Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Utpal Ji, Namaskar Allow me to interject. Actually, in the world of maya there is only competition! So, it is likley that both the arudhas try to rise simultaneously and hold the center stage, sometimes resulting in clashes! (i know a few charts, where this resulted in separation, though one must apply it caustiously :-)) Placement of lords etc., needs to be seen. regards Surya vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: > Dear Nitinji > Namaste, > > > Where the AL and the UL sit together, only 1 will rise (at a time). > > This leads to the compromising nature of either the native or the > > significant other. > > I am not quite clear on your views. if the Manifestation of Self & > 12 th house or for that matter any two or more houses, if fall in > same house / Rashi then how only one Arudha can rise from more than > one Arudhas. my point is that every Human or relationship has the > Visible Status as percieved by the world. > > The point of Compromising naure if many Arudhas are combinedly > placed seems to be logical. > > hope to rec'v further understanding from you > > regards > > utpal > vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin> > wrote: > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > Dear Utpal and List Members, Namaskaar. > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding.... > > > > Where the AL and the UL sit together, only 1 will rise (at a time). > > This leads to the compromising nature of either the native or the > > significant other. > > > > Consider the AL to that of the Sun, whereas the UL to that of > Venus.... > > > > Best wishes, > > Nitin. > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > Hi Anurag, > > > > > > It is quite a long time we have talked. hope your Law Practise is > > getting better & better with Saturn's exit. > > > > > > Now AL & UL Combined can also Show that the Person in question > gains > > his/her Reputation by Sacrifices or Simply he is better known in > > Society for his Scarifcing deeds. The logic behind above is easily > > understandable. > > > > > > w.r.t Spouse, It is possible that Husband & wife have > simmilarity in > > their Status in society and their relationship seems to be > compatible > > (Such as made for each other kind) to the world outside. > > > > > > warm regards > > > > > > utpal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Utpal Ji, Namaskaar. Firstly -- I am ONLY considering the AL and UL together in this thread, and not other combinations of Arudhas. I am not commenting on the visible / invisible status of people (reflection / refraction of light, and hence Arudhas). What happens when the Sun and Venus are together -- think along these lines? Surya has given a clue into the clashes the native and significant other has when seeing this combination (while chart has to be studied in perspective). The clash will be the house where the 2 spend good time together. E.g. If the person has AL / UL in the 4th House, the couple are nit picky about matters of the home and some clashes occur. One may like to put up curtains near the balcony, wheras the other would not. One wants a table in a certain place as decor, but the other dismisses it. It can be as simple as this, or more. Hope some of this helps. Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak> wrote: > Dear Nitinji > Namaste, > > > Where the AL and the UL sit together, only 1 will rise (at a time). > > This leads to the compromising nature of either the native or the > > significant other. > > I am not quite clear on your views. if the Manifestation of Self & > 12 th house or for that matter any two or more houses, if fall in > same house / Rashi then how only one Arudha can rise from more than > one Arudhas. my point is that every Human or relationship has the > Visible Status as percieved by the world. > > The point of Compromising naure if many Arudhas are combinedly > placed seems to be logical. > > hope to rec'v further understanding from you > > regards > > utpal > vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin> > wrote: > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > Dear Utpal and List Members, Namaskaar. > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding.... > > > > Where the AL and the UL sit together, only 1 will rise (at a time). > > This leads to the compromising nature of either the native or the > > significant other. > > > > Consider the AL to that of the Sun, whereas the UL to that of > Venus.... > > > > Best wishes, > > Nitin. > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > Hi Anurag, > > > > > > It is quite a long time we have talked. hope your Law Practise is > > getting better & better with Saturn's exit. > > > > > > Now AL & UL Combined can also Show that the Person in question > gains > > his/her