Cn and Le Riddle ((Multiple replies) RE: New method...)

August 18, 2005

Dear Raman,

> For Sun and Moon, there are no day signs and night signs. Hence we

consider

> Cancer for Moon and Leo for Sun. This ensures consistency.

I argue that this does not ensure consistency, but makes things

highly inconsistent. You are mapping both the halves of Vi to night

signs (Ge and Cn) and both the halves of Li to day signs (Li and

Le). This is a total collapse of the paradigm of each sign mapped to

one day sign and one night sign. If the only reason for breaking the

paradigm is that Sun and Moon have only sign, why can't we combine

them so that there are two signs now?

The dichotomy of day/night is created by Sun and Moon and the zodiac

is divided into two halves. Each planet except Sun and Moon own one

day sign and one night sign each. The irony of this whole thing is

that Sun and Moon created this whole dichotomy, but they need to

combine into ONE entity in order to take part in this dichotomy!

In JHora, I will give Raman Hora the way you defined it now. After

all, it is your research. But I will also give a variation based on

the Cn/Le change I am suggesting. Ironically, you too had it the way

I like it in your original rough draft that was uploaded!

Despite my strong reservation about your treatment of Cn and Le, I

think the whole idea of combining two seemingly disjoint statements

of Varahamihira into one coherent teaching is quite brilliant and I

look forward to more contributions from you to the knowledge pool of

Jyotisha!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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vedic astrology, "Raman Suprajarama"

<cru115@n...> wrote:

> Dear Narasimha Rao,

>

> The idea behind hora charts is quite clear. Sun and Moon are

considered as

> different entities and that is the reason we have Day signs and

Night signs.

> If we were to consider Sun and Moon as same, then the Hora charts

would have

> been based on a different concept altogether.

>

> For Sun and Moon, there are no day signs and night signs. Hence we

consider

> Cancer for Moon and Leo for Sun. This ensures consistency. We can

ofcourse

> argue that we get two Day signs and two Night signs. But, of the

two

> options, what I have written is more consistent with the original

idea.

>

> Shiva and Parvathi, in the true sense, are actually one. But we

live in a

> mortal world, where we clearly differentiate everything, thanks to

our ego.

> The aspects seen in the Hora chart are actually those which

strengthen the

> desire/ego. Finance, family, etc are strong "bond creating"

entities. No

> wonder there is a differentiation between the Sun and the Moon!

>

> Om Tat Sat,

>

> Raman Suprajarama

>

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of pvr108

> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:00 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Cn and Le Riddle (Re: (Multiple

replies) RE: New

> method...)

>

> Dear Raman,

>

> > Virgo Gemini Cancer

>

> >

>

> > Libra Libra Leo

>

> Thank you for correcting these two rows in the table (in addition

to

>

> the Scorpio row with a typo). However, I like the original entries

>

> given in the PDF file better than your corrected entries above!

>

> The whole idea was that one half of the sign said to be Sun's hora

>

> would be a day sign and the other half of the sign said to be

Moon's

>

> hora would be a night sign. Above, you are mapping the halves of

Vi

>

> to Ge and Cn, BOTH NIGHT signs. Also, you are mapping the halves

of

>

> Li to Li and Le, BOTH DAY signs. The whole paradigm has been

broken!

>

> According to the teachings of Parasara and Varahamihira, clearly

the

>

> second half of even sign Vi should be in Sun's hora (i.e. a day

>

> sign). It can't be Cn. Similarly, the second half of odd sign Li

>

> should be in Moon's hora (i.e. a night sign). It can't be Le.

>

> If you switch Cn and Le in the above rows (i.e. go back to how

they

>

> were in the table in the PDF file), it would adhere to the

paradigm.

>

> I find it more logical.

>

> As Sun and Moon own only one sign, finding a day/night sign owned

by

>

> them is a problem unlike other planets. Considering Shiva and

>

> Parvati to be one is the only way out. This issue is encountered

so

>

> many times in Jyotisha (e.g. Kalachakra dasa).

