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Base of Astrology

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Vedic astrology is a subject originated in Vedas. It is a branch of

knowledge, ancient as Vedas. Astrology is composed of 3 Skandhas (main

branches), such as Sidhantha (Astronomy and Maths), Samhitha (Omens) and Hora

(Horoscope-Horary and Muhoortha).

Astrology was also called Kalavidhana Sastha (Ancient advice about Time and

its divisions). To determine the nature of time (past-present and future), to

find out how the flow of time impacts humans and other animals and plants, and

their life containing pleasures and pains, is the aim of this branch of

knowledge. It is the root purpose of Astrology.

Time is the cause for everything that is good and bad (pleasure or pain) in

life. Time is the cause of all movements. Even thought is a time bound (It is

also a movement). Even thought cannot break away form the boundaries caused by

time, your past present and experience. To predict the happenings (incidents) of

life, we should study time. But we cannot see, touch, or hear time, but can know

and comprehend it with our mind and analyze it. This is possible only because we

can observe movements. It is by watching movements that the concept of time

originates in our mind. The movements on Earth (The flying of birds, fall of

withered leaves, the flowering of plants etc), the sunrise and sunset, the

waxing and waning of moon, if you watch in detail (even the subtleties in cosmic

movements) the movements of planets - every thing shows us the existence of

time. Time is the cause of movements. It is the cause for the movement of Earth,

Moon and Planets. It is the cause for life and death of plants, animals, and

humans, it is the cause of all our worldly conditions - birth, marriage,

accident, disease, death, wealth, poverty or what ever you name it.

To know about the life incidents of humans (to predict one’s future) we

should study Time. We cannot study it directly. But there is a way out - Time is

the cause for movements. So if we study the movements of cosmic bodies (Earth,

Moon, Planets etc), we can know or understand or comprehend the rhythm of Time -

its ebb and flow. If we are able to know the rhythm of Time (the flow of time

felt by the human minds), we could predict the life incidents of humans (what he

is, and what he would become - but don’t forget of course the prediction is

probabilistic). Astrology originates from this basic rationale. So never think

that it is irrational or irrelevant, don’t through mud on the truthfulness and

sincerity of Rishis (saints) who created this branch of study. Try to understand

the sincerity they had.

By watching the clock we can determine time. But it is not the clock that

controls time. When the birds cry we know that it is sunrise. Still it is not

the birds that cause sunrise. Similarly the study of planetary movements helps

us to predict the past-present-future events of life. But still it is not the

planets that controls human destiny. Neither the sunlight that is reflected by

the planets, nor the attractive force of planets that has little impact on

earth, has much importance. It is a truth both the wise astrologer and the

scientist know. Planets are just instruments that helps us in understanding the

rhythm of time, the instrument that helps us in predicting the human destiny. It

is the way planets are utilized in astrology. Every believer of Vedic astrology

should understand this truth.

Only when you understand this basic rationale of astrology, the unnecessary

arguments and debates will stop. Try to see astrology in its true theoretical

foundation. Why should we argue whether astrology is an art or science?

Astrology is nothing but astrology. If somebody asks whether bat is bird or not,

what would be the answer? It will only create an unending array of positive and

negative arguments. If somebody asks whether history is science or not, without

my intervention, you know that the result would be the same. Bat is bat, history

is history and astrology is nothing but astrology, neither science nor an art.

The fault is with our view. Why should we try to cast something into a

particular mould, or to limit subjects into some colored boxes? Man wants to

classify everything. But the truth would be always beyond all the

classifications. It stays outside all the classification attempts. The fault

lies fundamentally with the fragmented human brain that tries to classify every

thing, which ultimately leads to erroneous knowledge. This fundamental error

remains unsolved, and we are trying to limit subjects in to predefined boxes. It

is the second mistake. Will these repeated errors lead us to correct knowledge

and view?

When I have written this much, I felt that the fundamental classification

error of fragmented human brain should be clarified further. Let me explain. We

divide time in many ways, such as hour-minute-second, or as Nadi-Vinadi in

Indian system, or as cristian-vikrama-kali-yuga era or using many other systems

that could be used to divide time. Year-month-day divisions, let it be

solar-sidereal-lunar, it is all the same. There are thousands of methods! All

these classifications originated in human mind. But truly time is beyond all

these classifications. Is it the hour-minute division or the nadi-vinadi

division that is correct? You know that this question itself is stupid and

irrelevant. Time is continuous.... All these classifications are created by the

fragmented human brain to comprehend time. Our view is fragmented. It is like a

fragmented mirror that shows the picture of the complete and continuous world in

a fragmented way. Even though these classifications are necessary for humans to

study and comprehend time, the continuous entity "Time" does not need or

necessitates all these classification. All these classifications are there or

not - the time will prevail. Existing always there - beyond... Yes, all the

classifications are wrong. But human brain cannot live without them. That is why

it is said that every branch of study is nothing but "attempts to comprehend the

incomprehensible and complete world with fragmented classifications".

In a fragmented mirror the reflected world would also be fragmented. It is

the fundamental limitation of human brain or mind. That is why it is said, "the

eternal truth is realized only in a mindless state". The Vedic verse that says,

"where the mind turns back with the unreachable words (etho vacha nivarthanthe

aprapya manasa saha) - that is truth" also points in this direction. Due all

this we cannot but accept the fundamental error of trying to comprehend the

non-fragmented existence (world), with the fragmented mind. Can’t we at least

avoid the second error, i.e. trying to limit astrology into some predefined

boxes such as science or art? Can’t we avoid such arguments as whether astrology

is art or science? Try to comprehend astrology in its true theoretical

foundation. View science as science and art as art, don’t mix-up all. Like

humanity is a quality of man neither limited by class-creed-color-religion-cast

etc, astrology cannot be limited within the classifications such as science or

art.

When I see the efforts of people to classify astrology into predefined moulds

such as science or art, I am just feeling compassionate, because even these

classifications are unscientific and non-systematic. A relevant doubt is, how to

classify all the subjects under human study. The thought process of human mind

can be broadly classified into two - 1) Analytical 2) Wholistic. The astrologer

refers to this duality using the words ooha-apoha, mathematician’s uses the

words Differentiation -Integration, and others uses the technical term

Analytical approach-Wholistic approach. What ever be the terms used they point

to the fundamental difference in the thinking approach. These are two different

thinking methods. Most of the braches of knowledge we have today is the product

of one of these approaches.