Reputation by Sacrifices or Simply he is better known in > > Society for his Scarifcing deeds. The logic behind above is easily > > understandable. > > > > > > w.r.t Spouse, It is possible that Husband & wife have > simmilarity in > > their Status in society and their relationship seems to be > compatible > > (Such as made for each other kind) to the world outside. > > > > > > warm regards > > > > > > utpal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Yes, i accept your View point along with Surya garu's insight especially for AL & UL Combination. my view on that was purely on the basis of logic of Images. as i earlier Said that AL & UL combinedly placed can show the Image of a person known for scarifices that was based on UL because UL is manifestation of 12th house which is a house of 'Giving'. I checked right now some horoscope hurriedly to search for this combination but could not found and suddenly i saw the chart of Shri Sanjay Rath. he has AL & UL combined and he is mainly known as Giver of knowledge so it proves some worth in the above. with regards to Husband & wife, as you both said, there is a good point in understanding Sun & Venus and thus the clashes. I need to check this combination in various charts for that purpose whether it indicates clashes or harmony. thanks for your explanation and valuable insight. regards utpalNitin <astronitin > wrote: ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||Utpal Ji, Namaskaar. Firstly -- I am ONLY considering the AL and UL together in thisthread, and not other combinations of Arudhas. I am not commenting onthe visible / invisible status of people (reflection / refraction oflight, and hence Arudhas). What happens when the Sun and Venus are together -- think along theselines? Surya has given a clue into the clashes the native and significantother has when seeing this combination (while chart has to be studiedin perspective). The clash will be the house where the 2 spend goodtime together. E.g. If the person has AL / UL in the 4th House, the couple are nitpicky about matters of the home and some clashes occur. One may liketo put up curtains near the balcony, wheras the other would not. Onewants a table in a certain place as decor, but the other dismisses it.It can be as simple as this, or more. Hope some of this helps. Nitin.|| Namah Shivaaya ||--- In vedic astrology, "utpal pathak"<vedic_pathak> wrote:> Dear Nitinji> Namaste,> > > Where the AL and the UL sit together, only 1 will rise (at a time).> > This leads to the compromising nature of either the native or the> > significant other.> > I am not quite clear on your views. if the Manifestation of Self & > 12 th house or for that matter any two or more houses, if fall in > same house / Rashi then how only one Arudha can rise from more than > one Arudhas. my point is that every Human or relationship has the > Visible Status as percieved by the world.> > The point of Compromising naure if many Arudhas are combinedly > placed seems to be logical. > > hope to rec'v further understanding from you> > regards> > utpal> --- In vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin> > wrote:> > ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||> > > > Dear Utpal and List Members, Namaskaar. > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding....> > > > Where the AL and the UL sit together, only 1 will rise (at a time).> > This leads to the compromising nature of either the native or the> > significant other. > > > > Consider the AL to that of the Sun, whereas the UL to that of > Venus....> > > > Best wishes, > > Nitin.> > > > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak> > <vedic_pathak> wrote:> > > Hi Anurag,> > > > > > It is quite a long time we have talked. hope your Law Practise is> > getting better & better with Saturn's exit.> > > > > > Now AL & UL Combined can also Show that the Person in question > gains> > his/her Reputation by Sacrifices or Simply he is better known in> > Society for his Scarifcing deeds. The logic behind above is easily> > understandable.> > > > > > w.r.t Spouse, It is possible that Husband & wife have > simmilarity in> > their Status in society and their relationship seems to be > compatible> > (Such as made for each other kind) to the world outside.