Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Dear Kid Namste >However, I am sad to take cognisance that a senior astrologer like >chandrasekharji has used vulgar language that is unbecoming of a >person of his stature . Chandrashekharji no more writes on this list and will never be party to such non astrological discussions in this manner. His id is chandrashekhar46. This Chandrashekhar is a different person. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar vedic astrology, kid kid <astrokkid> wrote: > Dear Murughan, > Glad to know that there are some sane voices in the list.The need of the hour is impartial people like you.However, I am sad to take cognisance that a senior astrologer like chandrasekharji has used vulgar language that is unbecoming of a person of his stature .Once again Murughan, thank you for your kind words. > Regards > KID > sakthivel_murughan <sakthivel_murughan> wrote: > As a Tamilian, I don't find anything objectionable or anything that > promotes regionalism/racism in kid's mail.He has presented certain > facts.Even in KP astrology,the terms like "punarphoo dosha" etc are > actually borrowed from "Prasnamarga" The mail of Mr chandrasekhar > exhibits his inflated ego and also reflects his absymally poor > > knowledge of the history of astrology and the great contributions > made by south Indian astrologers especially of kerala and > Tamilnadu.Mr chandrasekhar's mail depicts the extent to which an > astrologer could stoop down Also his wordings echoes arrogance , > perversion and prevarication of facts > S Murughan > vedic astrology, Chandra Sekhar > <chandra_sekhar1970> wrote: > > who is this kid? > > > > Looks truly a kid born to spoil the name of Kerala. If conception > takes place when Budha is in fast motion, the child will be born in > the 8th month and will behave in a haphazard way fast, slow, reverse > and so on. This may be a similar case. > > > > UP and Kasi, Uttarakhand, Orissa/Puri all had great pandits and > Kerala may prove to be a kid if the right history of astrology is > wrote by some scholars like Sanjayji or Narasimhaji. > > > > Chandrasekhar > > > > > > > > Raj Sharma <kngcl> wrote: > > Dear Kid, > > > > It is sad to note the ego and rascism in your note to Mr Iyer. > > > > May lord bless us with true knowledge. > > > > Regards > > > > Raj > > > > > > > > naaraayana_iyer <jaimini.upadesa@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sri Kid, > > > > You have the advantage of me ... you know my name ... I cant say > the > > same thing about you! It would be great to associate/learn with a > > learned astrologer from Kerala. > > > > I seem to have offended you! My apologies! All I stated was that > > your logic is not valid. Just because Kerala has an illustrious > > history/lineage of astrology, and just because someone from Kerala > > argued his point, doesn't make it either convincing or worthy!!! > One > > has to accept/dismiss an argument based on its pure > > merit/reasoning/logic/rationale and not based on the subjects > > background or his demography, which I feel is a gross miscarriage > of > > judgement! > > > > BTW ... I am very well aware of my lineage and the state that I > > belong to, especially wrt to Astrology, Tantra and forms of > > Bhagavathi worship. I am not entirely ignorant about this. In any > > case, thanks for the reminder! > > > > Anyways, I am sure, we would all enjoy/appreciate it, if you could > > come out of anonymity and enlighten us with your knowledge > > > > Thanks > > Warm Regards > > Narayan > > > > > > vedic astrology, kid kid <astrokkid> > > wrote: > > > Dear Iyer, > > > Your comments are quite un-warranted.Had you been aware of your > > own glorious past, perhaps you would not have made such > > statements.All the well- known as well as acknowledged astrological > > scholars are from Kerala, both ancient and modern. That includes > the > > famous Sangamagrama Madhava, who using his theorem of "infinite > > series" , gave mathematical way to find out the circumference of a > > circle for the first time in the world ,centuries before Scotish > > Mathematician James Gregory and the German born philosopher cum > > mathematician Laibnitse arrived at the same.Further, Madhava gave > in > > his monumental treatise"Venuaroham" the method to calculate the > > accurate position of Moon for every 36 minutes.The > > famous "Prasnamarga", considered to be the Bible of horary had its > > genesis in Kerala.Varaha's "Brihatjathaka" popularly known > as "Hora" > > as maximum number of translation in Malayalam Language.The Keralite > > astrologers are well Known for their expertise in "Devaprasna"an > > exclusive horary > > > practised widely in Kerala.Keralite astrologers like Machat > > Illayathu were respected and even honoured by fundamentalist muslim > > invaders like Tippu Sultan.The person(anonymous) who wrote the > > famous "Nauka" is believed to be a keralite.. In Kerala there is a > > caste/community assigned exclusively for horoscope making and > > delineation.The famous Alan Leo of the west came to Kerala to learn > > astrology during the turn of the last centuryThe contemporary > > writers in Jyotish including Chandrahari of Ttue ayanamsha fame, K > > Surendran, the elite contribitor of the Astrological Magazine, V S > > Kalayanaraman IPS(Retd), who use to pen articles in the > astrological > > Magazine in the name Bhaskaradasan, VSK ,Veeyeskay, Utpala , Mihira > > etc are all Keralite astrologers.You should remember that Kerala is > > the only place in the world repeat world, where communist came to > > power through ballot box and not bloody revolution Against the > > backdrop of the strong leftist moorings and psychological and > > cultural > > > warfare by the missionaries and the Islamic fundamentalist > > against hinduism in general and astrology in particular, > > astrologers of kerala never lagged behind either in propogation or > > in the predictive side of Jyotish., though they seldom run to the > > media to tom tom their success in predictions > > > .You may take note that this scribe was the first to write an > open > > letter (mail) to Pradeep vehemently criticizing him ,when he felt > > that the praise the latter showered on a fradulent puzzle > > solver ,engaged in misguiding the gullible members, was quite > > undeserving.At the same time, this scribe was the first to openly > > acknowledge the unparalled genrosity of Narasimha, hitherto unknown > > in the history of modern astrology, and his commitment to the study > > of this divine science, in making available the free down load of > > astro-software.Do remember, this scribe is Narasimha's TRUE FRIEND > > and definitely not a sycophant who misguides him. > > > As for Pradeep, he argued his case brilliantly and convincingly > > and proved that he is a worthy scion of the veteran keralite > > astrologers of yester years. > > > Late C G Rajan and Sri R Santhanam , both outstanding > scholars,are > > the role model of this scribe. Both of them are non--Keralites. > Late > > Sri R Santhanam was basically an Andhrite and was responsible for > > bringing me to astrology.This writer is not stupid to say that > > jyotish is the privilege of Keralites.The point is for a keralite > > astrologer (not all, most of them) scholarship in astrology is > > inherent , inborn and instinctive and sciolism is seldom noticed > in > > them ; whereas, for the most of others ,it needs to be acquired.As > > far as I am concerned, my primary commitment is towards Jyotish and > > nothing else > > > KID > > > naaraayana_iyer <jaimini.upadesa@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Kid & Pradeep, > > > > > > .... Just because someone is a Keralite, doesn't make him a > > > scholar. It is just plain invalid logic! I am a Keralite myself > > and > > > proud of it ... but that doesnt prove anything ... states Andhra > > > Pradesh and Orissa have a great history of parampara of Astrology > > > too! > > > > > > Just my 2cents. > > > > > > On another note: Yesterday we celebrated Guru Poornima at my > > Guru's > > > house Narasimha's house, first by expressing our affection in the > > > form of a compilation (transcripts of 45 lessons done till date) > > in > > > a book format with CD, and then participating in the Satya > > Narayana > > > Vratam. > > > > > > Thank You Narasimha & Sanjayji! > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > Narayan > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > Dear shri Kid > > > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words. > > > > It is a privilige and blessing to have a lineage of learned > > > scholars > > > > showing path. > > > > Kind regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, kid kid > <astrokkid> > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > Now I Know for sure that you are a keralite. No wonder you > > > display > > > > deep erudition and scholarship in the ongoing debate.From > > > Vararuchi- > > > > via-- Sangamagrama Madhava-to Prof A R Rajaraja Verma to Dr KV > > > Sharma > > > > to Dr N E Muthuswami, the state of kerala had produced a > > lineage > > > of > > > > outstanding scholars in astrology.Initially, I mistook your > > > > intentions; and I am sorry for that.Now, I presume, you are a > > > person > > > > encaged in dispassionate study.Keep it up > > > > > Regards > > > > > KID > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > Dear shri Kid > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to K.C.Keshavapillai author of Jyothisha > > > > > Gurubhoothan.Kerala. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, kid kid > > <astrokkid> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Pradeep, > > > > > > "Keshava pillai has clearly said - Vargas are thinking > about > > > > > > divisions of lagna and planets.The examples i have quoted > > > from > > > > > > parashara too reveals the same." > > > > > > KID--Which Kesavapillai are you referring ? > > > > > > Please reply > > > > > > KID > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > > > > > Dear respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > sutabhAvanavAMshAchcha sthirasantatikArakAt.h | > > > > > > evaM trishAMshakuNDalyAmapi yogaM vichintayet.h || 30|| > > > > > > > > > > > > All of us know the importance of panchama bahava in > > > > > > rajayoga,Mahrajayoga etc.Sthira Santhatikaraka is > > Jupiter.Thus > > > 5th > > > > > > lord and Jupiter and their amshas are ofcourse important.We > > > all > > > > > know > > > > > > where to see the panchama bhava.Sage parashara too has > > > explained > > > > > to > > > > > > us the relevance of 5th bhava and its amshas under yogas > for > > > > > > afluence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suta bhava navamshacha is thus clearly the navamsha of 5th > > > lord - > > > > > > and shri Narasimha too agree - though he uses the word > > > > > > ambiguity.Now sage says similarly, see the above from > > > > > > trishamshakundali.It is nothing but to see the 5th lords > and > > > > > > jupiters position there.Shri Narasimha is intelligently > > > tilting > > > > > the > > > > > > priority. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are numerous such shlokas under jaimini sutras, > > > karakamsha > > > > > > etc,referring to aspects involving amshas.We know the > > > difference > > > > > in > > > > > > opinion amongst scholars regarding where to see these > > from,ie > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > or Navamsha.If one study the works in whole considering the > > > gola > > > > > and > > > > > > ganita part along with the shlokas ,there is no chance for > > > > > > ambiguity.I have always said by chart - we do not mean > > > drawing - > > > > > but > > > > > > analysis with bhavas.The word kundali does not mean we have > > to > > > see > > > > > > bhavas there. > > > > > > Parashara muni has clearly said where to see 12 Bhavas > > (because > > > he > > > > > > uses bhava lords along with their > > > navamsha ,drekkana,shstyamsha > > > > > > etc).We cannot find a single shloka where, bhava is > > mentioned > > > in > > > > > > vargamshas. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank shri narasimhas encouragement,but nothing was > > > haste.Apart > > > > > > from my discretion,( ofcourse within my limitations),i had > > > also > > > > > > listened to scholars like Late Santhanam(who can never be > > > haste > > > > > as > > > > > > he has translated the whole BPHS), Subbu Rao, > > > K.C.KeshavaPillai > > > > > > etc.Keshava pillai has clearly said - Vargas are thinking > > > about > > > > > > divisions of lagna and planets.The examples i have quoted > > > from > > > > > > parashara too reveals the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus this does not stop us from answering the basic > > > question.The > > > > > > lagna shadvargake shloka and Hora.Can we see houses from > > HORA > > > as > > > > > per > > > > > > sage Parashara's definition.Can we see aspect as per the > > much > > > > > > praised shloka.Thus let us ponder together and answer than > > > getting > > > > > > over with intelligent interpretations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Thank you for clarifying the matter. I am no senior astrologer. I have read only few works. Whatever I saw in my view was parochialism.In the history I have studied the great Universities of India have been Nalanda and Taxila of Northern India. Aryabhta was a Bengali and he lived at Kusumpura near Patna – ancient Nalanda. Bhaskara belonged to Maharashtra, Vateesvar in Gujarat, Utpal in Kashmir. Kasyapa also was from Kashmir. Parasara and some 18 great astronomers are mentioned in old astronomical works and no body is from Kerala. Bhrgu lived near Surat in Gujarat, many like Varahamihira were from Ujjayini, famous seat of Indian learning. King Bhoja was from modern Dhar in Madhyapradesh. In the hills of Uttarakhand even today many savants of astrology live and they don’t create any works for going public. Brahmagupta is the most respected name in Indian Mathematics and he too lived in Kashmir like Utpala. GoI published History of Indian Astronomy by Deekshit mentions no Kerala astronomer even though he has dealt with astronomers of all other provinces. If Utpala can be claimed as Keralite then Einstein may also be Keralite. I am a not a senior astrologer as the kid imagines to be and claims no scholarship. If parochialism by remaining anonymous as kid or scud is a honorable job, then a slap for that too is honorable. Thank you again for removing the confusion in name. Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar > wrote: Dear Kid Namste>However, I am sad to take cognisance that a senior astrologer like>chandrasekharji has used vulgar language that is unbecoming of a>person of his stature .Chandrashekharji no more writes on this list and will never be partyto such non astrological discussions in this manner. His id ischandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.in. This Chandrashekhar is a different person.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har Shankar--- In vedic astrology, kid kid <astrokkid> wrote:> Dear Murughan,> Glad to know that there are some sane voices in the list.The needof the hour is impartial people like you.However, I am sad to takecognisance that a senior astrologer like chandrasekharji has usedvulgar language that is unbecoming of a person of his stature .Onceagain Murughan, thank you for your kind words.> Regards> KID> sakthivel_murughan <sakthivel_murughan> wrote:> As a Tamilian, I don't find anything objectionable or anything that > promotes regionalism/racism in kid's mail.He has presented certain > facts.Even in KP astrology,the terms like "punarphoo dosha" etc are > actually borrowed from "Prasnamarga" The mail of Mr chandrasekhar > exhibits his inflated ego and also reflects his absymally poor > > knowledge of the history of astrology and the great contributions > made by south Indian astrologers especially of kerala and > Tamilnadu.Mr chandrasekhar's mail depicts the extent to which an > astrologer could stoop down Also his wordings echoes arrogance , > perversion and prevarication of facts > S Murughan> vedic astrology, Chandra Sekhar > <chandra_sekhar1970> wrote:> > who is this kid? > > > > Looks truly a kid born to spoil the name of Kerala. If conception > takes place when Budha is in fast motion, the child will be born in > the 8th month and will behave in a haphazard way fast, slow, reverse > and so on. This may be a similar case. > > > > UP and Kasi, Uttarakhand, Orissa/Puri all had great pandits and > Kerala may prove to be a kid if the right history of astrology is > wrote by some scholars like Sanjayji or Narasimhaji.> > > > Chandrasekhar> > > > > > > > Raj Sharma <kngcl> wrote:> > Dear Kid, > > > > It is sad to note the ego and rascism in your note to Mr Iyer. > > > > May lord bless us with true knowledge.> > > > Regards > > > > Raj> > > > > > > > naaraayana_iyer <jaimini.upadesa@g...> wrote:> > Dear Sri Kid,> > > > You have the advantage of me ... you know my name ... I cant say > the > > same thing about you! It would be great to associate/learn with a > > learned astrologer from Kerala.> > > > I seem to have offended you! My apologies! All I stated was that > > your logic is not valid. Just because Kerala has an illustrious > > history/lineage of astrology, and just because someone from Kerala > > argued his point, doesn't make it either convincing or worthy!!! > One > > has to accept/dismiss an argument based on its pure > > merit/reasoning/logic/rationale and not based on the subjects > > background or his demography, which I feel is a gross miscarriage > of > > judgement!> > > > BTW ... I am very well aware of my lineage and the state that I > > belong to, especially wrt to Astrology, Tantra and forms of > > Bhagavathi worship. I am not entirely ignorant about this. In any > > case, thanks for the reminder!