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Mooladhara & Linga - Clear Picture

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As per Siva-samhitha-

Gudathudhyanguladoordhvam mendrathudhyanguladadha

Chathurangula vistharamadharam varthathe samam

`Above 2 angulas from anus and below 2 angulas from genitals

Mooladhara is located. It covers an area of 4 angulas'. Therefore it

is clear that, Mooladhara is at the middle of Anus and genitals.

Now PVR says,

> What I said is that Mooladhara chakra is situated at the base of the

spine.

>That basically points to an area a little above anus.

>So the above quote is not at all inconsistent with what I said.

No. The correct statement is that it is not at all consistent with

what you said. As per the above statement, the Mooladhara chakra is 2

angulas above anus and 2 angulas below linga and there is a distance

of 4 angulas covered by Mooladhara. That means, the total distance

from anus to linga is 2+4+2 = 8 angulas, and that Mooladhara is

situated at the middle of the line joining anus and linga. Even after

understanding this clear mathematical picture you are still vehemently

arguing?! (for What!!). Your argument is that Mooladhara is 2 angulas

above anus (in the direction of spine) and that Mooladhara is some

where in the spine (in your basti area!!). To uphold this argument you

reject the second part of the sloka that says that `Mooladhara is

below 2 angulas from genitals'. One thing I would like to remind is

that the whole concept of Chakras is connected with nadies (nerves)

and not with spine (The spine comes into play only because it is one

of the major paths through which the signals are communicated to brain

- the major channel of energy flow. Don't assume that it alone is

important, because you are not a Yogi. Neither you nor me is an

authority to make statement on such things. Therefore we should depend

on the statements of Rishis to have at least a theoretical

understanding of such things). Here the word linga points to the linga

of `Purusha'. The etymological meaning of the word Purusha is that

`One who lives in body'. And it is clear that, by using the word

Linga, the Rishi is neither speaking about the linga of man nor about

the yoni of woman, but speaks about genitals - of man or women, in

general.

The important thing to understand is that Mooladharam is at the middle

of the line joining Anus and Linga and therefore, the Rishis used to

say that,

1) Mooladhara is in the middle of Anus.

2) Mooladhara is in the middle of Linga (genitals).

If you are not convinced see the following statement in `Dhyanabindu

Upanishad'.

Adharakhye guda sthane pankajam yechathurdelam

Thanmadhye prochyathe yoniH kamakhya sidha vanditha

Yoni madhye sthitham lingam paschimabhimukham thadha

`At the middle of the Chakra that is present in Anus, a lotus with 4

petals is present. The Yoni (Origin place-Mooladhara) with the name

Kama is present there. It is worshiped by Sidhas (enlightened masters

). In the middle of this Yoni, the Linga is placed in the western

direction (perpendicular to body)'.

Will you still vehemently argue that the Mooladhara is in your basti

(Naval region)? See the absurdity of your statement -

>The idea I vehemently opposed is that Mooladhara chakra is in linga

(genitals).

>Even the quote you gave confirms that Mooladhara chakra is NOT in

linga!

Nobody said that Mooladhara is in Linga. But what we (persons like me

or Pradeep, or authentic books like upanishads or yoga texts) say is

that Mooladharam is at the middle of (i.e. equiv-distant from) Anus

and Linga. If Zero deg is Sahasrara and 360 deg is the feet, then the

3 entities Anus-Mooladhara-Linga (genitals) should come in the same

degree. Please don't misinterpret ancient statements or our statements

and get false satisfaction.

>Thanks for giving a quote that supports my view. :-)

What kind of support you are getting from the above statements for

your argument 'the Mooladhara is in your basti'? (I don't see any!!)

Yes, you are right in stating that you were vehemently opposing some

thing, because nobody said that `the Mooladhara is in Linga', and you

have just imagined that statement. From the above quotes it is clear

that even when Rishis say that `the Mooladhara is in the middle of

Yoini/Liga' (quoted above), neither they nor the readers are not at

all confused, because it is clear to all from the hundreds of quotes

available from ancient texts that the Mooladhara is at the middle of

the line joining Anus and Linga. Thus any statement that says that

`the Mooladhara is in the middle of Anus' or that `the Mooladhara is

in the middle of Linga/Yoni', just assumes a vertical view

(perpendicular to body), and therefore all those statements are

equally correct. Why should anybody get confused on such clear

statements!!

Just see one more Trisikhi-brahmana Upanishad statement if you are

still confused.

