(Multiple replies) New method /Shri Raman

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Dear Shri Raman

 

''I don't see any reason why it should be considered only with Prashna''.

 

I have read that some use Hora based on 1st and 11th(though widely

accepted is Parashara) for prashna puropose.I just wanted to cross

check this.But i feel it can be used universally ,as you have said.

 

Now the points that i disagree are a)consideration of bhava here and

b)usage of different variations of Hora for ''different'' purposes.

 

A) i am avoiding a discussion.

 

B)My view is, all the variations should finally point to the same

meaning.Similar to a single ''2nd house'' for multiple purposes,hora

too should be able to answer all,from ''any'' among the

various''variations''.

 

For example Parashara has said, first half of an Odd sign belongs to

sun and viceversa.And for wealth,male planets give good results in

Hora of Sun.Thus Prashara Hora is not for complexion alone.Now we know

the whole zodiac is ruled by Sun and Moon(Aagneya and Saumya Rashis).

The same rulership pattern can be found in every sign,in the form of

Hora -like Shiva/Shakthi.Now day/night signs and Sun/Moon Horas ,that

you have presented,is a finer understanding of the broader principle

,that we have discussed so far.Thus these are not variations but

different lordship patterns meant for the same purpose.

 

Now the discrepancy that i find in your presentation is the violation

of Parashara fundamentals,in certain cases.For example first hora of

an Odd sign should ideally have an Odd Sign related to it.This is the

basic principle.If Scorpio is the sign corresponding to first part of

Aries- this condition is not met.

When we reconcile day sign we are violating oddsign and sun rulership.

 

''5th house is not Lakshmistana. I consider the 9th house as

Lakshmisthana''.

 

I was having Kendras as Vishnushtanas and Trikonas as Lakshmisthanas

in mind.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Raman Suprajarama"

<cru115@n...> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Pradeep,

>

>

>

> I don't see any reason why it should be considered only with

Prashna. Most

> rules applicable for Prashna are also applicable to the natal chart and

> vice-versa. Sarwartha Chintamani and Prasna Marga give general results

> applicable to both Prasna and Natal chart.

>

>

>

> In regard to Aishwarya Rai's chart, I agree with some of your

points. The

> Rasi chart does reveal the financial situation. But by looking at

the Hora

> chart, we are making our job easier. One need not go into deeper

analysis

> for understanding the strengths of the planets, if he were to refer

to the

> Hora chart. Infact, in my talk I told the audience that one can predict

> everything by looking at just the Rasi chart but that needed deeper

> understanding of the subject and considerable intuition.

>

>

>

> The mapping of Ashtalakshmis is based on my understanding of the

classical

> works. Sree Sooktam was also referred to.

>

>

>

> Karaka for ''wealth and bhagya'' jupiter is in a

>

> lakshmisthana and aspects bhagya and lagna

>

>

>

> 5th house is not Lakshmistana. I consider the 9th house as

Lakshmisthana.

> There is however some confusion regarding the place of Lakshmi.

> Uttarakalamrita gives 9th house for Lakshmi. On the other hand

> Lakshmihridayam indicates "Rasatalagate Lakshmi". In my mapping Rasatala

> corresponds to 11th house!

>

>

>

> Om Tat Sat,

>

>

>

> Raman Suprajarama

>

>

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of vijayadas_pradeep

> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:39 PM

>

> Re: (Multiple replies) New method /Shri Raman

>

>

>

> Dear shri Raman

>

>

>

> Thanks for your reply.There is an opinion amongst scholars that,the

>

> kind of Hora lordship that you have presented,is used only for

>

> prashna purposes.Prashna considers this for arriving at strengths of

>

> planets in various vargas.No bhava considerations.Kindly check this

>

> with elders of your tradition.

>

>

>

> I was specifically looking for the term ''LAGNA'',as you have quoted

>

> HORA as one half of lagna.This understanding has relevance as,first

>

> varga or division of a sign has many names -Lagna,kshethra,Rashi

>

> etc.

