Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Respected Guruji's Pls shed some light on the case where AL and UL are in the same sign of Virgo in 9th House Karan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || Dear Karan, Namaste ! If you explore the older mails of this group,you will surely find that to be a great resource of learning astrology.I'll give my answer to your question now.. If AL & UL combined,the native will have good harmonic relationship with his wife.This is assured if Venus is well placed with respect to AL and if AK & DK are mutually well placed.In the combination you mentioned the lords of AL and UL will be the same planet,so the native's image and reputation may rise after the marriage.We should also check some other factors before deciding anything. Simple rule is,just check the placement of any arudha pada with respect to AL and decide the results.These are some basic rules and we should analyse the other aspects of the horoscope before concluding. It is said that if UL is 12th from AL then the native rejects the spouse.But this is not the ONLY combination which makes the native to reject his/her spouse.As i said earlied check the mutual placement of AK & DK. Now coming to the point,placement of UL with respect to lagna.This is very important.We know that UL tells about nature of spouse and spouse's family.If UL is placed in 9th house...it may indicate the below said things, - Native fortune(9th house) comes/rises after marriage - Native may marry some one from his paternal(father -9th house) relation. - Native's marriage related doshas will get removed just by visiting temples(9th house),following Dharmic life(9th house) Some more things like this shall be predicted by seeing all the karakatwas of 9th bhava.Now you try to think about placement of UL in other houses.Logic is simple ..see the karakatwas of the bhava and predict the results.Also think about the placement of other padas with respect to lagna and AL. Hope this helps. || Hare Rama Krishna || Best Regards, krithi vedic astrology, "vivahsearch" <vivahsearch> wrote: > Respected Guruji's > > Pls shed some light on the case where AL and UL are in the same sign > of Virgo in 9th House > > Karan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Dear krithi, If UL is in 12th of AL , does the native abandons the spouse or will the native be abondoned by the spouse? Though in effect both are same, who will take the initiative? How can we identify the reasons for abandoning.? Kindly clear these doubts too. Regards, Jyothi vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > Dear Karan, > > Namaste ! > > If you explore the older mails of this group,you will surely find > that to be a great resource of learning astrology.I'll give my answer > to your question now.. > > If AL & UL combined,the native will have good harmonic > relationship with his wife.This is assured if Venus is well placed > with respect to AL and if AK & DK are mutually well placed.In the > combination you mentioned the lords of AL and UL will be the same > planet,so the native's image and reputation may rise after the > marriage.We should also check some other factors before deciding > anything. > > Simple rule is,just check the placement of any arudha pada with > respect to AL and decide the results.These are some basic rules and > we should analyse the other aspects of the horoscope before > concluding. > > It is said that if UL is 12th from AL then the native rejects the > spouse.But this is not the ONLY combination which makes the native to > reject his/her spouse.As i said earlied check the mutual placement of > AK & DK. > > Now coming to the point,placement of UL with respect to > lagna.This is very important.We know that UL tells about nature of > spouse and spouse's family.If UL is placed in 9th house...it may > indicate the below said things, > > - Native fortune(9th house) comes/rises after marriage > - Native may marry some one from his paternal(father -9th house) > relation. > - Native's marriage related doshas will get removed just by > visiting temples(9th house),following Dharmic life(9th house) > > Some more things like this shall be predicted by seeing all the > karakatwas of 9th bhava.Now you try to think about placement of UL in > other houses.Logic is simple ..see the karakatwas of the bhava and > predict the results.Also think about the placement of other padas > with respect to lagna and AL. > > Hope this helps. > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Best Regards, > > krithi > > > vedic astrology, "vivahsearch" > <vivahsearch> wrote: > > Respected Guruji's > > > > Pls shed some light on the case where AL and UL are in the same > sign > > of Virgo in 9th House > > > > Karan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || Dear Jyothi, Namaste ! Hope you read Narayanji's reply to your mail.I fully agree with him.If UL is 12th from AL in any chart,there could be difference of opinions between native and his/her spouse.But this difference of opinion will get reduced if the native's spouse's lagna is trines to native's UL.In this case the tatwas becomes same and it helps a lot in nullifying the problems due to bad placement of UL with respect to AL. Hope this helps. || Hare Rama Krishna || Best Regards, Mr.Krithi ) vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > Dear krithi, > > If UL is in 12th of AL , does the native abandons the > spouse or will the native be abondoned by the spouse? Though in > effect both are same, who will take the initiative? How can we > identify the reasons for abandoning.? Kindly clear these doubts too. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > > > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > Dear Karan, > > > > Namaste ! > > > > If you explore the older mails of this group,you will surely > find > > that to be a great resource of learning astrology.I'll give my > answer > > to your question now.. > > > > If AL & UL combined,the native will have good harmonic > > relationship with his wife.This is assured if Venus is well placed > > with respect to AL and if AK & DK are mutually well placed.In the > > combination you mentioned the lords of AL and UL will be the same > > planet,so the native's image and reputation may rise after the > > marriage.We should also check some other factors before deciding > > anything. > > > > Simple rule is,just check the placement of any arudha pada with > > respect to AL and decide the results.These are some basic rules and > > we should analyse the other aspects of the horoscope before > > concluding. > > > > It is said that if UL is 12th from AL then the native rejects > the > > spouse.But this is not the ONLY combination which makes the native > to > > reject his/her spouse.As i said earlied check the mutual placement > of > > AK & DK. > > > > Now coming to the point,placement of UL with respect to > > lagna.This is very important.We know that UL tells about nature of > > spouse and spouse's family.If UL is placed in 9th house...it may > > indicate the below said things, > > > > - Native fortune(9th house) comes/rises after marriage > > - Native may marry some one from his paternal(father -9th > house) > > relation. > > - Native's marriage related doshas will get removed just by > > visiting temples(9th house),following Dharmic life(9th house) > > > > Some more things like this shall be predicted by seeing all the > > karakatwas of 9th bhava.Now you try to think about placement of UL > in > > other houses.Logic is simple ..see the karakatwas of the bhava and > > predict the results.Also think about the placement of other padas > > with respect to lagna and AL. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Best Regards, > > > > krithi > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vivahsearch" > > <vivahsearch> wrote: > > > Respected Guruji's > > > > > > Pls shed some light on the case where AL and UL are in the same > > sign > > > of Virgo in 9th House > > > > > > Karan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Dear Mr. Krithi, In your experience, while Judging the Lagna of the spouse from the UL, if the 7th from the UL is stronger, does the UL Rashi lose significance totally and the Rashis in trines to the UL ignored as possible matches? Or, is it that there is a 'choice' between determining the probable Lagna of the spouse from the UL or the 7th from it? Look forward to your input. Best wishes. Anurag Sharma. vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > Dear Jyothi, > > Namaste ! > > Hope you read Narayanji's reply to your mail.I fully agree with > him.If UL is 12th from AL in any chart,there could be difference of > opinions between native and his/her spouse.But this difference of > opinion will get reduced if the native's spouse's lagna is trines to > native's UL.In this case the tatwas becomes same and it helps a lot > in nullifying the problems due to bad placement of UL with respect to > AL. > > Hope this helps. > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Best Regards, > > Mr.Krithi ) > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" > <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > > Dear krithi, > > > > If UL is in 12th of AL , does the native abandons the > > spouse or will the native be abondoned by the spouse? Though in > > effect both are same, who will take the initiative? How can we > > identify the reasons for abandoning.? Kindly clear these doubts too. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > > > Dear Karan, > > > > > > Namaste ! > > > > > > If you explore the older mails of this group,you will surely > > find > > > that to be a great resource of learning astrology.I'll give my > > answer > > > to your question now.. > > > > > > If AL & UL combined,the native will have good harmonic > > > relationship with his wife.This is assured if Venus is well > placed > > > with respect to AL and if AK & DK are mutually well placed.In the > > > combination you mentioned the lords of AL and UL will be the same > > > planet,so the native's image and reputation may rise after the > > > marriage.We should also check some other factors before deciding > > > anything. > > > > > > Simple rule is,just check the placement of any arudha pada > with > > > respect to AL and decide the results.These are some basic rules > and > > > we should analyse the other aspects of the horoscope before > > > concluding. > > > > > > It is said that if UL is 12th from AL then the native rejects > > the > > > spouse.But this is not the ONLY combination which makes the > native > > to > > > reject his/her spouse.As i said earlied check the mutual > placement > > of > > > AK & DK. > > > > > > Now coming to the point,placement of UL with respect to > > > lagna.This is very important.We know that UL tells about nature > of > > > spouse and spouse's family.If UL is placed in 9th house...it may > > > indicate the below said things, > > > > > > - Native fortune(9th house) comes/rises after marriage > > > - Native may marry some one from his paternal(father -9th > > house) > > > relation. > > > - Native's marriage related doshas will get removed just by > > > visiting temples(9th house),following Dharmic life(9th house) > > > > > > Some more things like this shall be predicted by seeing all > the > > > karakatwas of 9th bhava.Now you try to think about placement of > UL > > in > > > other houses.Logic is simple ..see the karakatwas of the bhava > and > > > predict the results.Also think about the placement of other padas > > > with respect to lagna and AL. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > krithi > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vivahsearch" > > > <vivahsearch> wrote: > > > > Respected Guruji's > > > > > > > > Pls shed some light on the case where AL and UL are in the same > > > sign > > > > of Virgo in 9th House > > > > > > > > Karan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Anurag Sharma, If I can get into the middle: (1) If You really choose a person which whom You want to share Your life then they will always have the Lagna in Trikona to Your UL (or 7 from UL if stronger). If there is Saturn in Rasi then You will not choose the Rasi where Saturn is. It is also auspicious to leave the Rasis which are in Dushtana from Your Lagna. (2) If You see that the Lagna of Your partner doesnt match the trikona to Your UL: a) then maybe You had some relation in past and now You should look at 8 from UL, or 8 from 8 from UL. b) then maybe first Upapada is much afflicted by malefics and can't actualize so also You should look at 8 from UL c) or You want only flirt / romance then see the Trikona to A7. Ps. If the 7 from UL is stronger then we still judge partner from the original UL, while Kona to 7 from UL will indicate possible Lagna's. with regards Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || Dear Anurag, Namaste ! In my opinion,UL never looses it significance.UL may be very weaker than any other house but still it is the house which describes the attributes of one's spouse and spouse's family.Even for frutification of second marriage and so on..the deity and day of first UL is very important for Fasting. To my knowledge,Ideal lagna of spouse could be UL ,Trines to UL and 7th from UL.Some times the planets in UL and Trines to it decides the lagna of spouse.If we choose the spouse by following this rule then the possibility of breaking of marriage in mutual Willingness won't occur.I mean to say that this reduces the difference of opinions b/w the couples and give good harmony in their relationship. One very important thing to take care while matching the horoscopes is to see the tathva's related to native's UL and the spouse's lagna.If both these tathvas are mutual conflicting then it is better to avoid such match. Remember to consider other matchings also. Hope this helps. || Hare Rama Krishna || Best Regards, krithi vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > Dear Mr. Krithi, > > In your experience, while Judging the Lagna of the spouse from the > UL, if the 7th from the UL is stronger, does the UL Rashi lose > significance totally and the Rashis in trines to the UL ignored as > possible matches? Or, is it that there is a 'choice' between > determining the probable Lagna of the spouse from the UL or the 7th > from it? > > Look forward to your input. > > Best wishes. > > Anurag Sharma. > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > Namaste ! > > > > Hope you read Narayanji's reply to your mail.I fully agree with > > him.If UL is 12th from AL in any chart,there could be difference > of > > opinions between native and his/her spouse.But this difference of > > opinion will get reduced if the native's spouse's lagna is trines > to > > native's UL.In this case the tatwas becomes same and it helps a > lot > > in nullifying the problems due to bad placement of UL with respect > to > > AL. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Mr.Krithi ) > > > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" > > <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > > > Dear krithi, > > > > > > If UL is in 12th of AL , does the native abandons > the > > > spouse or will the native be abondoned by the spouse? Though in > > > effect both are same, who will take the initiative? How can we > > > identify the reasons for abandoning.? Kindly clear these doubts > too. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > > > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > > > > > Dear Karan, > > > > > > > > Namaste ! > > > > > > > > If you explore the older mails of this group,you will > surely > > > find > > > > that to be a great resource of learning astrology.I'll give my > > > answer > > > > to your question now.. > > > > > > > > If AL & UL combined,the native will have good harmonic > > > > relationship with his wife.This is assured if Venus is well > > placed > > > > with respect to AL and if AK & DK are mutually well placed.In > the > > > > combination you mentioned the lords of AL and UL will be the > same > > > > planet,so the native's image and reputation may rise after the > > > > marriage.We should also check some other factors before > deciding > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > Simple rule is,just check the placement of any arudha pada > > with > > > > respect to AL and decide the results.These are some basic > rules > > and > > > > we should analyse the other aspects of the horoscope before > > > > concluding. > > > > > > > > It is said that if UL is 12th from AL then the native > rejects > > > the > > > > spouse.But this is not the ONLY combination which makes the > > native > > > to > > > > reject his/her spouse.As i said earlied check the mutual > > placement > > > of > > > > AK & DK. > > > > > > > > Now coming to the point,placement of UL with respect to > > > > lagna.This is very important.We know that UL tells about > nature > > of > > > > spouse and spouse's family.If UL is placed in 9th house...it > may > > > > indicate the below said things, > > > > > > > > - Native fortune(9th house) comes/rises after marriage > > > > - Native may marry some one from his paternal(father -9th > > > house) > > > > relation. > > > > - Native's marriage related doshas will get removed just by > > > > visiting temples(9th house),following Dharmic life(9th house) > > > > > > > > Some more things like this shall be predicted by seeing all > > the > > > > karakatwas of 9th bhava.Now you try to think about placement > of > > UL > > > in > > > > other houses.Logic is simple ..see the karakatwas of the bhava > > and > > > > predict the results.Also think about the placement of other > padas > > > > with respect to lagna and AL. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > krithi > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vivahsearch" > > > > <vivahsearch> wrote: > > > > > Respected Guruji's > > > > > > > > > > Pls shed some light on the case where AL and UL are in the > same > > > > sign > > > > > of Virgo in 9th House > > > > > > > > > > Karan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Dear Rafal, Thank you for your interjection. Almost all the points you mention appear to be valid from what I have read on the matter. I was mainly seeking to clarify the point regarding the judgment of the probable Lagna (a true life partner) from the UL/ the 7th from it if the latter is stronger. Sanjay Ji has consistently taught that both the 1st and the 7th are satyapeetha and the stronger should be judged. Regarding the 'exhausting' of the first UL, I think it is a subjective question. For example, consider the situation in my own chart: 11th June, 1972; Cuttack, Orissa, India; 10:17 AM. The UL is in the 8th House with 38 bindus in the SAV with the UL Lord placed in the 5th House from Lagna. Guru is Vakri showing some Karmic desire from the past. In the Guru Dasha, I have found the Graha to give very powerful results. I think the retrogression of the Grahas shows a tendency to delay but not necessarily adversity in the Graha itself unless the Graha is exalted. In any case, I am single and believe that the UL is not exhausted considering the power of the UL and the lord thereof. I also think that the 2nd Lord from UL, Mars is Yogakaraka and reasonably placed and so a UL relationship is unlikely to have not fructified into marriage. Of course the Darapada is in Taurus and links the UL with A7 through Lordship. Since the A7 has Sun and Moon and Saturn, the mind and soul could go into relationships (A7) and make them seem like potential UL stuff. I tend to think that marriage for this chart would be Karmic, perhaps involving the element of a second marriage (8th House), with natal 7th Lord in the 2nd House in Navamsha and the 2nd Lord of Navamsha in the 7th House. Or it could mean marrying someone endowed with wealth (2nd)/ both. What are your views on this matter? Can you see tendencies relating to the future marriage and characteristics that it might have: love, work related etc? Your attention is appreciated. Best wishes. Anurag Sharma. vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote: > II Hare Rama Krsna II > Dear Anurag Sharma, > > If I can get into the middle: > > (1) If You really choose a person which whom You want > to share Your life then they will always have the Lagna > in Trikona to Your UL (or 7 from UL if stronger). If there > is Saturn in Rasi then You will not choose the Rasi where Saturn is. > It is also auspicious to leave the Rasis which are in Dushtana from Your Lagna. > > (2) If You see that the Lagna of Your partner doesnt match the > trikona to Your UL: > a) then maybe You had some relation in past and now You should look at 8 from UL, or 8 from 8 from UL. > b) then maybe first Upapada is much afflicted by malefics and can't actualize so also You should look at 8 from UL > c) or You want only flirt / romance then see the Trikona to A7. > > Ps. If the 7 from UL is stronger then we still judge partner from the > original UL, while Kona to 7 from UL will indicate possible Lagna's. > > with regards > Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Dear Krithi, Thank you for your opinion. I agree. It was just the situation where the 7th from the UL is stronger, merely for the judgment of the Lagna of the spouse. For all other matters, I believe the Ul should be the indicator. Best wishes. Anurag. vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > Dear Anurag, > > Namaste ! > > In my opinion,UL never looses it significance.UL may be very weaker > than any other house but still it is the house which describes the > attributes of one's spouse and spouse's family.Even for frutification > of second marriage and so on..the deity and day of first UL is very > important for Fasting. > > To my knowledge,Ideal lagna of spouse could be UL ,Trines to UL and > 7th from UL.Some times the planets in UL and Trines to it decides the > lagna of spouse.If we choose the spouse by following this rule then > the possibility of breaking of marriage in mutual Willingness won't > occur.I mean to say that this reduces the difference of opinions b/w > the couples and give good harmony in their relationship. > > One very important thing to take care while matching the > horoscopes is to see the tathva's related to native's UL and the > spouse's lagna.If both these tathvas are mutual conflicting then it > is better to avoid such match. > > Remember to consider other matchings also. > > Hope this helps. > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Best Regards, > > krithi > > > > > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Krithi, > > > > In your experience, while Judging the Lagna of the spouse from the > > UL, if the 7th from the UL is stronger, does the UL Rashi lose > > significance totally and the Rashis in trines to the UL ignored as > > possible matches? Or, is it that there is a 'choice' between > > determining the probable Lagna of the spouse from the UL or the 7th > > from it? > > > > Look forward to your input. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > Namaste ! > > > > > > Hope you read Narayanji's reply to your mail.I fully agree > with > > > him.If UL is 12th from AL in any chart,there could be difference > > of > > > opinions between native and his/her spouse.But this difference of > > > opinion will get reduced if the native's spouse's lagna is trines > > to > > > native's UL.In this case the tatwas becomes same and it helps a > > lot > > > in nullifying the problems due to bad placement of UL with > respect > > to > > > AL. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Mr.Krithi ) > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" > > > <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > > > > Dear krithi, > > > > > > > > If UL is in 12th of AL , does the native abandons > > the > > > > spouse or will the native be abondoned by the spouse? Though in > > > > effect both are same, who will take the initiative? How can we > > > > identify the reasons for abandoning.? Kindly clear these doubts > > too. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > > > > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > > > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Karan, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste ! > > > > > > > > > > If you explore the older mails of this group,you will > > surely > > > > find > > > > > that to be a great resource of learning astrology.I'll give > my > > > > answer > > > > > to your question now.. > > > > > > > > > > If AL & UL combined,the native will have good harmonic > > > > > relationship with his wife.This is assured if Venus is well > > > placed > > > > > with respect to AL and if AK & DK are mutually well placed.In > > the > > > > > combination you mentioned the lords of AL and UL will be the > > same > > > > > planet,so the native's image and reputation may rise after > the > > > > > marriage.We should also check some other factors before > > deciding > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > Simple rule is,just check the placement of any arudha > pada > > > with > > > > > respect to AL and decide the results.These are some basic > > rules > > > and > > > > > we should analyse the other aspects of the horoscope before > > > > > concluding. > > > > > > > > > > It is said that if UL is 12th from AL then the native > > rejects > > > > the > > > > > spouse.But this is not the ONLY combination which makes the > > > native > > > > to > > > > > reject his/her spouse.As i said earlied check the mutual > > > placement > > > > of > > > > > AK & DK. > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to the point,placement of UL with respect to > > > > > lagna.This is very important.We know that UL tells about > > nature > > > of > > > > > spouse and spouse's family.If UL is placed in 9th house...it > > may > > > > > indicate the below said things, > > > > > > > > > > - Native fortune(9th house) comes/rises after marriage > > > > > - Native may marry some one from his paternal(father - 9th > > > > house) > > > > > relation. > > > > > - Native's marriage related doshas will get removed just by > > > > > visiting temples(9th house),following Dharmic life(9th house) > > > > > > > > > > Some more things like this shall be predicted by seeing > all > > > the > > > > > karakatwas of 9th bhava.Now you try to think about placement > > of > > > UL > > > > in > > > > > other houses.Logic is simple ..see the karakatwas of the > bhava > > > and > > > > > predict the results.Also think about the placement of other > > padas > > > > > with respect to lagna and AL. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > krithi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vivahsearch" > > > > > <vivahsearch> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Guruji's > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls shed some light on the case where AL and UL are in the > > same > > > > > sign > > > > > > of Virgo in 9th House > > > > > > > > > > > > Karan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Anurag Sharma, Comments below. with regards, Rafal Gendarz > Dear Rafal,> > Thank you for your interjection.> > Almost all the points you mention appear to be valid from what I > have read on the matter.