ADMIN: Last word on Nemani's puzzle cheating case

August 5, 2005

Dear friends,

The topic of Raghunatha Rao Nemani cheating on puzzles keeps coming

up again and again and a couple of members asked the moderator to go

to the bottom of this and say the last word.

I am the list founder and admin. I did talk about this earlier, but

did not say things unequivocally and did not mention names. After

that, I did talk to some more members who had the same experience

with Mr Nemani. Now I have a fuller picture and am comfortable

enough to mention names and use a stronger tone.

I have nothing personal against anybody. But, as the admin of the

list, I will state what I found. I just hope to put this episode to

rest, not by suppressing truth but by acknowledging it.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind after talking to several

people involved in this that Mr Nemani did intentionally cheat, not

once but several times.

It is also troublesome to me that he was not straight-forward in his

apology. He said (para-phrased), "if being hasty to share my

findings with fellow students is wrong, I accept my mistake". He

tried to put a positive spin and, the way I look at it, tried to

project it as a minor indiscretion rather than deliberate cheating.

After going through various facts, I am thoroughly convinced that it

was a case of intentional cheating spree and nothing less.

It is troublesome to me that he would use somebody who was going

through the worst six months of life. He asked an emotionally

vulnerable person to post a puzzle based on an event that both knew,

specifically told him not to reveal their discussion to anyone,

posted a perfect solution to the puzzle and the other person engaged

in sycophancy by acknowledging that the answer was correct.

It is troublesome to me that he would send a mail to tens of

astrology related lists when replying in a humble tone to mails that

acknowledged his correct answer, even in manipulated cases. That

cannot be anything other than deriving maximum mileage from a

cheating.

This conduct from a respected student of an SJC guru that I respect

immensely has shocked and dismayed me to no end. For all you know,

his intention may not be to make name for himself or get more

clients for consultation. It may be to further the respect for the

knowledge of rishis as interpreted by SJC gurus. But that does not

change things for me and it is still abhorrable. We don't need to

cheat in order to advance our understanding. Our understanding may

be imperfect and we will be better off trying to perfect it than to

cheat and convince people.

The loudness, persistence and fieriness of some of Nemani's critics

may make some members think that they are wrong and make them have

sympathy for Mr Nemani. But I have no sympathy for Mr Nemani in this

issue. I can understand the dismay of his critics, given that my

previous administrative mail on this did not call a spade a spade

and no names were mentioned and given that Neamni's half-apology hid

more than it "confessed", put a positive spin on things and allowed

some members to later project this as a "grey" area. This is

certainly not a grey area and it is quite clear that Nemani cheated

intentionally.

I have nothing against him personally. I still look forward to

meeting him at the Boston workshop, where he will be teaching

Kashyapa Hora. I am heartened by the fact that he is still running

Rahu dasa and the dasa of Jupiter in Maheswaramsa is yet to begin.

While I am unequivocal in condemning his cheating, I will not hold

it against him in future. I do hope that he realizes the gravity and

seriousness of what he did, that he feels genuinely sorry for it and

that he changes.

Like I said earlier, I do know of cases where he gave excellent

predictions to people I know. He needs to realize that he need not

cheat and manipulate people's views on various schools. Astrology is

a spiritual subject and honesty, straight-forwardness and purity of

thought are needed. Nothing obtained through deception can last for

ever. I do hope that he comes out of this in flying colors under the

able and saattwik guidance of Sri Ramadas Rao.

Now, whatever needs to be said has been said in this matter. PLEASE

BURY THIS EPISODE. If any supporters or detractors of Rao Nemani try

to re-open this issue, I request Narayan Iyer to REMOVE THEM FROM

THE LIST. Narayan, please be strict. NO MORE DISCUSSION ON NEMANI's

CHEATING ON PUZZLES PLEASE! Please get back to astrology.

Yes, I will continue to be away from the list as I focus on the TP

book.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

List founder & admin

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August 9, 2005

` ïI ra"veNÔ gué_yae nm>

om çré räghavendra gurubhyo namaù

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Chi.Narasimha,

Before replying like this, you would have checked his chart thorougly whether

Raghu is really a cheat or not.You are spoiling one's Jyotish career like

this.I have already explained to Sanjay Ji why these kind of problems are

happening with Raghu and he accepted my explanation.The reason why I am writing

this mail is that you clearly indicated my Shishya Raghu as cheat.If somebody

says he is cheat by giving their own explanation,how you came to the conclusion

that he is cheat ? Why you have not written him seperately asking his

explanation regarding this,then discuss with other seniour Gurus,Sanjay Ji

etc.,you would have decided what really is the story.Really I felt very sad

about your mail.

For your information, I have received a lot of mails stating about Raghu's

predictive abilities after this event or defaming incident about my Shishya.For

an Astrologer,he must not be jealous of another Astrologer's correct predictions

but I see here in this list opposite to that.I strongly feel some people want to

defame Raghu as he is coming up very fast in this line.Prashna Margam clearly

tells about the qualifications of an Astrologer from the beginning when I

joined this list and I follow them strictly.I am not interested in taking any

money from this Divine Science and by the Grace of God,I am in a good position

presently.Even when I retire from my present job,I may take as Dakshina only

and not ask the querent the specific charges whatsoever.If you or Sanjay Ji is

not interested in me,1st I am going to quit from this list.Anyhow I am not in a

hurry and will wait from all the senior Gurus who are in this list and SJC.As

this silly matter has come to this

public forum,I can not keep quiet and it has become my prestige question.

