RE: attention GuruJis (M.Imran's qts) -- correction

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> as per Shri Sanjay Rath, VRY can 'effectively function in life' if any of

the following 2 >conditions are present

>1) Lord of 3,6,8, 12 are Placed in conjuction in 3,6,8 or 12 and are WEAKly desposed

>2) The above lords placed in conjuction in Kendra/Trokana and are STRONG in

desposition(strength by means of Rashi /Navmansha/benefic aspect etc)

Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Imran,

I am giving points below which you may be already aware.

 

As per Kalidasa, the following 2 conditions are required strictly to have a VRY

1) Lord of 6,8, & 12th should Conjuct or aspect each other in 6, 8th or 12th

2) They should NOT have conjuction with/aspect from, the lord of other houses.

 

hence by going the above, VRY can be only form if the Lords of 6,8, & 12 are

plaed in the above house only and connected to each other by way of

Conjuction/aspect/parivartana

 

as per Shri Sanjay Rath, VRY can be form by the following 2 ways

1) Lord of 3,6,8, 12 are Placed in conjuction in 3,6,8 or 12 and are WEAKly desposed

2) The above lords placed in conjuction in Kendra/Trokana and are STRONG in

desposition (strength by means of Rashi /Navmansha/benefic aspect etc)

 

by going as per the above, 11 th house is missing. but as the standard rule goes

that any graha in 11th gives good result so 11th need not requier a mention.

 

the above is as per my understanding of the matter which may not be totally right

 

best regards,

 

utpal

"M.Imran" <astroimran > wrote:

Dear Adavi and Members,Thanks for reply, but I presume that the questioncould

not get correctly. My query was regardingG.Singh's notion of VRY rather

classification ofhouses and strength criterion as dealt.In an earlier message

he said,"if 6th, 8th and 12th> house lord are > together in 3, 6, or 11th house

then it is vipreet> raja yoga."Can dushtan lords together in trik bhavas result

inVRY?Regards,M.Imran--- adavi srinivasamurthy <smadavi (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

wrote:Dear Friends,6,8,12 th lords are evil

for the natives irrespectiveof the ascendant ,they spoil certain

significationsonly ,but in certain combinations has potential togive rajayogas

also;whereas 3,6,11 bhava lords becomeevil only when

jupiter,venus and moon becomes thelords of the respective

bhavas.Functionalmalefics,based on ascendants, have potential to damagethe

crucial significations of the individuals of theover all signigications

especially during theirdasa/subdasas .But all the conclusions are to bereckoned

with shad balas of respective bhavas/lords.Please read from the following

linkshttp://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/lesson8.htmhttp://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/lesson9.htmExtracts

from BHPS(http://www.astrojyoti.com/bphspage1.htm )33-36. Kendras, Konas etc.

defined. O Maitreya, listento other matters, which I am explaining. The

Kendrasare specially known, as Lagna (the ascendent), 4thHouse, 7th House (the

descendant) and

10th House(mid-heaven). 2nd, 5th, 8th and 11th House arePanapharas (succedents),

while 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12thHouse are called Apoklimas (cadents). 5th and

9thHouse are known by the name Kona (or trine). EvilHouses, or Dusthana Houses

are 6th, 8th and 12thHouse. Chaturasras are 4th and 8th House. 3rd, 6th,10th

and 11th House are Upachaya Houses. Kind

regards"Shaziya Khan."

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vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] attention

GuruJis(M.Imran's qts)Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:04:44 -0700 (PDT)Dear Members

,no one has answered this genuiene doubt , can any bodyhelp , or give their

views it will be mostappreciated.Best Regards,Shaziya Khan."M.Imran"

<astroimran >

wrote:Dear Singh and Members,Would you please illustrate the statement you

maderegarding VRY (with reference). My little undersandingsays that group of 3,

6, 11 houses, is known as trikbhava while the set of 6, 8, 12 houses, is

calleddushtan bhava. The former classification (of trik bhava) is given byLaghu

Parashari / Jatak Chandrika in order tocategorize funcational (malefic/benefic)

nature ofgrahas for Vimshottari dasha interpretion, while laterclassification

is mentioned by most of standardJyotish classics, viz. BPHS, Jatak Parijat,

Saravalietc.Kind Regards,M.Imranwww.aaj.tvKarachi--- hbk1hbk_2100

<hbk1hbk_2100 > wrote:> I have read in many books that if 6th, 8th and

12th> house lord are > together in 3, 6, or 11th house then it is vipreet> raja

yoga. I > wanted to see other people's opinion on that. I am> pisces acendent

> and the 6th 8th and 12th house lord are together in> capricorn in 11th >

house> > Regards> > G. Singh > > > vedic astrology,

KARUNAAKARAM> RAAGHAVAM > <munisevitham> wrote:> > > > Namaste,> > > >

Please specify for which Lagna the said melefics> are> > ganged-up in which

sign.> > > > --- hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:> > > > > To all,> > >

