Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 My question was not whether Argala works if AK is involved. I am aware that planets in 2,4 & 11 cause argala and planets in 12,10 & 3 cause virodha argala. The question here is if AK is involved in either as anb influending planet on a said bhava, will it's effects prevail over that of others, eg if AK was in 2 and some other planet or planets were in 12. The standard rule assumes that the greater number of planets in a said bhava will determine whether argala or counter argala dominates. My question is this, would this be in any way modified if AK is involved, since Parasara says it is the king of the horoscope.Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: Dear,Argala always work, if AK is involved or not.If equal number of planets is on both sides its create bandhana Yoga where one is bounded, it can pertain to status, lagna or soul.Planets in 2,4,11 cause Argala, planets in 12,10,3 obstructs it.BHPS and JU are the source of knowledge about Argalas.with regardsRafal Gendarz- "asksrikanta" <asksrikanta ><vedic astrology>Monday, August 08, 2005 10:29 AM[vedic astrology] Re: Does Atmakaraka lose out in Argala> Dear friend,>> The details regarding Aragala are not available in other astrological> texts except the few cryptic verses available in the BPHS.>> What I have learnt from my late grandfather Shri Satyananda> Tripathy,Keonjhar, Orissa.> who was though an expert on the astrology - lived a selfless and> honest life- giving consultations to more than thousands of people> without expectation of any return from them- never went after name or> popularity.>> His experienced views on argla I am just producing below:->> (1)Argala means the role or say of a planet on the matter pertaining> to other houses of planets>> (2)Argala and counter argala are not of the same magnitude ( no where> in BPHS it has been said that argala caused by a planet in 10th house> can be completely neutralised by argala caused by another planet in> the 4th house- if they are in same angular distance from the point on> which argala is being calculated- just it is told- they oppose each> other by their nature)>> (3) Argala in 3,6,8,12 houses are negative in nature>> (4) Argala in houses ahead of a house or planet- restrict and> that are behind- support or act in a persuasive way>>> vedic astrology, Ajith <ajithk_1999> wrote:>>>> Om Guruvayae Namah>>>> I have a slight doubt on Argala principles if Atmakaraka(AK) is> involved. Parasara has clearly stated that AK si the king of the> horoscope and that other planets cannot go against it. That being the> case if AK is involved in argala or virodha argala, does it always> prevail, assuming an equal number of planets say in 2 and 12 from the> said bhava ?>>>>>>>> >> Meet your soulmate!>> Asia presents Meetic - where millions of singles gather>>>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||> Links>>>>>>>> New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Good question. I will ask my Guruji when He will come back. In Narayana Dasa AK doesnt have this strength. But in Arudhas matters AK strength prevails. That I was taught. With Argala I think more planets dominate no matter where is AK. - Ajith vedic astrology Monday, August 08, 2005 3:42 PM [vedic astrology] effect of AK on Argala Dear Rafal and everyone else, My question was not whether Argala works if AK is involved. I am aware that planets in 2,4 & 11 cause argala and planets in 12,10 & 3 cause virodha argala. The question here is if AK is involved in either as anb influending planet on a said bhava, will it's effects prevail over that of others, eg if AK was in 2 and some other planet or planets were in 12. The standard rule assumes that the greater number of planets in a said bhava will determine whether argala or counter argala dominates. My question is this, would this be in any way modified if AK is involved, since Parasara says it is the king of the horoscope.Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: Dear,Argala always work, if AK is involved or not.If equal number of planets is on both sides its create bandhana Yoga where one is bounded, it can pertain to status, lagna or soul.Planets in 2,4,11 cause Argala, planets in 12,10,3 obstructs it.BHPS and JU are the source of knowledge about Argalas.with regardsRafal Gendarz- "asksrikanta" <asksrikanta ><vedic astrology>Monday, August 08, 2005 10:29 AM[vedic astrology] Re: Does Atmakaraka lose out in Argala> Dear friend,>> The details regarding Aragala are not available in other astrological> texts except the few cryptic verses available in the BPHS.>> What I have learnt from my late grandfather Shri Satyananda> Tripathy,Keonjhar, Orissa.