Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 om bhurbhuva svaħ bÅ™haspataye namaħ Dear Swee I was not there in the room at the time the argument started and can only say what others told me...That the use of 360 days per year for vimsottari dasa was objected to by V V Diwekar ji initially and then other issues came into question. According to this theory, vimsottari dasa works out to 108 solar years. I wonder if this is what Parasara meant when he said 'vimsottari'. How many solar years do you se for vimsottari dasa? Om muhurta, Diwekarji has questioned the use of Dasami as an auspicious marriage muhurta for which he has quoted the scriptures and proved. I was unable to find the counter argument from you. Can you show me where you have answered this? The argument that the marriage lasted is more due to the 7th house Jupiter in the chart of the lady and not due to the faulty muhurta choise has also not been answered. Please keep this at a subject discussion only as both the people concerned are learned in the sastra and we should not be dishonoring either in out bias or statements. and I have found that the replies sent to the lists in the past were more emotional outbursts than any meaningful discussion. Please quote the portion of Divekar ji's letter which you find wrong as far as the shastra is concerned. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * sohamsa [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Swee ChanSunday, August 28, 2005 5:43 AMsohamsa; varahamihiraSubject: Muhurata Rationale Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste I have just received the July - September 2005 Jyotish Digest and refer to the following points written by Mr. V.V. Divekar in the “Letters†section on page 7. The gentleman has written that birth details were not furnished and requests him to refer to the Jan-Mar 2005 issue of JD on page 50 where all names, including birth data were provided. On Muhurtas and their inviolate nature, Mr. V.V. Divekar’s protraction on Chandrashekhar Sharma’s disdain on ParaçÄra’s teachings were unnecessary. It is my believe that Chandrashekharji would ever claim to have derived a “new system†of looking at Bhava bala but more than likely, he strictly adheres on the method of ancients than on Çripati or Keçava systems, (which came into practice at a much later date). Without prejudice, I reiterate that anyone who has been a member on the Vedic Astrology list is very aware of the fact that Chandrashekharji is a purist in maintaining Jyotiña in its original form. Muhurta Rationale: On the purported remarks of Chandrashekharji on Muhurtas that are not being drawn up for taking Pravrajya in Çankara Açram with birth details of Çankaracaryas, these are two separate matters. Going over the same article, you will note the following rationale: a) One relates to an action or a ceremony, which is in the domain of Muhurta b) The second is with regards to the birth of a living being (person). So what is muhurta all about? Is every muhurta (which is recommended by the sages) to be excluded in Sanskaras (religious rites and other ceremonies) inviolate as is being made out? Having read many scriptures and astrological texts, this appears to be rather unlikely. Let us begin with marriage Muhurtas, as seems to be the controversy. Even a beginner of astrology has heard about Simhastha Guru being one of the excluded times for the performance of marriage and other religious ceremonies. So is this entire year or so of the time of Guru’s residence in Simha rasi really to be excluded? Is this the only time related to Guru that is excluded for these ceremonies? Let us see what is said about the ceremonies for which Simhastha Guru is to be considered as a muhurta to avoid: -----deleted for brevity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Om Gurave Namah 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Dear Sanjay ji, 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Namaste 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Skimming through Caraka samhita (for gemstones healing) the trio with Caraka saà hitÄ contains 120 chapters, so the simple aphorism on this is that,  each chapter equates to 1 year for the 120-year life span for us mortals mso-hansi-font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings">JJJJ 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">On a serious note and for academic purposes, there are 9 measures of time according to NP Ch56.109 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">These are: brahmA, deva, manu, pitrya, saura, sAvana, cAndra, aarkSa and guru. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">With reference to Narada Saà hitÄ chapter 56.113 evinces that a year is made up of 12 months 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Chapter 54.65 The number of Eastward revolutions in a kaliyuga= 432,000 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">In Chapter 54.72, it states that the number of solar months in (Kali) yuga = 5,184,000 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Thus: 5,184,000/120 = 43,200 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">           viz a viz        =43,200/360 (days) 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">                                   = 120 years 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Chapter 56.111-114 – saura mAna is used for reckoning of the motion of planets. font-weight:bold">sAvana bold"> mAna – pregnancy (Jataka) clouds bold"> and rains – nAkSatra mAna religious bold"> fasts, tonsures, marriage travel etc – cAndra mAna A year – a year by each measure is reckoned through the mean motion of Jupiter. Vivaha Muhurta 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">The sole purpose of choosing a good muhurta is to ensure the safety and longevity (life span) of a couple, especially for the man after mutual compatibilities of the couple’s “horror-scope†mso-ascii-font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-hansi-font-family:"URW Palladio IT"; mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings"> symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">J for the purpose of procreation so that the lineage is continued through the patrilineal consideration. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">In a Vivaha muhurta, NP chapter 56 shloka 429-430 ½  says that tithi forms 1 fold of the 5 fold considerations which are: Tithi, vAra, nakSatra, yoga, karana as well as potencies of the Sun + Jupiter (propitiate them if weak in the male or female Jataka), Moon and Venus. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Assuming cAndra mAna which is 30 days x 12 months = 360 days 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Take the 1st tithi as shukla pratipat ref. mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">NP "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> Chapter 54.126 -127 and planets etc in combustion are also to be considered including avastha of Venus and Jupiter. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">NP Chapter 56 shlokas 423 - 426 mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">grastAste "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> tridinaM pUrvaM pashcAdgrastodaye 'thavA| saMdhyAyAM tridinaM tadvannishIthe sapta eva ca||56.424|| 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">Meaning: Avoid the three days after their setting (combustion, infancy, old age) and three days before their rise (again). As far as their dusks are concerned, three day before setting and seven days before their rise should be avoided. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> mAsAnte pa~nca divasAMstyajedriktAM tathASTamIm| vyatIpAtaM vaidhR^itiM ca saMpUrNaM parighArddhakam||56.425|| "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";font-weight:bold"> "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";font-weight:bold">Meaning: Five days towards the close of the (lunar) month i.e., Krishna Ekadashi – Amavasya should be avoided; also the 8th (Shukla Astami), and the riktA days (which are Shukla Caturthi, Shukla NavamI, and Shukla Caturdashi). VyatIpAta and VaidhR^iti yoga should be avoided in their entirety and half of parigha. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">pauSNabhatryuttarAmaitramaru~ "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">ncandrArkapitryabhaiH "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">| samUlabhairaviddhaistaiH strIkaragraha iSyate||56.426|| 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">Meaning: The following nakSatras are recommended of Vivaha muhurta: mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">revatI "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">, uttaraphalgunI, uttarASAdha, uttarabhAdrapada, AnurAdhA, svAtI, mR^igashIrSa, hasta, maghA and mUla when they are not in vedha (mutual affliction). 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">Abhijit "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> and GodhUlikA Muhurta 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">caturthamabhijillagnamudayarkAS~ "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">nca "Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> saptamam| godhUlikaM tadubhayaM vivAhe putrapautradam||56.512|| prAcyA na ca kaliNgAnAM mukhyaM godhUlikaM smR^itam| abhijitsarvadesheSu mukhyo doSavinAshakR^it||56.513|| 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">Meaning: The fourth lagna from the lagna at sunrise is called Abhijit and the seventh lagna is called Godhulika. Both these are auspicious for marriage and will bless them with sons and grandsons. Abhijit is important for the people in the Eastern region (Bengal etc.,) and the people of Kalinga (Orissa), Godhulika is important. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">To conclude, if a muhurta is SOLELY conducive to a long lasting and happy marriage, we are wrongly portraying to the students that the mere choice (in a muhurta) over rides one’s natal “horror-scopeâ€. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT";mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">In Chandrashekharji’s chart, Dhanus rises. Jupiter the Lagnesha is in upachaya conjunct Moon. Gurus the 7th house and that vargaottama Saturn is in digbala and exchanges place with the 7th Lord, which is also in Vargottama. Guru not only aspects Saturn and Mars but also their mUltrikona house, viz a viz, those planets also aspect Guru's mUltrikona House. 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT""> 12.0pt;font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">However, the most important point here is the UL, which is Venus in its own sign. 2nd from UL is also aspected by a powerful Jupiter. mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS""> SA"> mso-bidi-language:SA">Love, mso-bidi-language:SA">Swee mso-bidi-language:SA">p/s I am away again this from this evening. mso-bidi-language:SA"> mso-bidi-language:SA"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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