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Kunda - Birth time Rectificaion

===============================

-An Article by Sreenadh (Sreelid)

Introduction

------------

Kunda Multiplication method can be used for Birth

time rectification. The word ‘Kunda’ originated from

Paralper system (Assigning numbers to Alphabets) in

Kerala. In which Ka=1 and Nda = 8. When alphabets are

used to write numbers, digits should be written in

reverse order. (Sankhayanam Vamatho gathi). Therefore,

Kunda = 81. What is the importance of this number? 81

= 9 x 9. It shows the Navamsa-Navamsa. (It is better

to use the word Navamsa-Navamsa/Nava-Navamsa to refer

to Kunda. As the word Kunda has got a Kerala regional

origin, and as it just notates a number, I am not

supportive to Chandrahari’s idea of relating Kunda to

Kundalini) The questions to be answered are:

1) Where this method originated? (What is the

authentic sloka connected with this method?)

2) How it should be used? (How it should be applied?)

3) How much rectification can be attained with this

method?

4) What are the demerits of this method?

Let us try to answer these questions.

Method

------

One of the authentic references we see about this

method is on Presnamarga. It says,

"Kundanikhne pridhak legne prashtre thara na

chethbhaveth

Kshipthva kaschith kalasthekthva(aa)neyam prashtre

jenmabham"

‘If the resultant longitude, of Asc x 81 falls on the

birth-star of the qurent, then the Asc is correct. If

it doesn’t, increase or decrease some minutes to the

Asc and again multiply with 81, and see whether it

falls on the birth-star of the qurent’.

According to the statement ‘Trikonagananam sarvathra

yojyam’ (You should consider trine stars always) in

Desadhyani (a famous vyakhya of Varaha-hora) and

Hridyapadha (another famous vyakhya of Varaha-hora),

the astrologers consider the trine stars of

Navamsa-Navamsa as well. Asc shows the body, and Moon

(birth-star) shows the mind. A combined effort of

these two is necessary for a birth to take place. That

is why the acharya says that both of them should be

related to each other. (Another factor to be

considered is the rhythm of the day. That is where the

Pancha-tatva comes into play)

The Presnamarga acharya is asking us to apply this

method in Presna. Can it be applied for birth-time

rectification in Horoscope? From where Presnamarga

acharya got this method? The root of this method lies

in Varaha-hora. In the words of Mihira-

"Tathkalamindu sahitho dwirasamsako ya-

sthathulya rasi sahitho purathassasanke

yavanudethi dina-rathri samanabhaga-

sthavathgathe dinaniso prevadanthi jenma"

This sloka has many meanings. Kunda calculation is

one of the interpreted meanings from this sloka.

‘Rasas’ are 9 in number. (Nava rasa) Therefore

‘Dwiramsaka’ means 9 x 9 =81. Therefore one of the

meanings would be ‘If Asc x 81 is equal to the

birth-star then it is the birth-time’. Therefore, now

we can say that this method can also be applied in

horoscopes. But from where Mihira got this method? The

root text is Sounaka hora. In the words of the great

saint Sounaka -

"yedrasi samjcha aadhane seethamso syannavamsaka

navamsaka navamso va soothi sthathsdhepi va vidhou"

This sloka has the same meaning as included by Mihira

in his sloka. Now we are sure that it is an authentic

method, put forward by the great saints, for the

rectification of birth-time.

What are the propositions of this method?

--------

The Navamsa-Navamsa (Kunda) takes 18 min to make a

complete revolution of the zodiac. As we are

considering the trine-stars, to cover 9 stars it takes

18/3 = 6 min. Therefore, the maximum correction we can

attain by using this method is half of 6 min. i.e.

(plus or minus) 3 min.

If we stick to the preposition that birth-star should

come in the trine-star of Kunda-sputa (Longitude of

Navamsa-Navamsa), one or two ideas comes to our

notice. They are-

1) No two birth can take place within an interval of

6 min. In other words, in the case of twins, there

would be 6 min. difference between the birth times.

