Chandrahari /Lahiri Ayanamshas

August 22, 2005

Dear respected members

Shri Chandrahari has done systematic and scientific researches(studied

works of many involving babylonian,Greek and Indian astronomy) and has

expressed his concerns regarding Lahiri Ayanamsha in clear terms,

supported by valid points.Shri Sreenadh another learned scholar has

expressed his views in another mail.

Chandrahari has pointed out the difference between Chitras celestial

longitude, computed as per Suryasidhantha and as concluded by Calendar

reforms committee(CRC).

He also quotes the words of CRC - ''"The observations made seemed not

to be very accurate" and "some of the co-ordinates given could not be

properly linked with the stars'' - Pointing to the possible

inaccuracies.

The beauty of Chandrahari's research lies in the,connection

established between Yoga and Jyotishastra.

We all know that Horoscope is called as 'Kundali' - which is the

serpent Occult power coming under the branch called Yoga.

Shri Hari through the brillinat genius in him and through intution,has

clealry explained the analogy between Jivapurusha and Kalpurusha (Yogi

and Cosmic Man).

We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi

-Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True

-siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi

chakram(originating from Rahu and Sikhi).We know about Rahu and Ketu

and the related term KaalaSarpam(Time Serpent).

Chandraharis works helps us to link and understand all these otherwise

unknown terms - Rashi,Kundalini,Muladharam and their connections with

Jyotishasthra.

Malavyamahapurusha formed in lagna by Vargottama Shukara in shri Haris

chart lording the Occult house of 8th,close to deep

exaltation,explains his contributions and interests.

I tried to take Shri Narasimhas chart and study some events as given

in his website.''In 1987, I stood state first in Intermediate (higher

secondary school)exams in the state of AP in India with a record

aggregate of the decade and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I went to

India's prestigeous Indian Institute of Technology in Madras (now

known as Chennai).''

It was Saturn/Sun period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the 5th

lord attaining neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing

neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet that gets exlated in aries and is

in a kendra from lagna).

As per Lahiri - it will be Saturn/Moon I guess.Moon is the 11th lord

placed in 6th.(8th from itself - can it give such a success?).Also

Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru being the 7th lord placed in

kutumbasthana.

In Tagores chart, we are able to explain almost all events,applying

simple classical principles.I will study and prepare a document on

this at a later peiod.See SJC site.

I am not requesting anyone to blindly take this based on couple of

charts.These indications are certainly enough to kindle our interests.

I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I

request scholars of this group to give their valuable comments.

Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your

experience and experiments will be in a better position for objective

comments.

Thanks a lot & Respect

Pradeep

August 22, 2005

Namaste Pradeep and others,

> I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I> request

scholars of this group to give their valuable comments.> Narasimha ji could you

kindly express your views on this.Your> experience and experiments will be in a

better position for objective> comments.

Well, Sri Chandra Hari has kindly sent me a lot of material. I have only gone

through half of it and plan to go through the remaining material also. I will

reserve my final judgment until I read all the material. Here are some

preliminary thoughts.

At this time, I just want to say one thing. One's logic is only as good as the

weakest link in it. For example, one may make excellent and logical statements

about Jyotish and also make excellent and logical statements about Tantra, but

the link may be a weak link. One not paying enough attention may get carried

away by all the wonderful exposition and think "wow, what a beautiful theory

about Tantra and Jyotish" without realizing that the link given is a feeble

one. Let me take the following example.

> We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi>

-Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True> -siderial

-Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi

I cannot understand the link between Mooladhara and Moola star, except a

similarity in names. Mooladhara chakra and the higher six chakras correspond to

the seven urdhva lokas (Bhuh, Bhuvah, ... Satya). The lower seven chakras

correspond to the seven adholokas (Atala, Vitala, ... Patala). Thus, you would

expect one half of the zodiac to be the urdhva lokas and one half to be

adholokas. You would expect Mooladhara chakra to be half the way thru the

zodiac.