> > > > > > warm regards> > > > > > utpalArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Sell on Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Namaste Utpal Ji, Nitin, Lakshmi & Friends, The 12th house is the house of losses, giving, compromises, bed- pleasures, loss of awareness etc ... and we have to take all these factors and see its manifestation from UL. As Gaunapada, it shows the spouse, as VyayaPada it indicates all kinds of losses and compromises, and giving. In Sanjayji's chart the UL does show spouse, and also what one gives to the world or that one *has to give away* ... look at the presence of Ketu and aspect of Jupiter, showing the giving of Parampara knowledge pertaining to Jyotish, this is clear from d60 too! Further, Jaimini Maharishi had dedicated some stanzas, indicating, how the presence of planets with UL shows, how the native will have to *give away* these matters from physical point of view. Like Sun in UL, aspected by Venus/Rahu are atleast one of these indicates, blindness. Note Sun is the kaaraka for vision (sight) and Venus is the kaaraka for eyes (physical). The presence of AL & UL together in a sign, can mean, acquisition (AL) and giving away(UL), which in general, tends to cause some level of upheavel and radical transformation! Further, I feel, that some yogas need to be checked from AL and some from UL and still some from other relevant Arudhas. For example, Knowledge, when it is shared, esp. like the kind Jyotish belongs to, needs to be seen from UL (giving away or sharing). Just my 2cents. Warm Regards Narayan vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > Dear Nitin ji & Surya garu, Namaste, > > Yes, i accept your View point along with Surya garu's insight especially for AL & UL Combination. my view on that was purely on the basis of logic of Images. > > as i earlier Said that AL & UL combinedly placed can show the Image of a person known for scarifices that was based on UL because UL is manifestation of 12th house which is a house of 'Giving'. > > I checked right now some horoscope hurriedly to search for this combination but could not found and suddenly i saw the chart of Shri Sanjay Rath. he has AL & UL combined and he is mainly known as Giver of knowledge so it proves some worth in the above. > > with regards to Husband & wife, as you both said, there is a good point in understanding Sun & Venus and thus the clashes. I need to check this combination in various charts for that purpose whether it indicates clashes or harmony. > > thanks for your explanation and valuable insight. > > regards > > utpal > > Nitin <astronitin> wrote: > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > Utpal Ji, Namaskaar. > > Firstly -- I am ONLY considering the AL and UL together in this > thread, and not other combinations of Arudhas. I am not commenting on > the visible / invisible status of people (reflection / refraction of > light, and hence Arudhas). > > What happens when the Sun and Venus are together -- think along these > lines? > > Surya has given a clue into the clashes the native and significant > other has when seeing this combination (while chart has to be studied > in perspective). The clash will be the house where the 2 spend good > time together. > > E.g. If the person has AL / UL in the 4th House, the couple are nit > picky about matters of the home and some clashes occur. One may like > to put up curtains near the balcony, wheras the other would not. One > wants a table in a certain place as decor, but the other dismisses it. > It can be as simple as this, or more. > > Hope some of this helps. > > Nitin. > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > vedic astrology, "utpal pathak" > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > Dear Nitinji > > Namaste, > > > > > Where the AL and the UL sit together, only 1 will rise (at a time). > > > This leads to the compromising nature of either the native or the > > > significant other. > > > > I am not quite clear on your views. if the Manifestation of Self & > > 12 th house or for that matter any two or more houses, if fall in > > same house / Rashi then how only one Arudha can rise from more than > > one Arudhas. my point is that every Human or relationship has the > > Visible Status as percieved by the world. > > > > The point of Compromising naure if many Arudhas are combinedly > > placed seems to be logical. > > > > hope to rec'v further understanding from you > > > > regards > > > > utpal > > vedic astrology, "Nitin" <astronitin> > > wrote: > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > Dear Utpal and List Members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding.... > > > > > > Where the AL and the UL sit together, only 1 will rise (at a time). > > > This leads to the compromising nature of either the native or the > > > significant other. > > > > > > Consider the AL to that of the Sun, whereas the UL to that of > > Venus.... > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Nitin. > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak > > > <vedic_pathak> wrote: > > > > Hi Anurag, > > > > > > > > It is quite a long time we have talked. hope your Law Practise is > > > getting better & better with Saturn's exit. > > > > > > > > Now AL & UL Combined can also Show that the Person in question > > gains > > > his/her Reputation by Sacrifices or Simply he is better known in > > > Society for his Scarifcing