Science is the product of analytical approach. We used to say that science

tries to study everything by dividing it into smaller and smaller parts. Science

has its own method (based on analytical approach) called Scientific method. Data

collection, concept formation, analysis, verification are part of it. A theory

is the final output. These theories may later herald as the true mirrors or

knowledge (laws), or based on new data input refined or discarded. Thus science

is a continuous search for truth. Starting from small laws that controls our

daily life, unstopping it searches for a single law that comprehends everything

and describes the whole world. Some theories that are refined further and

further become stronger rationally and experimentally, and heralded as laws,

that becomes the foundation of science and promotes further study. Physics,

Chemistry, Botany, Zoology etc are all branches of science. Maths even though

does not follow the scientific method, has a systematic foundation and is a

product of analytical approach. "Fact to generalization" is the prime motto of

analytical approach. But wholistic study method is an entirely different one.

The wholistic approach also had given raise to many branches of knowledge.

Let us start from the most common example - i.e. Psychology. Psychology says

that all the mental diseases (which may have even physical symptoms) are caused

by unhealthiness of mind. In other words Psychology finds its foundation in the

concept called Mind. If we knew all about the processes in brain, nervous

system, and the chemical reactions in brain and body this concept of mind will

not be necessary. We feel the Mind because of the combined and coordinated

function of all these. Even though we cannot find Mind by subdividing the body

in to its minutest parts (i.e. by physical analysis) nobody will say that

psychology is a useless subject. By using the classifications such as conscious

-subconscious -unconscious, id-ego-superego (or the Indian classical division

chitt-budhi-ahankara), we believe that psychology leads us towards truth. All

the branches of knowledge that originates from wholistic method use one or more

non-provable concepts as its foundation, which are accepted based on their

usefulness. Psychology is no exception to that. The ancient Indians used the

word Sasthra (ancient advice) to indicate such branches of study. Psychology

that speaks about Mind, Ayurveda that speaks about Tridosha (Vatha, Pitha and

Kapha), Homeopathy and Naturopath that speaks about Vital force, Astrology that

speaks about Planets and Signs (Rasis) all are the product of wholistic

approach. In this sense subjects such as Psychology, Ayurveda, Homeopathy,

Naturopathy, Astrology etc does not come under the broad classification called

Science. Still we know that nobody will dare to say that Psychology, Ayurveda

etc are useless. In the view of ancient people sasthras leads us to truth, they

helps us to comprehend truth more clearly, they helps us to know truth that are

useful for our existence. Astrology that depends on wholistic approach is no

exception to this. In this study method called wholistic approach, firstly to

cover all our ignorance about the details of something and to help the further

study, some basic concepts are formulated. This hypothetical foundation becomes

a springboard for further study. Here also psychology can be taken as a suitable

example. When we know 100% about the processes and behavior of brain and body,

when we understands which chemical reactions leads to each thought and emotion,

when we could clearly state how and where memory is encoded (with its minutest

details), when we attain the ability to control all these using chemical and

physical mechanisms (machine driven or otherwise) we could discard the concept

of mind and psychology. Till then psychology will exist, no matter how ever the

scientists express their reaction to it. Similarly when we understands how the

rhythm of time impacts the living organisms and their life incidents (100% i.e.

to its minutest details) astrology will also be discarded. Till then whatever

opposing arguments originate, this branch of knowledge will prevail.

Even those who accept that Psychology Ayurveda Homeopathy etc are wholistic

methods, tend to reject astrology. Why? They ask - How can you say that

astrology is based on a fundamental concept like Mind, Tridosha or Vital force

used by other branches of wholistic approach? Can you consider Sun Moon and

Planets as concepts? Signs (Rasis) such as Aries, Taurus are the divisions of

sky - how can they be concepts? All who sincerely study the ancient Vedic

astrology knows the answers to such questions. I will explain.

Think that we collect the common characteristics or life incidents of

children born, when the sun is in some particular sign. Instead of considering

these characteristics as that of time, they are projected to sun. Sun is

considered the significator of all such characteristics. Later when the sun in

the same sign, if a child is born, we predict that, that child will have those

predefined (pre-collected) characteristics. It is a sort of give and take

policy. The technique of projecting the characteristics those are not of sun to

sun, and later taking them back from sun. Here the sun becomes not the sun that

we see with our naked eyes. Sun becomes a concept. This sun is the god Siva,

father, gold, soul, courage, success, light, king, govt. service, light, forest,

peak, hill... and so many other things. Sun is man, middle-aged, bald, and the

significator of diseases due to heat. All these ideas are formed thus. Not only

the Sun, Moon and the Planets becomes concepts in this way. What ever is called

significators in astrology, they are all concepts (Hypothetical constructs to

mould the truth). Yes, in astrology Planets, Houses and Signs are called

significators. Therefore Signs, Houses and Planets are the basic concepts used

in wholistic study method called astrology. Apart from this some other basic

concepts that are used by Vedic culture such as Panchabootha

(Earth-Water-Fire-Air-Sky), Triguna (Sathwa-Rajas-Thamas) etc are also well

utilized in astrology.

Of the two approaches such as Analytical approach and Wholistic approach,

Astrology and Ayurveda is closer to wholistic approach. As these two methods

(Analytical and Wholistic) are fundamental to the thought process itself, why

should they compete each other? Why should the branches of study that are part

of wholistic approach try fruitlessly to become part of science (a product of

analytical approach)? Even physics should resort to the use of concepts such as

stress, strain, force, time etc. Ayurveda cannot stand away from the fact that

the use of its methods should cure the patient. The world we see is composed of

both facts and concepts (matter and mind). Because of all this, the analytical

approach that takes facts as the starting point and the wholistic approach that

takes concepts at the starting point should ultimately meet and help each other

to the ultimate fulfillment of human knowledge. They are like yin and yang, the

opposing counter parts of one and the same thing. As both of them are the

foundation of thought process itself - one defeating the other is impossible.

Don’t think that even this classification such as Analytical and Wholistic is

complete. Don’t ever think that you can bring all the subjects under the sun

into this classification. As I told earlier, all the classifications are nothing

but the creations of human mind. The truth would remain outside all

classifications. In this case also it is true. (Just think of bringing subjects

such as art and history into this classification. You will see what I mean!!) A

Vedic astrologer should be ready to approach astrology with such realizations,

because astrology is part of a wholistic approach to study the rhythm of time

and make probabilistic predications.

Hope I have succeeded in conveying the idea that I had.

Sreenadh,Astrologer

Arsha Astrological Research Center

Orkatteri (PO), Vadakara,

Calicut Dist, Kerala State, India

 

Email: sreelid

 

(NB: - I am a bit weak in my English. So please pardon the errors and try to

grasp the idea)

Sign and House are the same

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We may think that Sign are House are different, because there are so many

methods - such as one put forward by Sreepathi (10th century), Krishnamoorthi,

30 Degree equal division etc. Now what was the opinion of ancient Rishis on this

subject? Have they considered Sign and House differently - except from the fact

that Signs starts from Aris and Houses starts from the Ascendant? Let us go

through some of the available refferences.