If the head of the Kala Purusha is in Aries, that's where you'd expect his

Sahasrara chakra. If the throat of the Kala Purusha is in Ge, that's where

you'd expect his Visuddhi chakra. And, you'd expect the Mooladhara chakra of

Kalapurusha at 180 deg point of the zodiac. Why is it expected at Moola???

The region 0-180 deg contains chakras from Sahasrara to Mooladhara and the

remaining 180 deg contains lower chakras (which lie in thighs, knees, ankles,

feet etc).

In a lot of material sent by Sri Chandra Hari, I found a lot of brilliant

exposition joined by extremely weak links where you are expected to make a jump

in thinking without convincing logic.

To me, it is clear that Mooladhara chakra of Kaala Purusha is at 180 deg and NOT at 240 deg.

This is my preliminary reaction and I will give a more conclusive view after I

finish reading the material.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear respected members> > Shri Chandrahari has done systematic and scientific

researches(studied> works of many involving babylonian,Greek and Indian

astronomy) and has> expressed his concerns regarding Lahiri Ayanamsha in clear

terms,> supported by valid points.Shri Sreenadh another learned scholar has>

expressed his views in another mail.> > Chandrahari has pointed out the

difference between Chitras celestial> longitude, computed as per Suryasidhantha

and as concluded by Calendar> reforms committee(CRC).> He also quotes the words

of CRC - ''"The observations made seemed not> to be very accurate" and "some of

the co-ordinates given could not be> properly linked with the stars'' - Pointing

to the possible> inaccuracies.> > The beauty of Chandrahari's research lies in

the,connection> established between Yoga and Jyotishastra.> We all know that

Horoscope is called as 'Kundali' - which is the> serpent Occult power coming

under the branch called Yoga. > Shri Hari through the brillinat genius in him

and through intution,has> clealry explained the analogy between Jivapurusha and

Kalpurusha (Yogi> and Cosmic Man).> We know about Mooladhara,Moola

nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi> -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to

reconcile all into the True> -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram

or Rashi> chakram(originating from Rahu and Sikhi).We know about Rahu and Ketu>

and the related term KaalaSarpam(Time Serpent).> Chandraharis works helps us to

link and understand all these otherwise> unknown terms -

Rashi,Kundalini,Muladharam and their connections with> Jyotishasthra.> >

Malavyamahapurusha formed in lagna by Vargottama Shukara in shri Haris> chart

lording the Occult house of 8th,close to deep> exaltation,explains his

contributions and interests.> > I tried to take Shri Narasimhas chart and study

some events as given> in his website.''In 1987, I stood state first in

Intermediate (higher> secondary school)exams in the state of AP in India with a

record> aggregate of the decade and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I went to>

India's prestigeous Indian Institute of Technology in Madras (now> known as

Chennai).''> It was Saturn/Sun period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the

5th> lord attaining neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing>

neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet that gets exlated in aries and is> in a

kendra from lagna).> > As per Lahiri - it will be Saturn/Moon I guess.Moon is

the 11th lord> placed in 6th.(8th from itself - can it give such a

success?).Also> Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru being the 7th lord placed

in> kutumbasthana.> > In Tagores chart, we are able to explain almost all

events,applying> simple classical principles.I will study and prepare a

document on> this at a later peiod.See SJC site.> > I am not requesting anyone

to blindly take this based on couple of> charts.These indications are certainly

enough to kindle our interests.> > I will study some more charts and post them

at a later period.I> request scholars of this group to give their valuable

comments.> Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your>

experience and experiments will be in a better position for objective>

comments.> > Thanks a lot & Respect> Pradeep

August 23, 2005

respected gurus,

applying some simple principles of karakamsa on the navamsa charts

of shri rabindro nath thakur created with different ayanmsa's we get,

jupiter in karkamsa resultant that he is a know of all, writer but

not able to speak in assembly, moon in the 12th from karkamsa doesnot

help the literary capacity, applying raman ayanamsa we find saturn in

the fifth from karakamsa, so he should be dull witted in assembly

(??????), appling the chandra hari ayanamsa we find that saturn is in

6th and

but then moon moves to the 11th house, thus jupiter in karakamsa and

moon aspecting the fifth from the 11th applying which we get that he

shall be "a great writer and live by the same profession".

pranjal swarup

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear respected members

>

> Shri Chandrahari has done systematic and scientific researches

(studied

> works of many involving babylonian,Greek and Indian astronomy) and

has

> expressed his concerns regarding Lahiri Ayanamsha in clear terms,

> supported by valid points.Shri Sreenadh another learned scholar has

> expressed his views in another mail.