Apanad dvayanguladoordhvamadho medrasya thavatha

Deha madhyam manushyanam hrinmadhyam thu chathushpadam

`The middle of the body for humans is 2 angulas above apana (anus) and

that much (i.e. 2 angulas) below medra (genitals). For 4 legged

animals it is at the middle of Heart'. Is it not clear to everybody

that the Rishi is mentioning the middle of the line joining anus and

genitals?

Why is it the middle of the body? If you consider the standing

position, it is the center of gravity for the human body!!. Just see

the well scientific Cartesian notation used by the Rishi in spotting

this point. It is in the center of gravity if you consider the

standing position, and it is at the middle of Anus and Genitals if you

consider the perpendicular plane. Can anybody misinterpret such clear

statements with out vested interests?

I can quote many other authorities, but there is no point in doing so,

if you are not ready to accept ancient authorities and view them with

an uncorrupted mentality. Your earlier statement that "You cannot

change my view", comes to my mind when I say this.

>In my view, 8th house shows external organs such as anus and

genitals,

>while the 7th house shows various internal organs in their vicinity.

>Thus, the mooladhara chakra area outlined in the verse above does

fall

>in basti area in my view.

I can only smile at that statement on internal-external division, and

ask, "What authority can you quote that says so?" (Of course I cannot

forget that you never used to quote your authorities while arguing

about such things- at least in our conversation. It is pretty

understandable because of the absence of slokas that supports your

view!!)

>However, to keep the argument simple, let us *assume*

>that all body parts from genitals to anus are covered by the 8th

house (Sc).

>So, we will *assume* that Mooladhara chakra, which is "2 angulas"

below

>genitals and "2 angulas" above anus, ends up being represented by

Scorpio.

Dear PVR, please don't *assume* this much!! I have already seen the

article on "Sapta loka & Tala", presented by Pt.Sanjay Rath on SJC USA

Annual Conference- 2003, and two of your uploaded pictures on Chakras

(downloadable from the files section of the forum). I can really

understand your difficulty!! (Not only you may have to reject some of

the lessons taught by Rath and drop some of your previous arguments).

Be a true student, but please don't discard the ancient statements and

throw too much *assumptions* on the well-said statements of Rishis. If

I am prompted to fix the anchor of your misinterpretations of ancient

slokas on Mooladhara in this, it is not my fault - It is what the

environmental evidence points to. (If this paragraph is too much

personal, I beg your apologies - but still it is truth).

>Now, the obvious question is: "If Sc covers genitals, anus and

>'4 angulas' between them, why is the middle point of them shown

>by the end of Scorpio rather than the middle of Scorpio???"

Because considering the body from head to feet the Mooladhara is in

the extreme potion of genital region (the perpendicular line joining

Anus-Mooladhara-Linga). There are many other corroborative evidences

such as,

1) End of Scorpio is the Mooladhara (origin place) of the Milky Way

galaxy

2) The Anus-Mooladhara-Linga falls in same deg (same perpendicular

line)

3) It is in the vertical line at the middle of body (vertical line

from head to feet through the center of body). In Rasichakra the line

from Pi-Ar junction to Sc-Sg junction symbolically represents such a

vertical line.

4) The Moola star, which is the Mooladhara (Base of Zodiac division),

is located in Sc-Sg boundary etc

All these are in favor of fixing the Mooladhara of Kalapurusha at the

Sc-Sg boundary (as argued by Chandrahari), rather than `the middle

point of Scorpio region' (as argued by you). Neither there is any

Sloka available in favor of your middle point theory nor there is any

such corroborative evidence. To me, that is why it is discarded. I

think that I have made my view clear.

But the important point of argument was - whether the Mooladhara is in

genital region or in Basti (as you said). I just wanted to make it

clear that you were pouring water with sarcasm on the true efforts of

Chandrahari, with out having even a glance at the statements of

ancient authorities on such subjects, or the mathematical foundation

of Hari's arguments, which is not good for a true seeker of knowledge.

Kunda of JHora

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>However, when I enter this data in my computer,

>I get the same lagna you do but get Kunda at 11 Ar 31' 9.08".

>This is much closer to the manual calculation you gave.

>I wonder why you get 14 min error

>I am wondering if you made some mistake or used one ayanamsa

>when noting lagna and one ayanamsa when noting kunda or something

like that.

>Please check once more.

Yes. You are right. My apologies.

> BTW, is this your chart by any chance?

Yes.

With Warm regards,

Sreenadh