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Dear Anilji,

What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other

Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend

Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on

horoscope results. If we consider events like

marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any

ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like

"Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are in

favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can find

slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as

the starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the

period of this perticular book is debatable, and also

that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's

arguments have a through mathametical foundation based

on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in

pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would

like to consider these points.

Sreenadh

 

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Anil Vsnl <gogatea

Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530

Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...

Dear Pradeepji,

 

 

Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most

importantly has been

tested for a long period of time.

 

Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long

period and on

number of cases before we can conclude that it gives

better results than

Lahiri.

 

However there is no harm in continuing with research

and all such cases

where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better

compliance than

Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

vijayadas_pradeep

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Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM

[vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...

 

 

Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj

 

Recently i have been fortunate to interact with a

scientist and

scholar named Chandrahari.

He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his

ayanamsha while

comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres

chart.

This discussion is present in sjc site.

 

Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has

written books and got

his papers published in science journals.

 

I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have

made some

interesting observations.

 

For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari

ayanamsha gives

Rahu/Mars

as period of death-while other ayanamshas give

Jupiter,that of the

lagna lord.

Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running

Rahu-Ketu as compared to

Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).

 

I am experimenting them on charts with accurate

data.I am yet to

conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what he

is speaking.He

has done good research.

He has clear views regarding the yoga principles

underlying astronomy

and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and

Shikhi(ketu) ,the

name Rashi has originated.

 

His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be

worth

experimenting for those who are research minded.We

have to experiment

them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a

conclusion.

 

As a surprise for me - In his papers that were

published long

back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions

consideration of

mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very

fundamentals.

For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi

version of BPHS.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sreenadh,

 

Can you kindly explain this "mathematical/theoretical foundation" of Chandra Hari ayanamsa?

 

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> Dear Anilji,> What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other> Ayanamsas have

got? People try to defend> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on>

horoscope results. If we consider events like> marriage, with enough logic, one

could prove any> ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like> "Narada

samhitha" we could find slokas that are in> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa.

There we can find> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as> the

starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the> period of this perticular

book is debatable, and also> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's>

arguments have a through mathametical foundation based> on Old Surya-sidhantha

of Mayan (Included in> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would>

like to consider these points.> Sreenadh> > -------->

Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...>> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530> Subject:

Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> Dear Pradeepji,> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha has been

well proven and most> importantly has been > tested for a long period of time.>

> Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long> period and on > number

of cases before we can conclude that it gives> better results than > Lahiri.> >

However there is no harm in continuing with research> and all such cases >

where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better> compliance than >

Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.> > Regards,> > Anil > >

vijayadas_pradeep > vedic astrology > Saturday,

August 20, 2005 12:33 AM> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari

Ayanamsha...> > > Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj> > Recently

i have been fortunate to interact with a> scientist and> scholar named

Chandrahari.> He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his> ayanamsha

while> comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres> chart.> This

discussion is present in sjc site.> > Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy

scholar,has> written books and got> his papers published in science

journals.> > I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have> made some>

interesting observations.> > For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari>

ayanamsha gives > Rahu/Mars> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give>

Jupiter,that of the> lagna lord.> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been

running> Rahu-Ketu as compared to> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).> > I am

experimenting them on charts with accurate> data.I am yet to> conclude ,but

this gentleman is very sure of what he> is speaking.He> has done good

research.> He has clear views regarding the yoga principles> underlying

astronomy> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and> Shikhi(ketu)

,the> name Rashi has originated. > > His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for

1.01.2000.It may be> worth> experimenting for those who are research

minded.We> have to experiment> them over hundreds of charts,before reaching

a> conclusion.> > As a surprise for me - In his papers that were> published

long> back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions> consideration of >

mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very> fundamentals.> For

dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi> version of BPHS.> > Thanks>

Pradeep

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Dear Sreenath,

 

There cannot be a scientific foundation for Ayanamsha theory as it basically

means from where to start counting the circle. However when people started

practicing astrology in olden days , there was nothing more obvious than the

bold Chitra Star and hence people started using Chitra pakshiya Aynamsha which

are used by Lahiri.

 

Also practically it gives best fit to predicted events.