> > > Could you please post your thoughts if the> lord of> > > 6th house, 8th

> > > house and 12th house are together in one sign.> > > > > > Regards> > > > >

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Hi Utpal,

 

The conditions (you mentioned) are necessary to

constitute VRY and widely accepted (with some minor

variations) and I hold them as well.

 

6,8,12 houses are named dushtana. Since 3rd house is

also quasi-malefic therefore it has included in the

set of dushtana (3,6,8,12) bhavas. The case of 11th

house is different (even unique) from rest of bhavas.

The house is not itself bad for occupation of any

graha but its lordship is assumed evil.

 

Hence VRY has nothing to do with 11th house placement

as you also hold. I too did not confront any clue in

support of the conception that dushtana lords in trik

lead to VRY.

 

Thanks and Regards,

M.Imran

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

 

> A following correction:

>

> > as per Shri Sanjay Rath, VRY can 'effectively

> function in life' if any of the following 2

> >conditions are present

> >1) Lord of 3,6,8, 12 are Placed in conjuction in

> 3,6,8 or 12 and are WEAKly desposed

> >2) The above lords placed in conjuction in

> Kendra/Trokana and are STRONG in

> desposition(strength by means of Rashi

> /Navmansha/benefic aspect etc)

>

>

>

>

> Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> Dear Imran,

> I am giving points below which you may be already

> aware.

>

> As per Kalidasa, the following 2 conditions are

> required strictly to have a VRY

> 1) Lord of 6,8, & 12th should Conjuct or aspect each

> other in 6, 8th or 12th

> 2) They should NOT have conjuction with/aspect from,

> the lord of other houses.

>

> hence by going the above, VRY can be only form if

> the Lords of 6,8, & 12 are plaed in the above house

> only and connected to each other by way of

> Conjuction/aspect/parivartana

>

> as per Shri Sanjay Rath, VRY can be form by the

> following 2 ways

> 1) Lord of 3,6,8, 12 are Placed in conjuction in

> 3,6,8 or 12 and are WEAKly desposed

> 2) The above lords placed in conjuction in

> Kendra/Trokana and are STRONG in desposition

> (strength by means of Rashi /Navmansha/benefic

> aspect etc)

>

> by going as per the above, 11 th house is missing.

> but as the standard rule goes that any graha in 11th

> gives good result so 11th need not requier a

> mention.

>

> the above is as per my understanding of the matter

> which may not be totally right

>

> best regards,

>

> utpal

>

> "M.Imran" <astroimran wrote:

> Dear Adavi and Members,

>

> Thanks for reply, but I presume that the question

> could not get correctly. My query was regarding

> G.Singh's notion of VRY rather classification of

> houses and strength criterion as dealt.

>

> In an earlier message he said,

> "if 6th, 8th and 12th

> > house lord are

> > together in 3, 6, or 11th house then it is vipreet

> > raja yoga."

>

> Can dushtan lords together in trik bhavas result in

> VRY?

>

> Regards,

> M.Imran

>

>

>

>

> --- adavi srinivasamurthy <smadavi

> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> 6,8,12 th lords are evil for the natives

> irrespective

> of the ascendant ,they spoil certain significations

> only ,but in certain combinations has potential to

> give rajayogas also;whereas 3,6,11 bhava lords

> become

> evil only when jupiter,venus and moon becomes the

> lords of the respective bhavas.Functional

> malefics,based on ascendants, have potential to

> damage

> the crucial significations of the individuals of the

> over all signigications especially during their

> dasa/subdasas .But all the conclusions are to be

> reckoned with shad balas of respective bhavas/lords.

