Question to all- Integrity of Jyotish Reading-where we are coming from

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Dear Santhosh

 

Most of the Shlokas of the classics can be easily seen to mean the

state of affairs for "that point of time". For example, in some

verses, Rishis talk about cattle, buffaloes, carts etc, which are

extraploated to mean so many things today. A chauffer driven car or a

sarathy driven chariot. In such cases, all we do is extraploation.

Even the greatest of gurus whom you are talking about will never

agree to a common point, simply because they "percieve" each and

every rule according to their own mindset.

Who knows Jaimini Sutras were talking about astrology alone!, may be

they are talking about some spiritual secrets. It is the

interpretation or rather perception of the so called Scholars that is

very much distorted view that has created all this problems.

 

one should know "where the rishis came from". The rishis were "seers"

who had done tapasya for so many years, and all what they wrote was

purely from "experiential point of view" rather than some bookish,

knowledge point of view.

 

I say to a child that fire burns, but unless he experiences it, how

will he know it??

 

Similarly, unless we ourselves are spiritually evolved, and have

experinced what rishis have experienced in our meditations, we can

never understand what they said,.

 

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

vedic astrology, santhosh A

<santhosh_room_41> wrote:

> Dear Partha Sarathy

>

> Really true, the verses given by rishi's is a

> single approach principle, it is in the interpretation

> of those verses has lead us to understand it

> differently and made everbody to go on there way.This

> can be corrected if our great current astology guru's

> understand what the each slokas says exactly and unify

> it.I know it is very difficult ,but unless it is being

> done we still all able to use astology for random

> intrepretations not exact prediction.

>

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

>

>

> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

>

> > Dear Santhosh

> >

> > That will never happen. There can never be a

> > unified theory in

> > astrology. Every rule in astrology has an exception.

> >

> > The debate to get a unified theory, a uniform system

> > that will work

> > all the times for all the people is the biggest

> > illusion under which

> > we have lived for thousands of years, and will

> > continue to do so,

> > unless we wake up.

> > best wishes

> > partha

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, santhosh A

> > <santhosh_room_41> wrote:

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > I agree with Shivan's view , as i also seen that

> > > different astrologers uses different methods and

> > try

> > > justify that there method is more acurate, but i

> > seen

> > > when i apply that method in some other cases it

> > fails.

> > > Even great guru's like PVR is saying astrology is

> > an

> > > art not science.I think this problem can be solved

> > > when

> > > we all put our expertise in experimenting

> > different

> > > charts and try to give results on a unified

> > > theory.When

> > > we unifies the approach , it makes prediction more

> > > accurate.It helps the others to understand, as all

> > are

> > > following same methods in prediction.We all should

> > > work towards making a single approach in

> > prediction

> > > which will solve all the problems

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hello Shivani

> > > >

> > > > Different astrologers give different viewpoints,

> > > > based upon their

> > > > knowledge and experience. Some always see

> > positive

> > > > even in the most

> > > > negative charts, and some see negative in the

> > most

> > > > positive charts.

> > > > It is better not to consult astrologers in the

> > first

> > > > place, and do

> > > > self introspection.

> > > >

> > > > Even when you take opinions of various

> > > > people(astrologers),

> > > > understand that the opinion is biased by so many

> > > > subjective factors

> > > > which makes it highly complicated.

> > > >

> > > > The best course of action is to follow what your

> > > > heart says. If you

> > > > know that you are kind hearted and helping lot,

> > then

> > > > what is the need

> > > > to react to their opinion? We react only when we

> > > > believe it to be

> > > > true. Resistance comes only when we dont accept

> > a

> > > > situation.

> > > > Atleast that is what i say to people who come to

> > me

> > > > for consultation.

> > > > I Just ask them to follow their heart as it

> > never

> > > > shows you the wrong

> > > > path. No prediction in this world, even when

> > made by

> > > > a saint can come

> > > > correct, if the consciousness of the individual,

> > or

> > > > the group agrees

> > > > to it. If the Consciousness doesnot agree to

> > what

> > > > has been predicted,

> > > > then some other reality is chosen, and only that

> > > > reality is

> > > > experienced.

> > > >

> > > > But astrologers will justify any event, because

> > the

> > > > knowledge is so

> > > > vast, techniques so many, tools so many that any

> > > > event can be

> > > > justified by clever analysis.

> > > >

> > > > And even future predictions are actually never

> > made

> > > > by astrology, all

> > > > future predictions are actually made by

> > intuition,

> > > > under the garb or

> > > > clothing of astrological analysis.