(Only in the case of Siamese twins this law should be

violated)

2) As the methods for sex determination from

horoscopes are given in authentic texts (we can

determine whether the child is boy or girl from

birth-time/horoscope itself), it means that, Siamese

twins should be either both boys or both girls. No

Siamese twins with one of them boy and other girl

would occur. (As it is a fact we know, it could be

taken as a fact for the worth fullness of

Navamsa-Navamsa theory)

Such strong assertions pointed to by this method

should be tested scientifically. If found false, we

should drop this method, and search for more

reliable/authentic/rational methods.

In Hari’s words, ‘It all points to a rhythmic

correlation between the revolution of earth (Asc) and

the movement of Moon (birth-star)’. As the whole

astrology is concerned with ‘the inter-connectedness

of the rhythm of the universe with human/mundane

destiny’, it is not only a possibility, but also a

plausible research field.

What are the limitations of this method?

-------

Some of the limitations of this method are -

1) It only helps for (plus or minus) 3 min.

correction in birth-time. So if there is an error of

more than 3 minutes, Kunda multiplication method won't

be of any use.

2) Authentic texts such as Skanda hora (by god

Subrahmanya), Brihath prajapathyam (by Deksha

prajapathi), Sounaka hora, Presna-rethnam, Presnamarga

etc postulates the ‘Varga chathushtaya’ theory for

birth-time rectification. The Varga-chathushtaya (4

Vargas) include -

a) Navamsa (Asc x 9)

b) Navamsa-Navamsa (Asc x 81)

c) Dwadesamsa (Asc x 12)

d) Navamsa-Dwadesamsa (Asc x 108)

According to this theory, of the above 4 vargas, the

trine-star of two or more should coincide with

birth-star. The Skanda-hora statement -

"Dridam dwi bahu samvadath sarvam vidhi dwijothama"

‘If two or more methods point to the fact that the

birth-time is correct, then accept that as the correct

time’, is supportive of this. Navamsa-Navamsa (Kunda)

is just one of these methods.

Conclusion

----------

If you are using JHora software, you will see that

separate options for Nava(msa)-Navamsa and Kunda are

given. The longitudes arrived at by both are

different, and both of them does not seem to be

correct. It seems that PVR’s understanding of Kunda

(Navamsa-Navamsa) is clumsy. Otherwise, why should

there be two separate options for Kunda and

Navamsa-Navamsa in JHora software? Hope that PVR ji

will come out with some sufficient explanation.

We should always take the side of truth. This

statement is especially true in the case of

astrological research. At times we might be on the

side of wrong arguments, and when it reveals to us

that our arguments are wrong, we should be ready to

revise our views. ‘Saving face shouldn’t be by

sacrificing facts’. That should be the spirit of the

true astrologer, who is true to goddess Saraswathy.

Kunda is not an ultimate method for birth-time

rectification. I have done some special research on

the different methods available for birth-time

rectification available in ancient texts. Totally I

could find 12 methods (as per ancient texts) for

birth-time rectification, and for verifying whether

the Asc is correct. Of these ‘Varga-chathushtaya’ and

‘Pancha-tatva methods’ are the best ones I feel.

Varga-chathushtaya method gives importance to the

combined effort of Body (Asc) and Mind (Moon), while

Pancha-tatva method gives importance to the rhythm of

day.

 

NB :- True doubts and criticisms are encouraged. I am

always ready to accept new methods if they are found

effective and authentic. I humbly submit this article

before the scholars.

"Ano bhadra krethvoyenthu viswatha" (Rig Veda)

[Let knowledge come to me from all directions]

By Sreenadh

Email: sreelid

 

 

 

 

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Does the Jagannatha Software has two 2 different longitudes for Kunda-

Lagna and Navamsa-Navamsa-Lagna? I think it is impossible. I have

found that Kunda is correct and some error has crept into the Navamsa-

Navamsa. N-N is given for the Lagna not rectified by Kunda and this

cannot be termed as a mistake to allege deficiency on the side of the

author.