Parasara

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If you use Jagannatha hora program to calculate houses, you already know, of

many methods for calculating houses the first option is, ‘Each Rasi is a house

(Parasari /True Vedic)’. Which itself shows that PVR and Rath has done

sufficient study on the subject and came to the conclusion that Parasara

considered ‘Each Sign as a House’. I take it as sufficient proof and do not want

to discuss the slokas put forward by Parasara in detail. Let us see what are the

opinions of others.

Varahamihira (6th Century)

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Varahamihira says that - ‘Rasi kshethra griharksha bhani bhavanam chaikardha

samprethyaye’. Which means - the words Rasi, Kshethra, Griha, Riksha, Bham and

Bhavanam are used in the same meaning through out the text Varahahora. (Note the

fact that the words Rasi and Griha are used in the same meaning). Ok. For that

what? I will explain. In the 15th sloka of the first chapter he states that -

‘Horadayasthanu kudumba sahotdha bandhu-

puthrari pathni maranani subhaspadaya

ribhakhyamithyupachanyari karma labha-

duschithka samgjitha "grihani" na nithyameke’

Which means that - the Houses (Grihani) starting from ascendant have the names

Thanu (Body -Ascendant), Kudumba (Own house - 2nd house), Sahotdha (Brothers -

3rd house), Bandhu (Relatives - 4th house), Puthra (Son - 5th house), Ari (Enemy

- 6th house), Pathni (Wife - 7th house), Marana (Death - 8th house), Subha (Good

things - 9th house), Aspada (Job - 10th house), Aya (Earnings - 11th house),

Ribha (Expenditure - 12th house).

Everybody will accept the fact that houses are mentioned here. I am attracting

your attention to the word, which was used to describe these houses - it is

‘Griha’. In earlier statement Varahamihira has already said that the words Griha

and Rasi and used in the same name throughout his text. Is it not a convincing

evidence for the fact that Varahamihira considered Sign (Rasi) and house as the

same? If you are not convinced read the next sloka of the same text.

'Kalya swa vikrama griha prethibha kshethani

chithodha randhra guru mana bhava vyeyani

legnachathurdha nidhane chathurasra samjche

dunam cha sapthama "griham" desamarkshamajcha'

Which means (only the relevant portion) - the houses (Griham) starting from the

ascendant have the names Kalya (Fame - Ascendant), Swa (Assets - 2nd house),

Vikrama (Courage - 3rd house), Griha (House were you are born - 4th house),

Prethibha (Intelligence - 5th house), Kshethani (Wounds - 6th house), Chithodha

(Ego - 7th house), Randhra (8th house), Guru (Teacher - 9th house), Mana

(Proudness - 10th house), Bhava (Next birth - 11th house), Vyeya (Expenditure -

12th house).

Here also note the fact that the word Griha is used - which explicitly means

Sign and House at the same time, because the words Sign and House means the same

thing, with the only difference that Signs are counted from Aris while the

Houses are counted from Ascendant.

Therefore it becomes clear that even at the period of 6th century AD, Signs and

Houses are considered the same. It was people like Sreepathi (10th century) who

made all the confusion by interpreting Sign and House as two different entities,

and by providing new techniques of the calculation of Houses. (And just look -

in what a mess we are!! There are 5 or more methods for calculating house!! In

which we should depend on?! I don’t want to go into the detail).

Even after all this happened there were learned scholars who never let away the

correct system - and if you are not convinced read Krishneeyam and Saravali.

Krishneeyam

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Krishneeyam is written by one krishnacharya who probably lived in the 13th

Century AD. A well-known and fascinating commentary for this classic text is

chathura-sundari, written by Vishnu (the son of madhavacharya who has written

madhaveeya).

While commenting on the 9th sloka of Krishneeyam, he says, "adha moorthyadishu

dvadesa rasishu dwadesha bhavanaha". Which means, ‘Starting from the ascendant

the twelve signs are also known as twelve houses’. This is so clear and explicit

a statement, that no true learner of astrology can deny the fact that, Vishnu

considered Signs and Houses as the same thing. This also points to the fact

that, Krishnacharya and Madhavacharya also considered Signs and Houses as the

same thing.

Conclusion

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If all these ancient acharyas (Rishis, Parasara, Varahamihira, Krishnacharya,

Madhavacharya, Kalyanavarama etc) considered Sign and House as the same thing,

who are we to say that they are different. Therefore any true learner of Vedic

astrology, should accept and follow the path shown by these acharyas, and

consider Sign and House as the same thing. (Probably Sreepathi had started all

this trouble)

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

Email: Sreelid

Divisions Such as Trimsamsa

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Before some days somebody has asked the question "Why Trimsamsa lords are for

5-6-7-8 degrees while the name suggest that, one Trimsamsa should be equal to

1/30 th of a sign (i.e. 1 Degree)". Let me try to answer this question.

Initially there were 2 systems in astrology for deriving predictions based on

divisions.

1) That gives importance to Rasi vargas, especially to 12 Rasi vargas (Dwadesa

Rasi varga)

2) That gives importance to the lords of Rasis (signs) [This system was later

came to be known as shadvarga, saptha varga etc]

Let us study these 2 systems in detail.

1) Dwadesa Rasi varga

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There should be a systematic method for the mixing of the characteristics of

signs (Rasis) without which minute analysis is impossible. Thus came about the

Dwadesa rasi varga system. 'Sphugidhvaja Hora' (An old classic on astrology)

states that -

"Rasau to yo dwadesa bhaga samstha

Swai Swai phalai samkulayanthi rasim"

Which means - signs have 12 vargas. The characteristics of each division

(varga) of sign differ due to the inter-mixing of the qualities and

characteristics of other signs.

Now what is the systematic method for deriving Rasi vargas?

While describing hora (2 fold division of rasi) 'Parasara hora' states that -

"Parivrithi dwayam thesham meshade kremaso bhaveth"

Which means - the hora division circles the zodiac 2 times, starting from the

sign Aris.

Putting it mathematically, we get -

Hora = Sputa x 2

i.e. if we multiply the longitude (planetary longitude or the nirayana

longitude of any degree) by 2 we get the hora sputa. Thus first half of Aris

would have the characteristics of Aris itself, while the second half will have

the characteristics of both Aris and Taurus. For Taurus, the first half of it

will have the characteristics of Taurus and Gemini, and the second will have the

characteristics of Taurus and Cancer. It goes on like this.

