUNAAKARAM> > > RAAGHAVAM> > > <munisevitham> wrote:> > >> > >

NaNamaste> > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :> > > >If the Sage

Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf> > > Astrology,> > > > that how come Indian

Hindu Astrology could become> > > a> > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?> >

> While my requests for above clarifications till> > > rests> > > with the

list,you have given me an opopportunityo> > > learn that the author's name of

BHBHPSs> > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the> > > question

of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time> > > being.> > >> > > ---

MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > Dear Mr.

KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan> > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage> > >

PrPrashara> believed in astrology!> > > >> > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only

authentic work by> > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work> > >

on> > > astrology by> > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of>

> > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the> > > > seasons but

ironically, there is no mention of any> > > > so> > > > called

ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir> > > > RaRamanaaRashichakra All

that he has done in the> > > > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the> > >

phenomenon> > > > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day> > > of> >

> > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that> > > the> > > > day and

night are equal on that date, and so on.> > > > What> > > > is all the more

surprising is that in that work> > > viz.> > > > ViVishuurana, also, the

nanakshatrahchakratarts> > > from> > > > KrKrittikajust like it started in the

Vedas,> > > instead> > > > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is> > > >

happening these days!> > > >> > > > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted

as a> > > > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the> > > > year,

dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and> > > > the> > > > same thing i.e.

the longest day of the year and> > > > Autumn> > > > Equinox

(HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave> > > been> > > > clubbed together

making it very clear that there> > > is> > > > no> > > > other

TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which> > > days> > > > and nights are

equal!> > > >> > > > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed> > > to>

> > > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara> > > BhBhatotpalaf> > > > Kashmir

had said in his commentary on the> > > BrBrihat>> > > JaJatakamn the seventh

century AD that he had heard> > > > about some PaParashariut it was not

available> > > > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his> > > >

"BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not> > > available in the> > > >

seventh century, how could it be available now> > > that> > > > is> > > > in

the nineteenth century, when he had compiled> > > that> > > > book!> > > >> > >

> The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora> > > ShShastra> that is

avavilalbehese days with original> > > Sanskrit> > > > text is from

VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the> > > > preface of that books states

clearly that it is> > > (not> > > > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown

author> > > > who> > > > has collected different pieces of astrological> > > >

knowledge from different places and then put them> > > > together under the

name of "BrBrihataParasharaora> > > > ShShastra> > > >> > > > (Much like

RaRavanaSamhita> > > >> > > > To add insult to injury, that> > >

"BrBrihataParasharaora> > > > ShShastrawants us to adopt> > >

GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>> > > and> > > > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf> > >

GaGaneshaDaivagyas> > > > a> > > > sixteenth century work!> > > > In other

words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>> > > PrPrasharais a "descendant of

Ganesha DaDaivagya> > > >> > > > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by> >

> SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master> > > KhKhelariaLalnd sons of> > > >

Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi> > > > translation. It is

entirely different from that> > > of> > > > VeVenkateshwarress edition.

However, even> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that> > > work>

> > is by PaParashara> RiRishi> > > >> > > > The present English translation

avavilablen the> > > > market> > > > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam

JhJhand it> > > > prefers a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means> > > PaParashara>

RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a> > > "descendant---a> > > > fofollwerf----

LaLahiri> > > >> > > > And that is that!> > > > DhDhanyavad> > > >

MoMohandyJyotishi>> > > > vevedicstrology@yaom,> > > >

KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >> > > <mumunisevitham...>> > > wrote:> > > > >>

> > > > NaNamaste> > > > >> > > > > I was recently viewing the

MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4> > > > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi>

> > > > version with English caption) ---- in the> > > > beginning> > > > > of>

> > > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata> > > SaSatyavati> > > > > time

flows like a river �� it is better that> > > man> > > > > is> > > > >

unable to read future.What is fate to happen> > > will> > > > > happen,some

times ignorance is bliss and some> > > > times> > > > > prprenowledge is a

cause for sorrow�.fate means> > > > that> > > > > only God knows what is in

store for an> > > individual> > > > > ."> > > > >> > > > > The above purported

didialoguef Sage Veda> > > VyVyason> > > > > of> > > > > Sage PaParasarepicts

Him to be a non believer of> > > > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda

VyVyasas a> > > > non> > > > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father

Patronized> > > > > Astrology?> > > > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non

bebeliverf> > > > Astrology,> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology

could> > > become> > > > a> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?> > > > >>

> > > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my> > > > > doubts.> > > >

>> > > > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Om

nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >> > > > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA>

> > > > >> > > > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi> > > > Kary>

> > > > > Address: 652, NoNorvelltreet, El' CeCerritoCA> > > > > 94530,> > > > >

> USA> > > > > > Phone: 510-938-1570> > > > > > 23 October, Sunday> > > >

> > Time: 11:00 am> > > > > >> > > > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California -

San> > > Francisco> > > > > Bay> > > > > > Area.> > > > > >> > > > > > Topic

for discussion: BrBrihataParasaraora> > > > > ShShastra> > > and PaPanchanga> >

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Also, will the job be in India or abroad? Which direction?