 

surya rao

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, sree nadh <sreelid>

wrote:

> Kunda - Birth time Rectificaion

> ===============================

> -An Article by Sreenadh (Sreelid)

> Introduction

> ------------

> Kunda Multiplication method can be used for Birth

> time rectification. The word `Kunda' originated from

> Paralper system (Assigning numbers to Alphabets) in

> Kerala. In which Ka=1 and Nda = 8. When alphabets are

> used to write numbers, digits should be written in

> reverse order. (Sankhayanam Vamatho gathi). Therefore,

> Kunda = 81. What is the importance of this number? 81

> = 9 x 9. It shows the Navamsa-Navamsa. (It is better

> to use the word Navamsa-Navamsa/Nava-Navamsa to refer

> to Kunda. As the word Kunda has got a Kerala regional

> origin, and as it just notates a number, I am not

> supportive to Chandrahari's idea of relating Kunda to

> Kundalini) The questions to be answered are:

> 1) Where this method originated? (What is the

> authentic sloka connected with this method?)

> 2) How it should be used? (How it should be applied?)

> 3) How much rectification can be attained with this

> method?

> 4) What are the demerits of this method?

> Let us try to answer these questions.

> Method

> ------

> One of the authentic references we see about this

> method is on Presnamarga. It says,

> "Kundanikhne pridhak legne prashtre thara na

> chethbhaveth

> Kshipthva kaschith kalasthekthva(aa)neyam prashtre

> jenmabham"

> `If the resultant longitude, of Asc x 81 falls on the

> birth-star of the qurent, then the Asc is correct. If

> it doesn't, increase or decrease some minutes to the

> Asc and again multiply with 81, and see whether it

> falls on the birth-star of the qurent'.

> According to the statement `Trikonagananam sarvathra

> yojyam' (You should consider trine stars always) in

> Desadhyani (a famous vyakhya of Varaha-hora) and

> Hridyapadha (another famous vyakhya of Varaha-hora),

> the astrologers consider the trine stars of

> Navamsa-Navamsa as well. Asc shows the body, and Moon

> (birth-star) shows the mind. A combined effort of

> these two is necessary for a birth to take place. That

> is why the acharya says that both of them should be

> related to each other. (Another factor to be

> considered is the rhythm of the day. That is where the

> Pancha-tatva comes into play)

> The Presnamarga acharya is asking us to apply this

> method in Presna. Can it be applied for birth-time

> rectification in Horoscope? From where Presnamarga

> acharya got this method? The root of this method lies

> in Varaha-hora. In the words of Mihira-

> "Tathkalamindu sahitho dwirasamsako ya-

> sthathulya rasi sahitho purathassasanke

> yavanudethi dina-rathri samanabhaga-

> sthavathgathe dinaniso prevadanthi jenma"

> This sloka has many meanings. Kunda calculation is

> one of the interpreted meanings from this sloka.

> `Rasas' are 9 in number. (Nava rasa) Therefore

> `Dwiramsaka' means 9 x 9 =81. Therefore one of the

> meanings would be `If Asc x 81 is equal to the

> birth-star then it is the birth-time'. Therefore, now

> we can say that this method can also be applied in

> horoscopes. But from where Mihira got this method? The

> root text is Sounaka hora. In the words of the great

> saint Sounaka -

> "yedrasi samjcha aadhane seethamso syannavamsaka

> navamsaka navamso va soothi sthathsdhepi va vidhou"

> This sloka has the same meaning as included by Mihira

> in his sloka. Now we are sure that it is an authentic

> method, put forward by the great saints, for the

> rectification of birth-time.

> What are the propositions of this method?

> --------

> The Navamsa-Navamsa (Kunda) takes 18 min to make a

> complete revolution of the zodiac. As we are

> considering the trine-stars, to cover 9 stars it takes

> 18/3 = 6 min. Therefore, the maximum correction we can

> attain by using this method is half of 6 min. i.e.

> (plus or minus) 3 min.

> If we stick to the preposition that birth-star should

> come in the trine-star of Kunda-sputa (Longitude of

> Navamsa-Navamsa), one or two ideas comes to our

> notice. They are-

> 1) No two birth can take place within an interval of

> 6 min. In other words, in the case of twins, there

> would be 6 min. difference between the birth times.