> who was though an expert on the astrology - lived a selfless and> honest life- giving consultations to more than thousands of people> without expectation of any return from them- never went after name or> popularity.>> His experienced views on argla I am just producing below:->> (1)Argala means the role or say of a planet on the matter pertaining> to other houses of planets>> (2)Argala and counter argala are not of the same magnitude ( no where> in BPHS it has been said that argala caused by a planet in 10th house> can be completely neutralised by argala caused by another planet in> the 4th house- if they are in same angular distance from the point on> which argala is being calculated- just it is told- they oppose each> other by their nature)>> (3) Argala in 3,6,8,12 houses are negative in nature>> (4) Argala in houses ahead of a house or planet- restrict and> that are behind- support or act in a persuasive way>>> vedic astrology, Ajith <ajithk_1999> wrote:>>>> Om Guruvayae Namah>>>> I have a slight doubt on Argala principles if Atmakaraka(AK) is> involved. Parasara has clearly stated that AK si the king of the> horoscope and that other planets cannot go against it. That being the> case if AK is involved in argala or virodha argala, does it always> prevail, assuming an equal number of planets say in 2 and 12 from the> said bhava ?>>>>>>>> >> Meet your soulmate!>> Asia presents Meetic - where millions of singles gather>>>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||> Links>>>>>>>> New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Rafal, Ajith AK is the planet that assumes the role of Sun (natural signifactor for aatma) in this Janma. hence it will play an important role as to what your aatma desires in this life. The main function of the AK is to purify a person from the sins that has been commited ans atone hime towards moksha. That is the reason 12th from AK in D9 indicates the Ishta devatha praying whom one will progress towards moksha. as far as your question regarding argala by AK. It will definitely good for pursuits of spirituality but not for materialistic gains. for example 9th shows one the dharma to be followed and benific argala of AK will be good as against viruddh argala. As you have asked, consider lagna. 2nd house from it will have a shuba argala and it becomes the house of sustainence for lagna. AK in 2nd house from Lagna is good for sustainance in a dharmic way. ie you will acquire wealth to sustain yourself in a dharmic way. If Ak is in 12th, it will drain your wealth as it as viruddh argala. I hope this helps. Lakshman --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > Good question. I will ask my Guruji when He will > come back. > In Narayana Dasa AK doesnt have this strength. But > in Arudhas matters AK strength prevails. That I was > taught. With Argala I think more planets dominate no > matter where is AK. > - > Ajith > vedic astrology > Monday, August 08, 2005 3:42 PM > [vedic astrology] effect of AK on Argala > > > Dear Rafal and everyone else, > > My question was not whether Argala works if AK is > involved. I am aware that planets in 2,4 & 11 cause > argala and planets in 12,10 & 3 cause virodha > argala. The question here is if AK is involved in > either as anb influending planet on a said bhava, > will it's effects prevail over that of others, eg if > AK was in 2 and some other planet or planets were in > 12. The standard rule assumes that the greater > number of planets in a said bhava will determine > whether argala or counter argala dominates. > My question is this, would this be in any way > modified if AK is involved, since Parasara says it > is the king of the horoscope. > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > Dear, > > Argala always work, if AK is involved or not. > > If equal number of planets is on both sides its > create bandhana Yoga where > one is bounded, it can pertain to status, lagna > or soul. > > Planets in 2,4,11 cause Argala, planets in > 12,10,3 obstructs it. > > BHPS and JU are the source of knowledge about > Argalas. > > with regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > "asksrikanta" <asksrikanta > <vedic astrology> > Monday, August 08, 2005 10:29 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Does Atmakaraka > lose out in Argala > > > > Dear friend, > > > > The details regarding Aragala are not > available in other astrological > > texts except the few cryptic verses available > in the BPHS. > > > > What I have learnt from my late grandfather > Shri Satyananda > > Tripathy,Keonjhar, Orissa. > > who was though an expert on the astrology - > lived a selfless and > > honest life- giving consultations to more