Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Dear Jyothi Please consider this as my personal opinion.It is advisable to read the classics and understand the basics first, before reading other books,(giving due respect to all authors).Sage has not advised us to use divisionals as charts.Usage of vargamshas are yet to be understood in full.Trying to understand those subtle topics using houses can be treated only as a trial by inquisitive minds.It is a raw or first level attempt.But we have to ask questions and when necessary, should reject and move ahead by removing the obsolete.Only the divine principles from sage can withstand the tests of time.It was neither advised by sage nor technically(gola part) possible. For example navamshas represent the nava pranas.Every sign is a limb of the Lord ,and each limb or sign has amshas like navapranas in the case of navamsha.Similarly every sign has a repetition of amshas ruled by various dieites.There is a lot to learn,but only if we are ready to sacrifice the image created through our own theories.We are immersed in a maya or arudha world.If we do not know how to explain something ,accept it.Do not be in a hurry to some how explain it.Jyotish is a Tapas.As we see, lack of honesty coupled with marketing and political gimmicks is that what dominates contemporary Jyotish.But one cannot hide a pumpkin inside a plate of rice for long.Jyotish is capable of taking care of such gimmicks.As i am not a man of only virtues,i cannot advise anyone. Ignore condition towards valid questions, is similar to an attempt to create darkness all around by closing our eyes.It just creates darkness for us,not for others.You can ignore my mail ,when you feel as useless.It is that discretion of yours that matters and not the mugging up of books or my mail. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > Respected Sirs, > > > I see UL, AL , A2 etc. shown in all divisional charts in > Jagannath Hora. Is there any significance for UL in D10, D3, D4 etc? We > usually consider UL wrt D1 and D9 only. Right? If no, what is the > significance of UL,A3, etc in other divisional charts? For eg. how can > we intepret the effect of UL in a D10 chart? > > Since I donno much about these D-charts, i used to think A1 is used in > Rasi, A7 in D9, A10 in D10, A8 in D8, A4 in D4 respectively.I donno the > significance of other padas in each D-charts. > > Scholars plz share their knowledge regarding this. > > > Regards, > Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Dear Jyothi Please consider this as my personal opinion.It is advisable to read the classics and understand the basics first, before reading other books,giving due respect to all authors.Sage has not advised us to use divisionals as charts.Usage of vargamshas are yet to be understood in full.Trying to understand those subtle topics using houses can be treated only as a trial by inquisitive minds.It is a raw or first level attempt.But we have to ask questions and when necessary, should reject and move ahead by removing the obsolete.Only the divine principles from sage can withstand the tests of time.It was neither advised by sage nor technically(gola part) possible. For example navamshas represent the nava pranas.Every sign is a limb of the Lord ,and each limb or sign has amshas like navapranas in the case of navamsha.Similarly every sign has a repetition of amshas ruled by various dieites.There is a lot to learn,but only if we are ready to sacrifice the image created through our own theories.We are immersed in a maya or arudha world.If we do not know how to explain something ,accept it.Do not be in a hurry to some how explain it.Jyotish is a Tapas.As we see, lack of honesty coupled with marketing and political gimmicks is that what dominates contemporary Jyotish.But one cannot hide a pumpkin inside a plate of rice for long.Jyotish is capable of taking care of such gimmicks.As i am not a man of only virtues,i cannot advise anyone. Ignore condition towards valid questions, is similar to an attempt to create darkness all around by closing our eyes.It just creates darkness for us,not for others.You can ignore my mail ,when you feel as useless.It is that discretion of yours that matters and not the mugging up of books or my mail. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > Respected Sirs, > > > I see UL, AL , A2 etc. shown in all divisional charts in > Jagannath Hora. Is there any significance for UL in D10, D3, D4 etc? We > usually consider UL wrt D1 and D9 only. Right? If no, what is the > significance of UL,A3, etc in other divisional charts? For eg. how can > we intepret the effect of UL in a D10 chart? > > Since I donno much about these D-charts, i used to think A1 is used in > Rasi, A7 in D9, A10 in D10, A8 in D8, A4 in D4 respectively.I donno the > significance of other padas in each D-charts. > > Scholars plz share their knowledge regarding this. > > > Regards, > Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 People get born by the droves in a country like India, and in a populous city there, it shouldn't surprise you to find quite a few people born within a 2-hr timeframe on any given day. Even if you cut down