Fwd: ----illicit relationships---role of 12th jupiter, asp

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar All

 

Jupiter does not increase the Licentious nature of Sexual Matters.

Jupiter facilitates or removes obstacles to a particular desire

especially if Mars is involved.

 

Mars and Venus cause the sexual desires to overflow. Mars turns to

passion especially when it is connected with Venus. Mars puts energy

behind Love and wants to act. The act itself is of procreation. For

the act, a suitable environment is needed. Jupiter can create that

environment if placed well. The 12th house placement shows environment

and not the actual act.

 

The analysis should not end in here. Furthermore, Jupiter being the

natural karaka for husband, it should protect the marriage. But what

if, the girl thinks of the 2nd man as closer to husband material (in

case of girl). This can happen with vipreet buddhi. Affliction to Moon

and Mercury can cause this. Misplaced emotions and analysis.

 

Jupiter in the 12th house also shows the house of giving. It may

sacrifice the body for the pleasure of the other one. This ofcourse

has to be related to other possible combinations.

 

I think such a subject should be related in depth and not in a single

or two combinations.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

vedic astrology, shyam murti gupta

<smurti_gupta> wrote:

> Respected GuruJan,

> "Does this mean Illicit relationsships as 12H Jupiter gives loose

morals"

> "Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases the

licentious nature in sexual matters."

> I just wish to concur with Utpal ji citing my own case where

Jupiter (Le) is 12th from moon (Vi) apected by swaxetri Venus (Ta) and

Mars (Q) but not that short of happend so for.

> with best regards

> sincerely

> shy

>

> Note: forwarded message attached.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Sunil Kumarji,

> Namaste,

>

> <Does this mean Illicit relationsships as 12H Jupiter gives loose

morals.>

>

>

> Sorry to intervene here. 12H Jupiter gives loose moral is a

extremely generalise statement. It all depends upon strength/weakness

of Jupiter and many other things. i am sure you surely know this.

>

> i know many people who has Ju in 12th. my very close friend has Ju

in 12th in Dhanu and he is spottlessly clean in Character.

>

> "Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases the

licentious nature in sexual matters."

>

> in my own chart, Mars, Venus & Sun are in 2nd in Dhanu in D9

Aspected by Jupier who is with Ketu palced in leo.

>

> in my Rashi chart Mars + Venus in Lagna aspected strongly by Guru

from 7th from Dhanu. I never ever went outside marriage line before or

after marriage and never shall it happen.

>

> forgive me to flash light of caution to already a learned.

>

> best regards,

>

> Utpal Pathak

>

>

>

> sunilkumar varanasi <skumar_varanasi> wrote:

> Jai Sai Ram

>

> Respected Members & Guru ji's/Shri PVR Ji,

>

> I read Jupiter in 12H in Raasi chart will give good sexual

pleasure.Does this mean Illicit relationsships as 12H Jupiter gives

loose morals.

>

> "Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases the

licentious nature in sexual matters."

>

>

> Also does the above sentence holds good for venus and mars in 2H

from AL in Navamsa with Guru's aspect (9th vision).

>

> Thanks and Regards,

>

> Sunil Kumar Varanasi

>

>

>

> "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: Dear Tarun,

>

> Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases the

licentious nature in sexual matters.

>

> According to Puranic stories, Brihaspati raped an unwilling Mamata,

wife of Brihaspati's elder brother Utathya. The child born due to

Brihaspati's moment of weakness, Kacha, was brilliant and he is the

one who learnt the Mrita Sanjivini mantra from Sukracharya, teacher of

demons.

>

> Of course, even Brihaspati had to pay for his karma. His own wife

Tara fell in love with Moon and had a child with Moon, giving much

grief to Brihaspati. Mercury was born to Tara as a result and Jupiter

accepted him as his son later.

>

> So Jupiter is associated with two stories of immoral extra-marital

affairs - once on the receiving end and once once on the other end.

