RE: (Multiple replies) New method /Shri Raman

August 17, 2005

font-family:Arial">Dear Mr. Pradeep,

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font-family:Arial">I don't see any reason why it should be considered only with

Prashna. Most rules applicable for Prashna are also applicable to the natal

chart and vice-versa. Sarwartha Chintamani and Prasna Marga give general results

applicable to both Prasna and Natal

chart.

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font-family:Arial">In regard to Aishwarya Rai's chart, I agree with some of

your points. The Rasi chart does reveal the financial situation. But by looking

at the Hora chart, we are making our job easier. One need not go into deeper

analysis for understanding the strengths of the planets, if he were to refer to

the Hora chart. Infact, in my talk I told the audience that one can predict

everything by looking at just the Rasi chart but that needed deeper

understanding of the subject and considerable intuition.

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font-family:Arial">The mapping of Ashtalakshmis is based on my understanding of

the classical works. Sree Sooktam was also referred to.

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Karaka for

''wealth and bhagya'' jupiter is in a

lakshmisthana and

aspects bhagya and lagna

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font-family:Arial">5th house is not Lakshmistana. I consider the 9th

house as Lakshmisthana. There is however some confusion regarding the place of

Lakshmi. Uttarakalamrita gives 9th house for Lakshmi. On the other

hand Lakshmihridayam indicates “Rasatalagate Lakshmi”. In my

mapping Rasatala corresponds to 11th house!

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Om Tat Sat,

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font-family:Arial">Raman Suprajarama

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[] On

Behalf Of vijayadas_pradeep

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:39 PM

Re: (Multiple replies) New method /Shri Raman

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font-family:Arial">Dear shri Raman

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font-family:Arial">Thanks for your reply.There is an opinion amongst scholars

that,the

font-family:Arial">kind of Hora lordship that you have presented,is used only

for

font-family:Arial">prashna purposes.Prashna considers this for arriving at

strengths of

font-family:Arial">planets in various vargas.No bhava considerations.Kindly

check this

font-family:Arial">with elders of your tradition.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">I was specifically looking for the term ''LAGNA'',as you

have quoted

font-family:Arial">HORA as one half of lagna.This understanding has relevance

as,first

font-family:Arial">varga or division of a sign has many names

-Lagna,kshethra,Rashi

font-family:Arial">etc.

font-family:Arial">Also,we can find ''LAGNEY DEHASYA VIJNANAM,HORAAYAM

font-family:Arial">SAMPAADIKAM''etc.Thus it is clear that from lagna - one

should think

font-family:Arial">of deha or physique.Some scholars have interpreted this

font-family:Arial">as ''physical plane and all'' for their convenience.Such

font-family:Arial">interpretations are needed when we treat Rashi chakra as the

first

font-family:Arial">varga - which is a deviation from the definition.I am not

planning

font-family:Arial">for a debate regarding consideration of bhavas in

vargas.Thus we

font-family:Arial">will concentrate on the rest.I will compile my

understandings on the

font-family:Arial">above in a more productive and fruitful way during a later

period.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Let us take Aishwarya's Rashichakra(assuming this as

correct).At a

font-family:Arial">first glance,as you have rightly mentioned - one can see

indications

font-family:Arial">of poverty.But i have observed the following points.Kindly

font-family:Arial">review.All points are based on simple principles.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Sun is debilitated in 2nd.But Sun has attained STRONG

neechabhanga.

font-family:Arial">a) Its dispositor Venus is in a kendra from chandra as well

as lagna

font-family:Arial">and with digbala.b)The planet that gets exalted in the

2nd,viz.Shani

font-family:Arial">is also in a kendra from chandra as well as Lagna.c)9th

& 2nd lord

font-family:Arial">Shukra is in a kendra with 11th lord Moon(having

digbala).d)Kona

font-family:Arial">lord joining Rahu in a Kendra -Rajayogakaraka.e)Fourth house

is

font-family:Arial">simhasana.Venus and Moon are

font-family:Arial">placed there with digbala showing the popularity and

font-family:Arial">beauty/Arts.Karaka for ''wealth and bhagya'' jupiter is in a

font-family:Arial">lakshmisthana and aspects bhagya and lagna.Though

debilitated Guru

font-family:Arial">too has attained strong neechabhanga -(its exaltaion lord

Moon is in

font-family:Arial">a kendra from lagna.Dispositor Saturn is in a kendra from

lagna as

font-family:Arial">well as chandra).Thus when multiple neechabhngas occur with

font-family:Arial">strength,one can attain high status and wealth.Mars in

strength,

font-family:Arial">aspects 3rd house giving the necessary valor -perseverence

and

font-family:Arial">hardwork.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Your points regarding,Jury and ambassador can be understood