> > > >

> > > > I will tell you an incident. Once a old man came

> > to

> > > > me and asked me

> > > > if his daugher will find employment in the

> > coming

> > > > month. She was

> > > > unemployed for almost 6 months. When i opened

> > her

> > > > chart, i couldnot

> > > > see how she could get a job based upon the

> > knowledge

> > > > that i had

> > > > aquired. But still i predicted a job on May

> > 19th.

> > > > She indeed got a

> > > > job on that day, but my knowledge failed there

> > and

> > > > intuition worked.

> > > >

> > > > Some people might opine that i missed a trick or

> > a

> > > > technique, and if

> > > > i would have used that trick then definitely i

> > would

> > > > have known why

> > > > the event took place. But they will not or

> > cannot

> > > > answer me, when i

> > > > ask how come i predicted using time of births

> > that

> > > > were sometimes off

> > > > by minutes, sometimes days, sometimes even

> > years.

> > > >

> > > > We can reach to right conclusion without using

> > > > any "perfect "astrological tool is my experience

> > > > after reading some

> > > > thousands of charts.

> > > >

> > > > So what is the purpose of astrology if not

> > > > prediction. I now

> > > > understand that it can be used as a self

> > development

> > > > and aspiritual

> > > > tool. But that too till an extent. After one

> > crosses

> > > > the river, the

> > > > boat is no longer required. Similarly astrology

> > can

> > > > be used just like

> > > > a boat.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

> > > > "shivani_dass"

> > > > <shivani_dass> wrote:

> > > > > Respected Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Generally once a horoscope is interpreted by

> > an

> > > > astrologer it is the

> > > > > normal practise to go along with what has been

> > > > said and try to

> > > > > overcome those problems, but what happens if

> > one

> > > > astrologer says

> > > > > something completely opposite of another

> > > > astrolger? As astrological

> > > > > advice can have a far-stretched affect on a

> > > > persons life it is

> > > > > necessary therefore to seek the advice of the

> > > > consensus - a second

> > > > or

> > > > > third opinion even.

> > > > >

> > > > > My horoscope details when interpreted by

> > > > astrologers in the past

> > > > have

> > > > > always indicated a problem with getting along

> > with

> > > > people in terms

> > > > of

> > > > > relationships and so-forth, and have also

> > termed

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

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Dear Partha Sarathy

 

Yes when we mapping meaning of slokas in current

era, it is still difficult.As nowadays people asking

questions like will my son will do course nutrition,

aerospace, chemical engineering, bio technology etc

..This doesn't have direct mapping to old slokas which

basically states about details in their yuga's.So we

cannot use that directly now.That is why our gurus's

and we have work in doing lot of experiments with

basic principles and try to unify the interpreation.

 

Regards

Santhosh

 

--- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu wrote:

 

> Dear Santhosh

>

> Most of the Shlokas of the classics can be easily

> seen to mean the

> state of affairs for "that point of time". For

> example, in some

> verses, Rishis talk about cattle, buffaloes, carts

> etc, which are

> extraploated to mean so many things today. A

> chauffer driven car or a

> sarathy driven chariot. In such cases, all we do is

> extraploation.

> Even the greatest of gurus whom you are talking

> about will never

> agree to a common point, simply because they

> "percieve" each and

> every rule according to their own mindset.

> Who knows Jaimini Sutras were talking about

> astrology alone!, may be

> they are talking about some spiritual secrets. It is

> the

> interpretation or rather perception of the so called

> Scholars that is

> very much distorted view that has created all this

> problems.

>

> one should know "where the rishis came from". The

> rishis were "seers"

> who had done tapasya for so many years, and all what

> they wrote was

> purely from "experiential point of view" rather than

> some bookish,

> knowledge point of view.

>

> I say to a child that fire burns, but unless he

> experiences it, how

> will he know it??

>

> Similarly, unless we ourselves are spiritually

> evolved, and have

> experinced what rishis have experienced in our

> meditations, we can

> never understand what they said,.

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, santhosh A

> <santhosh_room_41> wrote:

> > Dear Partha Sarathy

> >

> > Really true, the verses given by rishi's is a

> > single approach principle, it is in the

> interpretation

> > of those verses has lead us to understand it

> > differently and made everbody to go on there

> way.This

> > can be corrected if our great current astology

> guru's

> > understand what the each slokas says exactly and

> unify

> > it.I know it is very difficult ,but unless it is

> being

> > done we still all able to use astology for random

> > intrepretations not exact prediction.

> >

> > Regards

> > Santhosh

> >

> >

> >

> > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Santhosh

> > >

> > > That will never happen. There can never be a

> > > unified theory in

> > > astrology. Every rule in astrology has an

> exception.

