Re:Reincarnation news - Any idea / information??

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Mohan Jyotishi,

 

The fetus is not dead.

A tumor growing in a patient’s body is also not dead.

It is as alive as can be.

 

We are talking about "soul".

Life and Soul are not the same thing.

 

Rema

 

 

--- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231 wrote:

 

> Madam Rema Menon,

> You say "it (descent of soul into human body) could

> be

> any time before the birth". It is impossible for

> the

> "fetus" or "the collection of cells" or whatever you

> call it to remain "unconscious/dead/inert" tlll the

> last moment. All the encyclopeadic articles say

> that

> the mother starts to feel the "movement in the womb"

> latest by the fifth month. Do you mean to say that

> they have drawn those conclusions without any

> "scientific basis"?

> Regards,

> Mohan Jyotishi

>

> --- jyotishi231 <jyotishi231 wrote:

>

> > vedic astrology, Rema Menon

> > <remamenon> wrote:

> >

> > Mohan Jyotishi,

> >

> > There are always cells dividing and forming

> tissues

> > in

> > the human body. They are alive. Every living cell

> > does

> > not need to have a soul.

> >

> > You cannot call the sperm, the ova or the embryo a

> > person.

> > It is all part of the developmental stages of the

> > fetus, which is not physiologically any different

> > from

> > the various other developments going on in the

> human

> > body, though the division is meiotic and not

> > mitotic.

> > That doesn't require it to have a soul.

> >

> > At some stage this growing mass of differentiated

> > cells becomes a person. The exact time of this

> > transformation has not been scientifically

> studied.

> > It

> > could be any time before the birth.

> >

> > Thank you.

> > Rema

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Mohan Jyotishi <jyotishi231> wrote:

> >

> > > Shri Dhira Krsna Dasa,

> > > Jai Shri Krishna!

> > >

> > > I think I have made it already very clear that

> > > neither

> > > am I a non-believer in rebirth nor am I

> > > against a scientific discussion on this subject.

> > >

> > > All I am saying is that we should consider the

> > > following points:

> > > 1. It is worthwhile to note that the embryo --

> > > known

> > > as a sperm in the intial stage---itself even at

> > the

> > > time of conception is alive and only when it

> gets

> > > into

> > > the ovum does preganancy take place! A dead

> sperm

> > or

> > > a

> > > sperm in "suspended animation" has no chance

> among

> > > billions of other sperms to impregnate a womb.

> > Thus

> > > it

> > > could not have been Manisha as a sperm, since

> she

> > > died

> > > about six months after conception.

> > >

> > > 2. Out of the total gestation period of nine

> > months,

> > > the embryo/foetus gains (in fact re-awakens to)

> > > consciousness latest by the end of fourth month

> > and

> > > is

> > > alive and kicking immediately after that. Even

> if

> > we

> > > presume that "Manisha" had some "yogic powers"

> --

> > > which she never claimed!--she could not remain

> > > "dead"

> > > or at least in "suspended animation" in her

> > mother's

> > > womb for about six months and be born just

> within

> > > three months after her death in the previous

> > birth.

> > > Thus even if it is presumed that she entered an

> > > embryo

> > > which was already in the womb and waiting for

> her,

> > > it

> > > could not have been later than by the end of

> > fourth

> > > month of conception.

> > > 3. It is an impossibility as per biological

> > sciences

> > > that a "dead foetus" can remain in the womb for

> > six

> > > months from the date of conception and then gain

> > > consciousness all of a sudden! Thus the

> gestation

> > > period from the date of conception should

> > certainly

> > > have been at least nine months but not less than

> > > seven

> > > months in any case!

> > > What you or I have heard about such cases does

> not

> > > matter since my grandmother used to tell me

> > hundreds

> > > of such stories in my childhood and I believed

> > > everyone of them then! The point is what cannot

> > be

> > > substantiated logically and scientifically, has

> to

> > > be

> > > given up, at least to be shelved for the time

> > being!

> > >

> > > Therefore, all I am requesting is that we should

> > not

> > > fall into traps of such astro-gurus who hide the

> > > facts

> > > from us deliberately.

> > > Jai Shri Krishan.

> > > Mohan Jyotishi

> > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Dhira

> > > Krsna

> > > > BCS"

> > > > <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohan,

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna.

> > > >

> > > > >Either deliberately or unwittingly they just

> > did

> > > > not

> > > > >try to solve the puzzle as to how the girl

> > could

> > > > >"re-incarnate" within less than four months

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > >date of her death!

> > > >

> > > > It may sound unbelievable to you, but I've

> heard

> > > of

> > > > more of those cases,

> > > > even those where only a couple of months is in

> > > > between. I guess we have to

> > > > reconsider our scriptural references where it

> is

> > > > stated that the soul

> > > > enters the body at the time of conception, and

> > is

> > > > dumb from one day to the

> > > > other. No, the soul at that time is in a more

> > > subtle

> > > > sphere, and what is

> > > > possible also is that the soul who was already

> > in

> > > > the foetus may have

> > > > decided to leave and another soul comes in.

> > There

> > > is

> > > > more on the subtle

> > > > platform than we can imagine!

> > > >

> > > > E.g. I have read the story also about some

> > > children

> > > > who in the early

> > > > childhood remembered they were together in the

> > > womb

> > > > as twins, and one of

> > > > them decided to not get born, because he

> didn't

> > > want

> > > > to get the body of a

> > > > girl, and so left, and was born some time

> later

>

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