Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Dear Anilji, What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on horoscope results. If we consider events like marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like "Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are in favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can find slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as the starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the period of this perticular book is debatable, and also that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's arguments have a through mathametical foundation based on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would like to consider these points. Sreenadh -------- Anil Vsnl <gogatea Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530 Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha... Dear Pradeepji, Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most importantly has been tested for a long period of time. Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long period and on number of cases before we can conclude that it gives better results than Lahiri. However there is no harm in continuing with research and all such cases where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better compliance than Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published. Regards, Anil vijayadas_pradeep vedic astrology Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha... Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj Recently i have been fortunate to interact with a scientist and scholar named Chandrahari. He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his ayanamsha while comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres chart. This discussion is present in sjc site. Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has written books and got his papers published in science journals. I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have made some interesting observations. For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari ayanamsha gives Rahu/Mars as period of death-while other ayanamshas give Jupiter,that of the lagna lord. Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running Rahu-Ketu as compared to Lahiri(Rahu-Venus). I am experimenting them on charts with accurate data.I am yet to conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what he is speaking.He has done good research. He has clear views regarding the yoga principles underlying astronomy and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and Shikhi(ketu) ,the name Rashi has originated. His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be worth experimenting for those who are research minded.We have to experiment them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a conclusion. As a surprise for me - In his papers that were published long back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions consideration of mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very fundamentals. For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi version of BPHS. Thanks Pradeep __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Dear Sreenadh, Can you kindly explain this "mathematical/theoretical foundation" of Chandra Hari ayanamsa? May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- > Dear Anilji,> What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other> Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on> horoscope results. If we consider events like> marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any> ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like> "Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are in> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can find> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as> the starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the> period of this perticular book is debatable, and also> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's> arguments have a through mathametical foundation based> on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would> like to consider these points.> Sreenadh> > --------> Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...>> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530> Subject: Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> Dear Pradeepji,> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most> importantly has been > tested for a long period of time.> > Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long> period and on > number of cases before we can conclude that it gives> better results than > Lahiri.> > However there is no harm in continuing with research> and all such cases > where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better> compliance than > Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.> > Regards,> > Anil > > vijayadas_pradeep > vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> > > Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj> > Recently i have been fortunate to interact with a> scientist and> scholar named Chandrahari.> He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his> ayanamsha while> comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres> chart.> This discussion is present in sjc site.> > Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has> written books and got> his papers published in science journals.> > I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have> made some> interesting observations.> > For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari> ayanamsha gives > Rahu/Mars> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give> Jupiter,that of the> lagna lord.> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running> Rahu-Ketu as compared to> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).> > I am experimenting them on charts with accurate> data.I am yet to> conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what he> is speaking.He> has done good research.> He has clear views regarding the yoga principles> underlying astronomy> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and> Shikhi(ketu) ,the> name Rashi has originated. > > His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be> worth> experimenting for those who are research minded.We> have to experiment> them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a> conclusion.> > As a surprise for me - In his papers that were> published long> back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions> consideration of > mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very> fundamentals.> For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi> version of BPHS.