this window to a twelfth of it, you'd still find quite a few with identical rasi and navamsa charts. Going by your premise, all such people are more or less clones. Have I understood you properly? Or is this a raw first-level assumption of a more subtle conveyance? vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear JyothiSage has not advised us to use divisionals as charts.Usage of vargamshas are yet to be understood in full. Trying to understand those subtle topics using houses can be treated only as a trial by inquisitive minds. It is a raw or first level attempt.Energumen--------All is not lost, but where is it? Mail for Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Mr.Energumen I would be happy if you read my mails carefully.I have clearly said vargamshas are very subtle and important.Usage of bhavas point to the rawness.One cannot explain evrything that one is not sure about by applying bhavas.There are many subtle concepts like nadiamshas,presiding dieties,navapranas etc which holds the key.Please read before you shoot. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, Energumen <vernalagnia> wrote: > Are you sure of what you're saying? I'm sure BPHS gives descriptions of various vargas in reasonable enough detail to justify not throwing them away without looking. > > People get born by the droves in a country like India, and in a populous city there, it shouldn't surprise you to find quite a few people born within a 2-hr timeframe on any given day. Even if you cut down this window to a twelfth of it, you'd still find quite a few with identical rasi and navamsa charts. > > Going by your premise, all such people are more or less clones. Have I understood you properly? Or is this a raw first-level assumption of a more subtle conveyance? > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear Jyothi > Sage has not advised us to use divisionals as charts.Usage of vargamshas are yet to be understood in full. Trying to understand those subtle topics using houses can be treated only as a trial by inquisitive minds. It is a raw or first level attempt. > > > Energumen > > -------- > All is not lost, but where is it? > > > Mail for Mobile > Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 One of us didn't convey our point well enough, and let me accept that's me :^) But I still have to ask you the same thing... what makes you say those of us who use houses of d-charts for interpretation are doing it wrong? What rawness (your word) do you see in it? You may well be right, but please do recognize that at this moment, you've only been opinionated about a school of thought, without proposing what you believe is right, except the cursory mention of factors that you believe to be 'holding the key'. And hey, no condescending phrases such as "reading before shooting"! You better not forget that as of now, what you've said is largely a load of aurochs dripping too. Keep the peace PS: You have made two other assumptions, that I'm a "Mr" and that my title is my name. More aurochs dripping. But I'll enter into nothing personal against me from you on this thread; the group deserves better. vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Mr.EnergumenI would be happy if you read my mails carefully.I have clearly said vargamshas are very subtle and important.Usage of bhavas point to the rawness.One cannot explain evrything that one is not sure about by applying bhavas.There are many subtle concepts like nadiamshas,presiding dieties,navapranas etc which holds the key.Please read before you shoot. ThanksPradeepEnergumen--------All is not lost, but where is it?Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Dear jeevatma Thanks for the mail. I am just mentioning about its inappropriateness.It is upto you to prove as neither sage has said so nor it is possile for me to understand.Thus please explain how it is possible. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, Energumen <vernalagnia> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > > One of us didn't convey our point well enough, and let me accept that's me :^) > > But I still have to ask you the same thing... what makes you say those of us who use houses of d-charts for interpretation are doing it wrong? What rawness (your word) do you see in it? > > You may well be right, but please do recognize that at this moment, you've only been opinionated about a school of thought, without proposing what you believe is right, except the cursory mention of factors that you believe to be 'holding the key'. > > And hey, no condescending phrases such as "reading before shooting"! You better not forget that as of now, what you've said is largely a load of aurochs dripping too. > > Keep the peace > > PS: You have made two other assumptions, that I'm a "Mr" and that my title is my name. More aurochs dripping. But I'll enter into nothing personal against me from you on this thread; the group deserves better. > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Mr.Energumen > > I would be happy if you read my mails carefully.I have clearly said > vargamshas are very subtle and important.Usage of bhavas point to > the rawness.One cannot explain evrything that one is not sure about > by applying bhavas.There are many subtle concepts like > nadiamshas,presiding dieties,navapranas etc which holds the > key.Please read before you shoot. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > Energumen > > -------- > All is not lost, but where is it? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Dear Pradeep, > > Dear Jyothi> > Sage has not advised us to use divisionals as charts.Usage of > vargamshas are yet to be understood in full. Trying to understand > those subtle topics using houses can be treated only as a trial by > inquisitive minds. It is a raw or first level attempt. You are making it look as if we have recently started using houses in divisional charts or if it is new experimental research. The fact of the matter is that several generations of astrologers have been using houses in divisional charts in our tradition. It is not our invention. Given that, I wonder how it can be termed "raw or first level attempt" or a "trial". It is the time-tested approach of our tradition. You have every right to be skeptical and have your own beliefs, but you have no right to call the core basics as per our generations old tradition as a "raw or first level attempt". BTW, someone asked what UL stands for in D-10. UL in D-10 stands for things given up or lost or compromises made. The 12th house shows giving up or compromising or losing something and its arudha pada shows related inanimate tangibles. I have talked about houses and arudha padas in divisional charts in detail in some of the previous Sunday classes in greater Boston. The mp3 audio is free at the site mentioned below. Though my knowledge is limited, several people have found the lessons useful and benefited from it. You may want to try the lessons. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha -------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Hi Sorry for interrupting your discussions. The title you use means "demonic" which is ofcourse a church's description rather than the actual meaning. If I am not mistaken Energumen would mean "One who expresses the energy freely". A more appropriate meaning would be - "One who sees the expression of energy and understand its roots" Whatever be your name, Nice title I must say. Thanks and Regards Bharat vedic astrology, Energumen <vernalagnia> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > > One of us didn't convey our point well enough, and let me accept that's me :^) > > But I still have to ask you the same thing... what makes you say those of us who use houses of d-charts for interpretation are doing it wrong? What rawness (your word) do you see in it? > > You may well be right, but please do recognize that at this moment, you've only been opinionated about a school of thought, without proposing what you believe is right, except the cursory mention of factors that you believe to be 'holding the key'. > > And hey, no condescending phrases such as "reading before shooting"! You better not forget that as of now, what you've said is largely a load of aurochs dripping too. > > Keep the peace > > PS: You have made two other assumptions, that I'm a "Mr" and that my title is my name. More aurochs dripping. But I'll enter into nothing personal against me from you on this thread; the group deserves better. > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Mr.Energumen > > I would be happy if you read my mails carefully.I have clearly said > vargamshas are very subtle and important.Usage of bhavas point to > the rawness.One cannot explain evrything that one is not sure about > by applying bhavas.There are many subtle concepts like > nadiamshas,presiding dieties,navapranas etc which holds the > key.Please read before you shoot. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > Energumen > > -------- > All is not lost, but where is it? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 If you go to the root of it, a demon too is basically energy gone wild, often sadly at the expense of righteousness. The church description you mention is a bit debatable. You could say it was an Old Testament interpretation, not the NT's. OT was a lot like the Koran, having parts that a devious interpreter could use to the absolute detriment of social behavior. And indeed that's what happened in the dark ages, though unrepentant Christian clans would blame the marauding Muslims for that too. The OT contributed more than anything else to the advent, and continuance, of atheism. And did you know that atheism is a non-prophet organization? :^)bharateiya <bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hi Sorry for interrupting your discussions. The title you use means "demonic" which is ofcourse a church's description rather than the actual meaning. If I am not mistaken Energumen would mean "One who expresses the energy freely". A more appropriate meaning would be - "One who sees the expression of energy and understand its roots"Whatever be your name, Nice title I must say.Thanks and RegardsBharatEnergumen--------All is not lost, but where is it? Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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