Please let me know clearly your explanations regarding this matter.Take your own

time to decide who is right and who is wrong.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.pvr108 <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear friends,The topic of Raghunatha Rao Nemani cheating on puzzles keeps coming

up again and again and a couple of members asked the moderator to go to the

bottom of this and say the last word.I am the list founder and admin. I did

talk about this earlier, but did not say things unequivocally and did not

mention names. After that, I did talk to some more members who had the same

experience with Mr Nemani. Now I have a fuller picture and am comfortable

enough to mention names and use a stronger tone.I have nothing personal against

anybody. But, as the admin of the list, I will state what I found. I just hope

to put this episode to rest, not by suppressing truth but by acknowledging

it.There is absolutely no doubt in my mind after talking to several people

involved in this that Mr Nemani did intentionally cheat,

not once but several times.It is also troublesome to me that he was not

straight-forward in his apology. He said (para-phrased), "if being hasty to

share my findings with fellow students is wrong, I accept my mistake". He tried

to put a positive spin and, the way I look at it, tried to project it as a minor

indiscretion rather than deliberate cheating. After going through various facts,

I am thoroughly convinced that it was a case of intentional cheating spree and

nothing less.It is troublesome to me that he would use somebody who was going

through the worst six months of life. He asked an emotionally vulnerable person

to post a puzzle based on an event that both knew, specifically told him not to

reveal their discussion to anyone, posted a perfect solution to the puzzle and

the other person engaged in sycophancy by acknowledging that the answer was

correct.It is troublesome to me that he would send a mail to

tens of astrology related lists when replying in a humble tone to mails that

acknowledged his correct answer, even in manipulated cases. That cannot be

anything other than deriving maximum mileage from a cheating.This conduct from

a respected student of an SJC guru that I respect immensely has shocked and

dismayed me to no end. For all you know, his intention may not be to make name

for himself or get more clients for consultation. It may be to further the

respect for the knowledge of rishis as interpreted by SJC gurus. But that does

not change things for me and it is still abhorrable. We don't need to cheat in

order to advance our understanding. Our understanding may be imperfect and we

will be better off trying to perfect it than to cheat and convince people.The

loudness, persistence and fieriness of some of Nemani's critics may make some

members think that they are wrong and make them have sympathy for Mr

Nemani. But I have no sympathy for Mr Nemani in this issue. I can understand the

dismay of his critics, given that my previous administrative mail on this did

not call a spade a spade and no names were mentioned and given that Neamni's

half-apology hid more than it "confessed", put a positive spin on things and

allowed some members to later project this as a "grey" area. This is certainly

not a grey area and it is quite clear that Nemani cheated intentionally.I have

nothing against him personally. I still look forward to meeting him at the

Boston workshop, where he will be teaching Kashyapa Hora. I am heartened by the

fact that he is still running Rahu dasa and the dasa of Jupiter in Maheswaramsa

is yet to begin. While I am unequivocal in condemning his cheating, I will not

hold it against him in future. I do hope that he realizes the gravity and

seriousness of what he did, that he feels genuinely sorry for it and that

he changes.Like I said earlier, I do know of cases where he gave excellent

predictions to people I know. He needs to realize that he need not cheat and

manipulate people's views on various schools. Astrology is a spiritual subject

and honesty, straight-forwardness and purity of thought are needed. Nothing

obtained through deception can last for ever. I do hope that he comes out of

this in flying colors under the able and saattwik guidance of Sri Ramadas

Rao.Now, whatever needs to be said has been said in this matter. PLEASE BURY

THIS EPISODE. If any supporters or detractors of Rao Nemani try to re-open this

issue, I request Narayan Iyer to REMOVE THEM FROM THE LIST. Narayan, please be

strict. NO MORE DISCUSSION ON NEMANI's CHEATING ON PUZZLES PLEASE! Please get

back to astrology.Yes, I will continue to be away from the list as I focus on

the TP book.May Jupiter's light shine on us,NarasimhaList

founder &

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August 9, 2005

|om namo bhagavate vasudevaya|

Dear Ramdasji

Please do not precipitate non issues. Let it be. Your voice has always been

among the sober ones in the lists and you have played a critical part in

guiding people with a strong 'akasa tatva' motive of keeping people together as

you realise the higher objective of the need for astrologers to be together so

that they can share and help each other during this Kali yuga where everything

is so easily destroyed - relationships, knowledge, respect and everything fails

as the smaller goals and lack of patience leads to this.

Dear List Members

Today I ask each one of you who is in this lists. How does it really matter if

you are able to prove or disprove something, and that too related to one

incident about someone. Are you trying to tell me that you are holier than him?

If so then please do not try it because it will take Saturn a moment, a

momentary glimpse to make you fall...Let it be

If you think you are strong, then show your strength in lifting someone who has

fallen down. I have almost stopped writing in these lists as they smack of the

evil of Kaliyuga. I too am a part of this yuga but am atleast aware of it. Are

you aware? Please do not do this to each other. This horroble habit of one

upmanship must end here and now. There is no competition, no prizes are being

given away, so why are you fighting or even competing?

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

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Ramadas Rao [ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in] Tuesday, August 09, 2005

11:53 AMvedic astrologyCc: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao; Sanjay

Rath; raon1008 NemaniRe: [vedic astrology] ADMIN: Last word on

Nemani's puzzle cheating case