ADMIN: To Ramdas Rao Ji

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Dear Ramdas Rao Ji,

 

I must request you to take this offline with Narasimha! As posted

earlier, enough has been specualated on this and there is no need to

take it further, publicly on the list.

 

Thanks for your Co-operation

Warm Regards

Narayan

 

 

vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao> wrote:

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> Dear Chi.Narasimha,

> Before replying like this, you would have checked his chart

thorougly whether Raghu is really a cheat or not.You are spoiling

one's Jyotish career like this.I have already explained to Sanjay Ji

why these kind of problems are happening with Raghu and he accepted

my explanation.The reason why I am writing this mail is that you

clearly indicated my Shishya Raghu as cheat.If somebody says he is

cheat by giving their own explanation,how you came to the conclusion

that he is cheat ? Why you have not written him seperately asking

his explanation regarding this,then discuss with other seniour

Gurus,Sanjay Ji etc.,you would have decided what really is the

story.Really I felt very sad about your mail.

> For your information, I have received a lot of mails stating about

Raghu's predictive abilities after this event or defaming incident

about my Shishya.For an Astrologer,he must not be jealous of another

Astrologer's correct predictions but I see here in this list

opposite to that.I strongly feel some people want to defame Raghu as

he is coming up very fast in this line.Prashna Margam clearly tells

about the qualifications of an Astrologer from the beginning when I

joined this list and I follow them strictly.I am not interested in

taking any money from this Divine Science and by the Grace of God,I

am in a good position presently.Even when I retire from my present

job,I may take as Dakshina only and not ask the querent the specific

charges whatsoever.If you or Sanjay Ji is not interested in me,1st I

am going to quit from this list.Anyhow I am not in a hurry and will

wait from all the senior Gurus who are in this list and SJC.As this

silly matter has come to this public forum,I can not

> keep quiet and it has become my prestige question.

> Please let me know clearly your explanations regarding this

matter.Take your own time to decide who is right and who is wrong.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> pvr108 <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Dear friends,

>

> The topic of Raghunatha Rao Nemani cheating on puzzles keeps

coming

> up again and again and a couple of members asked the moderator to

go

> to the bottom of this and say the last word.

>

> I am the list founder and admin. I did talk about this earlier,

but

> did not say things unequivocally and did not mention names. After

> that, I did talk to some more members who had the same experience

> with Mr Nemani. Now I have a fuller picture and am comfortable

> enough to mention names and use a stronger tone.

>

> I have nothing personal against anybody. But, as the admin of the

> list, I will state what I found. I just hope to put this episode

to

> rest, not by suppressing truth but by acknowledging it.

>

> There is absolutely no doubt in my mind after talking to several

> people involved in this that Mr Nemani did intentionally cheat,

not

> once but several times.

>

> It is also troublesome to me that he was not straight-forward in

his

> apology. He said (para-phrased), "if being hasty to share my

> findings with fellow students is wrong, I accept my mistake". He

> tried to put a positive spin and, the way I look at it, tried to

> project it as a minor indiscretion rather than deliberate

cheating.

> After going through various facts, I am thoroughly convinced that

it

> was a case of intentional cheating spree and nothing less.

>

> It is troublesome to me that he would use somebody who was going

> through the worst six months of life. He asked an emotionally

> vulnerable person to post a puzzle based on an event that both

knew,

> specifically told him not to reveal their discussion to anyone,

> posted a perfect solution to the puzzle and the other person

engaged

> in sycophancy by acknowledging that the answer was correct.

>

> It is troublesome to me that he would send a mail to tens of

> astrology related lists when replying in a humble tone to mails

that

> acknowledged his correct answer, even in manipulated cases. That

> cannot be anything other than deriving maximum mileage from a

> cheating.

>

> This conduct from a respected student of an SJC guru that I

respect

> immensely has shocked and dismayed me to no end. For all you know,

> his intention may not be to make name for himself or get more

> clients for consultation. It may be to further the respect for the

> knowledge of rishis as interpreted by SJC gurus. But that does not

> change things for me and it is still abhorrable. We don't need to

> cheat in order to advance our understanding. Our understanding may

> be imperfect and we will be better off trying to perfect it than

to

> cheat and convince people.