than > thousands of people > > without expectation of any return from them- > never went after name or > > popularity. > > > > His experienced views on argla I am just > producing below:- > > > > (1)Argala means the role or say of a planet on > the matter pertaining > > to other houses of planets > > > > (2)Argala and counter argala are not of the > same magnitude ( no where > > in BPHS it has been said that argala caused by > a planet in 10th house > > can be completely neutralised by argala caused > by another planet in > > the 4th house- if they are in same angular > distance from the point on > > which argala is being calculated- just it is > told- they oppose each > > other by their nature) > > > > (3) Argala in 3,6,8,12 houses are negative in > nature > > > > (4) Argala in houses ahead of a house or > planet- restrict and > > that are behind- support or act in a > persuasive way > > > > > > vedic astrology, Ajith > <ajithk_1999> wrote: > >> > >> Om Guruvayae Namah > >> > >> I have a slight doubt on Argala principles if > Atmakaraka(AK) is > > involved. Parasara has clearly stated that AK > si the king of the > > horoscope and that other planets cannot go > against it. That being the > > case if AK is involved in argala or virodha > argala, does it always > > prevail, assuming an equal number of planets > say in 2 and 12 from the > > said bhava ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Meet your soulmate! > >> Asia presents Meetic - where millions > of singles gather > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us > ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Lakshman, Question is however if AK has that strength that it overcomes more planets in other side to win the strength, it is case of rules of strength in argala's matters. with regards Rafal Gendarz - "Lakshman Brahma" <lbrahma <vedic astrology> Monday, August 08, 2005 5:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] effect of AK on Argala > Dear Rafal, Ajith > AK is the planet that assumes the role of Sun (natural > signifactor for aatma) in this Janma. hence it will > play an important role as to what your aatma desires > in this life. The main function of the AK is to purify > a person from the sins that has been commited ans > atone hime towards moksha. That is the reason 12th > from AK in D9 indicates the Ishta devatha praying whom > one will progress towards moksha. > as far as your question regarding argala by AK. It > will definitely good for pursuits of spirituality but > not for materialistic gains. for example 9th shows one > the dharma to be followed and benific argala of AK > will be good as against viruddh argala. > As you have asked, consider lagna. 2nd house from it > will have a shuba argala and it becomes the house of > sustainence for lagna. AK in 2nd house from Lagna is > good for sustainance in a dharmic way. ie you will > acquire wealth to sustain yourself in a dharmic way. > If Ak is in 12th, it will drain your wealth as it as > viruddh argala. > > I hope this helps. > Lakshman > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > >> Good question. I will ask my Guruji when He will >> come back. >> In Narayana Dasa AK doesnt have this strength. But >> in Arudhas matters AK strength prevails. That I was >> taught. With Argala I think more planets dominate no >> matter where is AK. >> - >> Ajith >> vedic astrology >> Monday, August 08, 2005 3:42 PM >> [vedic astrology] effect of AK on Argala >> >> >> Dear Rafal and everyone else, >> >> My question was not whether Argala works if AK is >> involved. I am aware that planets in 2,4 & 11 cause >> argala and planets in 12,10 & 3 cause virodha >> argala. The question here is if AK is involved in >> either as anb influending planet on a said bhava, >> will it's effects prevail over that of others, eg if >> AK was in 2 and some other planet or planets were in >> 12. The standard rule assumes that the greater >> number of planets in a said bhava will determine >> whether argala or counter argala dominates. >> My question is this, would this be in any way >> modified if AK is involved, since Parasara says it >> is the king of the horoscope. >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: >> Dear, >> >> Argala always work, if AK is involved or not. >> >> If equal number of planets is on both sides its >> create bandhana Yoga where >> one is bounded, it can pertain to status, lagna >> or soul. >> >> Planets in 2,4,11 cause Argala, planets in >> 12,10,3 obstructs it. >> >> BHPS and JU are the source of knowledge about >> Argalas. >> >> with regards >> Rafal Gendarz >> >> >> - >> "asksrikanta" <asksrikanta >> <vedic astrology> >> Monday, August 08, 2005 10:29 AM >> [vedic astrology] Re: Does Atmakaraka >> lose out in Argala >> >> >> > Dear friend, >> > >> > The details regarding Aragala are not >> available in other astrological >> > texts except the few cryptic verses available >> in the BPHS. >> > >> > What I have learnt from my late grandfather >> Shri Satyananda >> > Tripathy,Keonjhar, Orissa. >> > who was though an expert on the astrology - >> lived a selfless and >> > honest life- giving consultations to more than >> thousands of people >> > without expectation of any return from them- >> never went after name or >> > popularity. >> > >> > His experienced views on argla I am just >> producing below:- >> > >> > (1)Argala means the role or say of a planet on >> the matter pertaining >> > to other houses of planets >> > >> > (2)Argala and counter argala are not of the >> same magnitude ( no where >> > in BPHS it has been said that argala caused by >> a planet in 10th house >> > can be completely neutralised by argala caused >> by another planet in >> > the 4th house- if they are in same angular >> distance from the point on >> > which argala is being calculated- just it is >> told- they oppose each >> > other by their nature) >> > >> > (3) Argala in 3,6,8,12 houses are negative in >> nature >> > >> > (4) Argala in houses ahead of a house or >> planet- restrict and >> > that are behind- support or act in a >> persuasive way >> > >> > >> > vedic astrology, Ajith >> <ajithk_1999> wrote: >> >> >> >> Om Guruvayae Namah >> >> >> >> I have a slight doubt on Argala principles if >> Atmakaraka(AK) is >> > involved. Parasara has clearly stated that AK >> si the king of the >> > horoscope and that other planets cannot go >> against it. That being the >> > case if AK is involved in argala or virodha >> argala, does it always >> > prevail, assuming an equal number of planets >> say in 2 and 12 from the >> > said bhava ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Meet your soulmate! >> >> Asia presents Meetic - where millions >> of singles gather >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Archives: >> vedic astrology >> > >> > Group info: >> > vedic astrology/info.html >> > >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to >> vedic astrology- >> > >> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us >> ....... >> > >> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri >> Krishnaarpanamastu || >> > Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! >> >> Archives: >> vedic astrology >> >> Group info: >> > vedic astrology/info.html >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to >> vedic astrology- >> >> ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear Rafal It is not a question of winning or losing. It is what your atma desires v/s what you do?. First AK is the King. secondly what your atma desires is some thing but what you want to do is different. You are controled by what your mind perceives and tells you to do. To have this control on your mind and do what your atma desires is achieved by praying the Ishta represented in the 12th from AK in D9. Lagna represents the physical body where as Mo represents the Mind. There are both positive and negative qualities for each planet when they become AK. Example: If Ma is AK, then the native tend to be aggressive, dynamic which are positive but are succeptible to anger/short temper which is a -ve quality. the remedy is they should try to over come their anger and short temper. now if Ma has a shubh argala on Mo, then it will make one think very aggressively and act dynamically. But it will also make hime an angry young person.. Now if there is a viruddh argala from say more number of planets then their influence will prevail in the final outcome but it will definitely make the person angry and he will be un willingly make the decisions. Lakshman --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > Dear Lakshman, > > Question is however if AK has that strength that it > overcomes more planets > in other side to win the strength, it is case of > rules of strength in > argala's matters. > > with regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "Lakshman Brahma" <lbrahma > <vedic astrology> > Monday, August 08, 2005 5:07 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] effect of AK on > Argala > > > > Dear Rafal, Ajith > > AK is the planet that assumes the role of Sun > (natural > > signifactor for aatma) in this Janma. hence it > will > > play an important role as to what your aatma > desires > > in this life. The main function of the AK is to > purify > > a person from the sins that has been commited ans > > atone hime towards moksha. That is the reason 12th > > from AK in D9 indicates the Ishta devatha praying > whom > > one will progress towards moksha. > > as far as your question regarding argala by AK. It > > will definitely good for pursuits of spirituality > but > > not for materialistic gains. for example 9th shows > one > > the dharma to be followed and benific argala of AK > > will be good as against viruddh argala. > > As you have asked, consider lagna. 