>

> Chandrahari has pointed out the difference between Chitras celestial

> longitude, computed as per Suryasidhantha and as concluded by

Calendar

> reforms committee(CRC).

> He also quotes the words of CRC - ''"The observations made seemed

not

> to be very accurate" and "some of the co-ordinates given could not

be

> properly linked with the stars'' - Pointing to the possible

> inaccuracies.

>

> The beauty of Chandrahari's research lies in the,connection

> established between Yoga and Jyotishastra.

> We all know that Horoscope is called as 'Kundali' - which is the

> serpent Occult power coming under the branch called Yoga.

> Shri Hari through the brillinat genius in him and through

intution,has

> clealry explained the analogy between Jivapurusha and Kalpurusha

(Yogi

> and Cosmic Man).

> We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi

> -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True

> -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi

> chakram(originating from Rahu and Sikhi).We know about Rahu and Ketu

> and the related term KaalaSarpam(Time Serpent).

> Chandraharis works helps us to link and understand all these

otherwise

> unknown terms - Rashi,Kundalini,Muladharam and their connections

with

> Jyotishasthra.

>

> Malavyamahapurusha formed in lagna by Vargottama Shukara in shri

Haris

> chart lording the Occult house of 8th,close to deep

> exaltation,explains his contributions and interests.

>

> I tried to take Shri Narasimhas chart and study some events as given

> in his website.''In 1987, I stood state first in Intermediate

(higher

> secondary school)exams in the state of AP in India with a record

> aggregate of the decade and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I went

to

> India's prestigeous Indian Institute of Technology in Madras (now

> known as Chennai).''

> It was Saturn/Sun period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the 5th

> lord attaining neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing

> neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet that gets exlated in aries and is

> in a kendra from lagna).

>

> As per Lahiri - it will be Saturn/Moon I guess.Moon is the 11th lord

> placed in 6th.(8th from itself - can it give such a success?).Also

> Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru being the 7th lord placed in

> kutumbasthana.

>

> In Tagores chart, we are able to explain almost all events,applying

> simple classical principles.I will study and prepare a document on

> this at a later peiod.See SJC site.

>

> I am not requesting anyone to blindly take this based on couple of

> charts.These indications are certainly enough to kindle our

interests.

>

> I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I

> request scholars of this group to give their valuable comments.

> Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your

> experience and experiments will be in a better position for

objective

> comments.

>

> Thanks a lot & Respect

> Pradeep

August 23, 2005

Dear friend,

Though I am not an expert on the matter,

seeking an excuse just to expression my ideas and apprehensions.

A lot of sweat and tears has been shed for deciding the most

accurrate and correct Ayanamsa.

In Vimshottari dasa system

if the relationship of planets as per Astakavarga System is

integrated into prediction of dasa results

the struggle and search for an Ayanamsa can be easily obviated.

Since dasa lord is treated as lagna and analysis is carried forward

on the basis of angular distance(independent of the Ayanamsa)

of the antar dasa/ sub-period lord

with reference to the dasa lord.

May be spending a little more time in fine tuning the birth time and

lagna sphuta be more useful.

May god enlighten us,

Srikanta

August 23, 2005

Dear srikanta,

The Ayanamsa Issue deserves this "sweat and tears" as it is one of

the fundamental issues to be solved. I am not an expert in

Ashatakavarga system of prediction, and so I cannot comment on the

second point.

"May be spending a little more time in fine tuning the birth time

and lagna sphuta be more useful." OK. That is also an issue that needs

urgent attention. Several time I tried to call the attention of group

members to issue, but none responds. If you are ready to express your

views on that subject, I am ready to participate in that discussion,

which may turn out to be a fruitful one. (Secret: I have done some

studies on the subject!)