> > I was mainly seeking to clarify the point regarding the judgment of > the probable Lagna (a true life partner) from the UL/ the 7th from > it if the latter is stronger. Sanjay Ji has consistently taught that > both the 1st and the 7th are satyapeetha and the stronger should be > judged. Yes. Sure. > > Regarding the 'exhausting' of the first UL, I think it is a > subjective question. For example, consider the situation in my own > chart: 11th June, 1972; Cuttack, Orissa, India; 10:17 AM. The UL is > in the 8th House with 38 bindus in the SAV with the UL Lord placed > in the 5th House from Lagna. Guru is Vakri showing some Karmic > desire from the past. In the Guru Dasha, I have found the Graha to > give very powerful results. I think the retrogression of the Grahas > shows a tendency to delay but not necessarily adversity in the Graha > itself unless the Graha is exalted. Vakra Graha has powerful Bala, hence desire is very strong, Rahu is natural Vakra also have it. Vakra planets in trikona when powerfull is very good, my Guruji said it is like Saint giving blessings everywhere. This Jupiter is Savior of this UL being in 8H. > > In any case, I am single and believe that the UL is not exhausted > considering the power of the UL and the lord thereof. I also think > that the 2nd Lord from UL, Mars is Yogakaraka and reasonably placed > and so a UL relationship is unlikely to have not fructified into > marriage. Mars is not so well-placed, it is in enemy sign in 8 from AL, but it wont exhauste UL, but will give arguments in marriage and strifes. Of course the Darapada is in Taurus and links the UL with > A7 through Lordship. Since the A7 has Sun and Moon and Saturn, the > mind and soul could go into relationships (A7) and make them seem > like potential UL stuff.> > I tend to think that marriage for this chart would be Karmic, > perhaps involving the element of a second marriage (8th House), with And 8L is aspecting UL also. > natal 7th Lord in the 2nd House in Navamsha and the 2nd Lord of > Navamsha in the 7th House. Or it could mean marrying someone endowed > with wealth (2nd)/ both. Guruji told me: It usually mean marry the man/woman who was married. > > What are your views on this matter? Can you see tendencies relating > to the future marriage and characteristics that it might have: love, > work related etc? It can be some strifes, extremes, Mars aspecting 8H. This person can be also overprotective and angry sometimes (Mars in Navamsa Lagna and also very knowledgable (Ju in 9 from 7H), doing some occult job (Ke in 4 in D-9). Jupiter will be the Savior all the time, the followers / students / children (PK). Hope it helps. > > Your attention is appreciated.> > Best wishes.> > Anurag Sharma.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Dear Balaji, Strength means if a Rashi is devoid of Graha while the 7th is with a Graha, then it would be stronger. These sources of strength are applied in Narayan Dasha and other Dasha. Sometimes the Rashi associating with Atmakaraka is stronger, though not in Narayan Dasha. If there are equal no. of Grahas in the Rashis, then the Rashi Drishti of more Grahas would make a Rashi stronger. If the strength is still equal, then the strength of the lord of the respective Rashis has to be seen, like exaltation etc. Best wishes. Anurag Sharma. vedic astrology, "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > Dear anuraagji > > Sorry to interrupt your conversation with Krithiji.I just want to understand what u mean by stronger than....Whether..exaltation/aspect...etc. > > Please clearly tell me the meaning of the word.stronger than. > > Thanks and regards > Balaji G > > anuraagsharma27 <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > Dear Krithi, > > Thank you for your opinion. I agree. It was just the situation where > the 7th from the UL is stronger, merely for the judgment of the > Lagna of the spouse. For all other matters, I believe the Ul should > be the indicator. > > Best wishes. > > Anurag. > > > > > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > Dear Anurag, > > > > Namaste ! > > > > In my opinion,UL never looses it significance.UL may be very > weaker > > than any other house but still it is the house which describes the > > attributes of one's spouse and spouse's family.Even for > frutification > > of second marriage and so on..the deity and day of first UL is > very > > important for Fasting. > > > > To my knowledge,Ideal lagna of spouse could be UL ,Trines to UL > and > > 7th from UL.Some times the planets in UL and Trines to it decides > the > > lagna of spouse.If we choose the spouse by following this rule > then > > the possibility of breaking of marriage in mutual Willingness > won't > > occur.I mean to say that this reduces the difference of opinions > b/w > > the couples and give good harmony in their relationship. > > > > One very important thing to take care while matching the > > horoscopes is to see the tathva's related to native's UL and the > > spouse's lagna.If both these tathvas are mutual conflicting then > it > > is better to avoid such match. > > > > Remember to consider other matchings also. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Best Regards, > > > > krithi > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Krithi, > > > > > > In your experience, while Judging the Lagna of the spouse from > the > > > UL, if the 7th from the UL is stronger, does the UL Rashi lose > > > significance totally and the Rashis in trines to the UL ignored > as > > > possible matches? Or, is it that there is a 'choice' between > > > determining the probable Lagna of the spouse from the UL or the > 7th > > > from it? > > > > > > Look forward to your input. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > > > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > Namaste ! > > > > > > > > Hope you read Narayanji's reply to your mail.I fully agree > > with > > > > him.If UL is 12th from AL in any chart,there could be > difference > > > of > > > > opinions between native and his/her spouse.But this difference > of > > > > opinion will get reduced if the native's spouse's lagna is > trines > > > to > > > > native's UL.In this case the tatwas becomes same and it helps > a > > > lot > > > > in nullifying the problems due to bad placement of UL with > > respect > > > to > > > > AL. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Mr.Krithi ) > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_lakshmi_b" > > > > <jyothi_lakshmi_b> wrote: > > > > > Dear krithi, > > > > > > > > > > If UL is in 12th of AL , does the native > abandons > > > the > > > > > spouse or will the native be abondoned by the spouse? Though > in > > > > > effect both are same, who will take the initiative? How can > we > > > > > identify the reasons for abandoning.? Kindly clear these > doubts > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Krithigaivasan > > > > > Radhakrishnan" <krithi.hayagriva@g...> wrote: > > > > > > || Haya Mukha Siddhi Rastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Karan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste ! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you explore the older mails of this group,you will > > > surely > > > > > find > > > > > > that to be a great resource of learning astrology.I'll > give > > my > > > > > answer > > > > > > to your question now.. > > > > > > > > > > > > If AL & UL combined,the native will have good harmonic > > > > > > relationship with his wife.This is assured if Venus is > well > > > > placed > > > > > > with respect to AL and if AK & DK are mutually well > placed.In > > > the > > > > > > combination you mentioned the lords of AL and UL will be > the > > > same > > > > > > planet,so the native's image and reputation may rise after > > the > > > > > > marriage.We should also check some other factors before > > > deciding > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple rule is,just check the placement of any arudha > > pada > > > > with > > > > > > respect to AL and decide the results.These are some basic > > > rules > > > > and > > > > > > we should analyse the other aspects of the horoscope > before > > > > > > concluding. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that if UL is 12th from AL then the native > > > rejects > > > > > the > > > > > > spouse.But this is not the ONLY combination which makes > the > > > > native > > > > > to > > > > > > reject his/her spouse.As i said earlied check the mutual > > > > placement > > > > > of > > > > > > AK & DK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to the point,placement of UL with respect > to > > > > > > lagna.This is very important.We know that UL tells about > > > nature > > > > of > > > > > > spouse and spouse's family.If UL is placed in 9th > house...it > > > may > > > > > > indicate the below said things, > > > > > > > > > > > > - Native fortune(9th house) comes/rises after marriage > > > > > > - Native may marry some one from his paternal(father - > 9th > > > > > house) > > > > > > relation. > > > > > > - Native's marriage related doshas will get removed just > by > > > > > > visiting temples(9th house),following Dharmic life(9th > house) > > > > > > > > > > > > Some more things like this shall be predicted by seeing > > all > > > > the > > > > > > karakatwas of 9th bhava.Now you try to think about > placement > > > of > > > > UL > > > > > in > > > > > > other houses.Logic is simple ..see the karakatwas of the > > bhava > > > > and > > > > > > predict the results.Also think about the placement of > other > > > padas > > > > > > with respect to lagna and AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > krithi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vivahsearch" > > > > > > <vivahsearch> wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Guruji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls shed some light on the case where AL and UL are in > the > > > same > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > of Virgo in 9th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karan > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Dear Rafal, Thank you for your views. They impart objectivity to one's own chart. Once again, I agree with your interpretation. By second marriage, I also implied marrying someone already married before. With Guru in the 5th House with Chesta Bal, it could show fulfilling a destined Karmic love, even if the superficial traits of the Mars-Venus Rashi Drishti to UL also manifest. Mars in Navamsha Lagna shows my temperament. The Rashi Drishti of the Gajkesrai Yoga from the 3rd Bhava in Navamsha curtails unreasonableness in anger but once roused due to vulgarity, it has benn difficult to control, especially in the Rahu Dasha till 1997. Why did you judge the temperament of the spouse from Mangal in Navamsha Lagna? Don't you think Budh in the 7th H will have slightly more to offer. Mars is perhaps more focal for me. Also, it might indicate marrying to a person with a higher status than one's own, due to exaltation of the UL Lord in Navamsha. Your Guru is right. This Brihaspati completely altered life from Rahu MD. First mythic thought, then Jyotish, then alteration of the physical body, all these results have been gicen by this Guru. This has been the greatest protection in the terribly Karmic and transformatory Sade-Sati and Kantak Shani, offering its material wealth and relative wisdom through the exclusion of the Lord of Karma Shani in the SS. Rafal, the Meena Navamsha Narayan dasha is extremely illustrative of the Dharmic changes in my personality, and ALSO IN THE "VISIBLE DHARMIC PERSONALITY' SHOWN BY THE AL IN NAVAMSHA. I understand that you cited Prashna Marga to show that AL had degree but intuitively I feel that the visible personality can be seen from the independently calculated AL in Navamsha and other Vargas. Sanjay Ji has also used this in all his works, as has PVR Narasimha Rao. Once again, your view are expected as valuable objective inputs on the chart. Best Wishes and regards. Anurag