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Respected members of "Vedic-astrology" group,Namaskar!I joined your august

forum only a couple of days back and am highlyimpressed to see its membership

of 4385 as on date!Every astrologer, especially a "vedic astrologer", has to

use a panchanga ona day to day basis. In fact, it is the very basis of

his/herprognostication, whether as a professional or an amateur!

 

As everybody knows, a panchanga comprises five limbs viz. tithi, karna,

nakshatra, yoga and vara!Surprisingly, planetary longitudes are conspicuous by

their absence fromthis list! Similarly, the very first Vedic astronomical

work, viz. theVedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha, a work of thirteenth century BCE,

compiled in oraround Kashmir, (J&K State) also does not indicate anything

about planetarylongitudes but advises us only as to how to determine the

beginning dates ofTapah also known as Magha etc. months besides the Ayanas and

tithis etc. Same is the case with Atharva Jyotisha.Till a few decades back,

before the advent of Drik-Ganita etc., we in Indiawere calculating all the five

limbs of panchanga, besides planetarylongitudes, mostly from karana granthas

like Grahalghava or Makaranda etc.which were supposed, wrongly though, to be

based on Surya Sidhanta orBrahma Sidhanta etc. with beeja corrections.

However, all the methodologyadvocated by these karna granthas is against the

letter as well as thespirit of the Vedanga Jyotisha and also Atharva Jyotisha

and even to theSurya Sidhanta etc. Thus the longitudes etc. calculated from

those"granthas" were fundamentally and intrinsically wrong in contrast toour

original indigenous astronomical works. Surprisingly, though we nowadmit that

those calculations from those karna-granthas etc. were absolutely wrong

but somehow we still believe (and/or want others to believe!) that the

prognostications based on those wrong data including planetary longitudes made

by our ancestors were correct! Obviously, if atall our ancestors of the not

too distant future did make any correctpredictions those could not have been

based on the planetary calculationsbut because of some sidhi or tapasya etc.

But what our "ancestors" did notrealize then -- over the last several

centuries--- in spite of their tapasya or sidhi!-

was that because of the fundamental arguments being incorrect, the longitudes

of thesun and moon also were incorrect and hence the tithi, nakshtara etc.

derivedfrom them could never be correct either. Which means that the solar

sankrantis or the lunar months determined from tithis and solar longitudes etc.

also were wrong! That means that all our muhurtas and festivals had become

topsy-turvy!

Later, thanks to the overseas astronomical observatories, especially

theGreenwich Observatory, correct planetary positions started to be publishedin

works like Nautical Almanac etc. and Raphael's Ephemeris, being published since

1821,

(for the last about two centuries!) also was correct as it was based on the data

provided by Greenwich Observatory. However, we in India woke to the situation

quite late with stalwarts like Ketkar jumping into the fray just about a

century back.

 

Even now also, despite getting alll the planetary data from US Naval Observatory

or some other software based on one or the other observatory, we are neither

following our sidhantas nor the modern astronomy! Our shastras and sidhantas

unequivocally state that there is no difference between Uttarayana and Makar

Sankranti or Dakshniayana and Karka Sankranti and same is the case with modern

astronomy.

 

It is possible that correct astrological prognostications, being what they are,

can be made from any type of calculations which may or may not yield correct

planetry details --- since if we could make correct predictions from incorect

data like from Grahalaghava/Sarvananda Laghava or Makranda or even the Surya

Sidhanta -- with or without beeja corrections--- sky is the limit for our

propensitis of making correct predictions from any type of data, but then we

get caught on the wrong foot when we come to celebrating our festivals!

Because of having linked our dharmashastra also to Grahalaghava or N. C. Lahiri

Rashichakra or B. V. Raman's Rashichakra etc., we are celebrating Makar

Sankranti today not when ti is Uttarayana but when it is about three weeks away

from that phenomenon! If this absurdity continues, a time may come when we will

celebrate Makar Sankranti on the Dakshinayana Day - i.e. Dakshinanyana will

always be around June 21 and simultaneously Makar Sankranti will fall on that

very Dakshinyana day in a few thousand years instead of January 14/15, as is

happening these days -- as agianst December 21 - when it should actually

happen! Thanks to such whimsical "edicts" of our "Vedic panchanga-makers" even

today we will be advised to celebrate Pitramavasya on October 2, 2005, when it

is actually Dipavali on that date as per all the shastras!

 

All these points have very serious repurcussions on our entire cultural gamut.

Therefore, a forum was "created" so that all the astrologers, including "Vedic

astrologers" and astronomers, including "Vedic astronomers" could discuss this

issue point by point. Being "Vedic Jyotishis" I am sure most of you also would

be interested in knowing as to what type of "Jyotish" -- if any -- our real

Vedic Vamadevas and Parasharas were following. As such, I invite you to join

HinduCalendar

Anybody can join it without any preconditions and enter into the

"shastra-artha", again, without any preconditions!

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

 

-"vedic astrology Moderator"

<vedic astrology-owner><jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>Tuesday,

September 06, 2005 9:52 PMWelcome to vedic astrology>> This discussion

group discusses the principles of Vedic astrology(Jyotish) and analyzes

real-world happenings based on the principles ofVedic astrology. The

discussions can range from very simple to very deep.>> A hermitage-like

atmosphere of devoted learning, selfless sharing,courtesy and mutual respect is

encouraged here. People freely ask very basicquestions and get answers, while

very advanced discussions are going onalongside.>> It can be said without the

fear of exaggeration that some of the advanceddiscussion that went on here

during Jan-Oct 1999 cannot be found in anywhereelse - even in good textbooks or

magazines. Some of the topics discussed inthis period were - special lagnas like

ghati lagna, arudhas, argalas,Kalachakra dasa, Moola dasa, rasi dasas like

Narayana dasa, Sudasa, Brahmadasa and drig dasa, various divisional charts,

Tajaka annual and monthlycharts and mundane charts. Check the archives

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