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "asksrikanta" <asksrikanta@y.

...> wrote:

> Dear friend,

>

> Though I am not an expert on the matter,

> seeking an excuse just to expression my ideas and apprehensions.

>

> A lot of sweat and tears has been shed for deciding the most

> accurrate and correct Ayanamsa.

>

> In Vimshottari dasa system

>

> if the relationship of planets as per Astakavarga System is

> integrated into prediction of dasa results

>

> the struggle and search for an Ayanamsa can be easily obviated.

> Since dasa lord is treated as lagna and analysis is carried forward

> on the basis of angular distance(independent of the Ayanamsa)

> of the antar dasa/ sub-period lord

> with reference to the dasa lord.

>

> May be spending a little more time in fine tuning the birth time and

> lagna sphuta be more useful.

>

> May god enlighten us,

>

> Srikanta

August 23, 2005

Dear PVR ji,

I have seen your message.

"If the head of the Kala Purusha is in Aries, that's where you'd

expect his Sahasrara chakra. If the throat of the Kala Purusha is in

Ge, that's where you'd expect his Visuddhi chakra. And, you'd expect

the Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha at 180 deg point of the zodiac.

Why is it expected at Moola???"

Just while reading that para, one sloka rushed-in to my mind. It is

-

"kalangani varangamananamuro hrith kroda vasobhritho

vasthir vyenganamooru januyugalam jenkhe thathonkhri dwayan

meshaswi predhama navarksha charana chakrasthitha rasayo....."

I am sure that you know this sloka, it's meaning, and the book from

which it is quoted.

The Vyenjanm (Linga of Kalapurusha) is ascribed to Scorpio (210 deg

- 240 deg). Certainly Mooladharam of Kalapurusha should come in that

region, is it not so? How could it be at 180 deg? I feel Hari's

argument is also in tune with the teaching of the Rishis.

"One's logic is only as good as the weakest link in it." That is a

good statement that I will keep to my heart. Thanks.

Let goddess sarawathi bless us all,

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c

....> wrote:

> Namaste Pradeep and others,

>

> > I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I

> > request scholars of this group to give their valuable comments.

> > Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your

> > experience and experiments will be in a better position for

objective

> > comments.

>

> Well, Sri Chandra Hari has kindly sent me a lot of material. I have

only gone through half of it and plan to go through the remaining

material also. I will reserve my final judgment until I read all the

material. Here are some preliminary thoughts.

>

> At this time, I just want to say one thing. One's logic is only as

good as the weakest link in it. For example, one may make excellent

and logical statements about Jyotish and also make excellent and

logical statements about Tantra, but the link may be a weak link. One

not paying enough attention may get carried away by all the wonderful

exposition and think "wow, what a beautiful theory about Tantra and

Jyotish" without realizing that the link given is a feeble one. Let me

take the following example.

>

> > We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi

> > -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True

> > -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi

>

> I cannot understand the link between Mooladhara and Moola star,

except a similarity in names. Mooladhara chakra and the higher six

chakras correspond to the seven urdhva lokas (Bhuh, Bhuvah, ... Satya

). The lower seven chakras correspond to the seven adholokas (Atala,

Vitala, ... Patala). Thus, you would expect one half of the zodiac to

be the urdhva lokas and one half to be adholokas. You would expect

Mooladhara chakra to be half the way thru the zodiac.

>

> If the head of the Kala Purusha is in Aries, that's where you'd

expect his Sahasrara chakra. If the throat of the Kala Purusha is in

Ge, that's where you'd expect his Visuddhi chakra. And, you'd expect

the Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha at 180 deg point of the zodiac.

Why is it expected at Moola???

>

> The region 0-180 deg contains chakras from Sahasrara to Mooladhara

and the remaining 180 deg contains lower chakras (which lie in thighs,

knees, ankles, feet etc).

>

> In a lot of material sent by Sri Chandra Hari, I found a lot of

brilliant exposition joined by extremely weak links where you are

expected to make a jump in thinking without convincing logic.