> > >

> > > The debate to get a unified theory, a uniform

> system

> > > that will work

> > > all the times for all the people is the biggest

> > > illusion under which

> > > we have lived for thousands of years, and will

> > > continue to do so,

> > > unless we wake up.

> > > best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, santhosh

> A

> > > <santhosh_room_41> wrote:

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > I agree with Shivan's view , as i also seen

> that

> > > > different astrologers uses different methods

> and

> > > try

> > > > justify that there method is more acurate, but

> i

> > > seen

> > > > when i apply that method in some other cases

> it

> > > fails.

> > > > Even great guru's like PVR is saying astrology

> is

> > > an

> > > > art not science.I think this problem can be

> solved

> > > > when

> > > > we all put our expertise in experimenting

> > > different

> > > > charts and try to give results on a unified

> > > > theory.When

> > > > we unifies the approach , it makes prediction

> more

> > > > accurate.It helps the others to understand, as

> all

> > > are

> > > > following same methods in prediction.We all

> should

> > > > work towards making a single approach in

> > > prediction

> > > > which will solve all the problems

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hello Shivani

> > > > >

> > > > > Different astrologers give different

> viewpoints,

> > > > > based upon their

> > > > > knowledge and experience. Some always see

> > > positive

> > > > > even in the most

> > > > > negative charts, and some see negative in

> the

> > > most

> > > > > positive charts.

> > > > > It is better not to consult astrologers in

> the

> > > first

> > > > > place, and do

> > > > > self introspection.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even when you take opinions of various

> > > > > people(astrologers),

> > > > > understand that the opinion is biased by so

> many

> > > > > subjective factors

> > > > > which makes it highly complicated.

> > > > >

> > > > > The best course of action is to follow what

> your

> > > > > heart says. If you

> > > > > know that you are kind hearted and helping

> lot,

> > > then

> > > > > what is the need

> > > > > to react to their opinion? We react only

> when we

> > > > > believe it to be

> > > > > true. Resistance comes only when we dont

> accept

> > > a

> > > > > situation.

> > > > > Atleast that is what i say to people who

> come to

> > > me

> > > > > for consultation.

> > > > > I Just ask them to follow their heart as it

> > > never

> > > > > shows you the wrong

> > > > > path. No prediction in this world, even when

> > > made by

> > > > > a saint can come

> > > > > correct, if the consciousness of the

> individual,

> > > or

> > > > > the group agrees

> > > > > to it. If the Consciousness doesnot agree to

> > > what

> > > > > has been predicted,

> > > > > then some other reality is chosen, and only

> that

> > > > > reality is

> > > > > experienced.

> > > > >

> > > > > But astrologers will justify any event,

> because

> > > the

> > > > > knowledge is so

>

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I think that what Partha has covered is indeed a true stating of how

astrology is meant to be and how it is actually taken in todays

modern society.

 

However, although the inner intuitive feeling of a person does carry

much reality, when at times a person is for some reason taken through

the path of astrology then that can also override the intial feeling

of what the person thinks at the beginning, and what is generally

given as a 'guide' or 'advice' from the astrologer can without

knowing become the direction that the person subconsciously tries to

undertake.

 

For example in my case as i explained earlier, i grew up thinking i

will have a wonderful married life etc....then suddenly all

mythinking was forced to be changed because i was told that i would

have a lot of problems. And for many years i believed this fact and

was afraid to come to terms with it, and although i began to accept

the fact i always began to think that i should not get married, it

was a painful and depressing state of mind to be in. Because these

days astrolgers words are taken at face value and normal people who

do not knwo about astrology or the ancient guides do not know how to

challenge the 'predictions' or indeed the guides that are given.

 

Now in my situation i would like to seek the ideas about my chart

from more than one person so that i can therefore decide what 'could'

be the more realistic interpretation. As astrology tool is so

powerful it has the power to change the course of a persons thinking

and their direction. And this is why i would like you if possible to

look at my chart and give me some direction.

 

Warm Regards

Shivani

 

 

 

vedic astrology, santhosh A

<santhosh_room_41> wrote:

>

> Dear Partha Sarathy

>

> Yes when we mapping meaning of slokas in current

> era, it is still difficult.As nowadays people asking

> questions like will my son will do course nutrition,

> aerospace, chemical engineering, bio technology etc

> .This doesn't have direct mapping to old slokas which

> basically states about details in their yuga's.So we

> cannot use that directly now.That is why our gurus's

> and we have work in doing lot of experiments with

> basic principles and try to unify the interpreation.

>

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

>

> > Dear Santhosh

> >

> > Most of the Shlokas of the classics can be easily

> > seen to mean the

> > state of affairs for "that point of time". For

> > example, in some

> > verses, Rishis talk about cattle, buffaloes, carts

> > etc, which are

> > extraploated to mean so many things today. A

> > chauffer driven car or a

> > sarathy driven chariot. In such cases, all we do is

> > extraploation.