>

> Also,we can find ''LAGNEY DEHASYA VIJNANAM,HORAAYAM

>

> SAMPAADIKAM''etc.Thus it is clear that from lagna - one should think

>

> of deha or physique.Some scholars have interpreted this

>

> as ''physical plane and all'' for their convenience.Such

>

> interpretations are needed when we treat Rashi chakra as the first

>

> varga - which is a deviation from the definition.I am not planning

>

> for a debate regarding consideration of bhavas in vargas.Thus we

>

> will concentrate on the rest.I will compile my understandings on the

>

> above in a more productive and fruitful way during a later period.

>

>

>

> Let us take Aishwarya's Rashichakra(assuming this as correct).At a

>

> first glance,as you have rightly mentioned - one can see indications

>

> of poverty.But i have observed the following points.Kindly

>

> review.All points are based on simple principles.

>

>

>

> Sun is debilitated in 2nd.But Sun has attained STRONG neechabhanga.

>

> a) Its dispositor Venus is in a kendra from chandra as well as lagna

>

> and with digbala.b)The planet that gets exalted in the 2nd,viz.Shani

>

> is also in a kendra from chandra as well as Lagna.c)9th & 2nd lord

>

> Shukra is in a kendra with 11th lord Moon(having digbala).d)Kona

>

> lord joining Rahu in a Kendra -Rajayogakaraka.e)Fourth house is

>

> simhasana.Venus and Moon are

>

> placed there with digbala showing the popularity and

>

> beauty/Arts.Karaka for ''wealth and bhagya'' jupiter is in a

>

> lakshmisthana and aspects bhagya and lagna.Though debilitated Guru

>

> too has attained strong neechabhanga -(its exaltaion lord Moon is in

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> a kendra from lagna.Dispositor Saturn is in a kendra from lagna as

>

> well as chandra).Thus when multiple neechabhngas occur with

>

> strength,one can attain high status and wealth.Mars in strength,

>

> aspects 3rd house giving the necessary valor -perseverence and

>

> hardwork.

>

>

>

> Your points regarding,Jury and ambassador can be understood from the

>

> rashi chakra through Sun and Jupiter.Good points.Is the mapping of

>

> Ashtalakshmis based on parampara or some classical reference.Thanks

>

> for sharing this.I heard of ''Shree Sooktha Homam'' for propitiating

>

> Lakshmi.As you are from the tradition of Dr.Raman, your valuable

>

> contributions are eagerly expected.I humbly suggest not to fall prey

>

> to blind praise.Fall of many were caused by ''sthuthi pathakas'' -

>

> People who simply praise without thinking.Critically analyse our own

>

> works.Hope you will take my mail in the right sense.Wish you all the

>

> best.

>

>

>

> Regds

>

> Pradeep

>

>

>

> , "Raman Suprajarama"

>

> <cru115@n...> wrote:

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> > Dear friends,

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > I am glad that my paper has created considerable interest. The

>

> very fact

>

> > that there was more than 200 downloads within 24 hrs has given me

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> > considerable satisfaction. Below is my reply to all emails. I use

>

> Raman

>

> > Ayanamsa and there could be some differences in the co-ordinates

>

> to that

>

> > when calculated using Lahiri Ayanamsa. Further, the Ayanamsa I use

>

> takes the

>

> > year of coincidence as 397 (Raman value) but calculations are done

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> with

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> > slightly different figures. The value I use deviates by about 6-8

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> minutes

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> > from the value calculated by Jagannatha Hora.

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> >

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> > Dear Mr. Rath,

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > The first person to give this out in public was Narasimha Rao and

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> you have

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> > done an excellent paper on it as well. However there is some

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> discrepancy in

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> > the table given by you.

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> >

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> > For example, in tha table you have given for Aries the first hora

>

> which is

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> > surya hora is ruled by Mars-Scorpio (correct as it is day sign)

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> but then you

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> > show Capricorn as the night sign. Kindly clarify.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > The variation that I have given differs from other variations of

>

> the Hora

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> > chart found in Jagannatha Hora Software. I think Narasimha Rao

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> presented a

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> > version known as Kashinatha Hora which is found in Jagannatha Hora

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> Software

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> > which is quite different to what I have presented.