Will be grateful to all Gurujis! Thanks.

Regards,

JayOn 10/26/05, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology > wrote:

Namaskaar Annu

Once he is caught up in a web of logic, he simply starts a new thread.

This is his modus operandi. To those who come in late, think that it is

a new discussion. First it was Sri Avtar Kishen Kaul and now him. They

take turns in sending such emails.

Their only contention is that Ayanamsha should not be used. My

contention is whether or not Ayanamsha is used, astrology is Vedic and

Hindu. For me to be hindu, the word Hindu need not be contained in the

Vedas. For me to be Vedic, I need to have adopted the Veda. I am Vedic

(Hindu is a given name and therefore should not be used). The Astrology

follows the Veda. Here is the article that I gave earlier for your

benefit is again given. This is also for those who talk about science

and are in least scientific.

Having read the article, below why should I not call astrology Vedic.

It is my custom, tradition and it is resonant with the Veda. Who is Sri

Mohan or Sri Kaul to stop me or anyone from calling it Vedic? The self

promoters of what should or should not be called Vedic?

Having said this, this is my last post on the subject as it appears to

me as if these people are trying to promote Arya Samaj over Sanatana

Dharma, etc... I am party to neither. I study Veda and Jyotish only to

help further my understanding and not in any power struggle.

To believe in something or not to believe in something without adequate know-how

is superstition. Please read below:

YOTISH : THE SCIENCE OF LIGHT

Jyotish is the science of light. The word "Jyoti" means light. Jyotish is known

by the names: "Vedic Astrology", "Hindu Astrology" or "Indian Astrology".

 

Jyotish

is the science of light and light is a form of energy. Light carries

the information of events with it. When mind registers the light

through the eyes, the event becomes evident to us. In other words,

light is one of the main factors that make the time continuum possible.

It brings certain continuity between events as it carries vital

information from one event and enables its effects. Let us

use an example. If a friend, who is sitting next to you, is suddenly

sick, and this information is arrested by arresting the energy that

carries this information, then, you would not realize that your friend

is sick. Imagine something that arrests both the light and sound that

it cannot reach you. In such a case, the effect of his cries for help

will not be there on you. Whereas, the moment you get this information,

you will act. It is safe to presume that light carries information and

enables cause and effect. Here light should be understood as energy. Cause

and effect enables time. Time is defined as the interval between two

events. If events do not exist, then, time cannot exist. In our deep

sleep (dreamless sleep) we get a glimpse of no-time situation. The

ancient seers of India recognized these facts and employed them

beautifully into a subject of Jyotish. Jyotish Astrology takes its

subject matter from the very basis of space and time and it does not

lack in its scientific approach.

 

JYOTISH AS A VEDANGA

Vedanga

refers to those bodies of knowledge that are the "limbs" to the Vedas.

In other words, it aids in understanding of the Vedas.

It

would be important to understand what Vedas are. The word "Veda" means

knowledge. Vedas contain aphorisms to understand the true identity of

ourselves. Many people think Vedas are part of Hindu Religion. It would

correct to say that Hindu Religion has adopted itself from the Vedas.

Vedas are universal and came before the word "Hindu" came into being.

Jyotish

is an Vedanga and in its approach it follows the Vedic teaching.

Jyotish cannot go against the Vedas in its teaching or analysis.

Jyotish

follows the principle of freedom of choice. It gives individuals the

right to choose in any given situation. The choices always available to

an individual in any given situation of life are:

 

1. To react (anger, jealousy, envy, fear, fight, arrogance, likes, dislikes, etc.)

2. To pro act (do one's action as required by the call of duty, without

involving oneself in the above reactions).

3. Remain calm without any action (Realizing the results are given by the lord,

and accepting them without any reaction)

 

The

2nd choice has all the elements of the 3rd choice. Jyotish as a

subject, never undermines these choices. With these choices, one can

change one's future. With the first choice, one can enhance the

difficulties in one's destiny and with, the second and third choice,

one can enhance the quality of destiny in happiness and success. Each

time you make the 2nd or 3rd choice, you weaken the reactions within

yourself. Over a period of time, you stop reacting at all. Jyotish

understands this principle and employs it.