> (Only in the case of Siamese twins this law should be

> violated)

> 2) As the methods for sex determination from

> horoscopes are given in authentic texts (we can

> determine whether the child is boy or girl from

> birth-time/horoscope itself), it means that, Siamese

> twins should be either both boys or both girls. No

> Siamese twins with one of them boy and other girl

> would occur. (As it is a fact we know, it could be

> taken as a fact for the worth fullness of

> Navamsa-Navamsa theory)

> Such strong assertions pointed to by this method

> should be tested scientifically. If found false, we

> should drop this method, and search for more

> reliable/authentic/rational methods.

> In Hari's words, `It all points to a rhythmic

> correlation between the revolution of earth (Asc) and

> the movement of Moon (birth-star)'. As the whole

> astrology is concerned with `the inter-connectedness

> of the rhythm of the universe with human/mundane

> destiny', it is not only a possibility, but also a

> plausible research field.

> What are the limitations of this method?

> -------

> Some of the limitations of this method are -

> 1) It only helps for (plus or minus) 3 min.

> correction in birth-time. So if there is an error of

> more than 3 minutes, Kunda multiplication method won't

> be of any use.

> 2) Authentic texts such as Skanda hora (by god

> Subrahmanya), Brihath prajapathyam (by Deksha

> prajapathi), Sounaka hora, Presna-rethnam, Presnamarga

> etc postulates the `Varga chathushtaya' theory for

> birth-time rectification. The Varga-chathushtaya (4

> Vargas) include -

> a) Navamsa (Asc x 9)

> b) Navamsa-Navamsa (Asc x 81)

> c) Dwadesamsa (Asc x 12)

> d) Navamsa-Dwadesamsa (Asc x 108)

> According to this theory, of the above 4 vargas, the

> trine-star of two or more should coincide with

> birth-star. The Skanda-hora statement -

> "Dridam dwi bahu samvadath sarvam vidhi dwijothama"

> `If two or more methods point to the fact that the

> birth-time is correct, then accept that as the correct

> time', is supportive of this. Navamsa-Navamsa (Kunda)

> is just one of these methods.

> Conclusion

> ----------

> If you are using JHora software, you will see that

> separate options for Nava(msa)-Navamsa and Kunda are

> given. The longitudes arrived at by both are

> different, and both of them does not seem to be

> correct. It seems that PVR's understanding of Kunda

> (Navamsa-Navamsa) is clumsy. Otherwise, why should

> there be two separate options for Kunda and

> Navamsa-Navamsa in JHora software? Hope that PVR ji

> will come out with some sufficient explanation.

> We should always take the side of truth. This

> statement is especially true in the case of

> astrological research. At times we might be on the

> side of wrong arguments, and when it reveals to us

> that our arguments are wrong, we should be ready to

> revise our views. `Saving face shouldn't be by

> sacrificing facts'. That should be the spirit of the

> true astrologer, who is true to goddess Saraswathy.

> Kunda is not an ultimate method for birth-time

> rectification. I have done some special research on

> the different methods available for birth-time

> rectification available in ancient texts. Totally I

> could find 12 methods (as per ancient texts) for

> birth-time rectification, and for verifying whether

> the Asc is correct. Of these `Varga-chathushtaya' and

> `Pancha-tatva methods' are the best ones I feel.

> Varga-chathushtaya method gives importance to the

> combined effort of Body (Asc) and Mind (Moon), while

> Pancha-tatva method gives importance to the rhythm of

> day.

>

> NB :- True doubts and criticisms are encouraged. I am

> always ready to accept new methods if they are found

> effective and authentic. I humbly submit this article

> before the scholars.

> "Ano bhadra krethvoyenthu viswatha" (Rig Veda)

> [Let knowledge come to me from all directions]

> By Sreenadh

> Email: sreelid

>

>

>

>

> __

> Start your day with - make it your home page

> http://www./r/hs

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Dear Sreenadh,

 

The Kunda given done in JHora is quite accurate. If you can give an example, we

can discuss it further.

 

> given. The longitudes arrived at by both are> different, and both of them does

not seem to be> correct. It seems that PVR's understanding of Kunda>

(Navamsa-Navamsa) is clumsy.

 

My understanding of a lot of things may be clumsy compared to that of more

learned people, but I am afraid my understanding of Kunda is ok.

 

> Otherwise, why should> there be two separate options for Kunda and>

Navamsa-Navamsa in JHora software?