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> > The idea behind the chart is as follows:

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> >

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> > 1) Divide the signs into Day strong Signs and Night strong

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> Signs

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> >

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> > 2) The first half of an odd sign is ruled by the lord of

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> that sign and

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> > the planets go to the Day sign of this planet

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> >

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> > 3) The second half of an odd sign is ruled by the lord of

>

> the 11th

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> > from that sign and the planet belongs to the Night sign of this

>

> planet

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> >

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> > 4) In an even sign, the first half is ruled by the lord of

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> that sign

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> > and the planet belongs to the Night sign of this planet

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> >

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> > 5) The second half on the even sign is ruled by the lord of

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> 11th from

>

> > that sign and belongs to the Day sign of this planet

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > There is one exception here. For Sun and Moon, there are no

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> separate day and

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> > night signs. For Moon, both day and night signs are Cancer and for

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> Sun, both

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> > day and night signs are Leo.

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> >

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> >

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> > Dear Mr. Pradeep,

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > In your paper ,i could find a statement from Brihat jataka.Hora is

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> >

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> > one half of Lagna.I would be pleased to know your understanding on

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> >

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> > the same.After that i may share my understanding

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> >

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> >

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> > The second divisional chart is constructed by taking a bhava into

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> 15

>

> > degrees. So hora is 15 degrees each of a Sign.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Is the chart of Aishwarya from reliable sources.

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> >

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> > If yes,then strong neechbhanga yogas are present in the chart(not

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> >

>

> > vargas, as i do not understand bhavas there).Neechabhangas in full

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> >

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> > can give chakravarti/vartini yogas.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > This is the chart I have in my database. The chart was given to me

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> by a

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> > close friend. Details are as follows:

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> >

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> > Nov 1, 1973, 4:05 am at Mangalore.

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> >

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> >

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> > Dear Mr. Dutt,

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Hence, am curious to learn more about the Capricorn/Pisces etc

>

> differential

>

> > positioning of planets falling in the 15-30 degree ambit. Could

>

> you kindly

>

> > identify the relevant portion/sloka in Brihat Jataka from whence

>

> this

>

> > reference has been gleaned. Besides the standard text, I still

>

> have a

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> > tattered old BJ (Bengali version) with excellent annotations by a

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> noted

>

> > pundit. Would certainly wish to check notations on this one -

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> carefully.

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> >

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> >

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> > I don't have the text with me currently. You can find the verse in

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> the first

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> > chapter itself. The verse runs as "Kechittu horam prathamaam

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> bapsya.."

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Will definitely test out this option in the SE Asian private

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> banking

>

> > community over the next 3-6 months and share the feedback.

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> >

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> > Trust you can be reached on the Seshadripuram telephone number. In

>

> early

>

> > Sep, I will try to set-up a mutually convenient fixed time call to

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> clarify

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> > some of issues arising from your paper.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > I will be happy to receive your feedback. You can contact me at our

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> > Seshadripuram office or call me on +91-80-56991845.

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > Dear Mr. Gupta

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > In the special Hora chart of Dr.B.V.Raman (as per my

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> >

>

> > understanding of the rule and thumb rules given by

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> >

>

> > you) the tenancy of Raghu, Ketu and Guru seems to be

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> >

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> > respectively at Kumbha, Mithuna and Kanya; where as

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> >

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> > you have found them at Kumbha, Kataka and Mesha

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> >

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> > respectively?

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> >

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> >

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> > Please go by the logic that I have given above. In Dr. Raman's

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> chart, Rahu

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> > is 24 degrees Pisces which corresponds to 2nd half of Pisces. This

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> maps to

>

> > Day sign of Saturn which is Aquarius. For Ketu, its coordinates

>

> are 24

>

> > degrees Virgo which corresponds to 2nd half of Virgo. This maps to

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> Day sign

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> > of Moon which is Cancer itself. For Jupiter, its coordinates are

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> 14 degrees

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> > Scorpio which corresponds to first half of Scorpio. This maps to

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> Night sign

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> > of Mars which is Aries.