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Narasimha

>

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August 18, 2005

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> Would you care to explain the source for mapping them to Surya or > Chandra

and then on to day or night rasis, which I presume is being > discussed. Or are

you talking about some different shloka?

There is a verse in Brihajjatakam just before the verse you quoted, which

defines the first/second horas in odd signs as Sun's and Moon's horas and

reverse in even signs. Parasara also defined the same way in BPHS.

In fact, it is not clear that the view in the verse you quoted below is

Varahamihira's. He defined the Sun/Moon based hora as if it was his own view

and mentioned this 1st lord/11th lord based method as if it was the view of

"some others". That is how Sri B. Suryanarain Rao (Raman Suprajarama's

grandfather's grandfather) interpreted in his translation of Brihajjatakam. He

felt that the definition based on Sun's and Moon's horas was Varahamihira's

view and the other 1st/11th method was that of others. Moreover, Sri Rao felt

based on his experience that Varahamihira was more correct.

At SJC, we use Kashinatha Hora, which builds on the concept of Sun's/Moon's

horas and uses day signs and night signs.

Raman Suprajarama's innovation is to mix this approach with the 1st/11th method.

His hora is identical to SJC's Kashinatha Hora if all planets are in the first

15 deg of signs. In the second halves, he takes the 11th. His idea is that what

seem like two different methods mentioned by Varahamihira are actually one

single method and Varahamihira encrypted it. It is plausible. At the same time,

it is debatable.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear Raman, Narasimha,> > If I remember right Raman had referred to

Varahamihira's Brihajjatakam > as a source or inspiration for the Hora chart he

proposed. If I am > right, Varahamihira says:> > keicÄu haera< àwma< ÉpSy

vaÁDiNt laÉaixpteiÖRtIyam!,> > kecittu horäà prathamäà bhapasya väïchanti

läbhädhipaterdvitéyäm|> > Ôe:ka[s<}amip v[RyiNt SvÖadzEkadzraizpanam!.12.> >

dreñkäëasaïjïämapi varëayanti svadvädaçaikädaçaräçipänäm||12||> > Here no

reference to first Hora of Sun or Moon is mentioned, if my > understanding is

correct, he talks about first Hora being of the Lord of > the rasi and second

of the 11th lord. Or rather Varahamihira says that > some Acharyas hold that

opinion.> > Then there is a reference in a Vriddha Karika that:> > razerx¡

ÉveÏaera ta> ctuiv¡zit> Sm&ta>,> > räçerardhaà bhaveddhorä täù caturviàçatiù

småtäù|> > me;aid tasa< haera[a< pirv&iÄÖy< Évet!.> > meñädi täsäà horäëäà

parivåttidvayaà bhavet||> > > This means that first Hora is of Mesha in Mesha

rasi second Hora of > Mesha rasi is Vrishabha and so on twice round the rasi

chakra. In both > cases, the talk is about Rasi Hora and not about Surya or

Chandra Hora. > Therefore the reference to day or night rasi representing Surya

or > Chandra is something that I am not able to follow.> > Would you care to

explain the source for mapping them to Surya or > Chandra and then on to day or

night rasis, which I presume is being > discussed. Or are you talking about some

different shloka?> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.

August 20, 2005

font-family:Arial">Dear Narasimha Rao,

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial;font-style:italic">The dichotomy of day/night is created by

Sun and Moon and the zodiac

font-family:Arial;font-style:italic">is divided into two halves. Each planet

except Sun and Moon own one

font-family:Arial;font-style:italic">day sign and one night sign each. The

irony of this whole thing is

font-family:Arial;font-style:italic">that Sun and Moon created this whole

dichotomy, but they need to

font-family:Arial;font-style:italic">combine into ONE entity in order to take

part in this dichotomy!