Jyotish

never promises a pre destined life. Mother, father, brother, sister may

be predestined but not your future. Your future depends upon the

choices.

 

JYOTISH AND ITS ABILITY TO FORESEE THE FUTURE

Most

people in the world, neither study the Vedas nor attempt to understand

them. They are not aware that they have the above mentioned choices.

They become mechanical in their thinking and actions. They are easy to

predict.

How

are such people easy to predict should be understood scientifically.

For example, if a ball is set into motion on a surface whose friction

quotient is known and the force and direction applied to the ball and

its dead weight is known, then, we can calculate in which direction the

ball will move and for how long.

Jyotish

uses the same principle. It analyses the planetary forces on an

individual and determines, where it will take that person and for how

much time. If the person does not use the choice (2 or 3), there would

be no interjection to the planetary forces and prediction could be made

with ease.

In

case the person reacts, the planetary forces get strengthened for the

worse and the event shall happen, probably before the stipulated time.

In

case the person uses choice 2 and 3, the planetary forces get

interjected and poor results are either delayed or reduced in magnitude

or removed all together. As science and chaos theory states, tiny

imperfections can bring huge amounts of changes in any system.

Similarly, tiny interjections of choices 2 and 3, bring huge changes

over the years.

A person totally free from reactive ness, is very difficult to predict through jyotish.

 

HOW IS JYOTISH HELPFUL

The

Jyotish word for planet is "graha". Graha means "the seizer". It can be

said that planets (grahas) seize the individual and tend to "make

him/her" react in a particular manner. Jyotish understands what forces

are binding the individual and harming in the goal of life. Jyotish

also checks of possible health hazards, financial difficulties,

problems in associating with other individuals through marriage,

relationship or business. Jyotish makes an individual realize the

choices and helps the individual understand his/her psychological

personality.

Jyotish

readies a person for the present and the future. It enhances value to

life of an individual. It help removes many negative traits and its

corresponding problems that might have manifested in the future, had

these traits not been removed.

Jyotish, in effect, is a life changing subject. It relates to everything in a person's life.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 10/26/05, anupama888 <

anupama888 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello! Shri Bharat and list!

Greetings to all!

Well, as a curious observer I see substantiation in Shri Mohan's

posting. Just a one-liner ("Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and

very much Vedic") is certainty ill conceived whilst insufficient as

a refutation or rebuttal, and surely goes counter to exhibiting

scientific temper.

BTW, Shri Bharat where did you have the open discussions with Shri

Mohan? Would you be kind enough to furnish me the link? Is it on

this forum?

I am afraid, Shri Mohan's argument stands; of course, until and

unless if you could prove him otherwise. Yes, if you indeed have the

time to peruse the research findings of some of the leading scholars

on Indology, you would discover great antiquity to Indian Astronomy

than to Indian Astrology. Perhaps, in doing so, you might want to

revisit your stance! Shri Bharat, it would be greatly appreciated,

if you are able to substantiate your conviction. Thanks!

Regards,

Annu

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar All

>

> Vedic astrology is not a misnomer and very much Vedic. I have had

open

> discussions with Sri Mohan but somehow he is bent on wanting to

proof

> something that is only, at best his assumptions.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 10/25/05, Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr. Karunaakaran Raghavan,

> > "Vedic astrology" is actually a misnomer and a square

> > peg in a round hole!

> >

> > The Vedas do not contain Rashis like Mesha, Vrisha

> > etc. nor is there any mention of planets like Mangal,

> > Budha, Shani etc.

> >

> > "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a treatise of thirteenth century

> > BCE which gives the methods of calculating mean tithi,

> > nakshatra, months and Uttarayana etc. Even that

> > orignial indigenous work neither refers to Rashis nor

> > to planets right from Budha to Rahu -- both inclusive!

> > In other words, just the mention of Surya and Chandra

> > is there, which means there was no predictive

> > astrology even as late as thirteenth Centruy BCE ---

> > Not to speak of the Vedic period of about 3000 BCE --

> > in India. Obviusly, to call predictive astrology, and

> > that also the so called nirayana predictive astrology.

> > as "Vedic" or "Vedanga Jyotisha" is a square peg in a

> > round hole, much against the very spriti of the Vedas

> > and the Vedanga Jyotisha!

> >

> > Thus the very first Indian work of predictive

> > astrology is Brihat Jatakam by Varahamihira and he has

> > mentioned more Greek words like Kullera, Apoklima,

> > Panaphara etc. etc. than Sanskrit in them.