>

> The loudness, persistence and fieriness of some of Nemani's

critics

> may make some members think that they are wrong and make them have

> sympathy for Mr Nemani. But I have no sympathy for Mr Nemani in

this

> issue. I can understand the dismay of his critics, given that my

> previous administrative mail on this did not call a spade a spade

> and no names were mentioned and given that Neamni's half-apology

hid

> more than it "confessed", put a positive spin on things and

allowed

> some members to later project this as a "grey" area. This is

> certainly not a grey area and it is quite clear that Nemani

cheated

> intentionally.

>

> I have nothing against him personally. I still look forward to

> meeting him at the Boston workshop, where he will be teaching

> Kashyapa Hora. I am heartened by the fact that he is still running

> Rahu dasa and the dasa of Jupiter in Maheswaramsa is yet to begin.

> While I am unequivocal in condemning his cheating, I will not hold

> it against him in future. I do hope that he realizes the gravity

and

> seriousness of what he did, that he feels genuinely sorry for it

and

> that he changes.

>

> Like I said earlier, I do know of cases where he gave excellent

> predictions to people I know. He needs to realize that he need not

> cheat and manipulate people's views on various schools. Astrology

is

> a spiritual subject and honesty, straight-forwardness and purity

of

> thought are needed. Nothing obtained through deception can last

for

> ever. I do hope that he comes out of this in flying colors under

the

> able and saattwik guidance of Sri Ramadas Rao.

>

> Now, whatever needs to be said has been said in this matter.

PLEASE

> BURY THIS EPISODE. If any supporters or detractors of Rao Nemani

try

> to re-open this issue, I request Narayan Iyer to REMOVE THEM FROM

> THE LIST. Narayan, please be strict. NO MORE DISCUSSION ON

NEMANI's

> CHEATING ON PUZZLES PLEASE! Please get back to astrology.

>

> Yes, I will continue to be away from the list as I focus on the TP

> book.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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Dear Narayan Ji,

When my Shishya is being strongly humiliated in this public forum even by

Chi.Narasimha without asking the explanation from Raghu, as a Jyotish Guru to

Raghu, have to defend him and wrote to Chi,Narasimha about where is his

mistake.Otherwise I dont want to interfere in such matters.He also wrote to

this list as a reply that if I take this issue again, I may be removed from

this list by you.So by doing so I am not losing anything. Still if you want to

remove me, inform me in advance and I myself will withdraw my memeberships from

all SJC Forums.

GOD is with me and I do my job to help the needy people and the rest is decided by HIM.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.naaraayana_iyer <jaimini.upadesa > wrote:

Dear Ramdas Rao Ji,I must request you to take this offline with Narasimha! As

posted earlier, enough has been specualated on this and there is no need to

take it further, publicly on the list.Thanks for your Co-operationWarm

RegardsNarayanvedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao> wrote:> > ` ïI ra"veNÔ gué_yae nm> > > om çré

räghavendra gurubhyo namaù > > ` nmae naray[ay,> > om namo

näräyaëäya|> Dear Chi.Narasimha,> Before replying like this, you would have

checked his chart thorougly whether Raghu is really a cheat or not.You are

spoiling one's Jyotish career like this.I have already

explained to Sanjay Ji why these kind of problems are happening with Raghu and

he accepted my explanation.The reason why I am writing this mail is that you

clearly indicated my Shishya Raghu as cheat.If somebody says he is cheat by

giving their own explanation,how you came to the conclusion that he is cheat ?