This system is true for all Rasi vargas. For example, while discussing

Drekkana, Parasara states that -

"Parivrithi treyam thesham meshade kremaso bhaveth"

Which mathematically means -

Drekkana sputa = sputa x 3

Thus for Aris: - the first Drekkana will have the characteristics of Aris,

while the second is a mixture of Aris and Taurus, and the third Drekkana will

have the mixed characteristics of Aris and Gemini. For Taurus: - The first

Drekkana will have the mixed characteristics of Taurus and Cancer, the second of

Taurus and Leo, and the third of Taurus and Virgo. It goes on like this.

Now is it a generalized system, which could be used for all Rasi vargas? Yes,

it is!! Because in Saravali (another classic text of astrology), we could see

the statement -

"Legnadeenam liptha jgeya swa grihadi varga samgunitha

Ashtadesasatha bhaktha lebdha syadeepsitho varga"

Which means - If you multiply the sputa of the Ascendant and the other planets

with the varga number and then divide it with 1800 you can find out, in which

sign the varga sputa will occur. Thus for -

4th varga (Chathurdhamsa) = sputa x 4

5th varga (Panchamamsa) = sputa x 5

6th varga (Shadamsa) = sputa x 6

7th varga (Sapthamsa) = sputa x 7

8th varga (Ashtamsa) = sputa x 8

9th varga (Navamsa) = sputa x 9

10th varga (Desamsa) = sputa x 10

11th varga (Ekadesamsa) = sputa x 11

12th varga (Dwadesamsa) = sputa x 12

There is only 12 Signs, and as you can intermix only these 12 Signs the

important Rasi vargas are Dwadesa rasi vargas.

But of course you can also mathematically derive other rasi vargas such as,

Trimsamsa = sputa x 30

Shodasamsa = sputa x 60 etc

But if a clear method for mathematically asserting the exactness of birth time

is not present, there is no point in using such rasi vargas. Because if there is

an error of 4 minutes in birth time Trimsamsa will change, and if there is an

error of 2 minutes Shodasamsa will change. (Remember also the controversy - What

exactly is the birth-time? How to rectify it mathematically if there is an error

of say, more than 10 minutes?)

So much about the first system of Divisions. Now let us discuss the other

system of divisions - namely Shadvarga system.

2) Shadvargadhipa system

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Rather than giving importance to mixing of the characteristics of signs, this

system gives importance to the lords of the signs.

The names used are - Kshethra, Hora, Drekkana, Navamsa, Dwadesamsa, Trimsamsa.

May be it is this use of same names as used in Dwadesa rasi vargas later caused

all the confusion. The interpolation of new slokas (and dropping of some old

slokas) both in Parasara hora and Saravali should have added to the trouble.

Both this texts as we get today are not in their purest form (There are many

evidences to reach this conclusion - which are not relevant here). What ever be

the connected reasons let us discuss this system.

Kshethradhipa: Lord of the sign

Horadhipa: Lord of the 2-fold division.

For odd sign - for 1st half it is sun and for the 2nd half it is moon

For even sign - for 1st half it is moon and for the 2nd half it is sun.

Drekkanadhipa: Lord of the 3-fold division

For chara sign - lords of 1-5-9 signs in order.

For sthira sign - lords of 5-9-1 signs in order.

For ubhaya sign - lords of 9-1-5 signs in order.

Navamsadhipa: Lord of the 9-fold division

Navamsa lords of Dwadesa varga.

Dwadesamsadhipa: Lord of 12-fold division.

Dwadesamsa is counted from the sign of the sputa in which the sputa is

posited.

Trimsamsadhipa: Lords of some sets of degrees.

For odd sign - 5 Deg (Mars), 5 Deg (Saturn), 8 Deg (Jupiter), 7 Deg (Mercury),

5 Deg (Venus)

For even sign - 5 Deg (Venus), 7 Deg (Mercury), 8 Deg (Jupiter), 5 Deg

(Saturn), 5 Deg (Mars)

This Shadvargadhipa system, which gives importance to the lords of these

divisions, rather than to the signs (Rasis), helps us in asserting the good/bad

effects of the planets. How to predict using this system is well depicted in

texts like Varaha hora.

Why the name Trimsamsa?Why the name Trimsamsa?

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Now let us come back to the question ‘why the name Trimsamsa means 1/30th (i.e.

1 degree) of a sign while lords are counted for different sets of degrees?’

The reason for this might be that the older of the two systems is the Rasi

varga system (especially Dwadesa rasi varga system), and the names used in it

were latter adopted to the Shadvargadhipa system.

[Note the fact that in the Shadvargadhipa system, Horadhipa, Dwadesamsadhipa

and Trimsamsadhipa does not even use the rasi lords. Even for the other vargas

in this system the rasi lords might have been selected, just for the sake of

convenience. For example see the fact that if you multiply Drekkana sputa with 3

it does not fall in to the correct rasi, the lord of which you can select as the

Drekkanadhipa. The same is true for Dwadesamsadhipa. Only in the case of

Kshethradhipa and Navamsadhipa, the lords of Rasi varga and Shadvarga coincide.

This system, which uses vargadhipa for prediction, does not even provide a

method to derive the lords of higher varga divisions. It becomes clear that out

of the 2 systems, it is the most unsystematic one. Therefore better go back to

the clear Dwadesa rasi varga system and try to make use of it in the predictions

and derivation of higher rasi vargas. I would like to hear what pvr and rath has

to comment on it.]

Another question that comes to mind is that why the meaning 1 Deg is dropped

and the meaning (at least) 5 Deg is taken for Trimsamsa division? The only

reason I could point to is that - by the time Shadvargadhipa system became

popular the clear method for fixing the berth time should have been lost, and to

minimize the error possibility instead of 1 Deg division 5 Deg (at least)

divisions are taken. (So that allowable error in birth time leaps from 4 minutes

to 20 minutes).

If there is other possible explanations for the question on Trimsamsa put

forward by the curious learners of astrology, let me know.

Sreenadh (from Kerala, India)

Email: sreelid

[Guest guest]

Dear RAAGHAVAM/Pradeep ji,

Thanks for your interest on those files and the willingness to search

for the true roots of astrology.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM

<munisevitham> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Thank you very much for all your hard work for

> propagating Vedic-astrology. I felt your articles much

> useful in knowing the unknown rational behind

> Trimsamsa etc.,

>

>

>

> --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Respected members

> >

> > Pls read a pdf file prepared by me on Vargas, under

> > files section.