> >

> > The English translation of "Brihat Parashara

> > Horashastram" suppoed to have been written by

> > Parashara Rishi also shows its indebtedness to the

> > Greeks through Varahamihira, since it mentions

> > Sunapha, Anapaha and Durdhura Yogas etc. etc. ---

> > which could never be of Indian origin, much less

> > Sanskrit origin. Evidently, Indian astrology is

> > indebted to Greeks more than to any Hindu scriptures,

> > much less to Parashara Rishi, whatever trumpets we may

> > blow!

> >

> > "Ravana Samhita" is a "magnificent" example of such

> > hocus pocus!

> >

> > As a matter of fact, predictive astrology is against

> > the very spirit of Hindu scriptures since it is like

> > going on a fishing expedition of peeping into future

> > through astrology. That was actually a full time job

> > of Babylon in about 4000 BCE, and just see for

> > yourself the "magnificent" fate of that country for

> > such a "glorious" pastime!

> >

> > I am sure you would not like India also to have a

> > similar destiny!

> >

> > It maybe news to you that Sitaram Jha, the "creator"

> > of "Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram", an English

> > translation of which is doing the rounds these days,

> > wanted the readers to follow Surya Sidhanta

> > calculations/ayanamsha, since that was the Ayanamsha

> > Mr. Jha had found giving correct results! Thus you

> > have three ayanamshas being advocated by same

> > "Parashara" -- The Mumbai edition follows

> > Grahalaghava Ayanamsha; Sita Ram Jha follows Surya

> > Sidhanta Ayanamsha whereas the English translator

> > follows Lahiri Ayabnamsha! Ironically,all the

> > jyotishis are finding correct results from all the

> > three ayanamshas--nay even editions, though one

> > edition does not agree with the other in any way! And

> > as already seen, the original Parashara Rishi, in his

> > original Vishnu Purana, did not even know anything

> > about Ayanamshas since he has made it catagorically

> > clear that Vasant Sampat and Mesha Sankrangti are

> > synonyms and so ae Utarayana and Makar Sankranti etc.!

> >

> > Dhanyavad.

> > Mohan Jyotishi

> >

> > > vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM

> > > RAAGHAVAM

> > > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > NaNamaste

> > > Thanks for your mail.My quest is to know :

> > > >If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebelieverf

> > > Astrology,

> > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could become

> > > a

> > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > While my requests for above clarifications till

> > > rests

> > > with the list,you have given me an opopportunityo

> > > learn that the author's name of BHBHPSs

> > > debatable.Since BPBPHServes my purpose,I shelve the

> > > question of who authored it[bHBHPSfor the time

> > > being.

> > >

> > > --- MoMohanyJyotishijyjyotishi1> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. KaKarunaakaranaRaghavan

> > > > How on earth did you get the idea that sage

> > > PrPrashara> believed in astrology!

> > > >

> > > > The Vishnu Purana, the only authentic work by

> > > > MaMaharshi> PaParasharaoes not refer to any work

> > > on

> > > astrology by

> > > > sage PaParashara On the other hand, it is full of

> > > > astronomical discussions about RaRasichakrand the

> > > > seasons but ironically, there is no mention of any

> > > > so

> > > > called ninirayanaaRashichakramuch less a LaLahirir

> > > > RaRamanaaRashichakra All that he has done in the

> > > > Vishnu Purana is discussed thoroughly the

> > > phenomenon

> > > > of seasons and declared MeMeshaaSankantis the day

> > > of

> > > > Spring Equinox -- mentioning specifically that

> > > the

> > > > day and night are equal on that date, and so on.

> > > > What

> > > > is all the more surprising is that in that work

> > > viz.

> > > > ViVishuurana, also, the nanakshatrahchakratarts

> > > from

> > > > KrKrittikajust like it started in the Vedas,

> > > instead

> > > > of from the so called AsAshviniivision, as is

> > > > happening these days!

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, MaMakaraSankrantias been depicted as a

> > > > synonym of the UtUttarayanathe shortest day of the

> > > > year, dadakshinayanand KaKarkataSankantire one and

> > > > the

> > > > same thing i.e. the longest day of the year and

> > > > Autumn

> > > > Equinox (HeHemantaSampatand TuTulaaSankrantiave

> > > been

> > > > clubbed together making it very clear that there

> > > is

> > > > no

> > > > other TuTulaaSankrantixcepting the one on which

> > > days

> > > > and nights are equal!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding BrBrihatrPrasharaora ShShastrasupposed

> > > to

> > > > have been written by "Sage PrPrashara

> > > BhBhatotpalaf

> > > > Kashmir had said in his commentary on the

> > > BrBrihat>

> > > JaJatakamn the seventh century AD that he had heard

> > > > about some PaParashariut it was not available

> > > > anywhere! That is why S. B. DiDikshitn his

> > > > "BhBharatiya> JyJyotishsays that if it was not

> > > available in the

> > > > seventh century, how could it be available now

> > > that

> > > > is

> > > > in the nineteenth century, when he had compiled

> > > that

> > > > book!