 

I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say.

 

Regards,

 

Anil Gogate

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sree nadh

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Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM

[vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

Dear Anilji,What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation otherAyanamsas have got?

People try to defendLahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based onhoroscope

results. If we consider events likemarriage, with enough logic, one could prove

anyayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like"Narada samhitha" we

could find slokas that are infavour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can

findslokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra asthe starting point of

Aris. But don't forget that theperiod of this perticular book is debatable, and

alsothat such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari'sarguments have a through

mathametical foundation basedon Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included

inpancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you wouldlike to consider these

points.Sreenadh--------Anil Vsnl

<gogatea (AT) vsnl (DOT) com>Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530Re: Chandra Hari

Ayanamsha...Dear Pradeepji,Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and

mostimportantly has been tested for a long period of time.Any new Aynamsha will

have to be tried for a very longperiod and on number of cases before we can

conclude that it givesbetter results than Lahiri.However there is no harm in

continuing with researchand all such cases where the new Ayanamsha being

researched gives bettercompliance than Lahiri Ayanamsha should be

published.Regards,Anil vijayadas_pradeep To:

vedic astrology Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM

[vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha... Namaste Panditji Anil ji

and shri Shanmughraj Recently i have been fortunate to interact with

ascientist and scholar named Chandrahari. He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath

has discussed hisayanamsha while comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for

TagOreschart. This discussion is present in sjc site. Shri ChandrahaHari is

an astronomy scholar,haswritten books and got his papers published in science

journals. I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and havemade some

interesting observations. For example in Tagores

horoscope,Chandrahariayanamsha gives Rahu/Mars as period of death-while other

ayanamshas giveJupiter,that of the lagna lord. Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has

been runningRahu-Ketu as compared to Lahiri(Rahu-Venus). I am experimenting

them on charts with accuratedata.I am yet to conclude ,but this gentleman is

very sure of what heis speaking.He has done good research. He has clear views

regarding the yoga principlesunderlying astronomy and Rashi chakra - As per him

it is from Rahu andShikhi(ketu) ,the name Rashi has originated. His

ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may beworth experimenting for those

who are research minded.Wehave to experiment them over hundreds of

charts,before reaching aconclusion. As a surprise for me - In his papers that

werepublished long back(which i got recently) - he clearly

mentionsconsideration of mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the

veryfundamentals. For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasiversion of

BPHS. Thanks Pradeep

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Dear PVR ji,

Once I personally send you a article on chandra-hari ayanamsa, but you never

cared to look at it. (might be a mistake, due to your hurry shedule). I am

attaching that aritcle, that explains the mathametical foundation of hari

ayanamsa, along with this mail. With respect and warm regards,

Sreenadh

 

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Send: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:45:41 -0400Re: Chandra Hari AyanamsaDear

Sreenadh,Can you kindly explain this "mathematical/theoretical foundation" of

Chandra Hari ayanamsa?May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

 

> Sreenadh <sreelid >

Dear Anilji,> What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other> Ayanamsas have

got? People try to defend> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on>

horoscope results. If we consider events like> marriage, with enough logic, one

could prove any> ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like> "Narada

samhitha" we could find slokas that are in> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa.

There we can find> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as> the

starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the> period of this perticular

book is debatable, and also> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's>

arguments have a through mathametical foundation based> on Old Surya-sidhantha

of Mayan (Included in> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would>

like to consider these points.> Sreenadh> > Anil Vsnl

<gogatea@v...>> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530> Re: Chandra Hari

Ayanamsha...> Dear Pradeepji,> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and

most> importantly has been > tested for a long period of time.> > Any new

Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long> period and on > number of cases

before we can conclude that it gives> better results than > Lahiri.> > However

there is no harm in continuing with research> and all such cases > where the

new Ayanamsha being researched gives better> compliance than > Lahiri

Ayanamsha should be published.> > Regards,> > Anil > >

vijayadas_pradeep > vedic astrology > Saturday,

August 20, 2005 12:33 AM> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari

Ayanamsha...> > > Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj> > Recently

i have been fortunate to interact with a> scientist and> scholar named

Chandrahari.> He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his> ayanamsha

while> comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres> chart.> This

discussion is present in sjc site.> > Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy

scholar,has> written books and got> his papers published in science

journals.> > I

am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have> made some> interesting

observations.> > For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari> ayanamsha

gives > Rahu/Mars> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give>

Jupiter,that of the> lagna lord.> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been

running> Rahu-Ketu as compared to> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).> > I am

experimenting them on charts with accurate> data.I am yet to> conclude ,but

this gentleman is very sure of what he> is speaking.He> has done good

research.> He has clear views regarding the yoga principles> underlying

astronomy> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and> Shikhi(ketu)

,the> name Rashi has originated. >

> His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be> worth> experimenting

for those who are research minded.We> have to experiment> them over hundreds

of charts,before reaching a> conclusion.> > As a surprise for me - In his

papers that were> published long> back(which i got recently) - he clearly

mentions> consideration of > mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the

very> fundamentals.> For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi>

version of BPHS.> > Thanks> Pradeep

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Dear Anil,

If any aribittary point in a circle could serve as the starting

point, what is the importance of ayanamsa itself. Then you could

choose any ayanamsa as you wish!! and thus come to any conclusion as

you want!!. Then what would be the difference in selecting sayana

system and nirayana system? Sayana system then would have a better

argument as they are taking vernal equinox as the starting point!!

The basement of Vedic astrology crumbles!!

It can't be the correct approch. 'There should be one currect

ayanamsa based on some theoretical foundation, currently we are not

sure which one it is.' - If you say so, i would agree. Why should we

select chithra as the star to locate the starting point of Aris? Can

you quote any sloka, which says that chitra star should be used for

that purpose? If you consider the yoga-tharas (stars) of stellar

divisions, the only way to make all yoga-tharas with in there

respective divisions is to take Abhijith as the starting point of

stellar division. Then why don't Abhijith? It would be better than

Chithra?!

From which period people started using Chithra star? Is there any

mention anywhere in ancient astrological texts which suggests that

they have used chithra star. Ok. Most of us use Chithrapaksha

ayanamsa of Lahari, and in most of the situations it gives accrurate

results. (But it laks a mathametical or theoretical foundation). It

might be that Lahiri's Ayanamsa is very close to correct value. But

what it is, and why it is, we should find out. Only ancient

sidhanthic texts could guide us in such a research. Chandra hari has

done such a research, and take the patience to look at his results. I

am not saying that you should follow him, but any person interested

in the truth of astrology can not neglect his efforts.

 

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Sreenath,

>

> There cannot be a scientific foundation for Ayanamsha theory as it

basically means from where to start counting the circle. However when

people started practicing astrology in olden days , there was nothing

more obvious than the bold Chitra Star and hence people started using

Chitra pakshiya Aynamsha which are used by Lahiri.

>

> Also practically it gives best fit to predicted events.

>

> I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil Gogate

> -

> sree nadh

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM

> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

>

>

> Dear Anilji,

> What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other

> Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend

> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on

> horoscope results. If we consider events like

> marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any

> ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like

> "Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are in

> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can find

> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as

> the starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the

> period of this perticular book is debatable, and also

> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's

> arguments have a through mathametical foundation based

> on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in

> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would

> like to consider these points.

> Sreenadh

>

> --------

> Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...>

> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530

> Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most

> importantly has been

> tested for a long period of time.

>

> Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long

> period and on

> number of cases before we can conclude that it gives

> better results than

> Lahiri.

>

> However there is no harm in continuing with research

> and all such cases

> where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better

> compliance than

> Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

>

> vijayadas_pradeep

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM

> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...

>

>

> Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj

>

> Recently i have been fortunate to interact with a

> scientist and

> scholar named Chandrahari.

> He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his

> ayanamsha while

> comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres

> chart.

> This discussion is present in sjc site.

>

> Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has

> written books and got

> his papers published in science journals.

>

> I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have

> made some

> interesting observations.

>

> For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari

> ayanamsha gives

> Rahu/Mars

> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give

> Jupiter,that of the

> lagna lord.

> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running

> Rahu-Ketu as compared to

> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).