>

> To me, it is clear that Mooladhara chakra of Kaala Purusha is at 180

deg and NOT at 240 deg.

>

> This is my preliminary reaction and I will give a more conclusive

view after I finish reading the material.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> > Dear respected members

> >

> > Shri Chandrahari has done systematic and scientific

researches(studied

> > works of many involving babylonian,Greek and Indian astronomy) and

has

> > expressed his concerns regarding Lahiri Ayanamsha in clear terms,

> > supported by valid points.Shri Sreenadh another learned scholar

has

> > expressed his views in another mail.

> >

> > Chandrahari has pointed out the difference between Chitras

celestial

> > longitude, computed as per Suryasidhantha and as concluded by

Calendar

> > reforms committee(CRC).

> > He also quotes the words of CRC - ''"The observations made seemed

not

> > to be very accurate" and "some of the co-ordinates given could not

be

> > properly linked with the stars'' - Pointing to the possible

> > inaccuracies.

> >

> > The beauty of Chandrahari's research lies in the,connection

> > established between Yoga and Jyotishastra.

> > We all know that Horoscope is called as 'Kundali' - which is the

> > serpent Occult power coming under the branch called Yoga.

> > Shri Hari through the brillinat genius in him and through

intution,has

> > clealry explained the analogy between Jivapurusha and Kalpurusha

(Yogi

> > and Cosmic Man).

> > We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name Rashi

> > -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True

> > -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi

> > chakram(originating from Rahu and Sikhi).We know about Rahu and

Ketu

> > and the related term KaalaSarpam(Time Serpent).

> > Chandraharis works helps us to link and understand all these

otherwise

> > unknown terms - Rashi,Kundalini,Muladharam and their connections

with

> > Jyotishasthra.

> >

> > Malavyamahapurusha formed in lagna by Vargottama Shukara in shri

Haris

> > chart lording the Occult house of 8th,close to deep

> > exaltation,explains his contributions and interests.

> >

> > I tried to take Shri Narasimhas chart and study some events as

given

> > in his website.''In 1987, I stood state first in Intermediate

(higher

> > secondary school)exams in the state of AP in India with a record

> > aggregate of the decade and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I went

to

> > India's prestigeous Indian Institute of Technology in Madras (now

> > known as Chennai).''

> > It was Saturn/Sun period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the 5th

> > lord attaining neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing

> > neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet that gets exlated in aries and

is

> > in a kendra from lagna).

> >

> > As per Lahiri - it will be Saturn/Moon I guess.Moon is the 11th

lord

> > placed in 6th.(8th from itself - can it give such a success?).Also

> > Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru being the 7th lord placed in

> > kutumbasthana.

> >

> > In Tagores chart, we are able to explain almost all events,

applying

> > simple classical principles.I will study and prepare a document on

> > this at a later peiod.See SJC site.

> >

> > I am not requesting anyone to blindly take this based on couple of

> > charts.These indications are certainly enough to kindle our

interests.

> >

> > I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I

> > request scholars of this group to give their valuable comments.

> > Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your

> > experience and experiments will be in a better position for

objective

> > comments.

> >

> > Thanks a lot & Respect

> > Pradeep

August 23, 2005

There are controversies of where to see the karakamsha in. KN Rao moves it to

Rashi, you seem to be using it in navansha. So the answer is not that simple

and I am sure people can produce charts that validate their pet theory. Also

accuracy of TOB is a real sticking point.

....

P.S. As per Mrityubhaag, I agrree with NArasimha completely. 5 means 5th degree

between 4 and 5.