> > > >

> > > > The earliest edition of BrBrihatrPrasharaora

> > > ShShastra> that is avavilalbehese days with original

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > text is from VeVenkateshwararess, Bombay, and the

> > > > preface of that books states clearly that it is

> > > (not

> > > > by MaMaharshiaParasharaut) by some unknown author

> > > > who

> > > > has collected different pieces of astrological

> > > > knowledge from different places and then put them

> > > > together under the name of "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > > > ShShastra

> > > >

> > > > (Much like RaRavanaSamhita

> > > >

> > > > To add insult to injury, that

> > > "BrBrihataParasharaora

> > > > ShShastrawants us to adopt

> > > GrGrahalaghavayAyanamsha>

> > > and

> > > > asaseverybodynows, GrGrahaghavaf

> > > GaGaneshaDaivagyas

> > > > a

> > > > sixteenth century work!

> > > > In other words, "MaMaharshiaParasharf BrBrihat>

> > > PrPrasharais a "descendant of Ganesha DaDaivagya

> > > >

> > > > Then there is ananotehraParashariritten by

> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> and pupulbishedy Master

> > > KhKhelariaLalnd sons of

> > > > Varanasi with original Sanskrit shshlokasnd Hindi

> > > > translation. It is entirely different from that

> > > of

> > > > VeVenkateshwarress edition. However, even

> > > SiSitaram> JhJha> has not said anywhere that that

> > > work

> > > is by PaParashara> RiRishi

> > > >

> > > > The present English translation avavilablen the

> > > > market

> > > > is the one of the same work of SiSitaam JhJhand it

> > > > prefers a LaLahiraRayanamshawhich means

> > > PaParashara> RiRishif that BrBrihataParasharis a

> > > "descendant---a

> > > > fofollwerf---- LaLahiri

> > > >

> > > > And that is that!

> > > > DhDhanyavad

> > > > MoMohandyJyotishi>

> > > > vevedicstrology@yaom,

> > > > KAKARUNAAKARAM> > RARAAGHAVAM> >

> > > <mumunisevitham...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > NaNamaste

> > > > >

> > > > > I was recently viewing the MAMAHAHBHARATpisode 4

> > > > > filmed by B.R.ChChpra Ravi Chopra( Epic's Hindi

> > > > > version with English caption) ---- in the

> > > > beginning

> > > > > of

> > > > > the 4ththpisode Sage VyVyasays to Mata

> > > SaSatyavati

> > > > > time flows like a river �� it is better that

> > > man

> > > > > is

> > > > > unable to read future.What is fate to happen

> > > will

> > > > > happen,some times ignorance is bliss and some

> > > > times

> > > > > prprenowledge is a cause for sorrow�.fate means

> > > > that

> > > > > only God knows what is in store for an

> > > individual

> > > > > .."

> > > > >

> > > > > The above purported didialoguef Sage Veda

> > > VyVyason

> > > > > of

> > > > > Sage PaParasarepicts Him to be a non believer of

> > > > > Astrology ! Is it tuturehat Sage Veda VyVyasas a

> > > > non

> > > > > bebeliverf Astrology? While is father Patronized

> > > > > Astrology?

> > > > > If the Sage Veda VyVyass a non bebeliverf

> > > > Astrology,

> > > > > that how come Indian Hindu Astrology could

> > > become

> > > > a

> > > > > VeVedaganga VeVedic Astrology ! ?

> > > > >

> > > > > I request the veteran Astrologers to clarify my

> > > > > doubts.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Gail Francisco <gagailfrancisco...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Om nanamohbhagavateavasyudevaya> > >

> > > > > > VyVyasaJSJCircle, California, USA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JyJyotishuru's: Freedom Tobias Cole & Lakshmi

> > > > Kary

> > > > > > Address: 652, NoNorvelltreet, El' CeCerritoCA

> > > > > 94530,

> > > > > > USA

> > > > > > Phone: 510-938-1570

> > > > > > 23 October, Sunday

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > VyVyasatudy circle in California - San

> > > Francisco

> > > > > Bay

> > > > > > Area.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Topic for discussion: BrBrihataParasaraora

> > > > > ShShastra> > > and PaPanchanga> > > Please bring

> > > a

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