>

> I am experimenting them on charts with accurate

> data.I am yet to

> conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what he

> is speaking.He

> has done good research.

> He has clear views regarding the yoga principles

> underlying astronomy

> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and

> Shikhi(ketu) ,the

> name Rashi has originated.

>

> His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be

> worth

> experimenting for those who are research minded.We

> have to experiment

> them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a

> conclusion.

>

> As a surprise for me - In his papers that were

> published long

> back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions

> consideration of

> mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very

> fundamentals.

> For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi

> version of BPHS.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

>

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Dear Shreenadhji,

 

We are open to compare Aynamsha proposed by Chadra Hari with Lahiri Ayanmsha.

All what you have said is being debated for many years now and there is no new

point addressed by you hence I am not responding to it.

 

But let me tell you since formation of Ephemery committee many years back ( and

even before ! ) many astrologers and ephemery writers have emphasized upon how

Ayanamsha followed by them are correct but none have been tested against time

so well like Lahiri or Chitra pakshiya Ayanamsha.

 

So as I said, let there be proper study done in case of Chandra hari Ayanamsha

and if it proved that they give better compliance than Lahiri Ayanamsha , then

we are willing to drop Lahiri Aynamsha.

 

I would be thankful to you if you pass on the link to Shree Chandra hari's hypothesis.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

 

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[vedic astrology] Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

Dear Anil, If any aribittary point in a circle could serve as the starting

point, what is the importance of ayanamsa itself. Then you could choose any

ayanamsa as you wish!! and thus come to any conclusion as you want!!. Then what

would be the difference in selecting sayana system and nirayana system? Sayana

system then would have a better argument as they are taking vernal equinox as

the starting point!! The basement of Vedic astrology crumbles!!It can't be the

correct approch. 'There should be one currect ayanamsa based on some

theoretical foundation, currently we are not sure which one it is.' - If you

say so, i would agree. Why should we select chithra as the star to locate the

starting point of Aris? Can you quote any sloka, which says that chitra star

should be used for that purpose? If you consider the yoga-tharas (stars) of

stellar divisions, the only way to make all yoga-tharas with in there

respective divisions is to take Abhijith as the starting point of stellar

division. Then why don't Abhijith? It would be better than Chithra?! From

which period people started using Chithra star? Is there any mention anywhere

in ancient astrological texts which suggests that they have used chithra star.

Ok. Most of us use Chithrapaksha ayanamsa of Lahari, and in most of the

situations it gives accrurate results. (But it laks a mathametical or

theoretical foundation). It might be that Lahiri's Ayanamsa is very close to

correct value. But what it is, and why it is, we should find out. Only ancient

sidhanthic texts could guide us in such a research. Chandra hari has done such

a research, and take the patience to look at his results. I am not saying that

you should follow him, but any person interested in the truth of astrology can

not neglect his efforts.With warm regards,Sreenadh--- In

vedic astrology, Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...> wrote:> Dear

Sreenath,> > There cannot be a scientific foundation for Ayanamsha theory as it

basically means from where to start counting the circle. However when people

started practicing astrology in olden days , there was nothing more obvious

than the bold Chitra Star and hence people started using Chitra pakshiya

Aynamsha which are used by Lahiri.> > Also practically it gives best fit to

predicted events.> > I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say.> > Regards,>

> Anil Gogate> - > sree nadh > To:

vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM>

[vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa> > > Dear Anilji,> What

Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other> Ayanamsas have got? People try to

defend> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on> horoscope results.

If we consider events like> marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any>

ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like> "Narada samhitha" we

could find slokas that are in> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can

find> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as> the starting

point of Aris. But don't forget that the> period of this perticular book is

debatable, and also> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's>

arguments have a through mathametical foundation based> on Old

Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I

think you would> like to consider these points.> Sreenadh> > -----Original

Message-------------> Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...>> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005

07:22:16 +0530> Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> Dear Pradeepji,> >

> Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most> importantly has been >

tested for a long period of time.> > Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried

for a very long> period and on > number of cases before we can conclude

that it gives> better results than > Lahiri.> > However there is no harm

in continuing with research> and all such cases > where the new Ayanamsha

being researched gives better> compliance than > Lahiri Ayanamsha should

be published.> > Regards,> > Anil > > vijayadas_pradeep > To:

vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM>

[vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> > > Namaste

Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj> > Recently i have been fortunate to

interact with a> scientist and> scholar named Chandrahari.> He has

his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his> ayanamsha while> comparing

Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres> chart.> This discussion is present

in sjc site.> > Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has> written

books and got> his papers published in science journals.> > I am

currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have> made some> interesting

observations.> > For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari> ayanamsha

gives > Rahu/Mars> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give>

Jupiter,that of the> lagna lord.> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been

running> Rahu-Ketu as compared to> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).> > I am

experimenting them on charts with accurate> data.I am yet to> conclude

,but this gentleman is very sure of what he> is speaking.He> has done

good research.> He has clear views regarding the yoga principles>

underlying astronomy> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and>

Shikhi(ketu) ,the> name Rashi has originated. > > His ayanamsha is

24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be> worth> experimenting for those who

are research minded.We> have to experiment> them over hundreds of

charts,before reaching a> conclusion.> > As a surprise for me - In his

papers that were> published long> back(which i got recently) - he clearly

mentions> consideration of > mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the

very> fundamentals.> For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi>

version of BPHS.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > > >

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Dear Anil ji,

Well-debated points bring out some results - though

it may take some time. It is a well-known fact that in

Vedas the word "Nakshethra" is used only in the

meaning stellar division. To refer to the star

(yoga-thara or other), they have used the words like

'thata'. If the Vedic people were so much sure about

the use of words and stellar divisions, how can we

say, "Chithra star was used to locate the starting

point of Aris"? We should remember that in Vedic

literature Chithra was not at all given any special

significance. For argument sake if we accept that

Chithra was used as the junction star, what is the

clear reason/significance for the use of Chitra as the

root star used for zodiac division? Can you say?

To state again the word "Nakshatra" was used in

Vedas, 'only' to refer to the stellar divisions. If

the stellar divisions were present from the far

ancient Vedic period we should say to everybody,

"Don't under estimate their caliber".

There is a story about a scientist and the

followers. The scientist stated in his book, "Minerals

flow through blood streams from one location to

another", which is a true statement in body context.

Later if that scientific/systematic knowledge is lost

- the followers may write a commentary that says - "In

olden days there was blood streams on earth and

minerals used to be transported form one place to

other through those steams". A learned person of the

next scientific age may neglect this whole statements

altogether - stating 'absurd'. It might be the

situation that occurred in ancient India. All ancient

knowledge is not primitive.

Which Ayanamsa Skanda/Vasishta/Jaimini/Parasara

used? Can it be Lahari ayanamsa? Is there any

reference of Chithra star in that sense in ancient

literature?

The concept of ayanamsa is very ancient. In Brahma

sidhantha you can see the statement "Ayanamsa

predathavya legne cranthou charageme" - See the famous

vyakhya of Muhoortha chinthamani, or the Hora Rathna

of the famous Acharya Balabhadra, you will see

references to the ancient concept of ayanamsa. Ancient

texts should give as a clue – as Ayanamsa issue is

fundamental to the credibility of Vedic astrology.

My arguments may not be bringing out any new lights

on the issue – but Hari’s works does.

 

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

 

-------------------------

Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:26:59 +0530

Anil Vsnl <gogatea

Re: Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

 

Dear Shreenadhji,

 

We are open to compare Aynamsha proposed by Chadra

Hari with Lahiri

Ayanmsha. All what you have said is being debated for

many years now and

there is no new point addressed by you hence I am not

responding to it.

 

But let me tell you since formation of Ephemery

committee many years

back ( and even before ! ) many astrologers and

ephemery writers have

emphasized upon how Ayanamsha followed by them are

correct but none have

been tested against time so well like Lahiri or Chitra

pakshiya

Ayanamsha.

 

So as I said, let there be proper study done in case

of Chandra hari

Ayanamsha and if it proved that they give better

compliance than Lahiri

Ayanamsha , then we are willing to drop Lahiri

Aynamsha.