>

> Though mythological stories help us sometimes to make sense of

astrological combinations, a better way to appreciate those stories is

by understanding the metaphors in them. Puranic stories are full of

metaphors. I am not saying that the stories are unreal. They may be a

real in a different space or a different loka. However, given that

each human being is a microcosm of the entire universe and that

various lokas, devas and asuras exist in each human being, one can see

that various Puranic stories are re-occurring within each human being

at various times, metaphorically speaking.

>

> For example, let us understand the metaphors in the above stories.

>

> Who is Brihaspati? As astrologers, we know that Jupiter shows the

wisdom and intelligence in a person. He shows the dhee of a person.

What does Mamata show? Mamata means ego-centricism, selfishness etc

(mama-ta=mine-ness). In other words, Mamata of mythology is a metaphor

for the selfishness within us.

>

> Is ego-centricism/selfishness the correct companion to wisdom? Of

course not. No wonder, Mamata is not Brihaspati's wife. Brihaspati's

wife is Tara. By the meaning of name, Tara stands for a radiant and

brilliant protecting force that carries across. Such a force is the

right companion to wisdom. While male element shows the existential

potentiality, female element shows the engulfing energy and the actual

manifestation. Thus, Brihaspati's manifestation is thru the energy of

Tara. No wonder the purpose of wisdom, intelligence and dhee is to

radiate brilliance, protect one and carry one across. That is how

wisdom is supposed to manifest!

>

> Also no wonder Rishi DirghaTamas was Mamata's son thru her real

husband Utathya. Utathya could mean certainty or confidence that comes

with great learning. That confidence is born before wisdom (elder

brother). When such great confidence combines with ego-centricism,

excellent knowledge is born which is also blind forever. No wonder,

Utathya and Mamata had a child named Dirgha Tamas (long darkness), who

was very learned but blind.

>

> Anyway, coming back to the main story, ego-centricism and

selfishness are not the correct companion to wisdom. But, if wisdom

finds selfishness attractive and combines with it once, it is not bad

after all. Without some selfishness, a lot of abilities of wisdom go

wasted in a sense! When Brihaspati (wisdom) combined with

non-cooperative selfishness (Mamata), it resulted in the birth of

practically inclined brilliance (Kacha)!

>

> Similarly, when the mind (Moon) and the brilliant protecting and

carrying force of wisdom (Tara, wife of Brihaspati) combine, the

learning ability (Mercury) is produced!!! Learning ability (Mercury)

of the product (son) of mind (Moon), but it is accepted and nurtured

by wisdom and intelligence (Jupiter).

>

> As time is short, I will not speak of the metaphors in the story of

Sukracharya, Kacha, Devayani, Asuras and Mrita Sajivini mantra.

>

> All this is just the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more to

the Puranic stories. The metaphors in Puranic stories are very

meaningful and illuminating. Sometimes, there are astrological links

to the metaphors. I am not such a good scholar in Puranic stories.

But, even with my limited knowledge, I see so much Light in those stories!

>

> I covered this to some extent in my first few Sunday classes at

Dracut, MA, USA. MP3 audio is freely downloadable at the link given below.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC

website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > hello forum members,

> >

> > i got this data frm a shri Rath's serbia website.

> >

> > yogas in navamsha varga

> >

> > There are some additional Yogas such as Bahoo Stree Yoga which

were present in some of the horoscope, which is formed by mangal and

shukra influence over 2nd house, while guru influence may enhance

immorality, ketu lorded by Shri Ganesh can definitely stop it. Guru in

trines or other chastity Yogas such as dharmakarmadhipaty may also

counteract the evil influence.

> >

> > kindly suggest something that ...why guru is said to be enhancing

immorality ..

> >

> > because many members have previously said that Guru is guru its

totally of nice morals...

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > tarun.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Too much spam in your inbox? Mail gives you the best spam

protection for FREE!

> http://in.mail.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

>

>

> vedic astrology

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail Mobile

> Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your comments on this subject.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil kumar Varanasibharateiya <bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Namaskaar AllJupiter does not increase the Licentious nature of Sexual

Matters.Jupiter facilitates or removes obstacles to a particular

desireespecially if Mars is involved. Mars and Venus cause the sexual desires

to overflow. Mars turns topassion especially when it is connected with Venus.