On 8/23/05, PRANJAL SWARUP <coolpranjal > wrote:

respected gurus, applying some simple principles of karakamsa on the navamsa

charts of shri rabindro nath thakur created with different ayanmsa's we get,

jupiter in karkamsa resultant that he is a know of all, writer but not able to

speak in assembly, moon in the 12th from karkamsa doesnot help the literary

capacity, applying raman ayanamsa we find saturn in

the fifth from karakamsa, so he should be dull witted in assembly(??????),

appling the chandra hari ayanamsa we find that saturn is in 6th and but then

moon moves to the 11th house, thus jupiter in karakamsa and moon aspecting the

fifth from the 11th applying which we get that he shall be "a great writer and

live by the same profession".pranjal swarup

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep>

wrote:> Dear respected members> > Shri Chandrahari has done systematic and

scientific researches(studied> works of many involving babylonian,Greek and

Indian astronomy) and has> expressed his concerns regarding Lahiri Ayanamsha in

clear terms,> supported by valid points.Shri Sreenadh another learned scholar

has> expressed his views in another mail.> > Chandrahari has pointed out the

difference between Chitras celestial

> longitude, computed as per Suryasidhantha and as concluded by Calendar>

reforms committee(CRC).> He also quotes the words of CRC - ''"The observations

made seemed not> to be very accurate" and "some of the co-ordinates given could

not be> properly linked with the stars'' - Pointing to the possible>

inaccuracies.> > The beauty of Chandrahari's research lies in the,connection>

established between Yoga and Jyotishastra.

> We all know that Horoscope is called as 'Kundali' - which is the> serpent

Occult power coming under the branch called Yoga. > Shri Hari through the

brillinat genius in him and through intution,has

> clealry explained the analogy between Jivapurusha and Kalpurusha (Yogi> and

Cosmic Man).> We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name

Rashi> -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True

> -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi> chakram(originating

from Rahu and Sikhi).We know about Rahu and Ketu> and the related term

KaalaSarpam(Time Serpent).> Chandraharis works helps us to link and understand

all these otherwise> unknown terms - Rashi,Kundalini,Muladharam and their

connections with> Jyotishasthra.> > Malavyamahapurusha formed in lagna by

Vargottama Shukara in shri Haris> chart lording the Occult house of 8th,close

to deep

> exaltation,explains his contributions and interests.> > I tried to take Shri

Narasimhas chart and study some events as given> in his website.''In 1987, I

stood state first in Intermediate

(higher> secondary school)exams in the state of AP in India with a record>

aggregate of the decade and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I went to> India's

prestigeous Indian Institute of Technology in Madras (now

> known as Chennai).''> It was Saturn/Sun period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn

is the 5th> lord attaining neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing>

neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet that gets exlated in aries and is

> in a kendra from lagna).> > As per Lahiri - it will be Saturn/Moon I

guess.Moon is the 11th lord> placed in 6th.(8th from itself - can it give such

a success?).Also> Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru being the 7th lord placed

in

> kutumbasthana.> > In Tagores chart, we are able to explain almost all

events,applying> simple classical principles.I will study and prepare a

document on> this at a later peiod.See SJC site.

> > I am not requesting anyone to blindly take this based on couple of>

charts.These indications are certainly enough to kindle our interests.> > I

will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I> request scholars

of this group to give their valuable comments.> Narasimha ji could you kindly

express your views on this.Your> experience and experiments will be in a better

position for

objective> comments.> > Thanks a lot & Respect> Pradeep

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Namaste Narasimha ji and respected memebers

Thanks for your kind reply.

Your critical mind and search for the weakest links are ofcourse the

traits of a good knowledge seeker.As you might have seen from the

numerous papers(as in your case,i too was able to read only a few of

them,due to time constaraint) ,there is little nonsense talk.It is

all based on relevant quotes and solid research.

I request you to approach his papers with objectivity.At the same

time i would request you to, continue to be critical, during your

further anaylsis - as this will help in removing the slightest of

doubts ,that remain.

Regarding Mooladhara,Moolam and 240 degrees vis-a-vis

Kalapurusha,Shri Sreenadh has already given explanation.As you are

aware, i am far less learned and has no more to add.

Is it possible to make the paper from shri Hari ''Basics of

Ayanamsha Dispute'' - available to all list members.

I request other members to have a look at ''Yoga principles

underlying Indian astronomy'' -which i had uploaded couple of days

back.Members can experiment this ayanamsha value using JHORA.Roughly

44 minutes more than lahiri.

