donation/daanam & brahmin (2-Lakshman Ji)

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Jai Sai Ram

 

Dear Lakshman Ji

 

Well i agree to your points except one point.

 

>Once a brahmin starts to drink, he has lost his brahminism unless

>he has done a praayachitta and has absolved himself of the sins.

 

The above sentence holds good only for the brahmins who are priests

and to certain sects who are involed in priestly services.We cant

generalise to all sub-castes of brahmins like the brahmins who are

involved in Rajarik duties.I mean who work in the posts of

Ministers,poets,personal assistants to the King,the village or town

karanam(head),tehsildaars,landlords,zamindaars etc.These posts

involve drinking as a social-custom right from our Raja's &

Maharajas.Kings,Ministers use to drink and we are aware they use to

enjoy the services of the davadasis also.

 

Lot of people come into this ambiguity due to their inability to

segregate these sects and understand their identity.Drinking is not

a sin.You can take the example of 'Indra' who enjoys drinking and is

considered one of the successful.Like this we can quote numerous

examples from our puranas.Yes, drinking is sin when a priest or

person related to priestly services or a person related to temple

services drinks.

 

Hope you got my point.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Kumar Varanasi

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Lakshman Brahma

<lbrahma> wrote:

> Dear Usha

> Aperson does not become a brahmin just by birth alone

> even though it is one of a criteria, He is a brahmin

> by his deeds. Once a brahmin starts to drink, he has

> lost his brahminism unless he has done a praayachitta

> and has absolved himself of the sins. This is a

> debatable topic beyond astrological purposes and I

> don't want to waste the time of all people who will be

> reading this mail. the main points to be considered

> while donation is

> 1. The donor should donate with sincere intentions and

> not for the sake of donation to get some material

> benefits.

> 2. The donation should be to person who is in need and

> not to some one who is known or rich etc and will

> utilise the things received appropriately

> 3. You may give some sambhavana/dakshina to the priest

> or the brahmin who will conduct the special poojas if

> required in donation process.

> 4. Foremostthing is you should feel happy while

> donating and make sure that the donation serves the

> purpose for which it is intended.

>

> Best regards

> Lakshman

> > Respected Gurujis,

> >

> > When donation/daanam is recommended as remedy (for

> > ex. donate udad dal

> > for Budha dosha on Wednesday, black mustard seeds on

> > Thursday for Ketu

> > etc), is it mandatory that it should be given to

> > Brahmin.

> >

> > Also, in many places in BHPS, it says, feed "x"

> > number of brahmins

> > according to your capacity.

> >

> > But, my query is instead of giving to a drunkard

> > brahmin, is it not

> > better to give to a poor person ?

> >

> > Pundits, please throw some light on this topic.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Usha

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Dear Sunil ji Namaste,

As i have said this is a highly debatable topic and

not every one will agree with other's views. This I

had already mentioned. Plus I mentioned thus because

the context was to donate to a drunken Brahmin or a

poor deserving person. Now people who occupy high

posts and socialize necessarily do not need donations.

I leave the topic of drinking is not a sin as I am not

an authority on the subject. However one thing

certainly I know is it is a Tamasik addiction and it

reduces your intellectual abilities.

excuse me if I have offended in any way.

 

Cheers,

Lakshman

 

--- skumar_varanasi <skumar_varanasi

wrote:

 

> Jai Sai Ram

>

> Dear Lakshman Ji

>

> Well i agree to your points except one point.

>

> >Once a brahmin starts to drink, he has lost his

> brahminism unless

> >he has done a praayachitta and has absolved himself

> of the sins.

>

> The above sentence holds good only for the brahmins

> who are priests

> and to certain sects who are involed in priestly

> services.We cant

> generalise to all sub-castes of brahmins like the

> brahmins who are

> involved in Rajarik duties.I mean who work in the

> posts of

> Ministers,poets,personal assistants to the King,the

> village or town

> karanam(head),tehsildaars,landlords,zamindaars

> etc.These posts

> involve drinking as a social-custom right from our

> Raja's &

> Maharajas.Kings,Ministers use to drink and we are

> aware they use to

> enjoy the services of the davadasis also.

>

> Lot of people come into this ambiguity due to their

> inability to

> segregate these sects and understand their

> identity.Drinking is not

> a sin.You can take the example of 'Indra' who enjoys

> drinking and is

> considered one of the successful.Like this we can

> quote numerous

> examples from our puranas.Yes, drinking is sin when

> a priest or

> person related to priestly services or a person

> related to temple

> services drinks.

>

> Hope you got my point.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil Kumar Varanasi

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Lakshman

> Brahma

> <lbrahma> wrote:

> > Dear Usha

> > Aperson does not become a brahmin just by birth

> alone

> > even though it is one of a criteria, He is a

> brahmin

> > by his deeds. Once a brahmin starts to drink, he

> has

> > lost his brahminism unless he has done a

> praayachitta

> > and has absolved himself of the sins. This is a

> > debatable topic beyond astrological purposes and I

> > don't want to waste the time of all people who

> will be

> > reading this mail. the main points to be

> considered

> > while donation is

> > 1. The donor should donate with sincere intentions

> and

> > not for the sake of donation to get some material

> > benefits.

> > 2. The donation should be to person who is in need

> and

> > not to some one who is known or rich etc and will

> > utilise the things received appropriately

> > 3. You may give some sambhavana/dakshina to the

> priest

> > or the brahmin who will conduct the special poojas

> if

> > required in donation process.

> > 4. Foremostthing is you should feel happy while

> > donating and make sure that the donation serves

> the

> > purpose for which it is intended.