 

JHora offers two kinds of nava-navamsas. If the nava-navamsa option chosen by

you is the "Kalachakra nava-navamsa", then nava-navamsa longitude and Kunda are

totally different. That is why I have to give both as separate things.

 

Kunda has been there in the software for a long time. Divisional longitudes were

recently added on an experimental basis and were not thoroughly tested.

 

Divisional longitudes in navamsa, dasamsa etc are accurate, but there seems to

be a gross rounding error that is multiplying in the case of divisional

longitudes given in "vargat vargas". Thus, divisional longitudes of lagna and

planets given for D-81 seem to be off. I will look into it.

 

However, Kunda's longitude is found accurately by JHora. While nava-navamsa

longitude is found in a round-about way where rounding errors multiply, Kunda

is directly found by multiplying lagna's longitude by 81 and removing multiples

of 360. So the Kunda given by JHora must be quite accurate. If you are getting

different calculations, you may be making a mistake. Please give the birthdata

and the longitude of lagna and I can go through the calculations.

 

Let me give an example. Take the following birthdata: 1963 August 7, 21:15 (IST), 83e58, 21n27.

 

The longitude of lagna with Lahiri ayanamsa is 14 Pi 4' 55.90". This translates

to 344.08219444 deg. Multiplying this with 81, we get 27870.65775. Removing

multiples of 360 from this, we get 150.65775. This translates to 0 Vi 39' 28".

JHora gives 0 Vi 39' 27.95". That is correct.

 

If you say that the Nava-navamsa divisional longitude given by JHora has an

error, I can understand it (and I will fix it). But I absolutely don't

understand why you think that the longitude of Kunda given by JHora is wrong.

It is very accurate as far as I know.

 

BTW, my understanding of Kunda is formed based on the writings of my guru Pt

Sanjay Rath in his book ("Crux of Vedic Astrology: Timing of Events").

 

> Hope that PVR ji> will come out with some sufficient explanation.

 

I hope the above is useful. I do acknowledge a problem in the D-81 divisional

longitudes given in JHora, but I insist that the Kunda longitude given by JHora

is quite accurate. If you give any examples, we can discuss further. My feeling

is that YOU are making a calculation error.

> We should always take the side of truth.

> We should always take the side of truth. This> statement is especially true in

the case of> astrological research. At times we might be on the> side of wrong

arguments, and when it reveals to us> that our arguments are wrong, we should

be ready to> revise our views. `Saving face shouldn't be by> sacrificing

facts'. That should be the spirit of the> true astrologer, who is true to

goddess Saraswathy.

Only Saraswathy knows whether I am true to Her or not. But I am never worried

about "saving face". When I found logic to convince myself that my own previous

teaching or stand was wrong, I never hesitated to correct myself. I accepted

mistakes in my book, my software and my teachings. I am always looking to

correct myself. Sometimes, my sincerity and honesty in the pursuit of correct

knowledge even got me in trouble with some people.

 

IF you give an example where the Kunda longitude given by JHora is inaccurate, I will own it up.

 

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> If you are using JHora software, you will see that> separate options for

Nava(msa)-Navamsa and Kunda are> given. The longitudes arrived at by both are>

different, and both of them does not seem to be> correct. It seems that PVR's

understanding of Kunda> (Navamsa-Navamsa) is clumsy. Otherwise, why should>

there be two separate options for Kunda and> Navamsa-Navamsa in JHora software?

Hope that PVR ji> will come out with some sufficient explanation.> We should

always take the side of truth. This> statement is especially true in the case

of> astrological research. At times we might be on the> side of wrong

arguments, and when it reveals to us> that our arguments are wrong, we should

be ready to> revise our views. `Saving face shouldn't be by> sacrificing

facts'. That should be the spirit of the> true astrologer, who is true to

goddess Saraswathy.> Kunda is not an ultimate method for birth-time>

rectification. I have done some special research on> the different methods

available for birth-time> rectification available in ancient texts. Totally I>

could find 12 methods (as per ancient texts) for> birth-time rectification, and

for verifying whether> the Asc is correct. Of these `Varga-chathushtaya' and>

`Pancha-tatva methods' are the best ones I feel.> Varga-chathushtaya method

gives importance to the> combined effort of Body (Asc) and Mind (Moon), while>

Pancha-tatva method gives importance to the rhythm of> day.

