Guest guest Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji and learned members ''Chandra Hari's writings are full of brilliant points linked by very weak links which I have to take a leap of faith to accept. His whole idea of Mooladhara chakra at 240 deg is quite illogical in my view. I see no basis to put Kala Purusha's Mooladhara chakra at the end of his genitals''. I am not a scholar and expect comments from shri Hari or Sreenadh or learned memers of this group.With full respect towards your knowledge,i would say that your mail has many weak points and arguments. Let us see them in detail. >(1) Suppose indeed that Kala Purusha's Mooladhara chakra is in his >genitals (we'll argue about it later). Still, that extends over >210-240 deg. Why does Sri Chandra Hari take 240 deg? Why not, say, >210 deg (beginning) or 225 deg (middle)? >The point 240 deg is the end of genitals and beginning of thighs. Why >that point? >I cannot help but think that he chose 240 deg just because it is the >start of Moola star and the word "Moola" is a part of "Mooladhara >chakra". But, that's no logic. What is Moola - When we say Moola Hethu or Moola Kaaranam -it referes to 'Root' Cause.Thus Moolam is root,the part connected to earth in plants. In Human body too it is that region near to anus.Also Mooladharam is known as the Root chakra.Now we know Kaalapurusha and Human body has one to one correspondence as per Jyotisha- Am i wrong? If thighs begin after genitals,how do we align or locate genitals is going to be an interesting question.Do we have to wait until the end of genitals(depending on the length) to begin thighs!!!! Sage didn't differentiate between beginning of thighs for male and female.Thus where is this. Thus Where is base of spine and mooladhara. Identified by Yoga as the "Root Chakra," this Aura-center is located just below the base of the spine, between the anus and sexual organs. Where do we locate - ''between anus and sexual organs''.If we check our body anatomy we can see this within a horizonatal plane connecting the said points. Instead of a standing position assume,a lying position,on back.Imagine a vertical line starting from anus region and then through an errect penis facing up.Does it look like a Shiva Linga.For a male as well as female,this point is the same - Dont confuse with a male oragan as parallel to thighs. So are we able to locate mooladhara properly.This is not what i have read anywhere,but just my feeling. Thus Mooladhara has to be the junction between genitals and Thighs.And ofcourse it is the junction between 8th and 9th house ,viz 240 degrees. Meaning of Moolam ,Moolam nakshathra,Mooladhara chakram,Human body - Kalapurusha link and all are strongly linked - This is not an imagination or weak link,but a fact. Also pls see this site with picture of chakras to see where exactly is each chakra.You are knowing all these already,but kindly have a relook. http://www.adishakti.org/subtle_system/mooladhara_chakra.htm Now Sahasrara chakra is a common point that every soul is aspiring for and it is not within.Please think why Shadchakras are connected to shadvargas in jyotisha.If you want i can give the shlokas in another mail. The sapta or seventh is outside and is association with HIM - REALIZATION. I have read your mail as well as the works of Shri Hari.Ojectively i feel his works are brilliant.You too have agreed though you have found weak links.In my mail ,i have clarified my understanding on the weakness that you have seen. Narasimha ji i request you to respect all Gurus from whom, you have gained knowledge.But their words are not final. SHANKARA is FINAL,fix your mind in HIM and read the works, you will visualize all.I know you are aware of all this and this is just my humble suggestion. I request other learned members to share their views on this end of genitals,thighs Mooladhara and all.Kindly See the picture. Then imagine the vertical line as i have explained. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste Sreenadh and Chandra Hari, > > Thank you for the reply. Please don't call me ji. Just call me PVR or Narasimha. > > I will not attempt to convince you or others, but I will state my understanding and my views regarding chakras, lokas and Jyotish. Unfortunately, I cannot convince myself of the views you expressed below. > > > The Vyenjanm (Linga of Kalapurusha) is ascribed to Scorpio (210 deg > > - 240 deg). Certainly Mooladharam of Kalapurusha should come in that > > region, is it not so? How could it be at 180 deg? I feel Hari's > > argument is also in tune with the teaching of the Rishis. > > Some points: > > (1) Suppose indeed that Kala Purusha's Mooladhara chakra is in his genitals (we'll argue about it later). Still, that extends over 210-240 deg. Why does Sri Chandra Hari take 240 deg? Why not, say, 210 deg (beginning) or 225 deg (middle)? > > The point 240 deg is the end of genitals and beginning of thighs. Why that point? > > I cannot help but think that he chose 240 deg just because it is the start of Moola star and the word "Moola" is a part of "Mooladhara chakra". But, that's no logic. > > (2) Now, let us come to the more important question. IMHO, it is not at all true that Kala Purusha's mooladhara chakra is in his linga (genitals). > > The confusion could be because of Swayambhoo Linga. There is a linga (symbol of existence/ego) called Swayambhoo Linga in Mooladhara chakra, which is coiled by a sleeping Kundalini shakti in normal people. This linga is the normal self-identification in most people. But this linga is totally different from the bahya (external) linga. It is one of the three internal symbols of one's ego - (1) Swayambhoo linga in Mooladhara chakra, (2) Bana linga in Anahata chakra and (3) Itara Linga in Ajna chakra. None of them corresponds to the external linga. In my view, these three correspond to paka lagna, atma karaka lagna and surya lagna - the three key ways of self-identification. > > Mooladhara chakra is situated at the base of the spine and not in genitals. Mooladhara chakra of the subtle body does govern the sexual functions of the gross body. But that cannot make one say that Mooladhara chakra is situated in the genitals. > > (3) The way I see it, one's body is a microcosm of the Brahmanda (universe). The seven upper lokas and the seven lower lokas are in it. Mooladhara chakra is the bhooloka or the earthy world and is the base loka. It is the lowest of the seven upper lokas and should be in the middle of the body. The highest loka is Satya Loka and it is in Sahasrara chakra (at the top of the head). The next highest loka is the Tapo Loka and it is in Ajna chakra (in the forehead). The next highest loka is the Jana and it is in Visuddhi chakra (in the throat). The next highest loka is the Maharloka and it is in Anahata chakra (near heart). The next highest loka is the Swarloka and it is in Manipoora chakra (in the stomach). The next highest loka is the Bhuvarloka and it is in Swadhishthana chakra (in lower abdomen). Bhooloka (earthy world) is the lowest of the seven lokas and Mooladhara chakra corresponds to it. By default, our ego lives in that loka (i.e. has the samskaras of that loka) and aspires to rise higher. Below the Bhooloka, various lower worlds (Atala, Vitala, Sutala etc) lie. > > If you map the upper 7 worlds to 0-240 deg and the lower 7 worlds to 240-360 deg, that is an even mapping. I would map the upper 7 worlds to 0-180 deg and the lower 7 worlds to 180-360 deg. > > (4) Mooladhara chakra is the seat of all desires. It is at the cusp of the 7th house. > > Suppose someone is born with lagna at 15 deg in Le. The first house shows head. Sahasrara chakra is in 15-30 deg Le. The 2nd house shows face and hence Ajna chakra is in Vi. The 3rd house shows throat and hence Visuddhi chakra is in Li. The 4th house shows heart and hence Anahata chakra is in Sc. The 5th house shows stomach and hence Manipoora chakra is in Sg. The 6th house shows lower abdomen and hence Swadhishthana chakra is in Cp. The 7th house shows basti (the area just above genitals) and hence Mooladhara chakra, which is supposed to lie at the base of spine, is in 0-15 deg in Aq. At the cusp of the 7th house, we finished one half of the zodiac and hence the lower lokas start. Now, we get 7 lokas in the 7 parts between 15 deg in Aq to 15 deg in Le just like the above. We get the lower 7 chakras and lokas. > > For Kalapurusha, we take 0 deg Aries as lagna. So we get Sahasrara chakra at 0 deg point and Mooladhara chakra at 180 deg point. > > (5) I cannot convince you of my views. Similarly, you cannot convince me of Chandra Hari's views. To me, Mooladhara chakra of Kala Purusha being at 240 deg or being at the end of his genitals is a totally unappealing concept. I am fully convinced that it is wrong. You probably feel that whatever I have outlined above is wrong. You are welcome to draw your conclusions. > > As far as I am concerned, Chandra Hari's writings are full of brilliant points linked by very weak links