Respect

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste Pradeep and others,

>

> > I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I

> > request scholars of this group to give their valuable comments.

> > Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your

> > experience and experiments will be in a better position for

objective

> > comments.

>

> Well, Sri Chandra Hari has kindly sent me a lot of material. I

have only gone through half of it and plan to go through the

remaining material also. I will reserve my final judgment until I

read all the material. Here are some preliminary thoughts.

>

> At this time, I just want to say one thing. One's logic is only as

good as the weakest link in it. For example, one may make excellent

and logical statements about Jyotish and also make excellent and

logical statements about Tantra, but the link may be a weak link.

One not paying enough attention may get carried away by all the

wonderful exposition and think "wow, what a beautiful theory about

Tantra and Jyotish" without realizing that the link given is a

feeble one. Let me take the following example.

>

> > We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name

Rashi

> > -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True

> > -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi

>

> I cannot understand the link between Mooladhara and Moola star,

except a similarity in names. Mooladhara chakra and the higher six

chakras correspond to the seven urdhva lokas (Bhuh, Bhuvah, ...

Satya). The lower seven chakras correspond to the seven adholokas

(Atala, Vitala, ... Patala). Thus, you would expect one half of the

zodiac to be the urdhva lokas and one half to be adholokas. You

would expect Mooladhara chakra to be half the way thru the zodiac.

>

> If the head of the Kala Purusha is in Aries, that's where you'd

expect his Sahasrara chakra. If the throat of the Kala Purusha is in

Ge, that's where you'd expect his Visuddhi chakra. And, you'd expect

the Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha at 180 deg point of the zodiac.

Why is it expected at Moola???

>

> The region 0-180 deg contains chakras from Sahasrara to Mooladhara

and the remaining 180 deg contains lower chakras (which lie in

thighs, knees, ankles, feet etc).

>

> In a lot of material sent by Sri Chandra Hari, I found a lot of

brilliant exposition joined by extremely weak links where you are

expected to make a jump in thinking without convincing logic.

>

> To me, it is clear that Mooladhara chakra of Kaala Purusha is at

180 deg and NOT at 240 deg.

>

> This is my preliminary reaction and I will give a more conclusive

view after I finish reading the material.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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> > Dear respected members

> >

> > Shri Chandrahari has done systematic and scientific researches

(studied

> > works of many involving babylonian,Greek and Indian astronomy)

and has

> > expressed his concerns regarding Lahiri Ayanamsha in clear terms,

> > supported by valid points.Shri Sreenadh another learned scholar

has

> > expressed his views in another mail.

> >

> > Chandrahari has pointed out the difference between Chitras

celestial

> > longitude, computed as per Suryasidhantha and as concluded by

Calendar

> > reforms committee(CRC).

> > He also quotes the words of CRC - ''"The observations made

seemed not

> > to be very accurate" and "some of the co-ordinates given could

not be

> > properly linked with the stars'' - Pointing to the possible

> > inaccuracies.

> >

> > The beauty of Chandrahari's research lies in the,connection

> > established between Yoga and Jyotishastra.

> > We all know that Horoscope is called as 'Kundali' - which is the

> > serpent Occult power coming under the branch called Yoga.

> > Shri Hari through the brillinat genius in him and through

intution,has

> > clealry explained the analogy between Jivapurusha and Kalpurusha

(Yogi

> > and Cosmic Man).

> > We know about Mooladhara,Moola nakshathra(root) and the name

Rashi

> > -Chakra.ChandraHari has been able to reconcile all into the True

> > -siderial -Zodiac -''RahuSikhiMooladhara Chakram or Rashi

> > chakram(originating from Rahu and Sikhi).We know about Rahu and

Ketu

> > and the related term KaalaSarpam(Time Serpent).

> > Chandraharis works helps us to link and understand all these

otherwise

> > unknown terms - Rashi,Kundalini,Muladharam and their connections

with

> > Jyotishasthra.