> > Thanks> Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Dear Sreenath, There cannot be a scientific foundation for Ayanamsha theory as it basically means from where to start counting the circle. However when people started practicing astrology in olden days , there was nothing more obvious than the bold Chitra Star and hence people started using Chitra pakshiya Aynamsha which are used by Lahiri. Also practically it gives best fit to predicted events. I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say. Regards, Anil Gogate - sree nadh vedic astrology Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa Dear Anilji,What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation otherAyanamsas have got? People try to defendLahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based onhoroscope results. If we consider events likemarriage, with enough logic, one could prove anyayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like"Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are infavour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can findslokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra asthe starting point of Aris. But don't forget that theperiod of this perticular book is debatable, and alsothat such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari'sarguments have a through mathametical foundation basedon Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included inpancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you wouldlike to consider these points.Sreenadh--------Anil Vsnl <gogatea (AT) vsnl (DOT) com>Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...Dear Pradeepji,Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and mostimportantly has been tested for a long period of time.Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very longperiod and on number of cases before we can conclude that it givesbetter results than Lahiri.However there is no harm in continuing with researchand all such cases where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives bettercompliance than Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.Regards,Anil vijayadas_pradeep To: vedic astrology Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha... Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj Recently i have been fortunate to interact with ascientist and scholar named Chandrahari. He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed hisayanamsha while comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOreschart. This discussion is present in sjc site. Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,haswritten books and got his papers published in science journals. I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and havemade some interesting observations. For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahariayanamsha gives Rahu/Mars as period of death-while other ayanamshas giveJupiter,that of the lagna lord. Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been runningRahu-Ketu as compared to Lahiri(Rahu-Venus). I am experimenting them on charts with accuratedata.I am yet to conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what heis speaking.He has done good research. He has clear views regarding the yoga principlesunderlying astronomy and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu andShikhi(ketu) ,the name Rashi has originated. His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may beworth experimenting for those who are research minded.Wehave to experiment them over hundreds of charts,before reaching aconclusion. As a surprise for me - In his papers that werepublished long back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentionsconsideration of mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the veryfundamentals. For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasiversion of BPHS. Thanks Pradeep __Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Dear PVR ji, Once I personally send you a article on chandra-hari ayanamsa, but you never cared to look at it. (might be a mistake, due to your hurry shedule). I am attaching that aritcle, that explains the mathametical foundation of hari ayanamsa, along with this mail. With respect and warm regards, Sreenadh ------------- Original Message-------------------------- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Send: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:45:41 -0400Re: Chandra Hari AyanamsaDear Sreenadh,Can you kindly explain this "mathematical/theoretical foundation" of Chandra Hari ayanamsa?May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha > Sreenadh <sreelid > Dear Anilji,> What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other> Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on> horoscope results. If we consider events like> marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any> ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like> "Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are in> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can find> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as> the starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the> period of this perticular book is debatable, and also> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's> arguments have a through mathametical foundation based> on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would> like to consider these points.> Sreenadh> > Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...>> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530> Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> Dear Pradeepji,> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most> importantly has been > tested for a long period of time.> > Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long> period and on > number of cases before we can conclude that it gives> better results than > Lahiri.> > However there is no harm in continuing with research> and all such cases > where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better> compliance than > Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.> > Regards,> > Anil > > vijayadas_pradeep > vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> > > Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj> > Recently i have been fortunate to interact with a> scientist and> scholar named Chandrahari.> He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his> ayanamsha while> comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres> chart.> This discussion is present in sjc site.> > Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has> written books and got> his papers published in science journals.> > I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have> made some> interesting observations.> > For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari> ayanamsha gives > Rahu/Mars> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give> Jupiter,that of the> lagna lord.> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running> Rahu-Ketu as compared to> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).> > I am experimenting them on charts with accurate> data.I am yet to> conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what he> is speaking.He> has done good research.> He has clear views regarding the yoga principles> underlying astronomy> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and> Shikhi(ketu) ,the> name Rashi has originated. > > His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be> worth> experimenting for those who are research minded.We> have to experiment> them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a> conclusion.> > As a surprise for me - In his papers that were> published long> back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions> consideration of > mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very> fundamentals.> For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi> version of BPHS.