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">While constructing the Hora chart, we clearly differentiate

between Sun and Moon. We have to continue with this principle in order to

maintain consistency. The allotment of signs is based on Sun and Moon lordship

and not on Day signs and Night signs. We have considered Day/Night strong signs

based on the ownership of Sun/Moon and not the reverse.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">If we consider the normal Hora chart, we find that the planets

go into Cancer and Leo. We could take a clue from this and consider the Sun and

the Moon as two separate grahas and not one.

font-family:Arial">

Om Tat Sat,

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Raman Suprajarama

font-family:Arial">

[] On

Behalf Of pvr108

Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:02 PM

[vedic astrology] Cn and Le Riddle (Re: (Multiple

replies) RE: New method...)

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Dear Raman,

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">> For Sun and Moon, there are no day signs and night

signs. Hence we

font-family:Arial">consider

font-family:Arial">> Cancer for Moon and Leo for Sun. This ensures

consistency.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">I argue that this does not ensure consistency, but makes

things

font-family:Arial">highly inconsistent. You are mapping both the halves of Vi

to night

font-family:Arial">signs (Ge and Cn) and both the halves of Li to day signs (Li

and

font-family:Arial">Le). This is a total collapse of the paradigm of each sign

mapped to

font-family:Arial">one day sign and one night sign. If the only reason for

breaking the

font-family:Arial">paradigm is that Sun and Moon have only sign, why can't we

combine

font-family:Arial">them so that there are two signs now?

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">The dichotomy of day/night is created by Sun and Moon and

the zodiac

font-family:Arial">is divided into two halves. Each planet except Sun and Moon

own one

font-family:Arial">day sign and one night sign each. The irony of this whole

thing is

font-family:Arial">that Sun and Moon created this whole dichotomy, but they

need to

font-family:Arial">combine into ONE entity in order to take part in this

dichotomy!

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">In JHora, I will give Raman Hora the way you defined it now.

After

font-family:Arial">all, it is your research. But I will also give a variation

based on

font-family:Arial">the Cn/Le change I am suggesting. Ironically, you too had it

the way

font-family:Arial">I like it in your original rough draft that was uploaded!

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Despite my strong reservation about your treatment of Cn and

Le, I

font-family:Arial">think the whole idea of combining two seemingly disjoint

statements

font-family:Arial">of Varahamihira into one coherent teaching is quite

brilliant and I

font-family:Arial">look forward to more contributions from you to the knowledge

pool of

font-family:Arial">Jyotisha!

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">May Jupiter's light shine on us,

font-family:Arial">Narasimha

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font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">vedic astrology, "Raman

Suprajarama"

font-family:Arial"><cru115@n...> wrote:

font-family:Arial">> Dear Narasimha Rao,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> The idea behind hora charts is quite clear. Sun and

Moon are

font-family:Arial">considered as

font-family:Arial">> different entities and that is the reason we have Day

signs and

font-family:Arial">Night signs.

font-family:Arial">> If we were to consider Sun and Moon as same, then the

Hora charts

font-family:Arial">would have

font-family:Arial">> been based on a different concept altogether.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> For Sun and Moon, there are no day signs and night

signs. Hence we

font-family:Arial">consider

font-family:Arial">> Cancer for Moon and Leo for Sun. This ensures

consistency. We can

font-family:Arial">ofcourse

font-family:Arial">> argue that we get two Day signs and two Night signs.

But, of the

font-family:Arial">two

font-family:Arial">> options, what I have written is more consistent with

the original

font-family:Arial">idea.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Shiva and Parvathi, in the true sense, are actually

one. But we

font-family:Arial">live in a

font-family:Arial">> mortal world, where we clearly differentiate

everything, thanks to

font-family:Arial">our ego.

font-family:Arial">> The aspects seen in the Hora chart are actually those

which

font-family:Arial">strengthen the

font-family:Arial">> desire/ego. Finance, family, etc are strong "bond

creating"

font-family:Arial">entities. No

font-family:Arial">> wonder there is a differentiation between the Sun and

the Moon!