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Dear shri Sreenadh

 

Thanks a lot for making us aware of the numerous methods in detail.

Hope you will provide some examples.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, sree nadh <sreelid> wrote:

> Kunda - Birth time Rectificaion

> ===============================

> -An Article by Sreenadh (Sreelid)

> Introduction

> ------------

> Kunda Multiplication method can be used for Birth

> time rectification. The word `Kunda' originated from

> Paralper system (Assigning numbers to Alphabets) in

> Kerala. In which Ka=1 and Nda = 8. When alphabets are

> used to write numbers, digits should be written in

> reverse order. (Sankhayanam Vamatho gathi). Therefore,

> Kunda = 81. What is the importance of this number? 81

> = 9 x 9. It shows the Navamsa-Navamsa. (It is better

> to use the word Navamsa-Navamsa/Nava-Navamsa to refer

> to Kunda. As the word Kunda has got a Kerala regional

> origin, and as it just notates a number, I am not

> supportive to Chandrahari's idea of relating Kunda to

> Kundalini) The questions to be answered are:

> 1) Where this method originated? (What is the

> authentic sloka connected with this method?)

> 2) How it should be used? (How it should be applied?)

> 3) How much rectification can be attained with this

> method?

> 4) What are the demerits of this method?

> Let us try to answer these questions.

> Method

> ------

> One of the authentic references we see about this

> method is on Presnamarga. It says,

> "Kundanikhne pridhak legne prashtre thara na

> chethbhaveth

> Kshipthva kaschith kalasthekthva(aa)neyam prashtre

> jenmabham"

> `If the resultant longitude, of Asc x 81 falls on the

> birth-star of the qurent, then the Asc is correct. If

> it doesn't, increase or decrease some minutes to the

> Asc and again multiply with 81, and see whether it

> falls on the birth-star of the qurent'.

> According to the statement `Trikonagananam sarvathra

> yojyam' (You should consider trine stars always) in

> Desadhyani (a famous vyakhya of Varaha-hora) and

> Hridyapadha (another famous vyakhya of Varaha-hora),

> the astrologers consider the trine stars of

> Navamsa-Navamsa as well. Asc shows the body, and Moon

> (birth-star) shows the mind. A combined effort of

> these two is necessary for a birth to take place. That

> is why the acharya says that both of them should be

> related to each other. (Another factor to be

> considered is the rhythm of the day. That is where the

> Pancha-tatva comes into play)

> The Presnamarga acharya is asking us to apply this

> method in Presna. Can it be applied for birth-time

> rectification in Horoscope? From where Presnamarga

> acharya got this method? The root of this method lies

> in Varaha-hora. In the words of Mihira-

> "Tathkalamindu sahitho dwirasamsako ya-

> sthathulya rasi sahitho purathassasanke

> yavanudethi dina-rathri samanabhaga-

> sthavathgathe dinaniso prevadanthi jenma"

> This sloka has many meanings. Kunda calculation is

> one of the interpreted meanings from this sloka.

> `Rasas' are 9 in number. (Nava rasa) Therefore

> `Dwiramsaka' means 9 x 9 =81. Therefore one of the

> meanings would be `If Asc x 81 is equal to the

> birth-star then it is the birth-time'. Therefore, now

> we can say that this method can also be applied in

> horoscopes. But from where Mihira got this method? The

> root text is Sounaka hora. In the words of the great

> saint Sounaka -

> "yedrasi samjcha aadhane seethamso syannavamsaka

> navamsaka navamso va soothi sthathsdhepi va vidhou"

> This sloka has the same meaning as included by Mihira

> in his sloka. Now we are sure that it is an authentic

> method, put forward by the great saints, for the

> rectification of birth-time.

> What are the propositions of this method?

> --------

> The Navamsa-Navamsa (Kunda) takes 18 min to make a

> complete revolution of the zodiac. As we are

> considering the trine-stars, to cover 9 stars it takes

> 18/3 = 6 min. Therefore, the maximum correction we can

> attain by using this method is half of 6 min. i.e.