> >

> > The title is Understanding Vargas.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

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> Base of Astrology

> -----------------

> Vedic astrology is a subject originated in Vedas. It is a branch

of knowledge, ancient as Vedas. Astrology is composed of 3 Skandhas

(main branches), such as Sidhantha (Astronomy and Maths), Samhitha

(Omens) and Hora (Horoscope-Horary and Muhoortha).

> Astrology was also called Kalavidhana Sastha (Ancient advice

about Time and its divisions). To determine the nature of time (past-

present and future), to find out how the flow of time impacts humans

and other animals and plants, and their life containing pleasures and

pains, is the aim of this branch of knowledge. It is the root purpose

of Astrology.

> Time is the cause for everything that is good and bad (pleasure

or pain) in life. Time is the cause of all movements. Even thought is

a time bound (It is also a movement). Even thought cannot break away

form the boundaries caused by time, your past present and experience.

To predict the happenings (incidents) of life, we should study time.

But we cannot see, touch, or hear time, but can know and comprehend it

with our mind and analyze it. This is possible only because we can

observe movements. It is by watching movements that the concept of

time originates in our mind. The movements on Earth (The flying of

birds, fall of withered leaves, the flowering of plants etc), the

sunrise and sunset, the waxing and waning of moon, if you watch in

detail (even the subtleties in cosmic movements) the movements of

planets - every thing shows us the existence of time. Time is the

cause of movements. It is the cause for the movement of Earth, Moon

and Planets. It is the cause for life and death of plants, animals,

and humans, it is the cause of all our worldly conditions - birth,

marriage, accident, disease, death, wealth, poverty or what ever you

name it.

> To know about the life incidents of humans (to predict one's

future) we should study Time. We cannot study it directly. But there

is a way out - Time is the cause for movements. So if we study the

movements of cosmic bodies (Earth, Moon, Planets etc), we can know or

understand or comprehend the rhythm of Time - its ebb and flow. If we

are able to know the rhythm of Time (the flow of time felt by the

human minds), we could predict the life incidents of humans (what he

is, and what he would become - but don't forget of course the

prediction is probabilistic). Astrology originates from this basic

rationale. So never think that it is irrational or irrelevant, don't

through mud on the truthfulness and sincerity of Rishis (saints) who

created this branch of study. Try to understand the sincerity they

had.

> By watching the clock we can determine time. But it is not the

clock that controls time. When the birds cry we know that it is

sunrise. Still it is not the birds that cause sunrise. Similarly the

study of planetary movements helps us to predict the past-present-

future events of life. But still it is not the planets that controls

human destiny. Neither the sunlight that is reflected by the planets,

nor the attractive force of planets that has little impact on earth,

has much importance. It is a truth both the wise astrologer and the

scientist know. Planets are just instruments that helps us in

understanding the rhythm of time, the instrument that helps us in

predicting the human destiny. It is the way planets are utilized in

astrology. Every believer of Vedic astrology should understand this

truth.

> Only when you understand this basic rationale of astrology, the

unnecessary arguments and debates will stop. Try to see astrology in

its true theoretical foundation. Why should we argue whether astrology

is an art or science? Astrology is nothing but astrology. If somebody

asks whether bat is bird or not, what would be the answer? It will

only create an unending array of positive and negative arguments. If

somebody asks whether history is science or not, without my

intervention, you know that the result would be the same. Bat is bat,

history is history and astrology is nothing but astrology, neither

science nor an art.

> The fault is with our view. Why should we try to cast something

into a particular mould, or to limit subjects into some colored boxes?

Man wants to classify everything. But the truth would be always beyond

all the classifications. It stays outside all the classification

attempts. The fault lies fundamentally with the fragmented human brain

that tries to classify every thing, which ultimately leads to

erroneous knowledge. This fundamental error remains unsolved, and we

are trying to limit subjects in to predefined boxes. It is the second

mistake. Will these repeated errors lead us to correct knowledge and

view?

> When I have written this much, I felt that the fundamental

classification error of fragmented human brain should be clarified

further. Let me explain. We divide time in many ways, such as hour-

minute-second, or as Nadi-Vinadi in Indian system, or as cristian-

vikrama-kali-yuga era or using many other systems that could be used

to divide time. Year-month-day divisions, let it be solar-sidereal-

lunar, it is all the same. There are thousands of methods! All these

classifications originated in human mind. But truly time is beyond all

these classifications. Is it the hour-minute division or the nadi-

vinadi division that is correct? You know that this question itself is

stupid and irrelevant. Time is continuous.... All these

classifications are created by the fragmented human brain to

comprehend time. Our view is fragmented. It is like a fragmented

mirror that shows the picture of the complete and continuous world in

a fragmented way. Even though these classifications are necessary for

humans to study and comprehend time, the continuous entity "Time" does

not need or necessitates all these classification. All these

classifications are there or not - the time will prevail. Existing

always there - beyond... Yes, all the classifications are wrong. But

human brain cannot live without them. That is why it is said that

every branch of study is nothing but "attempts to comprehend the

incomprehensible and complete world with fragmented classifications".

> In a fragmented mirror the reflected world would also be

fragmented. It is the fundamental limitation of human brain or mind.

That is why it is said, "the eternal truth is realized only in a

mindless state". The Vedic verse that says, "where the mind turns back

with the unreachable words (etho vacha nivarthanthe aprapya manasa

saha) - that is truth" also points in this direction. Due all this we

cannot but accept the fundamental error of trying to comprehend the

non-fragmented existence (world), with the fragmented mind. Can't we

at least avoid the second error, i.e. trying to limit astrology into

some predefined boxes such as science or art? Can't we avoid such

arguments as whether astrology is art or science? Try to comprehend

astrology in its true theoretical foundation. View science as science

and art as art, don't mix-up all. Like humanity is a quality of man

neither limited by class-creed-color-religion-cast etc, astrology

cannot be limited within the classifications such as science or art.

> When I see the efforts of people to classify astrology into

predefined moulds such as science or art, I am just feeling

compassionate, because even these classifications are unscientific and

non-systematic. A relevant doubt is, how to classify all the subjects

under human study. The thought process of human mind can be broadly

classified into two - 1) Analytical 2) Wholistic. The astrologer

refers to this duality using the words ooha-apoha, mathematician's

uses the words Differentiation -Integration, and others uses the

technical term Analytical approach-Wholistic approach. What ever be

the terms used they point to the fundamental difference in the

thinking approach. These are two different thinking methods. Most of

the braches of knowledge we have today is the product of one of these

approaches.

> Science is the product of analytical approach. We used to say

that science tries to study everything by dividing it into smaller and

smaller parts. Science has its own method (based on analytical

approach) called Scientific method. Data collection, concept

formation, analysis, verification are part of it. A theory is the

final output. These theories may later herald as the true mirrors or

knowledge (laws), or based on new data input refined or discarded.