> > Thanks> Pradeep Start your day with - make it your home page Attachment: (application/pdf) True Ayanamsa.pdf [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Dear Anil, If any aribittary point in a circle could serve as the starting point, what is the importance of ayanamsa itself. Then you could choose any ayanamsa as you wish!! and thus come to any conclusion as you want!!. Then what would be the difference in selecting sayana system and nirayana system? Sayana system then would have a better argument as they are taking vernal equinox as the starting point!! The basement of Vedic astrology crumbles!! It can't be the correct approch. 'There should be one currect ayanamsa based on some theoretical foundation, currently we are not sure which one it is.' - If you say so, i would agree. Why should we select chithra as the star to locate the starting point of Aris? Can you quote any sloka, which says that chitra star should be used for that purpose? If you consider the yoga-tharas (stars) of stellar divisions, the only way to make all yoga-tharas with in there respective divisions is to take Abhijith as the starting point of stellar division. Then why don't Abhijith? It would be better than Chithra?! From which period people started using Chithra star? Is there any mention anywhere in ancient astrological texts which suggests that they have used chithra star. Ok. Most of us use Chithrapaksha ayanamsa of Lahari, and in most of the situations it gives accrurate results. (But it laks a mathametical or theoretical foundation). It might be that Lahiri's Ayanamsa is very close to correct value. But what it is, and why it is, we should find out. Only ancient sidhanthic texts could guide us in such a research. Chandra hari has done such a research, and take the patience to look at his results. I am not saying that you should follow him, but any person interested in the truth of astrology can not neglect his efforts. With warm regards, Sreenadh vedic astrology, Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...> wrote: > Dear Sreenath, > > There cannot be a scientific foundation for Ayanamsha theory as it basically means from where to start counting the circle. However when people started practicing astrology in olden days , there was nothing more obvious than the bold Chitra Star and hence people started using Chitra pakshiya Aynamsha which are used by Lahiri. > > Also practically it gives best fit to predicted events. > > I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say. > > Regards, > > Anil Gogate > - > sree nadh > vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM > [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa > > > Dear Anilji, > What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other > Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend > Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on > horoscope results. If we consider events like > marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any > ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like > "Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are in > favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can find > slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as > the starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the > period of this perticular book is debatable, and also > that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's > arguments have a through mathametical foundation based > on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in > pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would > like to consider these points. > Sreenadh > > -------- > Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...> > Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530 > Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha... > Dear Pradeepji, > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most > importantly has been > tested for a long period of time. > > Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long > period and on > number of cases before we can conclude that it gives > better results than > Lahiri. > > However there is no harm in continuing with research > and all such cases > where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better > compliance than > Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published. > > Regards, > > Anil > > vijayadas_pradeep > vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM > [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha... > > > Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj > > Recently i have been fortunate to interact with a > scientist and > scholar named Chandrahari. > He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his > ayanamsha while > comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres > chart. > This discussion is present in sjc site. > > Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has > written books and got > his papers published in science journals. > > I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have > made some > interesting observations. > > For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari > ayanamsha gives > Rahu/Mars > as period of death-while other ayanamshas give > Jupiter,that of the > lagna lord. > Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running > Rahu-Ketu as compared to > Lahiri(Rahu-Venus). > > I am experimenting them on charts with accurate > data.I am yet to > conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what he > is speaking.He > has done good research. > He has clear views regarding the yoga principles > underlying astronomy > and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and > Shikhi(ketu) ,the > name Rashi has originated. > > His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be > worth > experimenting for those who are research minded.We > have to experiment > them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a > conclusion. > > As a surprise for me - In his papers that were > published long > back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions > consideration of > mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very > fundamentals. > For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi > version of BPHS. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Dear Shreenadhji, We are open to compare Aynamsha proposed by Chadra Hari with Lahiri Ayanmsha. All what you have said is being debated for many years now and there is no new point addressed by you hence I am not responding to it. But let me tell you since formation of Ephemery committee many years back ( and even before ! ) many astrologers and ephemery writers have emphasized upon how Ayanamsha followed by them are correct but none have been tested against time so well like Lahiri or Chitra pakshiya Ayanamsha. So as I said, let there be proper study done in case of Chandra hari Ayanamsha and if it proved that they give better compliance than Lahiri Ayanamsha , then we are willing to drop Lahiri Aynamsha. I would be thankful to you if you pass on the link to Shree Chandra hari's hypothesis. Regards, Anil - Sreenadh vedic astrology Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:16 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa Dear Anil, If any aribittary point in a circle could serve as the starting point, what is the importance of ayanamsa itself. Then you could choose any ayanamsa as you wish!! and thus come to any conclusion as you want!!. Then what would be the difference in selecting sayana system and nirayana system? Sayana system then would have a better argument as they are taking vernal equinox as the starting point!! The basement of Vedic astrology crumbles!!It can't be the correct approch. 