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Om Tat Sat,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Raman Suprajarama

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology

font-family:Arial">> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

pvr108

font-family:Arial">> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:00 PM

font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology

font-family:Arial">> [vedic astrology] Cn and Le Riddle (Re:

(Multiple

font-family:Arial">replies) RE: New

font-family:Arial">> method...)

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Raman,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> > Virgo Gemini Cancer

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> > Libra Libra Leo

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Thank you for correcting these two rows in the table

(in addition

font-family:Arial">to

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> the Scorpio row with a typo). However, I like the

original entries

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> given in the PDF file better than your corrected

entries above!

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> The whole idea was that one half of the sign said to be

Sun's hora

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> would be a day sign and the other half of the sign said

to be

font-family:Arial">Moon's

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> hora would be a night sign. Above, you are mapping the

halves of

font-family:Arial">Vi

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> to Ge and Cn, BOTH NIGHT signs. Also, you are mapping

the halves

font-family:Arial">of

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Li to Li and Le, BOTH DAY signs. The whole paradigm has

been

font-family:Arial">broken!

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> According to the teachings of Parasara and

Varahamihira, clearly

font-family:Arial">the

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> second half of even sign Vi should be in Sun's hora

(i.e. a day

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> sign). It can't be Cn. Similarly, the second half of

odd sign Li

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> should be in Moon's hora (i.e. a night sign). It can't

be Le.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> If you switch Cn and Le in the above rows (i.e. go back

to how

font-family:Arial">they

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> were in the table in the PDF file), it would adhere to

the

font-family:Arial">paradigm.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I find it more logical.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> As Sun and Moon own only one sign, finding a day/night

sign owned

font-family:Arial">by

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> them is a problem unlike other planets. Considering

Shiva and

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Parvati to be one is the only way out. This issue is

encountered

font-family:Arial">so

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> many times in Jyotisha (e.g. Kalachakra dasa).

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Warm regards,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Narasimha

font-family:Arial">>

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August 20, 2005

font-family:Arial">Dear Sri Chandrashekar,

font-family:Arial">

"àyaejnm! -

sUyRhaeraya< jataStejiSvníNÔSy haeraya< m&ÊSvÉava ÉviNt,

prayojanam -

süryahoräyäà jätästejasvinaçcandrasya horäyäà mådusvabhävä

bhavanti|"

So at least as far

as interpretation of Bhattopal goes this (Surya as

first horesha and

Chandra as second horesha for Vishama and reverse for

Sama) has to do

with the nature of Jataka.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">The commentary of Bhattotpala can be interpreted as “if

a planet is in the hora of Surya, the planet will be strong (tejashwini) and if

it is in the hora of Chandra, the planet will be mild (madhu)”. Dr. Raman

applied this sentence in the area of remedial measures. If an evil planet is in

the Hora of Sun, the remedial measure prescribed should be very powerful to

ward off evil doshas and if it is in the Hora of Moon, the measures prescribed can

be less powerful.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Govindhabhattatiri, while commenting on this sloka of

Varahamihira writes “Nishaaraashayo Nishaphaladhaah Dinaraashayo divaaphaladha

iti”

font-family:Arial">

Actually

if for Sama rasi

3rd house is considered as giving 2nd Hora, this would

be even more

logical count being reverse and Parakrama of a person has

as much bearing on

his wealth as his income.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">It all depends on how we interpret the word “parivruthhidwayam”.

Parivruthi can mean exchange.

font-family:Arial">

Om Tat Sat,

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Raman Suprajarama

font-family:Arial">

[] On

Behalf Of Chandrashekhar

Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:03 AM

Re: Re: Cn and Le Riddle (Re: (Multiple replies) RE:

New method...)