> > > > Anyways, I am sure, we would all enjoy/appreciate it, if you could > > come out of anonymity and enlighten us with your knowledge > > > > Thanks> > Warm Regards> > Narayan> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, kid kid <astrokkid> > > wrote:> > > Dear Iyer,> > > Your comments are quite un-warranted.Had you been aware of your > > own glorious past, perhaps you would not have made such > > statements.All the well- known as well as acknowledged astrological > > scholars are from Kerala, both ancient and modern. That includes > the > > famous Sangamagrama Madhava, who using his theorem of "infinite > > series" , gave mathematical way to find out the circumference of a > > circle for the first time in the world ,centuries before Scotish > > Mathematician James Gregory and the German born philosopher cum > > mathematician Laibnitse arrived at the same.Further, Madhava gave > in > > his monumental treatise"Venuaroham" the method to calculate the > > accurate position of Moon for every 36 minutes.The > > famous "Prasnamarga", considered to be the Bible of horary had its > > genesis in Kerala.Varaha's "Brihatjathaka" popularly known > as "Hora" > > as maximum number of translation in Malayalam Language.The Keralite > > astrologers are well Known for their expertise in "Devaprasna"an > > exclusive horary> > > practised widely in Kerala.Keralite astrologers like Machat > > Illayathu were respected and even honoured by fundamentalist muslim > > invaders like Tippu Sultan.The person(anonymous) who wrote the > > famous "Nauka" is believed to be a keralite.. In Kerala there is a > > caste/community assigned exclusively for horoscope making and > > delineation.The famous Alan Leo of the west came to Kerala to learn > > astrology during the turn of the last centuryThe contemporary > > writers in Jyotish including Chandrahari of Ttue ayanamsha fame, K > > Surendran, the elite contribitor of the Astrological Magazine, V S > > Kalayanaraman IPS(Retd), who use to pen articles in the > astrological > > Magazine in the name Bhaskaradasan, VSK ,Veeyeskay, Utpala , Mihira > > etc are all Keralite astrologers.You should remember that Kerala is > > the only place in the world repeat world, where communist came to > > power through ballot box and not bloody revolution Against the > > backdrop of the strong leftist moorings and psychological and > > cultural> > > warfare by the missionaries and the Islamic fundamentalist > > against hinduism in general and astrology in particular, > > astrologers of kerala never lagged behind either in propogation or > > in the predictive side of Jyotish., though they seldom run to the > > media to tom tom their success in predictions> > > ..You may take note that this scribe was the first to write an > open > > letter (mail) to Pradeep vehemently criticizing him ,when he felt > > that the praise the latter showered on a fradulent puzzle > > solver ,engaged in misguiding the gullible members, was quite > > undeserving.At the same time, this scribe was the first to openly > > acknowledge the unparalled genrosity of Narasimha, hitherto unknown > > in the history of modern astrology, and his commitment to the study > > of this divine science, in making available the free down load of > > astro-software.Do remember, this scribe is Narasimha's TRUE FRIEND > > and definitely not a sycophant who misguides him.> > > As for Pradeep, he argued his case brilliantly and convincingly > > and proved that he is a worthy scion of the veteran keralite > > astrologers of yester years.> > > Late C G Rajan and Sri R Santhanam , both outstanding > scholars,are > > the role model of this scribe. Both of them are non--Keralites. > Late > > Sri R Santhanam was basically an Andhrite and was responsible for > > bringing me to astrology.This writer is not stupid to say that > > jyotish is the privilege of Keralites.The point is for a keralite > > astrologer (not all, most of them) scholarship in astrology is > > inherent , inborn and instinctive and sciolism is seldom noticed > in > > them ; whereas, for the most of others ,it needs to be acquired.As > > far as I am concerned, my primary commitment is towards Jyotish and > > nothing else> > > KID> > > naaraayana_iyer <jaimini.upadesa@g...> wrote:> > > Dear Kid & Pradeep,> > > > > > .... Just because someone is a Keralite, doesn't make him a > > > scholar. It is just plain invalid logic! I am a Keralite myself > > and > > > proud of it ... but that doesnt prove anything ... states Andhra > > > Pradesh and Orissa have a great history of parampara of Astrology > > > too!> > > > > > Just my 2cents.> > > > > > On another note: Yesterday we celebrated Guru Poornima at my > > Guru's > > > house Narasimha's house, first by expressing our affection in the > > > form of a compilation (transcripts of 45 lessons done till date) > > in > > > a book format with CD, and then participating in the Satya > > Narayana > > > Vratam.> > > > > > Thank You Narasimha & Sanjayji!> > > > > > Warm Regards> > > Narayan> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > Dear shri Kid> > > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words.> > > > It is a privilige and blessing to have a lineage of learned > > > scholars> > > > showing path.