Mooladhara Chakra at 240 deg? (Chandrahari /Lahiri Ayanamshas)

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Namaste Sreenadh and Chandra Hari,

 

Thank you for the reply. Please don't call me ji. Just call me PVR or Narasimha.

 

I will not attempt to convince you or others, but I will state my understanding

and my views regarding chakras, lokas and Jyotish. Unfortunately, I cannot

convince myself of the views you expressed below.

 

> The Vyenjanm (Linga of Kalapurusha) is ascribed to Scorpio (210 deg > - 240

deg). Certainly Mooladharam of Kalapurusha should come in that > region, is it

not so? How could it be at 180 deg? I feel Hari's > argument is also in tune

with the teaching of the Rishis.

Some points:

 

(1) Suppose indeed that Kala Purusha's Mooladhara chakra is in his genitals

(we'll argue about it later). Still, that extends over 210-240 deg. Why does

Sri Chandra Hari take 240 deg? Why not, say, 210 deg (beginning) or 225 deg

(middle)?

 

The point 240 deg is the end of genitals and beginning of thighs. Why that point?

 

I cannot help but think that he chose 240 deg just because it is the start of

Moola star and the word "Moola" is a part of "Mooladhara chakra". But, that's

no logic.

 

(2) Now, let us come to the more important question. IMHO, it is not at all true

that Kala Purusha's mooladhara chakra is in his linga (genitals).

 

The confusion could be because of Swayambhoo Linga. There is a linga (symbol of

existence/ego) called Swayambhoo Linga in Mooladhara chakra, which is coiled by

a sleeping Kundalini shakti in normal people. This linga is the normal

self-identification in most people. But this linga is totally different from

the bahya (external) linga. It is one of the three internal symbols of one's

ego - (1) Swayambhoo linga in Mooladhara chakra, (2) Bana linga in Anahata

chakra and (3) Itara Linga in Ajna chakra. None of them corresponds to the

external linga. In my view, these three correspond to paka lagna, atma karaka

lagna and surya lagna - the three key ways of self-identification.

 

Mooladhara chakra is situated at the base of the spine and not in genitals.

Mooladhara chakra of the subtle body does govern the sexual functions of the

gross body. But that cannot make one say that Mooladhara chakra is situated in

the genitals.

 

(3) The way I see it, one's body is a microcosm of the Brahmanda (universe). The

seven upper lokas and the seven lower lokas are in it. Mooladhara chakra is the

bhooloka or the earthy world and is the base loka. It is the lowest of the

seven upper lokas and should be in the middle of the body. The highest loka is

Satya Loka and it is in Sahasrara chakra (at the top of the head). The next

highest loka is the Tapo Loka and it is in Ajna chakra (in the forehead). The

next highest loka is the Jana and it is in Visuddhi chakra (in the throat). The

next highest loka is the Maharloka and it is in Anahata chakra (near heart). The

next highest loka is the Swarloka and it is in Manipoora chakra (in the

stomach). The next highest loka is the Bhuvarloka and it is in Swadhishthana

chakra (in lower abdomen). Bhooloka (earthy world) is the lowest of the seven

lokas and Mooladhara chakra corresponds to it. By default, our ego lives in

that loka (i.e. has the samskaras of that loka) and aspires to rise higher.

Below the Bhooloka, various lower worlds (Atala, Vitala, Sutala etc) lie.

 

If you map the upper 7 worlds to 0-240 deg and the lower 7 worlds to 240-360

deg, that is an even mapping. I would map the upper 7 worlds to 0-180 deg and

the lower 7 worlds to 180-360 deg.

 

(4) Mooladhara chakra is the seat of all desires. It is at the cusp of the 7th house.

 

Suppose someone is born with lagna at 15 deg in Le. The first house shows head.

Sahasrara chakra is in 15-30 deg Le. The 2nd house shows face and hence Ajna

chakra is in Vi. The 3rd house shows throat and hence Visuddhi chakra is in Li.

The 4th house shows heart and hence Anahata chakra is in Sc. The 5th house shows

stomach and hence Manipoora chakra is in Sg. The 6th house shows lower abdomen

and hence Swadhishthana chakra is in Cp. The 7th house shows basti (the area

just above genitals) and hence Mooladhara chakra, which is supposed to lie at

the base of spine, is in 0-15 deg in Aq. At the cusp of the 7th house, we

finished one half of the zodiac and hence the lower lokas start. Now, we get 7

lokas in the 7 parts between 15 deg in Aq to 15 deg in Le just like the above.

