Aryan_Invasion_Sri_Aurobindo_Some changes in Theories

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Just adding few more lines to already convincing write up by other

members.

 

The Aryan invasion theory was fundamentally very weak and should

have been outright rejected at first level itself.

 

Reason, going by the proposed aryan invasion logic, prior to their

invasion to Hinduland, they should have established a prosperous

culture or civilization elsewhere !!

 

No where ( read NOW-WHERE ) in the entire history or archaeological

findings till date, anyone finding a evidence of a culture or

civilization existing.

 

My father has been an archeaologist and conservation expert, served

the Archaeological Survey of India for over 50 years, still sought /

consulted on various "Hindu-Nomics".

 

I would recommend interested serious members of this forum to read

slowly and carefully the power packed book by Sri Aurobindo

titled "Foundations of Hindu culture or Civilization" published by

Sri Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry. It is printed on manifold paper

in small font, fits gracefully into a shirt pocket- good travel

companion !! - In this book he simply 'questions' and royally

blasts the theory of aryan invasion. while reading one would come

across very unknown concepts of Hindu religion, with great insight

he explains the significance also in most of the cases. ( I have

reproduced the book title from my memory of having read this about

25 years before, hence, will check the exact title of the book and

get back ). Even today this book must not be above Indian Rs. 150/=

 

Sri Aurobindo has his own unique style of writing and choices his

words carefully, most likely one need to read this book word by

word, takes a while to understand the meaning.

 

I have been very fortunate to interact with some of the direct

disciples of Sri Aurobindo, Sri Juddu Krishnamurty ( directly ).

 

 

 

srinivas

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Sanjay

>

> A few of my thoughts, please do not take it to be preaching or a

lecture:

>

> This is the bane of our nation. Other people write stuff that

divides our

> people. Aryan-Dravidian divide, language divide, caste divide,

religion

> divide and who benefits? - Some selfish invader or some vile

politicians.

>

> Veda is not a religion. Veda is a book and can be adopted by

anyone and at

> anytime. It is meant to be studied and understood. No conversion is

> required.

>

> I often say that at one time all of the people in today's India,

Pakistan

> and perhaps Afghanistan were part of the same Vedic culture. This

is before

> the pre-islamic time. How come, then, people started fighting born

of the

> same culture? To my understanding, it is the invaders who forcibly

converted

> and divided our people to make sure rebellion and resistance isn't

strong. I

> will not blame the invaders for the same, it is our own fault that

we

> continue to believe in such divisions.

>

> Yoga means to unite and all we are doing is divide.

>

> Similarly, Varna Dharma was not meant to divide people but to make

sure one

> works according to one's own nature. Today, it has been a

political issue.

> One person recently commented that we should drop Shlokas from the

Vedas

> which refer to casteism (when there is only varnas as a

description of

> people born under influence of different gunas)!

>

> In effect, atleast I would not let my thinking be divisional in

this manner.

> For me, there is no divide between Aryan-Dravidian or any other.

>

> For people who continue to believe so, it is more of question of

education

> and not of fight.

>

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> On 10/8/05, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > Some of you must have already read similar articles.

> >

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history5.sht

ml

> > Part of the article is pasted below.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > *

> > The Aryan Invasion Theory*

> > One of the most controversial ideas about Hindu history is the

Aryan

> > invasion theory.

> >

> > This theory, originally devised by F. Max Muller in 1848, traces

the

> > history of Hinduism to the invasion of India's indigenous people

by lighter

> > skinned Aryans around 1500 BCE.

> >

> > The theory was reinforced by other research over the next 120

years, and

> > became the accepted history of Hinduism, not only in the West

but in India.

> >

> > There is now ample evidence to show that Muller, and those who

followed

> > him, were wrong.

> >

> > *Why is the theory no longer accepted?*

> > The Aryan invasion theory was based on archaeological,

linguistic and

> > ethnological evidence.

> >

> > Later research has either discredited this evidence, or provided

new

> > evidence that combined with the earlier evidence makes other

explanations

> > more likely.

> >

> > Modern historians of the area no longer believe that such

invasions had

> > such great influence on Indian history. It's now generally

accepted that

> > Indian history shows a continuity of progress from the earliest

times to

> > today.