Mars puts energybehind Love and wants to act. The act itself is of procreation.

Forthe act, a suitable environment is needed. Jupiter can create thatenvironment

if placed well. The 12th house placement shows environmentand not the actual

act. The analysis should not end in here. Furthermore, Jupiter being thenatural

karaka for husband, it should protect the marriage. But whatif, the girl thinks

of the 2nd man as closer to husband material (incase of girl). This can happen

with vipreet buddhi. Affliction to Moonand Mercury can

cause this. Misplaced emotions and analysis. Jupiter in the 12th house also

shows the house of giving. It maysacrifice the body for the pleasure of the

other one. This ofcoursehas to be related to other possible combinations.I

think such a subject should be related in depth and not in a singleor two

combinations.Thanks and RegardsBharatvedic astrology,

shyam murti gupta<smurti_gupta> wrote:> Respected GuruJan,> "Does this

mean Illicit relationsships as 12H Jupiter gives loosemorals"> "Guru's aspect

on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases thelicentious nature in sexual

matters."> I just wish to concur with Utpal ji citing my own case

whereJupiter (Le) is 12th from moon (Vi) apected by swaxetri Venus (Ta) andMars

(Q) but not that short of happend so for.> with best regards>

sincerely> shy> > Note: forwarded message attached.> > > > >

> > Tired of

spam? Mail has the best spam protection around >

> Dear Sunil Kumarji,> Namaste,> > <Does this mean Illicit relationsships as

12H Jupiter gives loosemorals.>> > > Sorry to intervene here. 12H Jupiter

gives loose moral is aextremely generalise statement. It all depends upon

strength/weaknessof Jupiter and many other things. i am sure you surely know

this.> > i know many people who has Ju in 12th. my very close friend has Juin

12th in Dhanu and he is spottlessly clean in Character.> > "Guru's aspect on

Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases thelicentious

nature in sexual matters."> > in my own chart, Mars, Venus & Sun are in 2nd in

Dhanu in D9Aspected by Jupier who is with Ketu palced in leo.> > in my Rashi

chart Mars + Venus in Lagna aspected strongly by Gurufrom 7th from Dhanu. I

never ever went outside marriage line before orafter marriage and never shall

it happen.> > forgive me to flash light of caution to already a learned.> >

best regards,> > Utpal Pathak> > > > sunilkumar varanasi

<skumar_varanasi> wrote:> Jai Sai Ram> > Respected Members & Guru

ji's/Shri PVR Ji,> > I read Jupiter in 12H in Raasi chart will give good

sexualpleasure.Does this mean Illicit relationsships as 12H Jupiter givesloose

morals.> > "Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases

thelicentious nature in

sexual matters."> > > Also does the above sentence holds good for venus and

mars in 2Hfrom AL in Navamsa with Guru's aspect (9th vision).> > Thanks and

Regards,> > Sunil Kumar Varanasi> > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>

wrote: Dear Tarun,> > Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa

increases thelicentious nature in sexual matters.> > According to Puranic

stories, Brihaspati raped an unwilling Mamata,wife of Brihaspati's elder

brother Utathya. The child born due toBrihaspati's moment of weakness, Kacha,

was brilliant and he is theone who learnt the Mrita Sanjivini mantra from

Sukracharya, teacher ofdemons.> > Of course, even Brihaspati had to pay for

his karma. His own wifeTara fell in love with Moon and had a child with Moon,

giving muchgrief to Brihaspati. Mercury was

born to Tara as a result and Jupiteraccepted him as his son later.> > So

Jupiter is associated with two stories of immoral extra-maritalaffairs - once

on the receiving end and once once on the other end.> > Though mythological

stories help us sometimes to make sense ofastrological combinations, a better

way to appreciate those stories isby understanding the metaphors in them.

Puranic stories are full ofmetaphors. I am not saying that the stories are

unreal. They may be areal in a different space or a different loka. However,

given thateach human being is a microcosm of the entire universe and

thatvarious lokas, devas and asuras exist in each human being, one can seethat

various Puranic stories are re-occurring within each human beingat various

times, metaphorically speaking.> > For example, let us understand the

metaphors in the above stories.> > Who is Brihaspati?