We get the lower 7 chakras and lokas.

 

For Kalapurusha, we take 0 deg Aries as lagna. So we get Sahasrara chakra at 0

deg point and Mooladhara chakra at 180 deg point.

 

(5) I cannot convince you of my views. Similarly, you cannot convince me of

Chandra Hari's views. To me, Mooladhara chakra of Kala Purusha being at 240 deg

or being at the end of his genitals is a totally unappealing concept. I am fully

convinced that it is wrong. You probably feel that whatever I have outlined

above is wrong. You are welcome to draw your conclusions.

 

As far as I am concerned, Chandra Hari's writings are full of brilliant points

linked by very weak links which I have to take a leap of faith to accept. His

whole idea of Mooladhara chakra at 240 deg is quite illogical in my view. I see

no basis to put Kala Purusha's Mooladhara chakra at the end of his genitals. I

know for a fact where MY Mooladhara chakra is and I would expect Kala Purusha's

Mooladhara chakra to be in the same area (in the basti area or 7th house as per

Parasara).

 

You and Chandra Hari seem sincere and knowledgable. Though we have an

irreconcilable and fundamental difference of view in this matter, I hope that

we can continue to respect each other and remain as well-wishers of each other.

After all, we are all pursuing the same Truth. Each individual has a separate

path that one is destined to follow, before finding that same Truth!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

PS: Happy Krishna Janmashtami to all of you!

 

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> Dear PVR ji,> I have seen your message. > "If the head of the Kala Purusha

is in Aries, that's where you'd > expect his Sahasrara chakra. If the throat of

the Kala Purusha is in > Ge, that's where you'd expect his Visuddhi chakra.

And, you'd expect > the Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha at 180 deg point of

the zodiac. > Why is it expected at Moola???"> Just while reading that para,

one sloka rushed-in to my mind. It is > - > "kalangani varangamananamuro

hrith kroda vasobhritho > vasthir vyenganamooru januyugalam jenkhe

thathonkhri dwayan> meshaswi predhama navarksha charana chakrasthitha

rasayo....."> I am sure that you know this sloka, it's meaning, and the book

from > which it is quoted. > The Vyenjanm (Linga of Kalapurusha) is ascribed

to Scorpio (210 deg > - 240 deg). Certainly Mooladharam of Kalapurusha should

come in that > region, is it not so? How could it be at 180 deg? I feel Hari's

> argument is also in tune with the teaching of the Rishis.> "One's logic is

only as good as the weakest link in it." That is a > good statement that I will

keep to my heart. Thanks.> Let goddess sarawathi bless us all,> With warm

regards,> Sreenadh> > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c> ...> wrote:> > Namaste Pradeep and others,> > > > > I will

