(Multiple replies) New method /Shri Raman

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Dear shri Raman

 

Thanks for your reply.There is an opinion amongst scholars that,the

kind of Hora lordship that you have presented,is used only for

prashna purposes.Prashna considers this for arriving at strengths of

planets in various vargas.No bhava considerations.Kindly check this

with elders of your tradition and give feedback.

 

I was specifically looking for the term ''LAGNA'',as you have quoted

HORA as one half of lagna.This understanding has relevance as,first

varga or division of a sign has many names -Lagna,kshethra,Rashi

etc.

Also,we can find ''LAGNEY DEHASYA VIJNANAM,HORAAYAM

SAMPAADIKAM''etc.Thus it is clear that from lagna - one should think

of deha or physique.Some scholars have interpreted this

as ''physical plane and all'' for their convenience.Such

interpretations are needed when we treat Rashi chakra as the first

varga - which is a deviation from the definition.I am not planning

for a debate regarding consideration of bhavas in vargas.Thus we

will concentrate on the rest.I will compile my understandings on the

above in a more productive and fruitful way during a later period.

 

Let us take Aishwarya's Rashichakra(assuming this as correct).At a

first glance,as you have rightly mentioned - one can see indications

of poverty.But i have observed the following points.Kindly

review.All points are based on simple principles.

 

Sun is debilitated in 2nd.But Sun has attained STRONG neechabhanga.

a) Its dispositor Venus is in a kendra from chandra as well as lagna

and with digbala.b)The planet that gets exalted in the 2nd,viz.Shani

is also in a kendra from chandra as well as Lagna.c)9th & 2nd lord

Shukra is in a kendra with 11th lord Moon(having digbala).d)Kona

lord joining Rahu in a Kendra -Rajayogakaraka.e)Fourth house is

simhasana.Venus and Moon are placed there with digbala showing the

popularity and beauty/Arts.Karaka for ''wealth and bhagya'' jupiter

is in a lakshmisthana and aspects bhagya and lagna.Though

debilitated Guru too has attained strong neechabhanga -(its

exaltaion lord Moon is in a kendra from lagna.Dispositor Saturn is

in a kendra from lagna as well as chandra).Thus when multiple

neechabhngas occur with strength,one can attain high status and

wealth.Mars in strength, aspects 3rd house giving the necessary

valor -perseverence and hardwork.

 

Your points regarding,Jury and ambassador can be understood from the

rashi chakra through Sun and Jupiter.Good points.Is the mapping of

Ashtalakshmis based on parampara or some classical reference.Thanks

for sharing this.I heard of ''Shree Sooktha Homam'' for propitiating

Lakshmi.As you are from the tradition of Dr.Raman, your valuable

contributions are eagerly expected.I humbly suggest not to fall prey

to blind praise.Fall of many were caused by ''sthuthi pathakas'' -

People who simply praise without thinking.Critically analyse our own

works.Hope you will take my mail in the right sense.Wish you all the

best.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "Raman Suprajarama"

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> Dear friends,

>

>

>

> I am glad that my paper has created considerable interest. The

very fact

> that there was more than 200 downloads within 24 hrs has given me

> considerable satisfaction. Below is my reply to all emails. I use

Raman

> Ayanamsa and there could be some differences in the co-ordinates

to that

> when calculated using Lahiri Ayanamsa. Further, the Ayanamsa I use

takes the

> year of coincidence as 397 (Raman value) but calculations are done

with

> slightly different figures. The value I use deviates by about 6-8

minutes

> from the value calculated by Jagannatha Hora.

>

>

>

> Dear Mr. Rath,

>

>

>

> The first person to give this out in public was Narasimha Rao and

you have

> done an excellent paper on it as well. However there is some

discrepancy in

> the table given by you.

>

> For example, in tha table you have given for Aries the first hora

which is

> surya hora is ruled by Mars-Scorpio (correct as it is day sign)

but then you

> show Capricorn as the night sign. Kindly clarify.