> > Even the greatest of gurus whom you are talking

> > about will never

> > agree to a common point, simply because they

> > "percieve" each and

> > every rule according to their own mindset.

> > Who knows Jaimini Sutras were talking about

> > astrology alone!, may be

> > they are talking about some spiritual secrets. It is

> > the

> > interpretation or rather perception of the so called

> > Scholars that is

> > very much distorted view that has created all this

> > problems.

> >

> > one should know "where the rishis came from". The

> > rishis were "seers"

> > who had done tapasya for so many years, and all what

> > they wrote was

> > purely from "experiential point of view" rather than

> > some bookish,

> > knowledge point of view.

> >

> > I say to a child that fire burns, but unless he

> > experiences it, how

> > will he know it??

> >

> > Similarly, unless we ourselves are spiritually

> > evolved, and have

> > experinced what rishis have experienced in our

> > meditations, we can

> > never understand what they said,.

> >

> > best wishes

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, santhosh A

> > <santhosh_room_41> wrote:

> > > Dear Partha Sarathy

> > >

> > > Really true, the verses given by rishi's is a

> > > single approach principle, it is in the

> > interpretation

> > > of those verses has lead us to understand it

> > > differently and made everbody to go on there

> > way.This

> > > can be corrected if our great current astology

> > guru's

> > > understand what the each slokas says exactly and

> > unify

> > > it.I know it is very difficult ,but unless it is

> > being

> > > done we still all able to use astology for random

> > > intrepretations not exact prediction.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > That will never happen. There can never be a

> > > > unified theory in

> > > > astrology. Every rule in astrology has an

> > exception.

> > > >

> > > > The debate to get a unified theory, a uniform

> > system

> > > > that will work

> > > > all the times for all the people is the biggest

> > > > illusion under which

> > > > we have lived for thousands of years, and will

> > > > continue to do so,

> > > > unless we wake up.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, santhosh

> > A

> > > > <santhosh_room_41> wrote:

> > > > > Hi

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with Shivan's view , as i also seen

> > that

> > > > > different astrologers uses different methods

> > and

> > > > try

> > > > > justify that there method is more acurate, but

> > i

> > > > seen

> > > > > when i apply that method in some other cases

> > it

> > > > fails.

> > > > > Even great guru's like PVR is saying astrology

> > is

> > > > an

> > > > > art not science.I think this problem can be

> > solved

> > > > > when

> > > > > we all put our expertise in experimenting

> > > > different

> > > > > charts and try to give results on a unified

> > > > > theory.When

> > > > > we unifies the approach , it makes prediction

> > more

> > > > > accurate.It helps the others to understand, as

> > all

> > > > are

> > > > > following same methods in prediction.We all

> > should

> > > > > work towards making a single approach in

> > > > prediction

> > > > > which will solve all the problems

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Shivani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Different astrologers give different

> > viewpoints,

> > > > > > based upon their

> > > > > > knowledge and experience. Some always see

> > > > positive

> > > > > > even in the most

> > > > > > negative charts, and some see negative in

> > the

> > > > most

> > > > > > positive charts.

> > > > > > It is better not to consult astrologers in

> > the

> > > > first

> > > > > > place, and do

> > > > > > self introspection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even when you take opinions of various

> > > > > > people(astrologers),

> > > > > > understand that the opinion is biased by so

> > many

> > > > > > subjective factors

> > > > > > which makes it highly complicated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The best course of action is to follow what

> > your

> > > > > > heart says. If you

> > > > > > know that you are kind hearted and helping

> > lot,

> > > > then

> > > > > > what is the need

> > > > > > to react to their opinion? We react only

> > when we

> > > > > > believe it to be

> > > > > > true. Resistance comes only when we dont

> > accept

> > > > a

> > > > > > situation.

> > > > > > Atleast that is what i say to people who

> > come to

> > > > me

> > > > > > for consultation.

> > > > > > I Just ask them to follow their heart as it

> > > > never

> > > > > > shows you the wrong

> > > > > > path. No prediction in this world, even when

> > > > made by

> > > > > > a saint can come

> > > > > > correct, if the consciousness of the

> > individual,

> > > > or

> > > > > > the group agrees

> > > > > > to it. If the Consciousness doesnot agree to

> > > > what

> > > > > > has been predicted,

> > > > > > then some other reality is chosen, and only

> > that

> > > > > > reality is

> > > > > > experienced.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But astrologers will justify any event,

> > because

> > > > the

> > > > > > knowledge is so

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

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