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> > In the special Hora chart exhibit marked by you for

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> >

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> > Dr.N.T.RamaRao, I could see Mars in the 2nd house, Sun

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> >

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> > in the 10th house, Raghu in the 11th house and SaturnR

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> >

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> > in the 12th house. By the application of your thumb

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> >

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> > rules(if taken it for granted you were talking about

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> >

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> > natural planetary qualities only) 2nd house Mars and

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> >

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> > 11th house Raghu indicates to me 'bad income Leval'

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> >

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> > and 'increased savings'.12th house SaturnR indicates

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> >

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> > 'increased expenses' disproportionate to his gross and

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> >

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> > net worth ,made him a penniless during the fag end of

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> >

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> > his life. Please advice as to whether my analytical

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> >

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> > understanding is correct or otherwise?

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> > I consider influence of Mercury as 2nd lord to overpower all other

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> effects.

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> > Hence, higher financial level. However, as indicated by you, the

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> Saturn in

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> > the 12th house did give him financial trouble. At the time of his

>

> death he

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> > was running Venus Dasa - Saturn Bhukti as per Vimshottari Dasa.

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> Your

>

> > understanding with regard to Saturn in the 12th house is correct.

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> >

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> > Dear Narasimha Rao,

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > I went thru the table given by you and I think I found one error.

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> >

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> > The second half of Sc is mapped to Li. Shouldn't it be Vi?

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> Probably

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> >

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> > it was a typo.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Actually there are three mistakes. The slide that I presented at

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> the

>

> > Jayanthi had correct values and those who copied it directly from

>

> my slide

>

> > have the correct values. I can send you the revised table. There

>

> are some

>

> > more points which I did not include in the paper but did talk

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> about them in

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> > the lecture. The final edited copy of my speech should be

>

> available by the

>

> > end of the week. There are also plans to upload the speech of

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> revered

>

> > father. I had promised a few of my esteemed friends that my speech

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> would be

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> > made available immediately after the Raman Jayanthi and hence had

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> to upload

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> > the rough draft.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > I will be very

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> >

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> > much interested in knowing the rationale behind your mapping.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > I will definitely write about this sometime later. I tried to

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> understand the

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> > texts and their meaning and mapped them accordingly.

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> >

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> > Dear Mr. Vijay,

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> >

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> >

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> >

>

> > Thank you very much for this lesson on the hora chart. I would

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> like

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> >

>

> > to duplicate some of your charts - is it possible to provide DOB

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> and

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> >

>

> > place for all the charts you used in this primer. Also what

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> ayanamsha

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> >

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> > do you use?

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > I have provided the Birth data of Aishwarya Rai. Dr. Raman's birth

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> details

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> > are August 8, 1912, Bangalore. For the current chart I have used

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> the

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> > rectified time (19.43 hrs). The birth details of the rest cannot

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> be provided

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> > due to obvious reasons. I use Raman Ayanamsa. More details can be

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> found at

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> > the top of this email.

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> >

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> > Dear Narasimha Rao,

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > I get Ketu in neither sign. I get Ketu in Le and Rahu in Aq.

>

> Please confirm

>

> > if you made a mistake. In fact, the rasi chart you gave shows Ketu

>

> in Virgo.

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> > The two halves of Vi are mapped to Ge and Le as per your table. I

>

> wonder how

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> > Ketu can be in Aq or Cn. Obviously, there is a typo. If you used a

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> software,

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> > it may have an error.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > As indicated earlier, the one uploaded is the rough draft. I can

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> upload my

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> > slides which carry the correct data. Ketu maps to Cancer and Rahu

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> maps to

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> > Aquarius. In the ascendant, Ketu has been mentioned instead of

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> Rahu.

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Warm regards,

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Raman Suprajarama

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> > _____

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> >

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> > Raman Suprajarama [cru115@n...]

>

> > Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:30 AM

>

> > vedic astrology

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> > Cc:

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> > New method for understanding finances

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> >

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> > Dear Friends,

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > I spoke on "Assessing finances through Hora chart" on August 15,

>

> 2005 when

>

> > Raman Jayanthi was observed. This is a new method of casting the

>

> Hora chart.

>

> > The same has been uploaded at our website

>

> (http://www.niranjanbabu.com

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> > <http://www.niranjanbabu.com/> ).

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> >

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> >

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> > I request the esteemed readers to kindly send their observations.

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> > Om Tat Sat,

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > Raman Suprajarama

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