Thus science is a continuous search for truth. Starting from small

laws that controls our daily life, unstopping it searches for a single

law that comprehends everything and describes the whole world. Some

theories that are refined further and further become stronger

rationally and experimentally, and heralded as laws, that becomes the

foundation of science and promotes further study. Physics, Chemistry,

Botany, Zoology etc are all branches of science. Maths even though

does not follow the scientific method, has a systematic foundation and

is a product of analytical approach. "Fact to generalization" is the

prime motto of analytical approach. But wholistic study method is an

entirely different one.

> The wholistic approach also had given raise to many branches of

knowledge. Let us start from the most common example - i.e.

Psychology. Psychology says that all the mental diseases (which may

have even physical symptoms) are caused by unhealthiness of mind. In

other words Psychology finds its foundation in the concept called

Mind. If we knew all about the processes in brain, nervous system, and

the chemical reactions in brain and body this concept of mind will not

be necessary. We feel the Mind because of the combined and coordinated

function of all these. Even though we cannot find Mind by subdividing

the body in to its minutest parts (i.e. by physical analysis) nobody

will say that psychology is a useless subject. By using the

classifications such as conscious -subconscious -unconscious, id-ego-

superego (or the Indian classical division chitt-budhi-ahankara), we

believe that psychology leads us towards truth. All the branches of

knowledge that originates from wholistic method use one or more non-

provable concepts as its foundation, which are accepted based on their

usefulness. Psychology is no exception to that. The ancient Indians

used the word Sasthra (ancient advice) to indicate such branches of

study. Psychology that speaks about Mind, Ayurveda that speaks about

Tridosha (Vatha, Pitha and Kapha), Homeopathy and Naturopath that

speaks about Vital force, Astrology that speaks about Planets and

Signs (Rasis) all are the product of wholistic approach. In this sense

subjects such as Psychology, Ayurveda, Homeopathy, Naturopathy,

Astrology etc does not come under the broad classification called

Science. Still we know that nobody will dare to say that Psychology,

Ayurveda etc are useless. In the view of ancient people sasthras leads

us to truth, they helps us to comprehend truth more clearly, they

helps us to know truth that are useful for our existence. Astrology

that depends on wholistic approach is no exception to this. In this

study method called wholistic approach, firstly to cover all our

ignorance about the details of something and to help the further

study, some basic concepts are formulated. This hypothetical

foundation becomes a springboard for further study. Here also

psychology can be taken as a suitable example. When we know 100% about

the processes and behavior of brain and body, when we understands

which chemical reactions leads to each thought and emotion, when we

could clearly state how and where memory is encoded (with its minutest

details), when we attain the ability to control all these using

chemical and physical mechanisms (machine driven or otherwise) we

could discard the concept of mind and psychology. Till then psychology

will exist, no matter how ever the scientists express their reaction

to it. Similarly when we understands how the rhythm of time impacts

the living organisms and their life incidents (100% i.e. to its

minutest details) astrology will also be discarded. Till then whatever

opposing arguments originate, this branch of knowledge will prevail.

> Even those who accept that Psychology Ayurveda Homeopathy etc are

wholistic methods, tend to reject astrology. Why? They ask - How can

you say that astrology is based on a fundamental concept like Mind,

Tridosha or Vital force used by other branches of wholistic approach?

Can you consider Sun Moon and Planets as concepts? Signs (Rasis) such

as Aries, Taurus are the divisions of sky - how can they be concepts?

All who sincerely study the ancient Vedic astrology knows the answers

to such questions. I will explain.

> Think that we collect the common characteristics or life

incidents of children born, when the sun is in some particular sign.

Instead of considering these characteristics as that of time, they are

projected to sun. Sun is considered the significator of all such

characteristics. Later when the sun in the same sign, if a child is

born, we predict that, that child will have those predefined (pre-

collected) characteristics. It is a sort of give and take policy. The

technique of projecting the characteristics those are not of sun to

sun, and later taking them back from sun. Here the sun becomes not the

sun that we see with our naked eyes. Sun becomes a concept. This sun

is the god Siva, father, gold, soul, courage, success, light, king,

govt. service, light, forest, peak, hill... and so many other things.

Sun is man, middle-aged, bald, and the significator of diseases due to

heat. All these ideas are formed thus. Not only the Sun, Moon and the

Planets becomes concepts in this way. What ever is called

significators in astrology, they are all concepts (Hypothetical

constructs to mould the truth). Yes, in astrology Planets, Houses and

Signs are called significators. Therefore Signs, Houses and Planets

are the basic concepts used in wholistic study method called

astrology. Apart from this some other basic concepts that are used by

Vedic culture such as Panchabootha (Earth-Water-Fire-Air-Sky), Triguna

(Sathwa-Rajas-Thamas) etc are also well utilized in astrology.

> Of the two approaches such as Analytical approach and Wholistic

approach, Astrology and Ayurveda is closer to wholistic approach. As

these two methods (Analytical and Wholistic) are fundamental to the

thought process itself, why should they compete each other? Why should

the branches of study that are part of wholistic approach try

fruitlessly to become part of science (a product of analytical

approach)? Even physics should resort to the use of concepts such as

stress, strain, force, time etc. Ayurveda cannot stand away from the

fact that the use of its methods should cure the patient. The world we

see is composed of both facts and concepts (matter and mind). Because

of all this, the analytical approach that takes facts as the starting

point and the wholistic approach that takes concepts at the starting

point should ultimately meet and help each other to the ultimate

fulfillment of human knowledge. They are like yin and yang, the

opposing counter parts of one and the same thing. As both of them are

the foundation of thought process itself - one defeating the other is

impossible.

> Don't think that even this classification such as Analytical and

Wholistic is complete. Don't ever think that you can bring all the

subjects under the sun into this classification. As I told earlier,

all the classifications are nothing but the creations of human mind.

The truth would remain outside all classifications. In this case also

it is true. (Just think of bringing subjects such as art and history

into this classification. You will see what I mean!!) A Vedic

astrologer should be ready to approach astrology with such

realizations, because astrology is part of a wholistic approach to

study the rhythm of time and make probabilistic predications.

> Hope I have succeeded in conveying the idea that I

had.