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Dear Narasimha,

font-family:Arial">I accept that Varahamihira said that the opinion about Rasi

lord being

font-family:Arial">lord of the first Hora and Lord of the 11th the 2nd Hora is

of other

font-family:Arial">Acharyas. The fact of the shloka preceding it is as you say

about first

font-family:Arial">Hora being of Sun and second of Moon.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Having said that, may I point out that Bhattotpal in his

commentary says

font-family:Arial">about the reason of allotting First Hora to Sun and second

to Moon as:

font-family:Arial">"àyaejnm! - sUyRhaeraya< jataStejiSvníNÔSy

haeraya< m&ÊSvÉava ÉviNt,

font-family:Arial">prayojanam - süryahoräyäà jätästejasvinaçcandrasya horäyäà

mådusvabhävä

font-family:Arial">bhavanti|"

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">So at least as far as interpretation of Bhattopal goes this

(Surya as

font-family:Arial">first horesha and Chandra as second horesha for Vishama and

reverse for

font-family:Arial">Sama) has to do with the nature of Jataka.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Now if we relate this to what Parashara has said:

font-family:Arial">tT]eÇ< tSy oeqSy razeyaeR ySy nayk>,

font-family:Arial">tatkñetraà tasya kheöasya räçeryo yasya näyakaù|

font-family:Arial">sUyeRNÖaeivR;me razaE sme tiÖprItkm!.5.

font-family:Arial">süryendvorviñame räçau same tadviparétakam||5||

font-family:Arial">iptríNÔhaereza deva> sUyRSy kIitRta>,

font-family:Arial">pitaraçcandrahoreçä deväù süryasya kértitäù|

font-family:Arial">razerÏ¡ ÉveÏaera taítuiv¡zit> Sm&ta>.

font-family:Arial">räçerarddhaà bhaveddhorä täçcaturviàçatiù småtäù||

font-family:Arial">me;aid tasa< haera[a< pirv&iÄÖy< Évet!.6.

font-family:Arial">meñädi täsäà horäëäà parivåttidvayaà bhavet||6||

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Here contrary to what is interpreted it appears, at least to

me with my

font-family:Arial">limited knowledge, what is being said is that Surya's devata

(first

font-family:Arial">hora in Vishama rasi and second Hora of Sama rasi) is Deva

and that of

font-family:Arial">Chandra (first Hora of Sama rasi and second Hora of Vishama

Rasi) the

font-family:Arial">Devata is Pitara and he is talking about Parivritti dvaya

Hora clearly

font-family:Arial">and not as Horas being lorded over by Sun and Moon for

Vishama rasi and

font-family:Arial">the other way round for Sama rasi. So there appears to be

much confusion

font-family:Arial">about what Parashara has said. Many astrologers appear to

project as if

font-family:Arial">Parashara has said first Hora in Vishama rasi belonging to

rasi of Sun

font-family:Arial">and second to the Moon means they fall in Leo and Cancer

rasis. The

font-family:Arial">above shloka of BPHS, does not seem to suggest that. Rather

it is said

font-family:Arial">by Varahamihira in his Brihajjatakam. But even here

Bhattotpala

font-family:Arial">commentary gives a new direction to that and appears to be

more logical.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Again my point is that since Parashara says one should look

at wealth

font-family:Arial">from Hora chart and 11th house Lord being Labhesha giving

one of the two

font-family:Arial">Horas of a rasi, depending on whether the Rasi is Sama or

Vishama

font-family:Arial">appears to be more in line with areas of influence of

Bhavas. Actually

font-family:Arial">if for Sama rasi 3rd house is considered as giving 2nd Hora,

this would

font-family:Arial">be even more logical count being reverse and Parakrama of a

person has

font-family:Arial">as much bearing on his wealth as his income.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Of course what I have said may appear to be not in line with

what is

font-family:Arial">believed to be said by Parashara to those more learned than

me.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Regards,

font-family:Arial">Chandrashekhar.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote:

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">> Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> > Would you care to explain the source for mapping

them to Surya or

font-family:Arial">> > Chandra and then on to day or night rasis, which I

presume is being

font-family:Arial">> > discussed. Or are you talking about some different

shloka?