> >

> > Malavyamahapurusha formed in lagna by Vargottama Shukara in shri

Haris

> > chart lording the Occult house of 8th,close to deep

> > exaltation,explains his contributions and interests.

> >

> > I tried to take Shri Narasimhas chart and study some events as

given

> > in his website.''In 1987, I stood state first in Intermediate

(higher

> > secondary school)exams in the state of AP in India with a record

> > aggregate of the decade and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I

went to

> > India's prestigeous Indian Institute of Technology in Madras (now

> > known as Chennai).''

> > It was Saturn/Sun period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the

5th

> > lord attaining neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing

> > neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet that gets exlated in aries

and is

> > in a kendra from lagna).

> >

> > As per Lahiri - it will be Saturn/Moon I guess.Moon is the 11th

lord

> > placed in 6th.(8th from itself - can it give such a

success?).Also

> > Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru being the 7th lord placed in

> > kutumbasthana.

> >

> > In Tagores chart, we are able to explain almost all

events,applying

> > simple classical principles.I will study and prepare a document

on

> > this at a later peiod.See SJC site.

> >

> > I am not requesting anyone to blindly take this based on couple

of

> > charts.These indications are certainly enough to kindle our

interests.

> >

> > I will study some more charts and post them at a later period.I

> > request scholars of this group to give their valuable comments.

> > Narasimha ji could you kindly express your views on this.Your

> > experience and experiments will be in a better position for

objective

> > comments.

> >

> > Thanks a lot & Respect

> > Pradeep

August 23, 2005

Namaste Pradeep,

I forgot to make one point yesterday.

You used my chart and explained a known event using Chandra Hari ayanamsa:

> I tried to take Shri Narasimhas chart and study some events as given> in his

website.''In 1987, I stood state first in Intermediate (higher> secondary

school)exams in the state of AP in India with a record> aggregate of the decade

and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I went to> India's prestigeous Indian

Institute of Technology in Madras (now> known as Chennai).''> It was Saturn/Sun

period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the 5th> lord attaining

neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing> neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet

that gets exlated in aries and is> in a kendra from lagna).

One can use whatever ayanamsa one wants and come up with beautiful explanations

of already known events. But the fact remains that the only astrologer who

predicted the event beforehand used Lahiri ayanamsa and Saturn-Moon antardasa!

My father used rasi and navamsa charts, Vimsottari dasa and transits and

confidently predicted that I would have excellent success academically in 1987.

In fact, when I wanted to take EAMCET engineering entrance test for engg

colleges in my AP state (as a backup in case I don't succeed in IIT entrance

test), my father was adament that it would be a waste of money, time and energy

and that I would surely make it to IIT. He saw May-July 1987 as an excellent

period of academic success and getting into engg. He thought I was crazy to

think that I may not make it to IIT.

He predicted my going abroad in 1991 and getting married in 1993. He predicted

to my sister (and not to me so as to not influence my decisions) that I would

come back to India in mid-1993 and leave India again in the second half of

1994.

My father made several accurate predictions about my past, ahead of the events,

using dasas and antardasas of Vimsottari dasa computed using Lahiri ayanamsa

and transits.

Thus, it is unfair to project as though Vimsottari dasa as per Lahiri ayanamsa

does not work in my chart.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> I tried to take Shri Narasimhas chart and study some events as given> in his

website.''In 1987, I stood state first in Intermediate (higher> secondary

school)exams in the state of AP in India with a record> aggregate of the decade

and with 300 on 300 in mathematics. I went to> India's prestigeous Indian

Institute of Technology in Madras (now> known as Chennai).''> It was Saturn/Sun

period as per C.Hari Ayanamsha.Saturn is the 5th> lord attaining

neechabhanga.Sun is the main planet causing> neechabhanaga(as sun is the planet

that gets exlated in aries and is> in a kendra from lagna).> > As per Lahiri -

it will be Saturn/Moon I guess.Moon is the 11th lord> placed in 6th.(8th from

itself - can it give such a success?).Also> Marriage falls in Sat/Gu/Gu - Guru

being the 7th lord placed in> kutumbasthana.

-

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

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