>

Sreenadh,Astrologer

Arsha Astrological Research Center

> Orkatteri (PO), Vadakara,

> Calicut Dist, Kerala State, India

>

> Email: sreelid

>

> (NB: - I am a bit weak in my English. So please pardon the errors

and try to grasp the idea)

>

>

>

> Sign and House are the same

> ===========================

> We may think that Sign are House are different, because there

are so many methods - such as one put forward by Sreepathi (10th

century), Krishnamoorthi, 30 Degree equal division etc. Now what was

the opinion of ancient Rishis on this subject? Have they considered

Sign and House differently - except from the fact that Signs starts

from Aris and Houses starts from the Ascendant? Let us go through some

of the available refferences.

> Parasara

> --------

> If you use Jagannatha hora program to calculate houses, you

already know, of many methods for calculating houses the first option

is, `Each Rasi is a house (Parasari /True Vedic)'. Which itself shows

that PVR and Rath has done sufficient study on the subject and came to

the conclusion that Parasara considered `Each Sign as a House'. I take

it as sufficient proof and do not want to discuss the slokas put

forward by Parasara in detail. Let us see what are the opinions of

others.

> Varahamihira (6th Century)

> --------------------------

> Varahamihira says that - `Rasi kshethra griharksha bhani

bhavanam chaikardha samprethyaye'. Which means - the words Rasi,

Kshethra, Griha, Riksha, Bham and Bhavanam are used in the same

meaning through out the text Varahahora. (Note the fact that the words

Rasi and Griha are used in the same meaning). Ok. For that what? I

will explain. In the 15th sloka of the first chapter he states that -

> `Horadayasthanu kudumba sahotdha bandhu-

> puthrari pathni maranani subhaspadaya

> ribhakhyamithyupachanyari karma labha-

> duschithka samgjitha "grihani" na nithyameke'

> Which means that - the Houses (Grihani) starting from ascendant

have the names Thanu (Body -Ascendant), Kudumba (Own house - 2nd

house), Sahotdha (Brothers - 3rd house), Bandhu (Relatives - 4th

house), Puthra (Son - 5th house), Ari (Enemy - 6th house), Pathni

(Wife - 7th house), Marana (Death - 8th house), Subha (Good things -

9th house), Aspada (Job - 10th house), Aya (Earnings - 11th house),

Ribha (Expenditure - 12th house).

> Everybody will accept the fact that houses are mentioned here. I

am attracting your attention to the word, which was used to describe

these houses - it is `Griha'. In earlier statement Varahamihira has

already said that the words Griha and Rasi and used in the same name

throughout his text. Is it not a convincing evidence for the fact that

Varahamihira considered Sign (Rasi) and house as the same? If you are

not convinced read the next sloka of the same text.

> 'Kalya swa vikrama griha prethibha kshethani

> chithodha randhra guru mana bhava vyeyani

> legnachathurdha nidhane chathurasra samjche

> dunam cha sapthama "griham" desamarkshamajcha'

> Which means (only the relevant portion) - the houses (Griham)

starting from the ascendant have the names Kalya (Fame - Ascendant),

Swa (Assets - 2nd house), Vikrama (Courage - 3rd house), Griha (House

were you are born - 4th house), Prethibha (Intelligence - 5th house),

Kshethani (Wounds - 6th house), Chithodha (Ego - 7th house), Randhra

(8th house), Guru (Teacher - 9th house), Mana (Proudness - 10th house

), Bhava (Next birth - 11th house), Vyeya (Expenditure - 12th house).

> Here also note the fact that the word Griha is used - which

explicitly means Sign and House at the same time, because the words

Sign and House means the same thing, with the only difference that

Signs are counted from Aris while the Houses are counted from

Ascendant.

> Therefore it becomes clear that even at the period of 6th

century AD, Signs and Houses are considered the same. It was people

like Sreepathi (10th century) who made all the confusion by

interpreting Sign and House as two different entities, and by

providing new techniques of the calculation of Houses. (And just look

- in what a mess we are!! There are 5 or more methods for calculating

house!! In which we should depend on?! I don't want to go into the

detail).

> Even after all this happened there were learned scholars who

never let away the correct system - and if you are not convinced read

Krishneeyam and Saravali.

> Krishneeyam

> -----------

> Krishneeyam is written by one krishnacharya who probably lived

in the 13th Century AD. A well-known and fascinating commentary for

this classic text is chathura-sundari, written by Vishnu (the son of

madhavacharya who has written madhaveeya).

> While commenting on the 9th sloka of Krishneeyam, he says, "adha

moorthyadishu dvadesa rasishu dwadesha bhavanaha". Which means,

`Starting from the ascendant the twelve signs are also known as twelve

houses'. This is so clear and explicit a statement, that no true

learner of astrology can deny the fact that, Vishnu considered Signs

and Houses as the same thing. This also points to the fact that,

Krishnacharya and Madhavacharya also considered Signs and Houses as

the same thing.

> Conclusion

> ----------

> If all these ancient acharyas (Rishis, Parasara, Varahamihira,

Krishnacharya, Madhavacharya, Kalyanavarama etc) considered Sign and

House as the same thing, who are we to say that they are different.

Therefore any true learner of Vedic astrology, should accept and

follow the path shown by these acharyas, and consider Sign and House

as the same thing. (Probably Sreepathi had started all this trouble)

> With warm regards,

> Sreenadh

> Email: Sreelid

>

>

>

>

> Divisions Such as Trimsamsa

> ===========================

> Before some days somebody has asked the question "Why Trimsamsa

lords are for 5-6-7-8 degrees while the name suggest that, one

Trimsamsa should be equal to 1/30 th of a sign (i.e. 1 Degree)". Let

me try to answer this question.

> Initially there were 2 systems in astrology for deriving predictions

based on divisions.

> 1) That gives importance to Rasi vargas, especially to 12 Rasi

vargas (Dwadesa Rasi varga)

> 2) That gives importance to the lords of Rasis (signs) [This system

was later came to be known as shadvarga, saptha varga etc]

> Let us study these 2 systems in detail.

> 1) Dwadesa Rasi varga

> ---------------------

> There should be a systematic method for the mixing of the

characteristics of signs (Rasis) without which minute analysis is

impossible. Thus came about the Dwadesa rasi varga system.

'Sphugidhvaja Hora' (An old classic on astrology) states that -

> "Rasau to yo dwadesa bhaga samstha

> Swai Swai phalai samkulayanthi rasim"

> Which means - signs have 12 vargas. The characteristics of each

division (varga) of sign differ due to the inter-mixing of the

qualities and characteristics of other signs.

> Now what is the systematic method for deriving Rasi vargas?

> While describing hora (2 fold division of rasi) 'Parasara hora'

states that -

> "Parivrithi dwayam thesham meshade kremaso bhaveth"

> Which means - the hora division circles the zodiac 2 times,

starting from the sign Aris.