'There should be one currect ayanamsa based on some theoretical foundation, currently we are not sure which one it is.' - If you say so, i would agree. Why should we select chithra as the star to locate the starting point of Aris? Can you quote any sloka, which says that chitra star should be used for that purpose? If you consider the yoga-tharas (stars) of stellar divisions, the only way to make all yoga-tharas with in there respective divisions is to take Abhijith as the starting point of stellar division. Then why don't Abhijith? It would be better than Chithra?! From which period people started using Chithra star? Is there any mention anywhere in ancient astrological texts which suggests that they have used chithra star. Ok. Most of us use Chithrapaksha ayanamsa of Lahari, and in most of the situations it gives accrurate results. (But it laks a mathametical or theoretical foundation). It might be that Lahiri's Ayanamsa is very close to correct value. But what it is, and why it is, we should find out. Only ancient sidhanthic texts could guide us in such a research. Chandra hari has done such a research, and take the patience to look at his results. I am not saying that you should follow him, but any person interested in the truth of astrology can not neglect his efforts.With warm regards,Sreenadh--- In vedic astrology, Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...> wrote:> Dear Sreenath,> > There cannot be a scientific foundation for Ayanamsha theory as it basically means from where to start counting the circle. However when people started practicing astrology in olden days , there was nothing more obvious than the bold Chitra Star and hence people started using Chitra pakshiya Aynamsha which are used by Lahiri.> > Also practically it gives best fit to predicted events.> > I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say.> > Regards,> > Anil Gogate> - > sree nadh > To: vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa> > > Dear Anilji,> What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other> Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend> Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on> horoscope results. If we consider events like> marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any> ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like> "Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are in> favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can find> slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as> the starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the> period of this perticular book is debatable, and also> that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's> arguments have a through mathametical foundation based> on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in> pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would> like to consider these points.> Sreenadh> > -----Original Message-------------> Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...>> Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530> Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> Dear Pradeepji,> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most> importantly has been > tested for a long period of time.> > Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long> period and on > number of cases before we can conclude that it gives> better results than > Lahiri.> > However there is no harm in continuing with research> and all such cases > where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better> compliance than > Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published.> > Regards,> > Anil > > vijayadas_pradeep > To: vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM> [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha...> > > Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj> > Recently i have been fortunate to interact with a> scientist and> scholar named Chandrahari.> He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his> ayanamsha while> comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres> chart.> This discussion is present in sjc site.> > Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has> written books and got> his papers published in science journals.> > I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have> made some> interesting observations.> > For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari> ayanamsha gives > Rahu/Mars> as period of death-while other ayanamshas give> Jupiter,that of the> lagna lord.> Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running> Rahu-Ketu as compared to> Lahiri(Rahu-Venus).> > I am experimenting them on charts with accurate> data.I am yet to> conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what he> is speaking.He> has done good research.> He has clear views regarding the yoga principles> underlying astronomy> and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and> Shikhi(ketu) ,the> name Rashi has originated. > > His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be> worth> experimenting for those who are research minded.We> have to experiment> them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a> conclusion.> > As a surprise for me - In his papers that were> published long> back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions> consideration of > mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very> fundamentals.> For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi> version of BPHS.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > > > __> Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Dear Anil ji, Well-debated points bring out some results - though it may take some time. It is a well-known fact that in Vedas the word "Nakshethra" is used only in the meaning stellar division. To refer to the star (yoga-thara or other), they have used the words like 'thata'. If the Vedic people were so much sure about the use of words and stellar divisions, how can we say, "Chithra star was used to locate the starting point of Aris"? We should remember that in Vedic literature Chithra was not at all given any special significance. For argument sake if we accept that Chithra was used as the junction star, what is the clear reason/significance for the use of Chitra as the root star used for zodiac division? Can you say? To state again the word "Nakshatra" was used in Vedas, 'only' to refer to the stellar divisions. If the stellar divisions were present from the far ancient Vedic period we should say to everybody, "Don't under estimate their caliber". There is a story about a scientist and the followers. The scientist stated in his book, "Minerals flow through blood streams from one location to another", which is a true statement in body context. Later if that scientific/systematic knowledge is lost - the followers may write a commentary that says - "In olden days there was blood streams on earth and minerals used to be transported form one place to other through those steams". A learned person of the next scientific age may neglect this whole statements altogether - stating 'absurd'. It might be the situation that occurred in ancient India. All ancient knowledge is not primitive. Which Ayanamsa Skanda/Vasishta/Jaimini/Parasara used? Can it be Lahari ayanamsa? Is there any reference of Chithra star in that sense in ancient literature? The concept of ayanamsa is very ancient. In Brahma sidhantha you