>

>

>

> The variation that I have given differs from other variations of

the Hora

> chart found in Jagannatha Hora Software. I think Narasimha Rao

presented a

> version known as Kashinatha Hora which is found in Jagannatha Hora

Software

> which is quite different to what I have presented.

>

>

>

> The idea behind the chart is as follows:

>

> 1) Divide the signs into Day strong Signs and Night strong

Signs

>

> 2) The first half of an odd sign is ruled by the lord of

that sign and

> the planets go to the Day sign of this planet

>

> 3) The second half of an odd sign is ruled by the lord of

the 11th

> from that sign and the planet belongs to the Night sign of this

planet

>

> 4) In an even sign, the first half is ruled by the lord of

that sign

> and the planet belongs to the Night sign of this planet

>

> 5) The second half on the even sign is ruled by the lord of

11th from

> that sign and belongs to the Day sign of this planet

>

>

>

> There is one exception here. For Sun and Moon, there are no

separate day and

> night signs. For Moon, both day and night signs are Cancer and for

Sun, both

> day and night signs are Leo.

>

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>

> Dear Mr. Pradeep,

>

>

>

> In your paper ,i could find a statement from Brihat jataka.Hora is

>

> one half of Lagna.I would be pleased to know your understanding on

>

> the same.After that i may share my understanding

>

>

>

> The second divisional chart is constructed by taking a bhava into

15

> degrees. So hora is 15 degrees each of a Sign.

>

>

>

> Is the chart of Aishwarya from reliable sources.

>

> If yes,then strong neechbhanga yogas are present in the chart(not

>

> vargas, as i do not understand bhavas there).Neechabhangas in full

>

> can give chakravarti/vartini yogas.

>

>

>

> This is the chart I have in my database. The chart was given to me

by a

> close friend. Details are as follows:

>

> Nov 1, 1973, 4:05 am at Mangalore.

>

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>

> Dear Mr. Dutt,

>

>

>

> Hence, am curious to learn more about the Capricorn/Pisces etc

differential

> positioning of planets falling in the 15-30 degree ambit. Could

you kindly

> identify the relevant portion/sloka in Brihat Jataka from whence

this

> reference has been gleaned. Besides the standard text, I still

have a

> tattered old BJ (Bengali version) with excellent annotations by a

noted

> pundit. Would certainly wish to check notations on this one -

carefully.

>

>

>

> I don't have the text with me currently. You can find the verse in

the first

> chapter itself. The verse runs as "Kechittu horam prathamaam

bapsya.."

>

>

>

> Will definitely test out this option in the SE Asian private

banking

> community over the next 3-6 months and share the feedback.

>

> Trust you can be reached on the Seshadripuram telephone number. In

early

> Sep, I will try to set-up a mutually convenient fixed time call to

clarify

> some of issues arising from your paper.

>

>

>

> I will be happy to receive your feedback. You can contact me at our

> Seshadripuram office or call me on +91-80-56991845.

>

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>

> Dear Mr. Gupta

>

>

>

> In the special Hora chart of Dr.B.V.Raman (as per my

>

> understanding of the rule and thumb rules given by

>

> you) the tenancy of Raghu, Ketu and Guru seems to be

>

> respectively at Kumbha, Mithuna and Kanya; where as

>

> you have found them at Kumbha, Kataka and Mesha

>

> respectively?

>

>

>

> Please go by the logic that I have given above. In Dr. Raman's

chart, Rahu

> is 24 degrees Pisces which corresponds to 2nd half of Pisces. This

maps to

> Day sign of Saturn which is Aquarius. For Ketu, its coordinates

are 24

> degrees Virgo which corresponds to 2nd half of Virgo. This maps to

Day sign

> of Moon which is Cancer itself. For Jupiter, its coordinates are

14 degrees

> Scorpio which corresponds to first half of Scorpio. This maps to

Night sign

> of Mars which is Aries.