from the

font-family:Arial">rashi chakra through Sun and Jupiter.Good points.Is the

mapping of

font-family:Arial">Ashtalakshmis based on parampara or some classical

reference.Thanks

font-family:Arial">for sharing this.I heard of ''Shree Sooktha Homam'' for

propitiating

font-family:Arial">Lakshmi.As you are from the tradition of Dr.Raman, your

valuable

font-family:Arial">contributions are eagerly expected.I humbly suggest not to

fall prey

font-family:Arial">to blind praise.Fall of many were caused by ''sthuthi

pathakas'' -

font-family:Arial">People who simply praise without thinking.Critically analyse

our own

font-family:Arial">works.Hope you will take my mail in the right sense.Wish you

all the

font-family:Arial">best.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Regds

font-family:Arial">Pradeep

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">, "Raman

Suprajarama"

font-family:Arial"><cru115@n...> wrote:

font-family:Arial">> Dear friends,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I am glad that my paper has created considerable

interest. The

font-family:Arial">very fact

font-family:Arial">> that there was more than 200 downloads within 24 hrs

has given me

font-family:Arial">> considerable satisfaction. Below is my reply to all

emails. I use

font-family:Arial">Raman

font-family:Arial">> Ayanamsa and there could be some differences in the

co-ordinates

font-family:Arial">to that

font-family:Arial">> when calculated using Lahiri Ayanamsa. Further, the

Ayanamsa I use

font-family:Arial">takes the

font-family:Arial">> year of coincidence as 397 (Raman value) but

calculations are done

font-family:Arial">with

font-family:Arial">> slightly different figures. The value I use deviates by

about 6-8

font-family:Arial">minutes

font-family:Arial">> from the value calculated by Jagannatha Hora.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Mr. Rath,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> The first person to give this out in public was

Narasimha Rao and

font-family:Arial">you have

font-family:Arial">> done an excellent paper on it as well. However there is

some

font-family:Arial">discrepancy in

font-family:Arial">> the table given by you.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> For example, in tha table you have given for Aries the

first hora

font-family:Arial">which is

font-family:Arial">> surya hora is ruled by Mars-Scorpio (correct as it is

day sign)

font-family:Arial">but then you

font-family:Arial">> show Capricorn as the night sign. Kindly clarify.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> The variation that I have given differs from other

variations of

font-family:Arial">the Hora

font-family:Arial">> chart found in Jagannatha Hora Software. I think

Narasimha Rao

font-family:Arial">presented a

font-family:Arial">> version known as Kashinatha Hora which is found in

Jagannatha Hora

font-family:Arial">Software

font-family:Arial">> which is quite different to what I have presented.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> The idea behind the chart is as follows:

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> 1) Divide the signs

into Day strong Signs and Night strong

font-family:Arial">Signs

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> 2) The first half

of an odd sign is ruled by the lord of

font-family:Arial">that sign and

font-family:Arial">> the planets go to the Day sign of this planet

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> 3) The second half

of an odd sign is ruled by the lord of

font-family:Arial">the 11th

font-family:Arial">> from that sign and the planet belongs to the Night sign

of this

font-family:Arial">planet

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> 4) In an even sign,

the first half is ruled by the lord of

font-family:Arial">that sign

font-family:Arial">> and the planet belongs to the Night sign of this planet

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> 5) The second half

on the even sign is ruled by the lord of

font-family:Arial">11th from

font-family:Arial">> that sign and belongs to the Day sign of this planet

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> There is one exception here. For Sun and Moon, there

are no

font-family:Arial">separate day and

font-family:Arial">> night signs. For Moon, both day and night signs are

Cancer and for

font-family:Arial">Sun, both

font-family:Arial">> day and night signs are Leo.