2nd house from > it > > will have a shuba argala and it becomes the house > of > > sustainence for lagna. AK in 2nd house from Lagna > is > > good for sustainance in a dharmic way. ie you will > > acquire wealth to sustain yourself in a dharmic > way. > > If Ak is in 12th, it will drain your wealth as it > as > > viruddh argala. > > > > I hope this helps. > > Lakshman > > > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > > >> Good question. I will ask my Guruji when He will > >> come back. > >> In Narayana Dasa AK doesnt have this strength. > But > >> in Arudhas matters AK strength prevails. That I > was > >> taught. With Argala I think more planets dominate > no > >> matter where is AK. > >> - > >> Ajith > >> vedic astrology > >> Monday, August 08, 2005 3:42 PM > >> [vedic astrology] effect of AK on > Argala > >> > >> > >> Dear Rafal and everyone else, > >> > >> My question was not whether Argala works if AK > is > >> involved. I am aware that planets in 2,4 & 11 > cause > >> argala and planets in 12,10 & 3 cause virodha > >> argala. The question here is if AK is involved in > >> either as anb influending planet on a said bhava, > >> will it's effects prevail over that of others, eg > if > >> AK was in 2 and some other planet or planets were > in > >> 12. The standard rule assumes that the greater > >> number of planets in a said bhava will determine > >> whether argala or counter argala dominates. > >> My question is this, would this be in any way > >> modified if AK is involved, since Parasara says > it > >> is the king of the horoscope. > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > >> Dear, > >> > >> Argala always work, if AK is involved or not. > >> > >> If equal number of planets is on both sides > its > >> create bandhana Yoga where > >> one is bounded, it can pertain to status, > lagna > >> or soul. > >> > >> Planets in 2,4,11 cause Argala, planets in > >> 12,10,3 obstructs it. > >> > >> BHPS and JU are the source of knowledge about > >> Argalas. > >> > >> with regards > >> Rafal Gendarz > >> > >> > >> - > >> "asksrikanta" <asksrikanta > >> <vedic astrology> > >> Monday, August 08, 2005 10:29 AM > >> [vedic astrology] Re: Does > Atmakaraka > >> lose out in Argala > >> > >> > >> > Dear friend, > >> > > >> > The details regarding Aragala are not > >> available in other astrological > >> > texts except the few cryptic verses > available > >> in the BPHS. > >> > > >> > What I have learnt from my late grandfather > >> Shri Satyananda > >> > Tripathy,Keonjhar, Orissa. > >> > who was though an expert on the astrology - > >> lived a selfless and > >> > honest life- giving consultations to more > than > >> thousands of people > >> > without expectation of any return from > them- > >> never went after name or > >> > popularity. > >> > > >> > His experienced views on argla I am just > >> producing below:- > >> > > >> > (1)Argala means the role or say of a planet > on > >> the matter pertaining > >> > to other houses of planets > >> > > >> > (2)Argala and counter argala are not of > the > >> same magnitude ( no where > >> > in BPHS it has been said that argala caused > by > >> a planet in 10th house > >> > can be completely neutralised by argala > caused > >> by another planet in > >> > the 4th house- if they are in same angular > >> distance from the point on > >> > which argala is being calculated- just it > is > >> told- they oppose each > >> > other by their nature) > >> > > >> > (3) Argala in 3,6,8,12 houses are negative > in > >> nature > >> > > >> > (4) Argala in houses ahead of a house or > >> planet- restrict and > >> > that are behind- support or act in a > >> persuasive way > >> > > >> > > >> > vedic astrology, > Ajith > >> <ajithk_1999> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Om Guruvayae Namah > >> >> > >> >> I have a slight doubt on Argala principles > if > >> Atmakaraka(AK) is > >> > involved. Parasara has clearly stated that > AK > >> si the king of the > >> > horoscope and that other planets cannot go > >> against it. That being the > >> > case if AK is involved in argala or virodha > >> argala, does it always > >> > prevail, assuming an equal number of > planets > >> say in 2 and 12 from the > >> > said bhava ? > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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