>

>

>

> In the special Hora chart exhibit marked by you for

>

> Dr.N.T.RamaRao, I could see Mars in the 2nd house, Sun

>

> in the 10th house, Raghu in the 11th house and SaturnR

>

> in the 12th house. By the application of your thumb

>

> rules(if taken it for granted you were talking about

>

> natural planetary qualities only) 2nd house Mars and

>

> 11th house Raghu indicates to me 'bad income Leval'

>

> and 'increased savings'.12th house SaturnR indicates

>

> 'increased expenses' disproportionate to his gross and

>

> net worth ,made him a penniless during the fag end of

>

> his life. Please advice as to whether my analytical

>

> understanding is correct or otherwise?

>

>

>

> I consider influence of Mercury as 2nd lord to overpower all other

effects.

> Hence, higher financial level. However, as indicated by you, the

Saturn in

> the 12th house did give him financial trouble. At the time of his

death he

> was running Venus Dasa - Saturn Bhukti as per Vimshottari Dasa.

Your

> understanding with regard to Saturn in the 12th house is correct.

>

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>

> Dear Narasimha Rao,

>

>

>

> I went thru the table given by you and I think I found one error.

>

> The second half of Sc is mapped to Li. Shouldn't it be Vi?

Probably

>

> it was a typo.

>

>

>

> Actually there are three mistakes. The slide that I presented at

the

> Jayanthi had correct values and those who copied it directly from

my slide

> have the correct values. I can send you the revised table. There

are some

> more points which I did not include in the paper but did talk

about them in

> the lecture. The final edited copy of my speech should be

available by the

> end of the week. There are also plans to upload the speech of

revered

> father. I had promised a few of my esteemed friends that my speech

would be

> made available immediately after the Raman Jayanthi and hence had

to upload

> the rough draft.

>

>

>

> I will be very

>

> much interested in knowing the rationale behind your mapping.

>

>

>

> I will definitely write about this sometime later. I tried to

understand the

> texts and their meaning and mapped them accordingly.

>

>

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>

>

> Dear Mr. Vijay,

>

>

>

> Thank you very much for this lesson on the hora chart. I would

like

>

> to duplicate some of your charts - is it possible to provide DOB

and

>

> place for all the charts you used in this primer. Also what

ayanamsha

>

> do you use?

>

>

>

> I have provided the Birth data of Aishwarya Rai. Dr. Raman's birth

details

> are August 8, 1912, Bangalore. For the current chart I have used

the

> rectified time (19.43 hrs). The birth details of the rest cannot

be provided

> due to obvious reasons. I use Raman Ayanamsa. More details can be

found at

> the top of this email.

>

>

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>

>

> Dear Narasimha Rao,

>

>

>

> I get Ketu in neither sign. I get Ketu in Le and Rahu in Aq.

Please confirm

> if you made a mistake. In fact, the rasi chart you gave shows Ketu

in Virgo.

> The two halves of Vi are mapped to Ge and Le as per your table. I

wonder how

> Ketu can be in Aq or Cn. Obviously, there is a typo. If you used a

software,

> it may have an error.

>

>

>

> As indicated earlier, the one uploaded is the rough draft. I can

upload my

> slides which carry the correct data. Ketu maps to Cancer and Rahu

maps to

> Aquarius. In the ascendant, Ketu has been mentioned instead of

Rahu.

>

>

>

> Warm regards,

>

>

>

> Raman Suprajarama

>

>

>

>

>

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>

> Raman Suprajarama [cru115@n...]

> Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:30 AM

> vedic astrology

> Cc:

> New method for understanding finances

>

> Dear Friends,

>

>

>

> I spoke on "Assessing finances through Hora chart" on August 15,

2005 when

> Raman Jayanthi was observed. This is a new method of casting the

Hora chart.

> The same has been uploaded at our website

(http://www.niranjanbabu.com

> <http://www.niranjanbabu.com/> ).

>

>

>

> I request the esteemed readers to kindly send their observations.

>

>

>

> Om Tat Sat,

>

>

>

> Raman Suprajarama