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font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Mr. Pradeep,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> In your paper ,i could find a statement from Brihat

jataka.Hora is

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> one half of Lagna.I would be pleased to know your

understanding on

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> the same.After that i may share my understanding

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> The second divisional chart is constructed by taking a

bhava into

font-family:Arial">15

font-family:Arial">> degrees. So hora is 15 degrees each of a Sign.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Is the chart of Aishwarya from reliable sources.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> If yes,then strong neechbhanga yogas are present in the

chart(not

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> vargas, as i do not understand bhavas

there).Neechabhangas in full

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> can give chakravarti/vartini yogas.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> This is the chart I have in my database. The chart was

given to me

font-family:Arial">by a

font-family:Arial">> close friend. Details are as follows:

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Nov 1, 1973, 4:05 am at Mangalore.

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font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Mr. Dutt,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Hence, am curious to learn more about the

Capricorn/Pisces etc

font-family:Arial">differential

font-family:Arial">> positioning of planets falling in the 15-30 degree

ambit. Could

font-family:Arial">you kindly

font-family:Arial">> identify the relevant portion/sloka in Brihat Jataka

from whence

font-family:Arial">this

font-family:Arial">> reference has been gleaned. Besides the standard text,

I still

font-family:Arial">have a

font-family:Arial">> tattered old BJ (Bengali version) with excellent

annotations by a

font-family:Arial">noted

font-family:Arial">> pundit. Would certainly wish to check notations on this

one -

font-family:Arial">carefully.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I don't have the text with me currently. You can find

the verse in

font-family:Arial">the first

font-family:Arial">> chapter itself. The verse runs as "Kechittu horam

prathamaam

font-family:Arial">bapsya.."

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Will definitely test out this option in the SE Asian

private

font-family:Arial">banking

font-family:Arial">> community over the next 3-6 months and share the

feedback.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Trust you can be reached on the Seshadripuram telephone

number. In

font-family:Arial">early

font-family:Arial">> Sep, I will try to set-up a mutually convenient fixed

time call to

font-family:Arial">clarify

font-family:Arial">> some of issues arising from your paper.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I will be happy to receive your feedback. You can

contact me at our

font-family:Arial">> Seshadripuram office or call me on +91-80-56991845.

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font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Mr. Gupta

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> In the special Hora chart of Dr.B.V.Raman (as per my

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> understanding of the rule and thumb rules given by

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> you) the tenancy of Raghu, Ketu and Guru seems to be

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> respectively at Kumbha, Mithuna and Kanya; where as

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> you have found them at Kumbha, Kataka and Mesha

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> respectively?

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Please go by the logic that I have given above. In Dr.

Raman's

font-family:Arial">chart, Rahu

font-family:Arial">> is 24 degrees Pisces which corresponds to 2nd half of

Pisces. This

font-family:Arial">maps to

font-family:Arial">> Day sign of Saturn which is Aquarius. For Ketu, its

coordinates

font-family:Arial">are 24

font-family:Arial">> degrees Virgo which corresponds to 2nd half of Virgo.

This maps to

font-family:Arial">Day sign

font-family:Arial">> of Moon which is Cancer itself. For Jupiter, its

coordinates are

font-family:Arial">14 degrees

font-family:Arial">> Scorpio which corresponds to first half of Scorpio.

This maps to

font-family:Arial">Night sign

font-family:Arial">> of Mars which is Aries.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> In the special Hora chart exhibit marked by you for

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dr.N.T.RamaRao, I could see Mars in the 2nd house, Sun

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> in the 10th house, Raghu in the 11th house and SaturnR

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> in the 12th house. By the application of your thumb

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> rules(if taken it for granted you were talking about

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> natural planetary qualities only) 2nd house Mars and

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> 11th house Raghu indicates to me 'bad income Leval'

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> and 'increased savings'.12th house SaturnR indicates

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> 'increased expenses' disproportionate to his gross and

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> net worth ,made him a penniless during the fag end of

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> his life. Please advice as to whether my analytical

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> understanding is correct or otherwise?