> Putting it mathematically, we get -

> Hora = Sputa x 2

> i.e. if we multiply the longitude (planetary longitude or the

nirayana longitude of any degree) by 2 we get the hora sputa. Thus

first half of Aris would have the characteristics of Aris itself,

while the second half will have the characteristics of both Aris and

Taurus. For Taurus, the first half of it will have the characteristics

of Taurus and Gemini, and the second will have the characteristics of

Taurus and Cancer. It goes on like this.

> This system is true for all Rasi vargas. For example, while

discussing Drekkana, Parasara states that -

> "Parivrithi treyam thesham meshade kremaso bhaveth"

> Which mathematically means -

> Drekkana sputa = sputa x 3

> Thus for Aris: - the first Drekkana will have the

characteristics of Aris, while the second is a mixture of Aris and

Taurus, and the third Drekkana will have the mixed characteristics of

Aris and Gemini. For Taurus: - The first Drekkana will have the mixed

characteristics of Taurus and Cancer, the second of Taurus and Leo,

and the third of Taurus and Virgo. It goes on like this.

> Now is it a generalized system, which could be used for all Rasi

vargas? Yes, it is!! Because in Saravali (another classic text of

astrology), we could see the statement -

> "Legnadeenam liptha jgeya swa grihadi varga samgunitha

> Ashtadesasatha bhaktha lebdha syadeepsitho varga"

> Which means - If you multiply the sputa of the Ascendant and the

other planets with the varga number and then divide it with 1800 you

can find out, in which sign the varga sputa will occur. Thus for -

> 4th varga (Chathurdhamsa) = sputa x 4

> 5th varga (Panchamamsa) = sputa x 5

> 6th varga (Shadamsa) = sputa x 6

> 7th varga (Sapthamsa) = sputa x 7

> 8th varga (Ashtamsa) = sputa x 8

> 9th varga (Navamsa) = sputa x 9

> 10th varga (Desamsa) = sputa x 10

> 11th varga (Ekadesamsa) = sputa x 11

> 12th varga (Dwadesamsa) = sputa x 12

> There is only 12 Signs, and as you can intermix only these 12

Signs the important Rasi vargas are Dwadesa rasi vargas.

> But of course you can also mathematically derive other rasi

vargas such as,

> Trimsamsa = sputa x 30

> Shodasamsa = sputa x 60 etc

> But if a clear method for mathematically asserting the exactness

of birth time is not present, there is no point in using such rasi

vargas. Because if there is an error of 4 minutes in birth time

Trimsamsa will change, and if there is an error of 2 minutes

Shodasamsa will change. (Remember also the controversy - What exactly

is the birth-time? How to rectify it mathematically if there is an

error of say, more than 10 minutes?)

> So much about the first system of Divisions. Now let us discuss

the other system of divisions - namely Shadvarga system.

> 2) Shadvargadhipa system

> ------------------------

> Rather than giving importance to mixing of the characteristics

of signs, this system gives importance to the lords of the signs.

> The names used are - Kshethra, Hora, Drekkana, Navamsa,

Dwadesamsa, Trimsamsa.

> May be it is this use of same names as used in Dwadesa rasi

vargas later caused all the confusion. The interpolation of new slokas

(and dropping of some old slokas) both in Parasara hora and Saravali

should have added to the trouble. Both this texts as we get today are

not in their purest form (There are many evidences to reach this

conclusion - which are not relevant here). What ever be the connected

reasons let us discuss this system.

> Kshethradhipa: Lord of the sign

> Horadhipa: Lord of the 2-fold division.

> For odd sign - for 1st half it is sun and for

the 2nd half it is moon

> For even sign - for 1st half it is moon and

for the 2nd half it is sun.

> Drekkanadhipa: Lord of the 3-fold division

> For chara sign - lords of 1-5-9 signs in

order.

> For sthira sign - lords of 5-9-1 signs in

order.

> For ubhaya sign - lords of 9-1-5 signs in

order.

> Navamsadhipa: Lord of the 9-fold division

> Navamsa lords of Dwadesa varga.

> Dwadesamsadhipa: Lord of 12-fold division.

> Dwadesamsa is counted from the sign of the sputa in which

the sputa is posited.

> Trimsamsadhipa: Lords of some sets of degrees.

> For odd sign - 5 Deg (Mars), 5 Deg (Saturn), 8 Deg (Jupiter), 7

Deg (Mercury), 5 Deg (Venus)

> For even sign - 5 Deg (Venus), 7 Deg (Mercury), 8 Deg (Jupiter),

5 Deg (Saturn), 5 Deg (Mars)

> This Shadvargadhipa system, which gives importance to the lords

of these divisions, rather than to the signs (Rasis), helps us in

asserting the good/bad effects of the planets. How to predict using

this system is well depicted in texts like Varaha hora.

> Why the name Trimsamsa?Why the name Trimsamsa?

> -------------

> Now let us come back to the question `why the name Trimsamsa

means 1/30th (i.e. 1 degree) of a sign while lords are counted for

different sets of degrees?'

> The reason for this might be that the older of the two systems

is the Rasi varga system (especially Dwadesa rasi varga system), and

the names used in it were latter adopted to the Shadvargadhipa system.

> [Note the fact that in the Shadvargadhipa system, Horadhipa,

Dwadesamsadhipa and Trimsamsadhipa does not even use the rasi lords.

Even for the other vargas in this system the rasi lords might have

been selected, just for the sake of convenience. For example see the

fact that if you multiply Drekkana sputa with 3 it does not fall in to

the correct rasi, the lord of which you can select as the

Drekkanadhipa. The same is true for Dwadesamsadhipa. Only in the case

of Kshethradhipa and Navamsadhipa, the lords of Rasi varga and

Shadvarga coincide. This system, which uses vargadhipa for prediction,

does not even provide a method to derive the lords of higher varga

divisions. It becomes clear that out of the 2 systems, it is the most

unsystematic one. Therefore better go back to the clear Dwadesa rasi

varga system and try to make use of it in the predictions and

derivation of higher rasi vargas. I would like to hear what pvr and

rath has to comment on it.]

> Another question that comes to mind is that why the meaning 1

Deg is dropped and the meaning (at least) 5 Deg is taken for

Trimsamsa division? The only reason I could point to is that - by the

time Shadvargadhipa system became popular the clear method for fixing

the berth time should have been lost, and to minimize the error

possibility instead of 1 Deg division 5 Deg (at least) divisions are

taken. (So that allowable error in birth time leaps from 4 minutes to

20 minutes).

> If there is other possible explanations for the question on

Trimsamsa put forward by the curious learners of astrology, let me

know.

> Sreenadh (from

Kerala, India)

> Email: sreelid@y.

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