study some more charts and post them at a later period.I> > > request scholars

of this group to give their valuable comments.> > > Narasimha ji could you

kindly express your views on this.Your> > > experience and experiments will be

in a better position for > objective> > > comments.> > > > Well, Sri Chandra

Hari has kindly sent me a lot of material. I have > only gone through half of

it and plan to go through the remaining > material also. I will reserve my

final judgment until I read all the > material. Here are some preliminary

thoughts.> > > > At this time, I just want to say one thing. One's logic is

only as > good as the weakest link in it. For example, one may make excellent >

and logical statements about Jyotish and also make excellent and > logical

statements about Tantra, but the link may be a weak link. One > not paying

enough attention may get carried away by all the wonderful > exposition and

think "wow, what a beautiful theory about Tantra and > Jyotish" without

realizing that the link given is a feeble one. Let me > take the following

example.> > > > > We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name

Rashi> > > -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True> > >

-siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi> > > > I cannot

understand the link between Mooladhara and Moola star, > except a similarity in

names. Mooladhara chakra and the higher six > chakras correspond to the seven

urdhva lokas (Bhuh, Bhuvah, ... Satya> ). The lower seven chakras correspond to

the seven adholokas (Atala, > Vitala, ... Patala). Thus, you would expect one

half of the zodiac to > be the urdhva lokas and one half to be adholokas. You

would expect > Mooladhara chakra to be half the way thru the zodiac.> > > > If

the head of the Kala Purusha is in Aries, that's where you'd > expect his

Sahasrara chakra. If the throat of the Kala Purusha is in > Ge, that's where

you'd expect his Visuddhi chakra. And, you'd expect > the Mooladhara chakra of

Kalapurusha at 180 deg point of the zodiac. > Why is it expected at Moola???> >

> > The region 0-180 deg contains chakras from Sahasrara to Mooladhara > and

the remaining 180 deg contains lower chakras (which lie in thighs, > knees,

ankles, feet etc).> > > > In a lot of material sent by Sri Chandra Hari, I

found a lot of > brilliant exposition joined by extremely weak links where you

are > expected to make a jump in thinking without convincing logic.> > > > To

me, it is clear that Mooladhara chakra of Kaala Purusha is at 180 > deg and NOT

at 240 deg.> > > > This is my preliminary reaction and I will give a more

conclusive > view after I finish reading the material.> > > > May Jupiter's

light shine on us, > > Narasimha> >

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respected members> > > > > > Shri Chandrahari has done systematic and scientific

> researches(studied> > > works of many involving babylonian,Greek and Indian

astronomy) and > has> > > expressed his concerns regarding Lahiri Ayanamsha in

clear terms,> > > supported by valid points.Shri Sreenadh another learned

scholar > has> > > expressed his views in another mail.> > > > > > Chandrahari

has pointed out the difference between Chitras > celestial> > > longitude,

computed as per Suryasidhantha and as concluded by > Calendar> > > reforms

committee(CRC).> > > He also quotes the words of CRC - ''"The observations made

seemed > not> > > to be very accurate" and "some of the co-ordinates given could

not > be> > > properly linked with the stars'' - Pointing to the possible> > >

inaccuracies.> > > > > > The beauty of Chandrahari's research lies in

the,connection> > > established between Yoga and Jyotishastra.> > > We all know

that Horoscope is called as 'Kundali' - which is the> > > serpent Occult power

coming under the branch called Yoga. > > > Shri Hari through the brillinat

genius in him and through > intution,has> > > clealry explained the analogy

between Jivapurusha and Kalpurusha > (Yogi> > > and Cosmic Man).> > > We know

about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi> > >

-Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True> > > -siderial

-Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi> > > chakram(originating from

Rahu and Sikhi).We know about Rahu and > Ketu> > > and the related term

KaalaSarpam(Time Serpent).> > > Chandraharis works helps us to link and

understand all these > otherwise> > > unknown terms -

Rashi,Kundalini,Muladharam and their connections > with> > > Jyotishasthra.> >

> > > > Malavyamahapurusha formed in lagna by Vargottama Shukara in shri >

Haris> > > chart lording the Occult house of 8th,close to deep> > >

exaltation,explains his contributions and interests.> > > > > > I tried to take

Shri Narasimhas chart and study some events as > given> > > in his website.''In

1987, I stood state first in Intermediate > (higher> > > secondary school)exams

in the state of AP in India with a record> > > aggregate of the decade and with

300 on 300 in mathematics. I went > to> > > India's prestigeous Indian

Institute of Technology in Madras (now> > > known as Chennai).''> > > It was

Saturn/Sun period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the 5th> > > lord attaining

neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing> > > neechabhanaga(as sun is the

planet that gets exlated in aries and > is> > > in a kendra from lagna).> > > >

> > As per Lahiri - it will be Saturn/Moon I guess.Moon is the 11th > lord> > >

placed in 6th.(8th from itself - can it give such a success?).Also> > >

Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru being the 7th lord placed in> > >

kutumbasthana.> > > > > > In Tagores chart, we are able to explain almost all

events,> applying> > > simple classical principles.I will study and prepare a

document on> > > this at a later peiod.See SJC site.> > > > > > I am not

requesting anyone to blindly take this based on couple of> > > charts.These

indications are certainly enough to kindle our > interests.> > > > > > I will

study some more charts and post them at a later period.I> > > request scholars

of this group to give their valuable comments.> > > Narasimha ji could you

kindly express your views on this.Your> > > experience and experiments will be

in a better position for > objective> > > comments.> > > > > > Thanks a lot &

Respect> > > Pradeep