> (plus or minus) 3 min.

> If we stick to the preposition that birth-star should

> come in the trine-star of Kunda-sputa (Longitude of

> Navamsa-Navamsa), one or two ideas comes to our

> notice. They are-

> 1) No two birth can take place within an interval of

> 6 min. In other words, in the case of twins, there

> would be 6 min. difference between the birth times.

> (Only in the case of Siamese twins this law should be

> violated)

> 2) As the methods for sex determination from

> horoscopes are given in authentic texts (we can

> determine whether the child is boy or girl from

> birth-time/horoscope itself), it means that, Siamese

> twins should be either both boys or both girls. No

> Siamese twins with one of them boy and other girl

> would occur. (As it is a fact we know, it could be

> taken as a fact for the worth fullness of

> Navamsa-Navamsa theory)

> Such strong assertions pointed to by this method

> should be tested scientifically. If found false, we

> should drop this method, and search for more

> reliable/authentic/rational methods.

> In Hari's words, `It all points to a rhythmic

> correlation between the revolution of earth (Asc) and

> the movement of Moon (birth-star)'. As the whole

> astrology is concerned with `the inter-connectedness

> of the rhythm of the universe with human/mundane

> destiny', it is not only a possibility, but also a

> plausible research field.

> What are the limitations of this method?

> -------

> Some of the limitations of this method are -

> 1) It only helps for (plus or minus) 3 min.

> correction in birth-time. So if there is an error of

> more than 3 minutes, Kunda multiplication method won't

> be of any use.

> 2) Authentic texts such as Skanda hora (by god

> Subrahmanya), Brihath prajapathyam (by Deksha

> prajapathi), Sounaka hora, Presna-rethnam, Presnamarga

> etc postulates the `Varga chathushtaya' theory for

> birth-time rectification. The Varga-chathushtaya (4

> Vargas) include -

> a) Navamsa (Asc x 9)

> b) Navamsa-Navamsa (Asc x 81)

> c) Dwadesamsa (Asc x 12)

> d) Navamsa-Dwadesamsa (Asc x 108)

> According to this theory, of the above 4 vargas, the

> trine-star of two or more should coincide with

> birth-star. The Skanda-hora statement -

> "Dridam dwi bahu samvadath sarvam vidhi dwijothama"

> `If two or more methods point to the fact that the

> birth-time is correct, then accept that as the correct

> time', is supportive of this. Navamsa-Navamsa (Kunda)

> is just one of these methods.

> Conclusion

> ----------

> If you are using JHora software, you will see that

> separate options for Nava(msa)-Navamsa and Kunda are

> given. The longitudes arrived at by both are

> different, and both of them does not seem to be

> correct. It seems that PVR's understanding of Kunda

> (Navamsa-Navamsa) is clumsy. Otherwise, why should

> there be two separate options for Kunda and

> Navamsa-Navamsa in JHora software? Hope that PVR ji

> will come out with some sufficient explanation.

> We should always take the side of truth. This

> statement is especially true in the case of

> astrological research. At times we might be on the

> side of wrong arguments, and when it reveals to us

> that our arguments are wrong, we should be ready to

> revise our views. `Saving face shouldn't be by

> sacrificing facts'. That should be the spirit of the

> true astrologer, who is true to goddess Saraswathy.

> Kunda is not an ultimate method for birth-time

> rectification. I have done some special research on

> the different methods available for birth-time

> rectification available in ancient texts. Totally I

> could find 12 methods (as per ancient texts) for

> birth-time rectification, and for verifying whether

> the Asc is correct. Of these `Varga-chathushtaya' and

> `Pancha-tatva methods' are the best ones I feel.

> Varga-chathushtaya method gives importance to the

> combined effort of Body (Asc) and Mind (Moon), while

> Pancha-tatva method gives importance to the rhythm of

> day.

>

> NB :- True doubts and criticisms are encouraged. I am

> always ready to accept new methods if they are found

> effective and authentic. I humbly submit this article

> before the scholars.

> "Ano bhadra krethvoyenthu viswatha" (Rig Veda)

> [Let knowledge come to me from all directions]

> By Sreenadh

> Email: sreelid

>

>

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