Why you have not written him seperately asking his explanation regarding

this,then discuss with other seniour Gurus,Sanjay Ji etc.,you would have

decided what really is the story.Really I felt very sad about your mail.> For

your information, I have received a lot of mails stating about Raghu's

predictive abilities after this event or defaming incident about my Shishya.For

an Astrologer,he must not be jealous of another Astrologer's correct predictions

but I see here in this list opposite to that.I strongly feel some people want to

defame Raghu as he is coming up very fast in this line.Prashna Margam clearly

tells

about the qualifications of an Astrologer from the beginning when I joined this

list and I follow them strictly.I am not interested in taking any money from

this Divine Science and by the Grace of God,I am in a good position

presently.Even when I retire from my present job,I may take as Dakshina only

and not ask the querent the specific charges whatsoever.If you or Sanjay Ji is

not interested in me,1st I am going to quit from this list.Anyhow I am not in a

hurry and will wait from all the senior Gurus who are in this list and SJC.As

this silly matter has come to this public forum,I can not> keep quiet and it

has become my prestige question.> Please let me know clearly your explanations

regarding this matter.Take your own time to decide who is right and who is

wrong.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > pvr108 <pvr@c...>

wrote:> Dear friends,> > The

topic of Raghunatha Rao Nemani cheating on puzzles keeps coming > up again and

again and a couple of members asked the moderator to go > to the bottom of this

and say the last word.> > I am the list founder and admin. I did talk about this

earlier, but > did not say things unequivocally and did not mention names. After

> that, I did talk to some more members who had the same experience > with Mr

Nemani. Now I have a fuller picture and am comfortable > enough to mention

names and use a stronger tone.> > I have nothing personal against anybody. But,

as the admin of the > list, I will state what I found. I just hope to put this

episode to > rest, not by suppressing truth but by acknowledging it.> > There

is absolutely no doubt in my mind after talking to several > people involved in

this that Mr Nemani did intentionally cheat, not > once but several

times.> > It is also troublesome to me that he was not straight-forward in his >

apology. He said (para-phrased), "if being hasty to share my > findings with

fellow students is wrong, I accept my mistake". He > tried to put a positive

spin and, the way I look at it, tried to > project it as a minor indiscretion

rather than deliberate cheating. > After going through various facts, I am

thoroughly convinced that it > was a case of intentional cheating spree and

nothing less.> > It is troublesome to me that he would use somebody who was

going > through the worst six months of life. He asked an emotionally >

vulnerable person to post a puzzle based on an event that both knew, >

specifically told him not to reveal their discussion to anyone, > posted a

perfect solution to the puzzle and the other person engaged > in sycophancy by

acknowledging that the answer was

correct.> > It is troublesome to me that he would send a mail to tens of >

astrology related lists when replying in a humble tone to mails that >

acknowledged his correct answer, even in manipulated cases. That > cannot be

anything other than deriving maximum mileage from a > cheating.> > This conduct

from a respected student of an SJC guru that I respect > immensely has shocked

and dismayed me to no end. For all you know, > his intention may not be to make

name for himself or get more > clients for consultation. It may be to further

the respect for the > knowledge of rishis as interpreted by SJC gurus. But that

does not > change things for me and it is still abhorrable. We don't need to >

cheat in order to advance our understanding. Our understanding may > be

imperfect and we will be better off trying to perfect it than to > cheat and

convince people.>

> The loudness, persistence and fieriness of some of Nemani's critics > may make

some members think that they are wrong and make them have > sympathy for Mr

Nemani. But I have no sympathy for Mr Nemani in this > issue. I can understand

the dismay of his critics, given that my > previous administrative mail on this

did not call a spade a spade > and no names were mentioned and given that

Neamni's half-apology hid > more than it "confessed", put a positive spin on

things and allowed > some members to later project this as a "grey" area. This

is > certainly not a grey area and it is quite clear that Nemani cheated >

intentionally.> > I have nothing against him personally. I still look forward

to > meeting him at the Boston workshop, where he will be teaching > Kashyapa

Hora. I am heartened by the fact that he is still running > Rahu dasa and the

dasa of Jupiter

in Maheswaramsa is yet to begin. > While I am unequivocal in condemning his

cheating, I will not hold > it against him in future. I do hope that he

realizes the gravity and > seriousness of what he did, that he feels genuinely

sorry for it and > that he changes.> > Like I said earlier, I do know of cases

where he gave excellent > predictions to people I know. He needs to realize

that he need not > cheat and manipulate people's views on various schools.

Astrology is > a spiritual subject and honesty, straight-forwardness and purity

of > thought are needed. Nothing obtained through deception can last for > ever.

I do hope that he comes out of this in flying colors under the > able and

saattwik guidance of Sri Ramadas Rao.> > Now, whatever needs to be said has

been said in this matter. PLEASE > BURY THIS EPISODE. If any supporters or

detractors of Rao

Nemani try > to re-open this issue, I request Narayan Iyer to REMOVE THEM FROM >

THE LIST. Narayan, please be strict. NO MORE DISCUSSION ON NEMANI's > CHEATING

ON PUZZLES PLEASE! Please get back to astrology.> > Yes, I will continue to be

away from the list as I focus on the TP > book.> > May Jupiter's light shine on

us,> Narasimha> List founder & admin>

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