which I have to take a leap of faith to accept. His whole idea of Mooladhara chakra at 240 deg is quite illogical in my view. I see no basis to put Kala Purusha's Mooladhara chakra at the end of his genitals. I know for a fact where MY Mooladhara chakra is and I would expect Kala Purusha's Mooladhara chakra to be in the same area (in the basti area or 7th house as per Parasara). > > You and Chandra Hari seem sincere and knowledgable. Though we have an irreconcilable and fundamental difference of view in this matter, I hope that we can continue to respect each other and remain as well-wishers of each other. After all, we are all pursuing the same Truth. Each individual has a separate path that one is destined to follow, before finding that same Truth! > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > PS: Happy Krishna Janmashtami to all of you! > > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Dear PVR ji, > > I have seen your message. > > "If the head of the Kala Purusha is in Aries, that's where you'd > > expect his Sahasrara chakra. If the throat of the Kala Purusha is in > > Ge, that's where you'd expect his Visuddhi chakra. And, you'd expect > > the Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha at 180 deg point of the zodiac. > > Why is it expected at Moola???" > > Just while reading that para, one sloka rushed-in to my mind. It is > > - > > "kalangani varangamananamuro hrith kroda vasobhritho > > vasthir vyenganamooru januyugalam jenkhe thathonkhri dwayan > > meshaswi predhama navarksha charana chakrasthitha rasayo....." > > I am sure that you know this sloka, it's meaning, and the book from > > which it is quoted. > > The Vyenjanm (Linga of Kalapurusha) is ascribed to Scorpio (210 deg > > - 240 deg). Certainly Mooladharam of Kalapurusha should come in that > > region, is it not so? How could it be at 180 deg? I feel Hari's > > argument is also in tune with the teaching of the Rishis. > > "One's logic is only as good as the weakest link in it." That is a > > good statement that I will keep to my heart. Thanks. > > Let goddess sarawathi bless us all, > > With warm regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c > > ...> wrote: > > > Namaste Pradeep and others, > > > > > > > I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I > > > > request scholars of this group to give their valuable comments. > > > > Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your > > > > experience and experiments will be in a better position for > > objective > > > > comments. > > > > > > Well, Sri Chandra Hari has kindly sent me a lot of material. I have > > only gone through half of it and plan to go through the remaining > > material also. I will reserve my final judgment until I read all the > > material. Here are some preliminary thoughts. > > > > > > At this time, I just want to say one thing. One's logic is only as > > good as the weakest link in it. For example, one may make excellent > > and logical statements about Jyotish and also make excellent and > > logical statements about Tantra, but the link may be a weak link. One > > not paying enough attention may get carried away by all the wonderful > > exposition and think "wow, what a beautiful theory about Tantra and > > Jyotish" without realizing that the link given is a feeble one. Let me > > take the following example. > > > > > > > We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi > > > > -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True > > > > -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi > > > > > > I cannot understand the link between Mooladhara and Moola star, > > except a similarity in names. Mooladhara chakra and the higher six > > chakras correspond to the seven urdhva lokas (Bhuh, Bhuvah, ... Satya > > ). The lower seven chakras correspond to the seven adholokas (Atala, > > Vitala, ... Patala). Thus, you would expect one half of the zodiac to > > be the urdhva lokas and one half to be adholokas. You would expect > > Mooladhara chakra to be half the way thru the zodiac. > > > > > > If the head of the Kala Purusha is in Aries, that's where you'd > > expect his Sahasrara chakra. If the throat of the Kala Purusha is in > > Ge, that's where you'd expect his Visuddhi chakra. And, you'd expect > > the Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha at 180 deg point of the zodiac. > > Why is it expected at Moola??? > > > > > > The region 0-180 deg contains chakras from Sahasrara to Mooladhara > > and the remaining 180 deg contains lower chakras (which lie in thighs, > > knees, ankles, feet etc). > > > > > > In a lot of material sent by Sri Chandra Hari, I found a lot of > > brilliant exposition joined by extremely weak links where you are > > expected to make a jump in thinking without convincing logic. > > > > > > To me, it is clear that Mooladhara chakra of Kaala Purusha is at 180 > > deg and NOT at 240 deg. > > > > > > This is my preliminary reaction and I will give a more conclusive > > view after I finish reading the material. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > Dear respected members > > > > > > > > Shri Chandrahari has done systematic and scientific > > researches(studied > > > > works of many involving babylonian,Greek and Indian astronomy) and > > has > > > > expressed his concerns regarding Lahiri Ayanamsha in clear terms, > > > > supported by valid points.Shri Sreenadh another learned scholar > > has > > > > expressed his views in another mail. > > > > > > > > Chandrahari has pointed out the difference between Chitras > > celestial > > > > longitude, computed as per Suryasidhantha and as concluded by > > Calendar > > > > reforms committee(CRC). > > > > He also quotes the words of CRC - ''"The observations made seemed > > not > > > > to be very accurate" and "some of the co-ordinates given could not > > be > > > > properly linked with the stars'' - Pointing to the possible > > > > inaccuracies. > > > > > > > > The beauty of Chandrahari's research lies in the,connection > > > > established between Yoga and Jyotishastra. > > > > We all know that Horoscope is called as 'Kundali' - which is the > > > > serpent Occult power coming under the branch called Yoga. > > > > Shri Hari through the brillinat genius in him and through > > intution,has > > > > clealry explained the analogy between Jivapurusha and Kalpurusha > > (Yogi > > > > and Cosmic Man). > > > > We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi > > > > -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True > > > > -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi > > > > chakram(originating from Rahu and Sikhi).We know about Rahu and > > Ketu > > > > and the related term KaalaSarpam(Time Serpent). > > > > Chandraharis works helps us to link and understand all these > > otherwise > > > > unknown terms - Rashi,Kundalini,Muladharam and their connections > > with > > > > Jyotishasthra. > > > > > > > > Malavyamahapurusha formed in lagna by Vargottama Shukara in shri > > Haris > > > > chart lording the Occult house of 8th,close to deep > > > > exaltation,explains his contributions and interests. > > > > > > > > I tried to take Shri Narasimhas chart and study some events as > > given > > > > in his website.''In 1987, I stood state first in Intermediate > > (higher > > > > secondary school)exams in the state of AP in India with a record > > > > aggregate of the decade and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I went > > to > > > > India's prestigeous Indian Institute of Technology in Madras (now > > > > known as Chennai).'' > > > > It was Saturn/Sun period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the 5th > > > > lord attaining neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing > > > > neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet that gets exlated in aries and > > is > > > > in a kendra from lagna). > > > > > > > > As per Lahiri - it will be Saturn/Moon I guess.Moon is the 11th > > lord > > > > placed in 6th.(8th from itself - can it give such a success?).Also > > > > Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru being the 7th lord placed in > > > > kutumbasthana. > > > > > > > > In Tagores chart, we are able to explain almost all events, > > applying > > > > simple classical principles.I will study and prepare a document on > > > > this at a later peiod.See SJC site. > > > > > > > > I am not requesting anyone to blindly take this based on couple of > > > > charts.These indications are certainly enough to kindle our > > interests. > > > > > > > > I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I > > > > request scholars of this group to give their valuable comments. > > > > Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your > > > > experience and experiments will be in a better position for > > objective > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot & Respect > > > > Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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