>

> Please read from the following links

>

> http://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/lesson8.htm

>

>

>

> http://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/lesson9.htm

>

>

>

> Extracts from BHPS(

> http://www.astrojyoti.com/bphspage1.htm )

>

> 33-36. Kendras, Konas etc. defined. O Maitreya,

> listen

> to other matters, which I am explaining. The Kendras

> are specially known, as Lagna (the ascendent), 4th

> House, 7th House (the descendant) and 10th House

> (mid-heaven). 2nd, 5th, 8th and 11th House are

> Panapharas (succedents), while 3rd, 6th, 9th and

> 12th

> House are called Apoklimas (cadents). 5th and 9th

> House are known by the name Kona (or trine). Evil

> Houses, or Dusthana Houses are 6th, 8th and 12th

> House. Chaturasras are 4th and 8th House. 3rd, 6th,

> 10th and 11th House are Upachaya Houses.

Kind regards

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

> "Shaziya Khan." <bluemind2005

> vedic astrology

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] attention GuruJis

> (M.Imran's qts)

> Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:04:44 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Dear Members ,

> no one has answered this genuiene doubt , can any

> body

> help , or give their views it will be most

> appreciated.

>

> Best Regards,

> Shaziya Khan.

>

> "M.Imran" <astroimran wrote:

> Dear Singh and Members,

>

> Would you please illustrate the statement you made

> regarding VRY (with reference). My little

> undersanding

> says that group of 3, 6, 11 houses, is known as trik

> bhava while the set of 6, 8, 12 houses, is called

> dushtan bhava.

>

> The former classification (of trik bhava) is given

> by

> Laghu Parashari / Jatak Chandrika in order to

> categorize funcational (malefic/benefic) nature of

> grahas for Vimshottari dasha interpretion, while

> later

> classification is mentioned by most of standard

> Jyotish classics, viz. BPHS, Jatak Parijat, Saravali

> etc.

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> M.Imran

> www.aaj.tv

> Karachi

>

>

>

> --- hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:

>

> > I have read in many books that if 6th, 8th and

> 12th

> > house lord are

> > together in 3, 6, or 11th house then it is vipreet

> > raja yoga. I

> > wanted to see other people's opinion on that. I am

> > pisces acendent

> > and the 6th 8th and 12th house lord are together

> in

> > capricorn in 11th

> > house

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology,

> KARUNAAKARAM

> > RAAGHAVAM

> > <munisevitham> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please specify for which Lagna the said melefics

> > are

> > > ganged-up in which sign.

> > >

> > > --- hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:

> > >

> > > > To all,

> > > >

> > > > Could you please post your thoughts if the

> > lord of

> > > > 6th house, 8th

> > > > house and 12th house are together in one sign.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > G. Singh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Though i too is unaware of classical reference of 3 & 11 th for VRY, we can

think along the line of Bhavatbhavam or Menifested Houses.

 

11 the is the Manifestation of 6th & 12th

3rd is the menifestation of 8th

 

hence may take part in VRY. Thinking loud - as they say.

 

warm regards,

utpal "M.Imran" <astroimran > wrote:

Hi Utpal,The conditions (you mentioned) are necessary toconstitute VRY and

widely accepted (with some minorvariations) and I hold them as well.6,8,12

houses are named dushtana. Since 3rd house isalso quasi-malefic therefore it

has included in theset of dushtana (3,6,8,12) bhavas. The case of 11thhouse is

different (even unique) from rest of bhavas.The house is not itself bad for

occupation of anygraha but its lordship is assumed evil. Hence VRY has nothing

to do with 11th house placementas you also hold. I too did not confront any

clue insupport of the conception that dushtana lords in triklead to VRY. Thanks

and Regards,M.Imran--- Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:> A following

correction:> > > as per Shri Sanjay

Rath, VRY can 'effectively> function in life' if any of the following 2>

>conditions are present> >1) Lord of 3,6,8, 12 are Placed in conjuction in>

3,6,8 or 12 and are WEAKly desposed> >2) The above lords placed in conjuction

in> Kendra/Trokana and are STRONG in> desposition(strength by means of Rashi>

/Navmansha/benefic aspect etc)> > > > > Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak >

wrote:> Dear Imran,> I am giving points below which you may be already> aware.>

> As per Kalidasa, the following 2 conditions are> required strictly to have a

VRY> 1) Lord of 6,8, & 12th should Conjuct or aspect each> other in 6, 8th or

12th> 2) They should NOT have conjuction with/aspect from,> the lord of other

houses.> > hence by going the above, VRY can be only form if> the Lords of

6,8, & 12 are plaed in the above house> only and connected to each other by way

of> Conjuction/aspect/parivartana> > as per Shri Sanjay Rath, VRY can be

form by the> following 2 ways> 1) Lord of 3,6,8, 12 are Placed in conjuction

in> 3,6,8 or 12 and are WEAKly desposed> 2) The above lords placed in

conjuction in> Kendra/Trokana and are STRONG in desposition> (strength by means

of Rashi /Navmansha/benefic> aspect etc)> > by going as per the above, 11 th

house is missing.> but as the standard rule goes that any graha in 11th> gives

good result so 11th need not requier a> mention.> > the above is as per my

understanding of the matter> which may not be totally right> > best regards,>

> utpal > > "M.Imran" <astroimran > wrote:> Dear Adavi and

Members,> > Thanks for reply, but I presume that the question> could not get

correctly. My query was regarding> G.Singh's notion of VRY rather

classification of> houses and strength criterion as dealt.> > In an earlier

message he said,> "if 6th, 8th and 12th> > house lord are > > together in 3, 6,

or 11th house then it is vipreet> > raja yoga."> > Can dushtan lords together in

trik bhavas result in> VRY?> > Regards,> M.Imran> > > > > --- adavi

srinivasamurthy <smadavi (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> wrote:> > >

> > Dear Friends,> > 6,8,12 th lords are evil

for the natives> irrespective> of the ascendant ,they spoil certain

significations> only ,but in certain combinations has potential to> give

rajayogas also;whereas

3,6,11 bhava lords > become> evil only when jupiter,venus and moon becomes the>

lords of the respective bhavas.Functional> malefics,based on ascendants, have

potential to> damage> the crucial significations of the individuals of the>

over all signigications especially during their> dasa/subdasas .But all the

conclusions are to be> reckoned with shad balas of respective bhavas/lords.> >

Please read from the following links> >

http://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/lesson8.htm> > > >

http://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/lesson9.htm> > > > Extracts from BHPS(>

http://www.astrojyoti.com/bphspage1.htm )> > 33-36. Kendras, Konas etc.

defined. O

Maitreya,> listen> to other matters, which I am explaining. The Kendras> are

specially known, as Lagna (the ascendent), 4th> House, 7th House (the

descendant) and 10th House> (mid-heaven). 2nd, 5th, 8th and 11th House are>

Panapharas (succedents), while 3rd, 6th, 9th and> 12th> House are called

Apoklimas (cadents). 5th and 9th> House are known by the name Kona (or trine).

Evil> Houses, or Dusthana Houses are 6th, 8th and 12th> House. Chaturasras are

4th and 8th House. 3rd, 6th,> 10th and 11th House are Upachaya Houses. > > > >

> > > Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> "Shaziya Khan."

<bluemind2005 >> vedic astrology> To:

vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] attention GuruJis>

(M.Imran's qts)> Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:04:44 -0700 (PDT)> > Dear Members ,>

no one has answered this genuiene doubt , can any> body> help , or give their

views it will be most> appreciated.> > Best Regards,> Shaziya Khan.> >

"M.Imran" <astroimran > wrote:> Dear Singh and Members,> > Would you

please illustrate the statement you made> regarding VRY (with reference). My

little> undersanding> says that group of 3, 6, 11 houses, is known as trik>

bhava while the set of 6, 8, 12 houses, is called> dushtan bhava. > > The

former classification (of trik bhava) is given> by> Laghu Parashari / Jatak

Chandrika in order to> categorize funcational (malefic/benefic) nature of>

grahas for Vimshottari dasha

interpretion, while> later> classification is mentioned by most of standard>

Jyotish classics, viz. BPHS, Jatak Parijat, Saravali> etc.> > Kind Regards,> >

M.Imran> www.aaj.tv> Karachi> > > > --- hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100 >

wrote:> > > I have read in many books that if 6th, 8th and> 12th> > house lord

are > > together in 3, 6, or 11th house then it is vipreet> > raja yoga. I > >

wanted to see other people's opinion on that. I am> > pisces acendent > > and

the 6th 8th and 12th house lord are together> in> > capricorn in 11th > >

house> > > > Regards> > > > G. Singh > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology,> KARUNAAKARAM> > RAAGHAVAM > >

<munisevitham> wrote:> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > > Please specify for

which Lagna the said melefics> > are> > > ganged-up in which sign.> > > > > >

--- hbk1hbk_2100 <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote:> > > > > > > To all,> > > > > > > >

Could you please post your thoughts if the> > lord of> > > > 6th house, 8th >

> > > house and 12th house are together in one sign.> > > > > > > > Regards> >

> > > > > > G. Singh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

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