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I consider influence of Mercury as 2nd lord to

overpower all other

font-family:Arial">effects.

font-family:Arial">> Hence, higher financial level. However, as indicated by

you, the

font-family:Arial">Saturn in

font-family:Arial">> the 12th house did give him financial trouble. At the

time of his

font-family:Arial">death he

font-family:Arial">> was running Venus Dasa - Saturn Bhukti as per

Vimshottari Dasa.

font-family:Arial">Your

font-family:Arial">> understanding with regard to Saturn in the 12th house

is correct.

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font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Narasimha Rao,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I went thru the table given by you and I think I found

one error.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> The second half of Sc is mapped to Li. Shouldn't it be

Vi?

font-family:Arial">Probably

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> it was a typo.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Actually there are three mistakes. The slide that I

presented at

font-family:Arial">the

font-family:Arial">> Jayanthi had correct values and those who copied it

directly from

font-family:Arial">my slide

font-family:Arial">> have the correct values. I can send you the revised

table. There

font-family:Arial">are some

font-family:Arial">> more points which I did not include in the paper but

did talk

font-family:Arial">about them in

font-family:Arial">> the lecture. The final edited copy of my speech should

be

font-family:Arial">available by the

font-family:Arial">> end of the week. There are also plans to upload the

speech of

font-family:Arial">revered

font-family:Arial">> father. I had promised a few of my esteemed friends

that my speech

font-family:Arial">would be

font-family:Arial">> made available immediately after the Raman Jayanthi and

hence had

font-family:Arial">to upload

font-family:Arial">> the rough draft.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I will be very

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> much interested in knowing the rationale behind your

mapping.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I will definitely write about this sometime later. I

tried to

font-family:Arial">understand the

font-family:Arial">> texts and their meaning and mapped them accordingly.

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font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Mr. Vijay,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Thank you very much for this lesson on the hora chart.

I would

font-family:Arial">like

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> to duplicate some of your charts - is it possible to

provide DOB

font-family:Arial">and

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> place for all the charts you used in this primer. Also

what

font-family:Arial">ayanamsha

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> do you use?

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I have provided the Birth data of Aishwarya Rai. Dr.

Raman's birth

font-family:Arial">details

font-family:Arial">> are August 8, 1912, Bangalore. For the current chart I have used

font-family:Arial">the

font-family:Arial">> rectified time (19.43 hrs). The birth details of the

rest cannot

font-family:Arial">be provided

font-family:Arial">> due to obvious reasons. I use Raman Ayanamsa. More

details can be

font-family:Arial">found at

font-family:Arial">> the top of this email.

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font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Narasimha Rao,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I get Ketu in neither sign. I get Ketu in Le and Rahu

in Aq.

font-family:Arial">Please confirm

font-family:Arial">> if you made a mistake. In fact, the rasi chart you gave

shows Ketu

font-family:Arial">in Virgo.

font-family:Arial">> The two halves of Vi are mapped to Ge and Le as per

your table. I

font-family:Arial">wonder how

font-family:Arial">> Ketu can be in Aq or Cn. Obviously, there is a typo. If

you used a

font-family:Arial">software,

font-family:Arial">> it may have an error.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> As indicated earlier, the one uploaded is the rough

draft. I can

font-family:Arial">upload my

font-family:Arial">> slides which carry the correct data. Ketu maps to

Cancer and Rahu

font-family:Arial">maps to

font-family:Arial">> Aquarius. In the ascendant, Ketu has been mentioned

instead of

font-family:Arial">Rahu.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Warm regards,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Raman Suprajarama

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> _____

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Raman Suprajarama [cru115@n...]

font-family:Arial">> Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:30 AM

font-family:Arial">> vedic astrology

font-family:Arial">> Cc:

font-family:Arial">> New method for understanding finances

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Dear Friends,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I spoke on "Assessing finances through Hora

chart" on August 15,

font-family:Arial">2005 when

font-family:Arial">> Raman Jayanthi was observed. This is a new method of

casting the

font-family:Arial">Hora chart.

font-family:Arial">> The same has been uploaded at our website

font-family:Arial">(http://www.niranjanbabu.com

font-family:Arial">> <http://www.niranjanbabu.com/> ).

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> I request the esteemed readers to kindly send their observations.

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Om Tat Sat,

font-family:Arial">>

font-family:Arial">> Raman Suprajarama

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