can see the statement "Ayanamsa predathavya legne cranthou charageme" - See the famous vyakhya of Muhoortha chinthamani, or the Hora Rathna of the famous Acharya Balabhadra, you will see references to the ancient concept of ayanamsa. Ancient texts should give as a clue – as Ayanamsa issue is fundamental to the credibility of Vedic astrology. My arguments may not be bringing out any new lights on the issue – but Hari’s works does. With warm regards, Sreenadh ------------------------- Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:26:59 +0530 Anil Vsnl <gogatea Re: Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa Dear Shreenadhji, We are open to compare Aynamsha proposed by Chadra Hari with Lahiri Ayanmsha. All what you have said is being debated for many years now and there is no new point addressed by you hence I am not responding to it. But let me tell you since formation of Ephemery committee many years back ( and even before ! ) many astrologers and ephemery writers have emphasized upon how Ayanamsha followed by them are correct but none have been tested against time so well like Lahiri or Chitra pakshiya Ayanamsha. So as I said, let there be proper study done in case of Chandra hari Ayanamsha and if it proved that they give better compliance than Lahiri Ayanamsha , then we are willing to drop Lahiri Aynamsha. I would be thankful to you if you pass on the link to Shree Chandra hari's hypothesis. Regards, Anil Sreenadh vedic astrology Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:16 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsa Dear Anil, If any aribittary point in a circle could serve as the starting point, what is the importance of ayanamsa itself. Then you could choose any ayanamsa as you wish!! and thus come to any conclusion as you want!!. Then what would be the difference in selecting sayana system and nirayana system? Sayana system then would have a better argument as they are taking vernal equinox as the starting point!! The basement of Vedic astrology crumbles!! It can't be the correct approch. 'There should be one currect ayanamsa based on some theoretical foundation, currently we are not sure which one it is.' - If you say so, i would agree. Why should we select chithra as the star to locate the starting point of Aris? Can you quote any sloka, which says that chitra star should be used for that purpose? If you consider the yoga-tharas (stars) of stellar divisions, the only way to make all yoga-tharas with in there respective divisions is to take Abhijith as the starting point of stellar division. Then why don't Abhijith? It would be better than Chithra?! From which period people started using Chithra star? Is there any mention anywhere in ancient astrological texts which suggests that they have used chithra star. Ok. Most of us use Chithrapaksha ayanamsa of Lahari, and in most of the situations it gives accrurate results. (But it laks a mathametical or theoretical foundation). It might be that Lahiri's Ayanamsa is very close to correct value. But what it is, and why it is, we should find out. Only ancient sidhanthic texts could guide us in such a research. Chandra hari has done such a research, and take the patience to look at his results. I am not saying that you should follow him, but any person interested in the truth of astrology can not neglect his efforts. With warm regards, Sreenadh vedic astrology, Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...> wrote: > Dear Sreenath, > > There cannot be a scientific foundation for Ayanamsha theory as it basically means from where to start counting the circle. However when people started practicing astrology in olden days , there was nothing more obvious than the bold Chitra Star and hence people started using Chitra pakshiya Aynamsha which are used by Lahiri. > > Also practically it gives best fit to predicted events. > > I hope this clarifies what I wanted to say. > > Regards, > > Anil Gogate > - > sree nadh > vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:10 PM > [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsa > > > Dear Anilji, > What Mathametical/Theoretical foundation other > Ayanamsas have got? People try to defend > Lahari/Raman/Krishnamoorthi ayanamsa based on > horoscope results. If we consider events like > marriage, with enough logic, one could prove any > ayanamsa right!!! Of course I know that in books like > "Narada samhitha" we could find slokas that are in > favour of Chithrapaksha Ayanamsa. There we can find > slokas in favour of taking a point opposite chithra as > the starting point of Aris. But don't forget that the > period of this perticular book is debatable, and also > that such books are not sidhanthic texts. Hari's > arguments have a through mathametical foundation based > on Old Surya-sidhantha of Mayan (Included in > pancha-sidhanthika of Varahamihira). I think you would > like to consider these points. > Sreenadh > > Anil Vsnl <gogatea@v...> > Sent:Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:22:16 +0530 > Re: Chandra Hari Ayanamsha... > Dear Pradeepji, > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha has been well proven and most > importantly has been > tested for a long period of time. > > Any new Aynamsha will have to be tried for a very long > period and on > number of cases before we can conclude that it gives > better results than > Lahiri. > > However there is no harm in continuing with research > and all such cases > where the new Ayanamsha being researched gives better > compliance than > Lahiri Ayanamsha should be published. > > Regards, > > Anil > > vijayadas_pradeep > vedic astrology > Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:33 AM > [vedic astrology] Chandra Hari Ayanamsha... > > > Namaste Panditji Anil ji and shri Shanmughraj > > Recently i have been fortunate to interact with a > scientist and > scholar named Chandrahari. > He has his own Ayanamsha.Shri Rath has discussed his > ayanamsha while > comparing Raman/Lahiri/Chandrahari for TagOres > chart. > This discussion is present in sjc site. > > Shri ChandrahaHari is an astronomy scholar,has > written books and got > his papers published in science journals. > > I am currently experimenting his ayanamsha and have > made some > interesting observations. > > For example in Tagores horoscope,Chandrahari > ayanamsha gives > Rahu/Mars > as period of death-while other ayanamshas give > Jupiter,that of the > lagna lord. > Shri Raghunadha Rao Nemani has been running > Rahu-Ketu as compared to > Lahiri(Rahu-Venus). > > I am experimenting them on charts with accurate > data.I am yet to > conclude ,but this gentleman is very sure of what he > is speaking.He > has done good research. > He has clear views regarding the yoga principles > underlying astronomy > and Rashi chakra - As per him it is from Rahu and > Shikhi(ketu) ,the > name Rashi has originated. > > His ayanamsha is 24-35'-09'' for 1.01.2000.It may be > worth > experimenting for those who are research minded.We > have to experiment > them over hundreds of charts,before reaching a > conclusion. > > As a surprise for me - In his papers that were > published long > back(which i got recently) - he clearly mentions > consideration of > mathematical Bhavas in vargas as against the very > fundamentals. > For dashamsha too he has views similar to varanasi > version of BPHS. > > Thanks > Pradeep __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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