> >

> > Best regards

> > Lakshman

> > > Respected Gurujis,

> > >

> > > When donation/daanam is recommended as remedy

> (for

> > > ex. donate udad dal

> > > for Budha dosha on Wednesday, black mustard

> seeds on

> > > Thursday for Ketu

> > > etc), is it mandatory that it should be given to

> > > Brahmin.

> > >

> > > Also, in many places in BHPS, it says, feed "x"

> > > number of brahmins

> > > according to your capacity.

> > >

> > > But, my query is instead of giving to a drunkard

> > > brahmin, is it not

> > > better to give to a poor person ?

> > >

> > > Pundits, please throw some light on this topic.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Usha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Jai Sai Ram

 

Dear Lakshman Ji,

 

Namasthe,

Their is nothing much to debate on this topic it is purely one's

ability to understand,distinguish different cultures,sects,sub-sects

& people.Their is hardly any space for the perceptual differences.

 

Yes, I agree with you,certainly the donation/daanam has to go to a

person who is in the profession of performing vaidhik-

dharam/priest/monk. & This depends upon ones inteligence in

identifying the deserving person for donation/daanam.

 

> I leave the topic of drinking is not a sin as I am not

> an authority on the subject.

 

>Once a brahmin starts to drink, he has lost his brahminism unless

>he has done a praayachitta and has absolved himself of the sins.

 

Just to convey you,The two above sentences by you from your two

mails are contradictory to each other.Well Its ok.. i am sure you

got my point.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Sunil Kumar Varanasi

 

 

vedic astrology, Lakshman Brahma

<lbrahma> wrote:

> Dear Sunil ji Namaste,

> As i have said this is a highly debatable topic and

> not every one will agree with other's views. This I

> had already mentioned. Plus I mentioned thus because

> the context was to donate to a drunken Brahmin or a

> poor deserving person. Now people who occupy high

> posts and socialize necessarily do not need donations.

> I leave the topic of drinking is not a sin as I am not

> an authority on the subject. However one thing

> certainly I know is it is a Tamasik addiction and it

> reduces your intellectual abilities.

> excuse me if I have offended in any way.

>

> Cheers,

> Lakshman

>

> --- skumar_varanasi <skumar_varanasi>

> wrote:

>

> > Jai Sai Ram

> >

> > Dear Lakshman Ji

> >

> > Well i agree to your points except one point.

> >

> > >Once a brahmin starts to drink, he has lost his

> > brahminism unless

> > >he has done a praayachitta and has absolved himself

> > of the sins.

> >

> > The above sentence holds good only for the brahmins

> > who are priests

> > and to certain sects who are involed in priestly

> > services.We cant

> > generalise to all sub-castes of brahmins like the

> > brahmins who are

> > involved in Rajarik duties.I mean who work in the

> > posts of

> > Ministers,poets,personal assistants to the King,the

> > village or town

> > karanam(head),tehsildaars,landlords,zamindaars

> > etc.These posts

> > involve drinking as a social-custom right from our

> > Raja's &

> > Maharajas.Kings,Ministers use to drink and we are

> > aware they use to

> > enjoy the services of the davadasis also.

> >

> > Lot of people come into this ambiguity due to their

> > inability to

> > segregate these sects and understand their

> > identity.Drinking is not

> > a sin.You can take the example of 'Indra' who enjoys

> > drinking and is

> > considered one of the successful.Like this we can

> > quote numerous

> > examples from our puranas.Yes, drinking is sin when

> > a priest or

> > person related to priestly services or a person

> > related to temple

> > services drinks.

> >

> > Hope you got my point.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil Kumar Varanasi

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Lakshman

> > Brahma

> > <lbrahma> wrote:

> > > Dear Usha

> > > Aperson does not become a brahmin just by birth

> > alone

> > > even though it is one of a criteria, He is a

> > brahmin

> > > by his deeds. Once a brahmin starts to drink, he

> > has

> > > lost his brahminism unless he has done a

> > praayachitta

> > > and has absolved himself of the sins. This is a

> > > debatable topic beyond astrological purposes and I

> > > don't want to waste the time of all people who

> > will be

> > > reading this mail. the main points to be

> > considered

> > > while donation is

> > > 1. The donor should donate with sincere intentions

> > and

> > > not for the sake of donation to get some material

> > > benefits.

> > > 2. The donation should be to person who is in need

> > and

> > > not to some one who is known or rich etc and will

> > > utilise the things received appropriately

> > > 3. You may give some sambhavana/dakshina to the

> > priest

> > > or the brahmin who will conduct the special poojas

> > if

> > > required in donation process.

> > > 4. Foremostthing is you should feel happy while

> > > donating and make sure that the donation serves

> > the

> > > purpose for which it is intended.

> > >

> > > Best regards

> > > Lakshman

> > > > Respected Gurujis,

> > > >

> > > > When donation/daanam is recommended as remedy

> > (for

> > > > ex. donate udad dal

> > > > for Budha dosha on Wednesday, black mustard

> > seeds on

> > > > Thursday for Ketu

> > > > etc), is it mandatory that it should be given to

> > > > Brahmin.

> > > >

> > > > Also, in many places in BHPS, it says, feed "x"

> > > > number of brahmins

> > > > according to your capacity.

> > > >

> > > > But, my query is instead of giving to a drunkard

> > > > brahmin, is it not

> > > > better to give to a poor person ?

> > > >

> > > > Pundits, please throw some light on this topic.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Usha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Archives:

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Group info:

> > > >

> > >

> >

> vedic astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > > vedic astrology-

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> > Krishnaarpanamastu

> > > > ||

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the

> > web.

> > > >

> > > > To from this group, send an

> > email

> > > > to:

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to the

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

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