> >

> > The changes brought to India by other cultures are not denied by

modern

> > historians, but they are no longer thought to be a major

ingredient in the

> > development of Hinduism.

> >

> > *Dangers of the theory*

> > The Aryan invasion theory denies the Indian origin of India's

predominant

> > culture, but gives the credit for Indian culture to invaders

from elsewhere.

> >

> >

> > It even teaches that some of the most revered books of Hindu

scripture are

> > not actually Indian, and it devalues India's culture by

portraying it as

> > less ancient than it actually is.

> >

> > The theory was not just wrong, it included unacceptably racist

ideas:

> >

> > - it suggested that Indian culture was not a culture in its

own

> > right, but a synthesis of elements from other cultures

> > - it implied that Hinduism was not an authentically Indian

religion

> > but the result of cultural imperialism

> > - it suggested that Indian culture was static, and only

changed

> > under outside influences

> > - it suggested that the dark-skinned Dravidian people of the

South

> > of India had got their faith from light-skinned Aryan invaders

> > - it implied that indigenous people were incapable of

creatively

> > developing their faith

> > - it suggested that indigenous peoples could only acquire new

> > religious and cultural ideas from other races, by invasion or

other

> > processes

> > - it accepted that race was a biologically based concept

(rather

> > than, at least in part, a social construct) that provided a

sensible way of

> > ranking people in a hierarchy, which provided a partial basis

for the caste

> > system

> > - it provided a basis for racism in the Imperial context by

> > suggesting that the peoples of Northern India were descended

from invaders

> > from Europe and so racially closer to the British Raj

> > - it gave a historical precedent to justify the role and

status of

> > the British Raj, who could argue that they were transforming

India for the

> > better in the same way that the Aryans had done thousands of

years earlier

> > - it downgraded the intellectual status of India and its

people by

> > giving a falsely late date to elements of Indian science and

culture

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Abundant literature by quaified Archaeologists and historians are available. Do

you know that once upon a time Karthikeya was the main deity worshipped across

the NW and Middle India up to : Takshasila to Almora and to south up to

Devagiri and Ujjain.

 

Why do you think the Gupta emperors were Kumara, Skanda etc but today Kumara or

Kartikeya name is not heard anywhere in North India?

 

Immense cultural evidences can be quoted to suggest Invasion of Vedic Brahminism

from North to South.

 

SuryaSre_eram <sreeram64 (AT) satyam (DOT) net.in> wrote:

Just adding few more lines to already convincing write up by other members.The

Aryan invasion theory was fundamentally very weak and should have been outright

rejected at first level itself. Reason, going by the proposed aryan invasion

logic, prior to their invasion to Hinduland, they should have established a

prosperous culture or civilization elsewhere !! No where ( read NOW-WHERE ) in

the entire history or archaeological findings till date, anyone finding a

evidence of a culture or civilization existing.My father has been an

archeaologist and conservation expert, served the Archaeological Survey of

India for over 50 years, still sought / consulted on various "Hindu-Nomics".I

would recommend interested serious members of this forum to read slowly and

carefully the power

packed book by Sri Aurobindo titled "Foundations of Hindu culture or

Civilization" published by Sri Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry. It is printed on

manifold paper in small font, fits gracefully into a shirt pocket- good travel

companion !! - In this book he simply 'questions' and royally blasts the

theory of aryan invasion. while reading one would come across very unknown

concepts of Hindu religion, with great insight he explains the significance

also in most of the cases. ( I have reproduced the book title from my memory

of having read this about 25 years before, hence, will check the exact title of

the book and get back ). Even today this book must not be above Indian Rs.

150/=Sri Aurobindo has his own unique style of writing and choices his words

carefully, most likely one need to read this book word by word, takes a while

to understand the meaning. I have been very

fortunate to interact with some of the direct disciples of Sri Aurobindo, Sri

Juddu Krishnamurty ( directly ).srinivasvedic astrology,

Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:>> Namaskaar Sri Sanjay> > A

few of my thoughts, please do not take it to be preaching or a lecture:> > This

is the bane of our nation. Other people write stuff that divides our> people.

