About Moola

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Dear Prabodh,

Thanks. It was thought provoking - an objective view of a real

scholar. You said: -

> Even if accept that Mool star qualify as zodiac reference,

>it is not clear to me why should it be related with Muladhar chakra.

> We have two things.

>1) Mool Nakshatra as base of Zodiac and

>2) Muladhar situated at above 2 angulas from anus and below 2

>angulas from genitals.

>This will be junction of Vrischick and Dhanu. So there is

>one-to-one mapping of

>Mool star and place of Muladhar chakra. But to say that

>Mool nakshatra is named as Mool because it has

>one-to-one mapping with the place of Muladhar chakra

>in Human body is not too convincing. Had it been so then

>possibly we might have had more nakshatras with some

>resemblance to other names of chakras. But we don't have

>any such etymological reference of any nakshatra name

>and chakra. So it seems that it is just a matter of coincidence

>that Mool nakshatra & Muladhar chakra can be mapped.

>Of course I may totally wrong but if see etymological

>reference with one nakshatra and one chakra then

>consistency of the logic will demand some etymological

>reference with other nakshatras and chakras.

There are several things to be answered. Let us subdivide the

questions into many.

1) Does Moola Star qualify to be the base of the Zodiac? If so how?

2) Who is the person that related the names of Moola star and

Mooladhara? Why?

3) What are the etymological meanings of Nakshatra names?

4) Can I point to an etymological concurrency with other nakshatras

and chakras?

5) What about other Chakra systems?

I will try to answer these questions.

1) Does Moola Star qualify to be the base of the Zodiac? If so how?

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Chandrahari is a person who conducted an in-depth study of the Surya-

sidhantha and the fundamental concepts from which the Rasichakram

(Zodiac) originated. He found that Zodiac is Mooladhara Rahu-Sikhi

Chakra. This means that the fixed reference frame called Zodiac is

mathematically derived considering the rhythmical movement of Rahu and

Sikhi and also by considering Moola star as a fixed reference point of

zodiac division. He proves it mathematically based on Suryasidhantha.

(You should remember here that we are speaking about how the fixed

frame of reference called Zodiac was originally sub-divided into Signs

and Stellar divisions) As per his diction-

"The first stellar division (first star) is Jyeshta that falls between

the line joining the hypothetical Equinox line of old-Suryasidhantha

(the line joining 60 deg Vernal equinox and 240 deg fiducial star

Moola) and the line joining the actual Equinox line at Yugadi (line

joining 46 deg 40 min and 226 deg 40 min). The first rasi division is

falls between the line joining the hypothetical Sayana Rahu-Sikhi

(line joining 300 deg Sayana-Sikhi/planetary conjunction point and 120

deg Sayana Rahu) and the hypothetical Ecliptic (line joining 330 deg

and 150 deg) of Old-Suryasidhantha. Thus forms the Zodiac with stars

13 deg 20 min each and Signs with 30 deg each".

Don't get confused. Here he is not speaking about predictive

astrology, but about the mathematical division of the Zodiac. He is

not saying that the first star is not Aswathi or that the first sign

is not Aris. He is speaking about, `how that division originally

occurred'. (Taking away from the context any one can miss-interpret

such statements)

Any one who wants to have a better understanding of Hari's concepts

should read his works. From such studies it becomes clear that Moola

star qualify to be the base of the Zodiac divisions. I am fully

supportive of his ideas on this because, I see no other such sincere

studies based on ancient sidhanthas that comes to a clear-cut

identification on - `how the zodiac originally got divided into signs

and stellar divisions'.

2) Who is the person that related the names of Moola star and

Mooladhara? Why?

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I never said that Moola nakshatra is named as Moola because it has

one-to-one mapping with the place of Mooladhar chakra in Human body or

the body of Kalapurusha. I said that 'Moola star has one-to-one

mapping with the place of Mooladhar chakra in the body of

Kalapurusha'. What you said is Hari's concept.

When the thoughts of Chandra-Hari bombarded with concepts such as

Mooladhara Rahu-Sikhi Chakra and Rhythm of the universe (rhythm of

solar system, biological clock, circadian rhythm etc), some other

striking similarities came to his mind. Some examples would be: -

(i) Moola is the base of zodiac division - Mooladhara is the base

point from where yoga starts.

(ii) Horoscope is also called Kundalini - In yoga also Kundalini

(serpent power) is important.

(iii) Rahu-Sikhi (Serpents - Kalasarpa) is the underlying factor of

Rasichakra - Kundalini in yoga is also symbolized as serpent.

(iv) Kalapurusha is a concept in astrology - Sankhya and Yoga also

speak about purusha.

(v) Jyothisha and Tantra are based on the equivalence of Pindandam

(Microcosm) and Brahmandam (Macrocosm).

(vi) The universe is Rhythmic - The human body is also in rhythm with

universe. [This needs further clarification. Prana means 4 seconds.

According to yoga and upanishads one day of a human body means 21600

prana. 3600 x 60 = 21600 min]

All these similarities prompted Hari to suggest a co-relation

between the Yoga/Tanthra and astrology. It was his statement that -

"Moola nakshatra is named as Moola because it has one-to-one mapping

with the place of Mooladhar chakra of Kalapurusha". (I would like to

take my time in accepting or rejecting this co-relation of Yoga and

Astrology. I am not in haste). If you go through the works of

Chandrahari you will see the pain-staking efforts he has taken in

making such a study. He is a truly sincere man and is an asset to the

astrological community.

PVR was just discarding that whole effort with the erroneous

statement - "To me, Mooladhara chakra of Kala Purusha being at 240 deg

or being at the end of his genitals is a totally unappealing concept.