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> There is a verse in Brihajjatakam just before the verse

you quoted,

font-family:Arial">> which defines the first/second horas in odd signs as

Sun's and Moon's

font-family:Arial">> horas and reverse in even signs. Parasara also defined

the same way in

font-family:Arial">> BPHS.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> In fact, it is not clear that the view in the verse you

quoted below

font-family:Arial">> is Varahamihira's. He defined the Sun/Moon based hora

as if it was his

font-family:Arial">> own view and mentioned this 1st lord/11th lord based

method as if it

font-family:Arial">> was the view of "some others". That is how

Sri B. Suryanarain Rao

font-family:Arial">> (Raman Suprajarama's grandfather's grandfather)

interpreted in his

font-family:Arial">> translation of Brihajjatakam. He felt that the

definition based on

font-family:Arial">> Sun's and Moon's horas was Varahamihira's view and the

other 1st/11th

font-family:Arial">> method was that of others. Moreover, Sri Rao felt based

on his

font-family:Arial">> experience that Varahamihira was more correct.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> At SJC, we use Kashinatha Hora, which builds on the

concept of

font-family:Arial">> Sun's/Moon's horas and uses day signs and night signs.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Raman Suprajarama's innovation is to mix this approach

with the

font-family:Arial">> 1st/11th method. His hora is identical to SJC's

Kashinatha Hora if all

font-family:Arial">> planets are in the first 15 deg of signs. In the second

halves, he

font-family:Arial">> takes the 11th. His idea is that what seem like two

different methods

font-family:Arial">> mentioned by Varahamihira are actually one single

method and

font-family:Arial">> Varahamihira encrypted it. It is plausible. At the same

time, it is

font-family:Arial">> debatable.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

font-family:Arial">> Narasimha

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font-family:Arial">> > Dear Raman, Narasimha,

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > If I remember right Raman had referred to

Varahamihira's Brihajjatakam

font-family:Arial">> > as a source or inspiration for the Hora chart he

proposed. If I am

font-family:Arial">> > right, Varahamihira says:

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > keicÄu haera< àwma< ÉpSy vaÁDiNt

laÉaixpteiÖRtIyam!,

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > kecittu horäà prathamäà bhapasya väïchanti

läbhädhipaterdvitéyäm|

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > Ôe:ka[s<}amip v[RyiNt SvÖadzEkadzraizpanam!.12.

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > dreñkäëasaïjïämapi varëayanti

svadvädaçaikädaçaräçipänäm||12||

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > Here no reference to first Hora of Sun or Moon is

mentioned, if my

font-family:Arial">> > understanding is correct, he talks about first

Hora being of the

font-family:Arial">> Lord of

font-family:Arial">> > the rasi and second of the 11th lord. Or rather

Varahamihira says that

font-family:Arial">> > some Acharyas hold that opinion.

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > Then there is a reference in a Vriddha Karika

that:

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > razerx¡ ÉveÏaera ta> ctuiv¡zit>

Sm&ta>,

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > räçerardhaà bhaveddhorä täù caturviàçatiù småtäù|

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > me;aid tasa< haera[a< pirv&iÄÖy<

Évet!.

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > meñädi täsäà horäëäà parivåttidvayaà bhavet||

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > This means that first Hora is of Mesha in Mesha

rasi second Hora of

font-family:Arial">> > Mesha rasi is Vrishabha and so on twice round the

rasi chakra. In both

font-family:Arial">> > cases, the talk is about Rasi Hora and not about

Surya or Chandra Hora.

font-family:Arial">> > Therefore the reference to day or night rasi

representing Surya or

font-family:Arial">> > Chandra is something that I am not able to follow.

font-family:Arial">> >

font-family:Arial">> > Would you care to explain the source for mapping

them to Surya or

font-family:Arial">> > Chandra and then on to day or night rasis, which I

presume is being

font-family:Arial">> > discussed. Or are you talking about some different

shloka?

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