As astrologers, we know that Jupiter shows thewisdom and intelligence in a

person. He shows the dhee of a person.What does Mamata show? Mamata means

ego-centricism, selfishness etc(mama-ta=mine-ness). In other words, Mamata of

mythology is a metaphorfor the selfishness within us.> > Is

ego-centricism/selfishness the correct companion to wisdom? Ofcourse not. No

wonder, Mamata is not Brihaspati's wife. Brihaspati'swife is Tara. By the

meaning of name, Tara stands for a radiant andbrilliant protecting force that

carries across. Such a force is theright companion to wisdom. While male

element shows the existentialpotentiality, female element shows the engulfing

energy and the actualmanifestation. Thus, Brihaspati's manifestation is thru

the energy ofTara. No wonder the purpose of wisdom, intelligence and dhee is

toradiate brilliance, protect one and carry one across. That is howwisdom is

supposed to

manifest!> > Also no wonder Rishi DirghaTamas was Mamata's son thru her

realhusband Utathya. Utathya could mean certainty or confidence that comeswith

great learning. That confidence is born before wisdom (elderbrother). When such

great confidence combines with ego-centricism,excellent knowledge is born which

is also blind forever. No wonder,Utathya and Mamata had a child named Dirgha

Tamas (long darkness), whowas very learned but blind.> > Anyway, coming back

to the main story, ego-centricism andselfishness are not the correct companion

to wisdom. But, if wisdomfinds selfishness attractive and combines with it

once, it is not badafter all. Without some selfishness, a lot of abilities of

wisdom gowasted in a sense! When Brihaspati (wisdom) combined

withnon-cooperative selfishness (Mamata), it resulted in the birth

ofpractically inclined brilliance (Kacha)!> > Similarly, when

the mind (Moon) and the brilliant protecting andcarrying force of wisdom (Tara,

wife of Brihaspati) combine, thelearning ability (Mercury) is produced!!!

Learning ability (Mercury)of the product (son) of mind (Moon), but it is

accepted and nurturedby wisdom and intelligence (Jupiter).> > As time is

short, I will not speak of the metaphors in the story ofSukracharya, Kacha,

Devayani, Asuras and Mrita Sajivini mantra.> > All this is just the tip of the

iceberg. There is so much more tothe Puranic stories. The metaphors in Puranic

stories are verymeaningful and illuminating. Sometimes, there are astrological

linksto the metaphors. I am not such a good scholar in Puranic stories.But,

even with my limited knowledge, I see so much Light in those stories!> > I

covered this to some extent in my first few Sunday classes atDracut, MA, USA.

MP3 audio is freely downloadable at the link given

below.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha>

-------------------------------> Free Jyotish

lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software

(Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJCwebsite:

http://www.SriJagannath.org>

-------------------------------> > > > > > > >

> > hello forum members,> > > > i got this data frm a shri Rath's serbia

website. > > > > yogas in navamsha varga> > > > There are some additional

Yogas such as Bahoo Stree Yoga whichwere present in some of the horoscope,

which is formed by mangal andshukra influence

over 2nd house, while guru influence may enhanceimmorality, ketu lorded by Shri

Ganesh can definitely stop it. Guru intrines or other chastity Yogas such as

dharmakarmadhipaty may alsocounteract the evil influence.> > > > kindly suggest

something that ...why guru is said to be enhancingimmorality ..> > > > because

many members have previously said that Guru is guru itstotally of nice

morals...> > > > thanks> > > > tarun.> > > > Archives:

vedic astrology> > Group info:

vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......> >

> > > > >

> Too much spam in your inbox? Mail

gives you the best spamprotection for FREE!> http://in.mail. > >

Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info:

vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu

|| > > > > >

> > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.> > To

from this group, send an email to:>

vedic astrology> > Your use of

is subject to the Terms ofService. > > >

> > > > >

> Mail Mobile> Take Mail with

you! Check email on your mobile phone.Archives:

vedic astrologyGroup info:

vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE:

Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......

How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends n family photos for

FREE with Photos. http://in.photos.