... I know for a fact where MY Mooladhara chakra is and ........."

he says that it is in his "basti (the area just above genitals)". I

was just reacting to that statement. We should respect and value a

person and his efforts, if he disserves it. (Even if we agree with it

or not!). PVR was violating this rule (and that also without making

sufficient study of the concept), and it is to that I have reacted.

[As far as I am concerned, still now I am not sure whether this Yoga/

Tanthra concepts and Astrology are deeply related or not. As I would

like to take my time and watch with patience what the efforts of

scholars like Chandrahari has in store for us as the future results of

their study. I am not ready to fully support/reject the co-relations

Hari points to. I may need more material, and proof to convince my

mind. But I would strongly appreciate the efforts of this man,

Chandrahari, in co-relating the subjects Yoga/Tantra and Astrology.

Whether it turns out to be base-full/base-less is totally another

issue. Even though I am not ready to fully-accept the Tantra-Astrology

co-relation he is pointing to, I fully accept the rhythmic co-relation

of human body and universe he points to, as it is a fundamental

concept in astrology. (I reserve my further comments on such things

for the future. Being a common man, on all knowledge branches, I would

like to depend on ancient astrological authorities, logic, and advice

of guru's to form my opinion. On religion and ethics, I value the

sound from with-in rather than authorities. But such points are not of

any concern here)]

3) What are the etymological meanings of Nakshatra names?

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Now comes the question what are the etymological meanings to the

nakshatra names? Let us look at some of the Nakshatra names.

1. Aswathi: Shows that it has 2 main stars, and that it is good for

medicine related endures.

2. Bharani: Shows that once rains started in this stellar division, as

the word originated from the word `Apa-bharani'.

3. Krithika: Shows that this group of stars has the shape of a

foldable knife, and also that it contains many stars. `Bahula' meaning

`many' is another name of this star-group. It contains many stars.

4. Rohini: means red. As per modern science it is a red-giant (an old

star that was bigger than sun). It has another name `Prajapathi'

meaning Brahma. Brahma (the creator) was considered to be born in

Rohini at the beginning of Yuga.

5. Mrigasira: Means head of a dear. It points to a Vedic story

related to Brahma, and to the shape of star-group. It has another name

`Agrahayani' which shows that once year commenced from this star.

6. Ardra: Meaning `Wet'. Shows that once rain season started in this

star. Its old name is `Bahu' meaning `arms' shows that it is one of

two main stars of this group.

7. Punarvasu: Meaning `many bright stars'. Yes. This group contains

many bright stars.

8. Pushya: Means expand. The cancer sign is also termed `bee hive'.

Pushya is a Nebula as per modern science. It has another name

`Devejyabham' showing that it good for all deeds related to god.

8. Aslesha: Shows that this star together with many other stars forms

the shape of a snake. It also means `embrace'. As per Hari, at yugadi

the hypothetical line joining 300 deg Sayana-Sikhi and 120 deg Sayana

Rahu was in the junction of Cancer and Leo.

9. Makha: Means King. Yema is the god of Time. This shows that Makha

has some importance in the forming the stellar divisions, and Hari

shows us what it is.

10. Poorva Phalguni: Means it the eastern star of the 2 main stars

seen in that part of the sky. It had another name `Arjuni' meaning

`one that create clouds' (which later get discarded), which shows that

once rain season started in this stellar division.

11. Uthara Phalguni: Means the western star of the 2 main stars seen

in that part of the sky. It has another name `Seenivali', which as per

Semitic language means `a tail in the sky', and as per Sanskrit means

`the new moon day'. This name points to some astronomical relevance.

OK. The list goes on. If anybody is interested in it, I will supply

the full. I think this much is sufficient to point to the fact that

the etymological connotation has some importance always.

4) Can I point to an etymological concurrency with other nakshatras

and chakras?

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The answer is - No, I can't see any. It may be a weak link in

Hari's argument. That is, of the three main arguments, such as,

1) Moola is the root star considered for zodiac division.

2) Moola has a co-relation with Mooladhara and thus to Tantra

3) There is a rhythmic co-relation between the human body and the

universe.

One can argue that, the 2nd argument is probably weak, in the

absence of etymological reference relating other nakshatras and

chakras. (But we shouldn't forget that Hari supplies much

supplementary data for the co-relation of astrology and Tantra. There

might/might-not evolve further study results that might undermine our

primary judgment) Also remember that, this doesn't undermine the

eligibility of Moola to be the root star of Zodiac division, as that

part is proved mathematically based on Suryasidhantha.

5) What about other Chakra Systems?

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You said -

>As regarding chakras, I don't know much as I am not well read but I

remember in

>Valmiki Ramayan in the first Vanavasa of Shri Ram and Laxyamana,

>rishi Vishwamitra taught them following Chakras.

>1) Dandachakra 2) Dharmachakra 3) Kalachakra 4) Vishnuchakra 5)

Indrachakra.

>We know that Indrachakras are nothing but 7 chakras in the jeevatma

>which begin with Muladhar and end at Sahastrakar. It is said that

true yogi will

>experience all these chakras....while doing abhyasa. I have no

knowledge of this

>but just wanted to indicate that there is a reference in Valmiki

Ramayana of the

>chakras other than usual Indrachakras.

Sorry. My knowledge is insufficient to give any explanation. I am not

am expert in this Chakra business. It is only when you say, I

understand that the 7 chakras are also called Indrachakra. I should

borrow your words - "I don't know much" (about all the other chakras),

I was just reacting to a situation from within my knowledge.

Let Goddess Saraswathy bless us all,

With warm regards,

Sreenadh