 

I would be thankful to you if you pass on the link to

Shree Chandra

hari's hypothesis.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

 

Sreenadh

vedic astrology

Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:16 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

 

 

Dear Anil,

If any aribittary point in a circle could serve as

the starting

point, what is the importance of ayanamsa itself.

Then you could

choose any ayanamsa as you wish!! and thus come to

any conclusion as

you want!!. Then what would be the difference in

selecting sayana

system and nirayana system? Sayana system then would

have a better

argument as they are taking vernal equinox as the

starting point!!

The basement of Vedic astrology crumbles!!

It can't be the correct approch. 'There should be

one currect

ayanamsa based on some theoretical foundation,

currently we are not

sure which one it is.' - If you say so, i would

agree. Why should we

select chithra as the star to locate the starting

point of Aris? Can

you quote any sloka, which says that chitra star

should be used for

that purpose? If you consider the yoga-tharas

(stars) of stellar

divisions, the only way to make all yoga-tharas with

in there

respective divisions is to take Abhijith as the

starting point of

stellar division. Then why don't Abhijith? It would

be better than

Chithra?!

From which period people started using Chithra

star? Is there any

mention anywhere in ancient astrological texts which

suggests that

they have used chithra star. Ok. Most of us use

Chithrapaksha

ayanamsa of Lahari, and in most of the situations it

gives accrurate

results. (But it laks a mathametical or theoretical

foundation). It

might be that Lahiri's Ayanamsa is very close to

correct value. But

what it is, and why it is, we should find out. Only

ancient

sidhanthic texts could guide us in such a research.

Chandra hari has

done such a research, and take the patience to look

at his results. I

am not saying that you should follow him, but any

person interested

in the truth of astrology can not neglect his

efforts.

 

With warm regards,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, Anil Vsnl

<gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Sreenath,

>

> There cannot be a scientific foundation for

Ayanamsha theory as it

basically means from where to start counting the

circle. However when

people started practicing astrology in olden days ,

there was nothing

more obvious than the bold Chitra Star and hence

people started using

Chitra pakshiya Aynamsha which are used by Lahiri.

>

> Also practically it gives best fit to predicted

events.

>

> I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil Gogate

> -

> sree nadh

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM

> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

>

>

> Dear Anilji,

> What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other

> Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend

> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on

> horoscope results. If we consider events like

> marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any

> ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books

like

> "Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are

in

> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can

find

> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite

chithra as

> the starting point of Aris. But don't forget

that the

> period of this perticular book is debatable, and

also

> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's

> arguments have a through mathametical foundation

based

> on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in

> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you

would

> like to consider these points.

> Sreenadh

>

 

> Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...>

> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530

> Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most

> importantly has been

> tested for a long period of time.

>

> Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a

very long

> period and on

> number of cases before we can conclude that it

gives

> better results than

> Lahiri.

>

> However there is no harm in continuing with

research

> and all such cases

> where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives

better

> compliance than

> Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

>

> vijayadas_pradeep

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM

> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari

Ayanamsha...

>

>

> Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj

>

> Recently i have been fortunate to interact

with a

> scientist and

> scholar named Chandrahari.

> He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has

discussed his

> ayanamsha while

> comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres

> chart.

> This discussion is present in sjc site.

>

> Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has

> written books and got

> his papers published in science journals.

>

> I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and

have

> made some

> interesting observations.

>

> For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari

> ayanamsha gives

> Rahu/Mars

> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give

> Jupiter,that of the

> lagna lord.

> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running

> Rahu-Ketu as compared to

> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).

>

> I am experimenting them on charts with

accurate

> data.I am yet to

> conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of

what he

> is speaking.He

> has done good research.

> He has clear views regarding the yoga

principles

> underlying astronomy

> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu

and

> Shikhi(ketu) ,the

> name Rashi has originated.

>

> His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It

may be

> worth

> experimenting for those who are research

minded.We

> have to experiment

> them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a

> conclusion.

>

> As a surprise for me - In his papers that were

> published long

> back(which i got recently) - he clearly

mentions

> consideration of

> mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the

very

> fundamentals.

> For dashamsha too he has views similar to

varanasi

> version of BPHS.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

 

 

 

 

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