deeds. The logic behind above is easily > > > understandable. > > > > > > > > w.r.t Spouse, It is possible that Husband & wife have > > simmilarity in > > > their Status in society and their relationship seems to be > > compatible > > > (Such as made for each other kind) to the world outside. > > > > > > > > warm regards > > > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Sell on Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I would like to add a few more points in your mail. Its not possible for all to have jupiter transiting 2nd to UL or on UL for marriage.Because,marriage happens because of various points..like saturn and jupiter transits from lagna and moon.Dasa,bukthi and anthra lords... Likewise many points..we cannot fixup one transit for an event.Ofcourse this transit might be important but not for all. If jupiter aspects 2nd sign to lagna from 8th...Should not it give effect??. If UL sign dasa happens and saturn..AK aspects DK in natal chart in transit..should not it give effect?? Please give your views and points on these lines. Thanks and regards BALAJI G anuraagsharma27 <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Rafal,I had the occasion to discuss the chart in relation to the UL at SJC Delhi.Now, the principle about the transit of Jupiter is that it should aspect the 2nd from UL/ conjoin it. But should that apply to both charts or just one is enough. Visti insisted that I wait till Jupiter reached Scorpio since then it would aspect Aries, the 2nd from UL with Rashi Drishti. He also opined that since Guru aspected both lords of the 7th, Rahu and Shani with Graha Drishti, I was likely to meet the future spouse before Guru moved to Libra.In view of the fact that Rahu is in the 6th and Shani is in the 10th, do you think the spouse could be working? Also, in view of Rahu's influence and the conjunction of Saturn with the Moon, the 12th Lord, do you think there would be a foreign element to this. Mars in Navamsha Lagna is also the 12th Lord.Thanks.Anurag Sharma. vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote:> Dear Anurag Sharma,> > Comments below.> > with regards,> Rafal Gendarz> > Dear Rafal,> > > > Thank you for your views. They impart objectivity to one's own > > chart. Once again, I agree with your interpretation.> > > > By second marriage, I also implied marrying someone already married > > before. With Guru in the 5th House with Chesta Bal, it could show > > fulfilling a destined Karmic love, even if the superficial traits of > > the Mars-Venus Rashi Drishti to UL also manifest.> > > > Mars in Navamsha Lagna shows my temperament. The Rashi Drishti of > > the Gajkesrai Yoga from the 3rd Bhava in Navamsha curtails > > unreasonableness in anger but once roused due to vulgarity, it has > > benn difficult to control, especially in the Rahu Dasha till 1997.> > > > Why did you judge the temperament of the spouse from Mangal in > > Navamsha Lagna? Don't you think Budh in the 7th H will have slightly > > more to offer. Mars is perhaps more focal for me.> > Yes. Character will be dominated by planets in Trikona to 7H, but what he is doing is whole Navamsa. Mars in 7 gives over-protectivness.> Mars in Your Navamsa Lagna tells about You in relation. Mars.> > > > > > > > Also, it might indicate marrying to a person with a higher status > > than one's own, due to exaltation of the UL Lord in Navamsha.> > > > Your Guru is right. This Brihaspati completely altered life from > > Rahu MD. First mythic thought, then Jyotish, then alteration of the > > physical body, all these results have been gicen by this Guru. This > > has been the greatest protection in the terribly Karmic and > > transformatory Sade-Sati and Kantak Shani, offering its material > > wealth and relative wisdom through the exclusion of the Lord of > > Karma Shani in the SS.> > > > Rafal, the Meena Navamsha Narayan dasha is extremely illustrative of > > the Dharmic changes in my personality, and ALSO IN THE "VISIBLE > > DHARMIC PERSONALITY' SHOWN BY THE AL IN NAVAMSHA.> > Pay attention to starting Narayana Dasa from 7L.> > > > > I understand that you cited Prashna Marga to show that AL had degree > > but intuitively I feel that the visible personality can be seen from > > the independently calculated AL in Navamsha and other Vargas. Sanjay > > Ji has also used this in all his works, as has PVR Narasimha Rao.> > What I wrote is not my view, it is view from my Guruji, who again was take it from Sanjay Ji. I talked with Him a lot about it.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Astrology chart Vedic astrology Dasa Astrology horoscope Astrology software How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends n family photos for FREE with Photos. http://in.photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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