Sharma. vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote: > II Hare Rama Krsna II > Dear Anurag Sharma, > > Comments below. > > with regards, > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Thank you for your interjection. > > > > Almost all the points you mention appear to be valid from what I > > have read on the matter. > > > > I was mainly seeking to clarify the point regarding the judgment of > > the probable Lagna (a true life partner) from the UL/ the 7th from > > it if the latter is stronger. Sanjay Ji has consistently taught that > > both the 1st and the 7th are satyapeetha and the stronger should be > > judged. > > Yes. Sure. > > > > > Regarding the 'exhausting' of the first UL, I think it is a > > subjective question. For example, consider the situation in my own > > chart: 11th June, 1972; Cuttack, Orissa, India; 10:17 AM. The UL is > > in the 8th House with 38 bindus in the SAV with the UL Lord placed > > in the 5th House from Lagna. Guru is Vakri showing some Karmic > > desire from the past. In the Guru Dasha, I have found the Graha to > > give very powerful results. I think the retrogression of the Grahas > > shows a tendency to delay but not necessarily adversity in the Graha > itself unless the Graha is exalted. > > Vakra Graha has powerful Bala, hence desire is very strong, > Rahu is natural Vakra also have it. Vakra planets in trikona > when powerfull is very good, my Guruji said it is like Saint > giving blessings everywhere. This Jupiter is Savior of this UL > being in 8H. > > > > > > In any case, I am single and believe that the UL is not exhausted > > considering the power of the UL and the lord thereof. I also think > > that the 2nd Lord from UL, Mars is Yogakaraka and reasonably placed > > and so a UL relationship is unlikely to have not fructified into > > marriage. > > Mars is not so well-placed, it is in enemy sign in 8 from AL, > but it wont exhauste UL, but will give arguments in marriage and > strifes. > > Of course the Darapada is in Taurus and links the UL with > > A7 through Lordship. Since the A7 has Sun and Moon and Saturn, the > > mind and soul could go into relationships (A7) and make them seem > > like potential UL stuff. > > > > I tend to think that marriage for this chart would be Karmic, > > perhaps involving the element of a second marriage (8th House), with > > And 8L is aspecting UL also. > > > natal 7th Lord in the 2nd House in Navamsha and the 2nd Lord of > > Navamsha in the 7th House. Or it could mean marrying someone endowed > > with wealth (2nd)/ both. > > Guruji told me: > It usually mean marry the man/woman who was married. > > > > > > > What are your views on this matter? Can you see tendencies relating > to the future marriage and characteristics that it might have: love, > > work related etc? > > It can be some strifes, extremes, Mars aspecting 8H. > This person can be also overprotective and angry sometimes (Mars in Navamsa Lagna and also very knowledgable (Ju in 9 from 7H), > doing some occult job (Ke in 4 in D-9). > Jupiter will be the Savior all the time, the followers / students / children (PK). > > Hope it helps. > > > > > > Your attention is appreciated. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Dear Anurag Sharma, Comments below. with regards, Rafal Gendarz Dear Rafal,> > Thank you for your views. They impart objectivity to one's own > chart. Once again, I agree with your interpretation.> > By second marriage, I also implied marrying someone already married > before. With Guru in the 5th House with Chesta Bal, it could show > fulfilling a destined Karmic love, even if the superficial traits of > the Mars-Venus Rashi Drishti to UL also manifest.> > Mars in Navamsha Lagna shows my temperament. The Rashi Drishti of > the Gajkesrai Yoga from the 3rd Bhava in Navamsha curtails > unreasonableness in anger but once roused due to vulgarity, it has > benn difficult to control, especially in the Rahu Dasha till 1997.> > Why did you judge the temperament of the spouse from Mangal in > Navamsha Lagna? Don't you think Budh in the 7th H will have slightly > more to offer. Mars is perhaps more focal for me. Yes. Character will be dominated by planets in Trikona to 7H, but what he is doing is whole Navamsa. Mars in 7 gives over-protectivness. Mars in Your Navamsa Lagna tells about You in relation. Mars. > > Also, it might indicate marrying to a person with a higher status > than one's own, due to exaltation of the UL Lord in Navamsha.> > Your Guru is right. This Brihaspati completely altered life from > Rahu MD. First mythic thought, then Jyotish, then alteration of the > physical body, all these results have been gicen by this Guru. This > has been the greatest protection in the terribly Karmic and > transformatory Sade-Sati and Kantak Shani, offering its material > wealth and relative wisdom through the exclusion of the Lord of > Karma Shani in the SS.> > Rafal, the Meena Navamsha Narayan dasha is extremely illustrative of > the Dharmic changes in my personality, and ALSO IN THE "VISIBLE > DHARMIC PERSONALITY' SHOWN BY THE AL IN NAVAMSHA. Pay attention to starting Narayana Dasa from 7L. > > I understand that you cited Prashna Marga to show that AL had degree > but intuitively I feel that the visible personality can be seen from > the independently calculated AL in Navamsha and other Vargas. Sanjay > Ji has also used this in all his works, as has PVR Narasimha Rao. What I wrote is not my view, it is view from my Guruji, who again was take it from Sanjay Ji. I talked with Him a lot about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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