Puranic Stories (----illicit relationships---role of jupiter) 2-Utpal Ji

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Dear Utpal Ji,

 

Namaste,

We had discussed earlier about Illicit relationships.As the topic of role of

jupiter is raised & the puranic happenings as told by Shri.PVR ji (which i read

earlier also) I am keen in knowing the jupiters role in this.

 

As 12H also shows bedroom pleasures.I heard that jupiter in 12H makes the native

to enjoy good bedroom pleasures.This may mean more inclinatiion or ability to

have sexual pleasure. & it may be with his own wife also ( I still doubt)Though

we can know from the other planets about the illicit relationships i am

interested to know the role of Jupiter (retro or non retro) in this.

 

And i had seen one native chart where we can say the illicit relationships in

his chart are due to venus & other planets i like to know ....whether 12H

jupiter also is involved..Hope you are correct as this will be beneficial to

the native as he has to undergo Jupiters mahadasa in future.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Sunil Kumar Varanasi

 

Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear Sunil Kumarji,

Namaste,

 

<Does this mean Illicit relationsships as 12H Jupiter gives loose morals.>

 

Sorry to intervene here. 12H Jupiter gives loose moral is a extremely generalise

statement. It all depends upon strength/weakness of Jupiter and many other

things. i am sure you surely know this.

 

i know many people who has Ju in 12th. my very close friend has Ju in 12th in

Dhanu and he is spottlessly clean in Character.

 

"Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases the licentious

nature in sexual matters."

 

in my own chart, Mars, Venus & Sun are in 2nd in Dhanu in D9 Aspected by Jupier

who is with Ketu palced in leo.

in my Rashi chart Mars + Venus in Lagna aspected strongly by Guru from 7th from

Dhanu. I never ever went outside marriage line before or after marriage and

never shall it happen.

 

forgive me to flash light of caution to already a learned.

 

best regards,

 

Utpal Pathak

 

sunilkumar varanasi <skumar_varanasi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Jai Sai Ram

 

Respected Members & Guru ji's/Shri PVR Ji,

 

I read Jupiter in 12H in Raasi chart will give good sexual pleasure.Does this

mean Illicit relationsships as 12H Jupiter gives loose morals.

 

"Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases the licentious

nature in sexual matters."

 

Also does the above sentence holds good for venus and mars in 2H from AL in

Navamsa with Guru's aspect (9th vision).

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Sunil Kumar Varanasi

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Tarun,

 

Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in navamsa increases the licentious nature in sexual matters.

 

According to Puranic stories, Brihaspati raped an unwilling Mamata, wife of

Brihaspati's elder brother Utathya. The child born due to Brihaspati's moment

of weakness, Kacha, was brilliant and he is the one who learnt the Mrita

Sanjivini mantra from Sukracharya, teacher of demons.

 

Of course, even Brihaspati had to pay for his karma. His own wife Tara fell in

love with Moon and had a child with Moon, giving much grief to Brihaspati.

Mercury was born to Tara as a result and Jupiter accepted him as his son later.

 

So Jupiter is associated with two stories of immoral extra-marital affairs -

once on the receiving end and once once on the other end.

 

Though mythological stories help us sometimes to make sense of astrological

combinations, a better way to appreciate those stories is by understanding the

metaphors in them. Puranic stories are full of metaphors. I am not saying that

the stories are unreal. They may be a real in a different space or a different

loka. However, given that each human being is a microcosm of the entire

universe and that various lokas, devas and asuras exist in each human being,

one can see that various Puranic stories are re-occurring within each human

being at various times, metaphorically speaking.

 

For example, let us understand the metaphors in the above stories.

 

Who is Brihaspati? As astrologers, we know that Jupiter shows the wisdom and

intelligence in a person. He shows the dhee of a person. What does Mamata show?

Mamata means ego-centricism, selfishness etc (mama-ta=mine-ness). In other

words, Mamata of mythology is a metaphor for the selfishness within us.

 

Is ego-centricism/selfishness the correct companion to wisdom? Of course not. No

wonder, Mamata is not Brihaspati's wife. Brihaspati's wife is Tara. By the

meaning of name, Tara stands for a radiant and brilliant protecting force that

carries across. Such a force is the right companion to wisdom. While male

element shows the existential potentiality, female element shows the engulfing

energy and the actual manifestation. Thus, Brihaspati's manifestation is thru

the energy of Tara. No wonder the purpose of wisdom, intelligence and dhee is

to radiate brilliance, protect one and carry one across. That is how wisdom is

supposed to manifest!

 

Also no wonder Rishi DirghaTamas was Mamata's son thru her real husband Utathya.

Utathya could mean certainty or confidence that comes with great learning. That

confidence is born before wisdom (elder brother). When such great confidence

combines with ego-centricism, excellent knowledge is born which is also blind

forever. No wonder, Utathya and Mamata had a child named Dirgha Tamas (long

darkness), who was very learned but blind.

 

Anyway, coming back to the main story, ego-centricism and selfishness are not

the correct companion to wisdom. But, if wisdom finds selfishness attractive

and combines with it once, it is not bad after all. Without some selfishness, a

lot of abilities of wisdom go wasted in a sense! When Brihaspati (wisdom)

combined with non-cooperative selfishness (Mamata), it resulted in the birth of

practically inclined brilliance (Kacha)!

 

Similarly, when the mind (Moon) and the brilliant protecting and carrying force

of wisdom (Tara, wife of Brihaspati) combine, the learning ability (Mercury) is

produced!!! Learning ability (Mercury) of the product (son) of mind (Moon), but

it is accepted and nurtured by wisdom and intelligence (Jupiter).

 

As time is short, I will not speak of the metaphors in the story of Sukracharya,

Kacha, Devayani, Asuras and Mrita Sajivini mantra.

 

All this is just the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more to the Puranic

stories. The metaphors in Puranic stories are very meaningful and illuminating.

Sometimes, there are astrological links to the metaphors. I am not such a good

scholar in Puranic stories. But, even with my limited knowledge, I see so much

Light in those stories!

 

I covered this to some extent in my first few Sunday classes at Dracut, MA, USA.

MP3 audio is freely downloadable at the link given below.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> hello forum members,> > i got this data frm a shri Rath's serbia website. > >

yogas in navamsha varga> > There are some additional Yogas such as Bahoo

Stree Yoga which were present in some of the horoscope, which is formed by

mangal and shukra influence over 2nd house, while guru influence may enhance

immorality, ketu lorded by Shri Ganesh can definitely stop it. Guru in trines

or other chastity Yogas such as dharmakarmadhipaty may also counteract the evil

influence.> > kindly suggest something that ...why guru is said to be enhancing

immorality ..> > because many members have previously said that Guru is guru

its totally of nice morals...> > thanks> > tarun.Archives:

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