Aryan-Dravidian divide, language divide, caste divide, religion> divide and who

benefits? - Some selfish invader or some vile politicians.> > Veda is not a

religion. Veda is a book and can be adopted by anyone and at> anytime. It is

meant to be studied and understood. No conversion is> required.> > I often say

that at one time all of the people in today's India, Pakistan> and perhaps

Afghanistan were part of the same Vedic

culture. This is before> the pre-islamic time. How come, then, people started

fighting born of the> same culture? To my understanding, it is the invaders who

forcibly converted> and divided our people to make sure rebellion and resistance

isn't strong. I> will not blame the invaders for the same, it is our own fault

that we> continue to believe in such divisions.> > Yoga means to unite and all

we are doing is divide.> > Similarly, Varna Dharma was not meant to divide

people but to make sure one> works according to one's own nature. Today, it has

been a political issue.> One person recently commented that we should drop

Shlokas from the Vedas> which refer to casteism (when there is only varnas as a

description of> people born under influence of different gunas)!> > In effect,

atleast I would not let my thinking be divisional in this

manner.> For me, there is no divide between Aryan-Dravidian or any other.> > For

people who continue to believe so, it is more of question of education> and not

of fight.> > > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > > > On 10/8/05, Sanjay

Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:> >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> >> > Dear

Friends,> > Some of you must have already read similar articles.> >

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/history5.shtml> > Part

of the article is pasted below.> >> > Warm Regards> > Sanjay P> >> > *> > The

Aryan Invasion Theory*> > One of the most controversial ideas about Hindu

history is the Aryan> > invasion

theory.> >> > This theory, originally devised by F. Max Muller in 1848, traces

the> > history of Hinduism to the invasion of India's indigenous people by

lighter> > skinned Aryans around 1500 BCE.> >> > The theory was reinforced by

other research over the next 120 years, and> > became the accepted history of

Hinduism, not only in the West but in India.> >> > There is now ample evidence

to show that Muller, and those who followed> > him, were wrong.> >> > *Why is

the theory no longer accepted?*> > The Aryan invasion theory was based on

archaeological, linguistic and> > ethnological evidence.> >> > Later research

has either discredited this evidence, or provided new> > evidence that combined

with the earlier evidence makes other explanations> > more likely.>

>> > Modern historians of the area no longer believe that such invasions had> >

such great influence on Indian history. It's now generally accepted that> >

Indian history shows a continuity of progress from the earliest times to> >

today.> >> > The changes brought to India by other cultures are not denied by

modern> > historians, but they are no longer thought to be a major ingredient

in the> > development of Hinduism.> >> > *Dangers of the theory*> > The Aryan

invasion theory denies the Indian origin of India's predominant> > culture, but

gives the credit for Indian culture to invaders from elsewhere.> >> >> > It even

teaches that some of the most revered books of Hindu scripture are> > not

actually Indian, and it devalues India's culture by portraying it as> > less

ancient

than it actually is.> >> > The theory was not just wrong, it included

unacceptably racist ideas:> >> > - it suggested that Indian culture was not

a culture in its own> > right, but a synthesis of elements from other

cultures> > - it implied that Hinduism was not an authentically Indian

religion> > but the result of cultural imperialism> > - it suggested that

Indian culture was static, and only changed> > under outside influences> >

- it suggested that the dark-skinned Dravidian people of the South> > of

India had got their faith from light-skinned Aryan invaders> > - it implied

that indigenous people were incapable of creatively> > developing their

faith> > - it suggested that indigenous peoples could only acquire new> >

religious and cultural ideas from other races, by invasion or other> >

processes> > - it accepted that race was a biologically based concept

(rather> > than, at least in part, a social construct) that provided a

sensible way of> > ranking people in a hierarchy, which provided a partial

basis for the caste> > system> > - it provided a basis for racism in the

Imperial context by> > suggesting that the peoples of Northern India were

descended from invaders> > from Europe and so racially closer to the British

Raj> > - it gave a historical precedent to justify the role and status

of> > the British Raj, who could argue that they were transforming India for

the> > better in the same way that the Aryans had done thousands of years

earlier> > - it downgraded the intellectual status of India and its people

by> > giving a falsely late date to elements of Indian science and culture>

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