> > > > Kind regds> > > > Pradeep> > > > vedic astrology, kid kid > <astrokkid> > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > Now I Know for sure that you are a keralite. No wonder you > > > display> > > > deep erudition and scholarship in the ongoing debate.From > > > Vararuchi-> > > > via-- Sangamagrama Madhava-to Prof A R Rajaraja Verma to Dr KV > > > Sharma> > > > to Dr N E Muthuswami, the state of kerala had produced a > > lineage > > > of> > > > outstanding scholars in astrology.Initially, I mistook your> > > > intentions; and I am sorry for that.Now, I presume, you are a > > > person> > > > encaged in dispassionate study.Keep it up> > > > > Regards> > > > > KID> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > Dear shri Kid> > > > > > > > > > I was referring to K.C.Keshavapillai author of Jyothisha > > > > > Gurubhoothan.Kerala.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, kid kid > > <astrokkid> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Pradeep,> > > > > > "Keshava pillai has clearly said - Vargas are thinking > about > > > > > > divisions of lagna and planets.The examples i have quoted > > > from > > > > > > parashara too reveals the same."> > > > > > KID--Which Kesavapillai are you referring ?> > > > > > Please reply> > > > > > KID> > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > Dear respected members> > > > > > > > > > > > sutabhAvanavAMshAchcha sthirasantatikArakAt.h |> > > > > > evaM trishAMshakuNDalyAmapi yogaM vichintayet.h || 30||> > > > > > > > > > > > All of us know the importance of panchama bahava in > > > > > > rajayoga,Mahrajayoga etc.Sthira Santhatikaraka is > > Jupiter.Thus > > > 5th > > > > > > lord and Jupiter and their amshas are ofcourse important.We > > > all > > > > > know > > > > > > where to see the panchama bhava.Sage parashara too has > > > explained > > > > > to > > > > > > us the relevance of 5th bhava and its amshas under yogas > for > > > > > > afluence.> > > > > > > > > > > > Suta bhava navamshacha is thus clearly the navamsha of 5th > > > lord - > > > > > > and shri Narasimha too agree - though he uses the word > > > > > > ambiguity.Now sage says similarly, see the above from > > > > > > trishamshakundali.It is nothing but to see the 5th lords > and > > > > > > jupiters position there.Shri Narasimha is intelligently > > > tilting > > > > > the > > > > > > priority.> > > > > > > > > > > > There are numerous such shlokas under jaimini sutras, > > > karakamsha > > > > > > etc,referring to aspects involving amshas.We know the > > > difference > > > > > in > > > > > > opinion amongst scholars regarding where to see these > > from,ie > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > or Navamsha.If one study the works in whole considering the > > > gola > > > > > and > > > > > > ganita part along with the shlokas ,there is no chance for > > > > > > ambiguity.I have always said by chart - we do not mean > > > drawing - > > > > > but > > > > > > analysis with bhavas.The word kundali does not mean we have > > to > > > see > > > > > > bhavas there.> > > > > > Parashara muni has clearly said where to see 12 Bhavas> > (because > > > he > > > > > > uses bhava lords along with their > > > navamsha ,drekkana,shstyamsha > > > > > > etc).We cannot find a single shloka where, bhava is > > mentioned > > > in > > > > > > vargamshas.> > > > > > > > > > > > I thank shri narasimhas encouragement,but nothing was > > > haste.Apart > > > > > > from my discretion,( ofcourse within my limitations),i had > > > also > > > > > > listened to scholars like Late Santhanam(who can never be > > > haste > > > > > as > > > > > > he has translated the whole BPHS), Subbu Rao, > > > K.C.KeshavaPillai > > > > > > etc.Keshava pillai has clearly said - Vargas are thinking > > > about > > > > > > divisions of lagna and planets.The examples i have quoted > > > from > > > > > > parashara too reveals the same.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus this does not stop us from answering the basic > > > question.The > > > > > > lagna shadvargake shloka and Hora.Can we see houses from > > HORA > > > as > > > > > per > > > > > > sage Parashara's definition.Can we see aspect as per the > > much > > > > > > praised shloka.Thus let us ponder together and answer than > > > getting > > > > > > over with intelligent interpretations.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > > astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.> > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms > > > of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > > astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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