Student or Guru? (Is Rafal Genderaz a Student or Guru?)

July 2, 2005

Dear friend,

I understand your motivation in asking this and I don't mean disrespect or insensitivity to anyone.

But I just want to say a word about the more generic question of accepting the

words of "Proper Gurus" of SJC as a gospel (I am not saying that you are

suggesting that).

I am one of the designated Jyotish Gurus of SJC and one of the earlier ones. I

know for a fact that my knowledge has evolved a long way from where it was when

Sanjay ji decided a few years back that I was fit to be a guru. Even today, I am

not fully satisfied with my knowledge and constantly keep learning things and

refining my understanding. I will never make a representation to anyone that I

have perfect or nearly perfect knowledge. Still I will share my knowledge with

others because even my half-baked knowledge may be a valuable treasure to

somebody.

Even Pt Sanjay Rath, the Parama Guru of SJC, does not have perfect knowledge. I

say this with all the respect and humility that I can possess. He himself said

so. There were errors in his teachings and there may be more that we will find

in future. I always maintained respect and, at the same time, the spirit of

honest intellectual enquiry. And, there were occasions when my intellectual

independence proved worthwhile. For example, Sanjay and I disagreed on Moola

dasa definition and he later agreed with me. Sanjay taught Drigdasa one way and

I had it in JHora that way for a long time. I taught it the same way in my book

also. But, sometime back, I discovered that his version was influenced more by

Narayana dasa and he had some discrepancies compared to Parasara's unambiguous

verses on Drigdasa. When I pointed it out, Sanjay ji looked at the verses and

some examples and felt that Parasara was correct and his previous understanding

was wrong.

Thus, I do not take even Sanjay ji's words for granted and investigate them

myself to find the Truth! When Sanjay ji himself is fallible, how infallible

can other Gurus be?

The duty of a sincere student is to have respect for the teacher and study the

teachings with the spirit of honest intellectual enquiry and confront the

teacher when one has to disagree. A lot of people confuse between the ideal

behavior ascribed to a sishya of a diksha guru (spiritual master) and to a

sishya of a siksha guru.

Bottomline: It is good to see that some people have confidence in SJC and SJC

gurus. That is nice and I hope that SJC gurus will help you in advancing your

knowledge. But, at the same time, it should be borne in mind that we are

dealing with a very rich and complicated subject that has been corrupted for a

long time and trying to stage a renaissance. Nobody has a perfect understanding

of the teachings of maharshis and we are constantly trying to improve. SJC and

SJC Gurus will definitely make great contributions in the coming years, but we

will invariably go thru phases of correction and evolution. Basically, we

should realize that we all groping in the dark for the same Light.

No offense meant to anyone and hope none is taken!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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> Dear Rafal,> > Thanks for all your help on this forum. I was just

wondering > are you a Student of Astrology or a Proper Guru from the Jaganath

> Center? You are helping many members that is why. It is nice to know > someone

is there to help out. Take Care and Best of Luck!> > Regards,> Nava

July 4, 2005

I'd joined newly in this group . I am a Retired Engineer from Orissa. I'm using

your software Jagannath Hora Lite since long. Recently I'd downloaded the full

version 7.0 and found it excellant, for calculations and research.

With that software I tried to predict the date of marriage of my son. The

details of his Horoscope is as follows:

DOB: 17,JAN 1976 TOB: 18-05 hrs POB: ANANTAPUR , AP 77E36 / 14N41.

Now Budha dasa /Sani Bhukti / Rahu antara from 7-9-2005 to 1-2-2006

1.Budha® is in the 7th House in sravana ruled by chandra who is in his own

house in the Lagna Karkataka and Kanya Navamsa ruled by Budha.

2.Sani® is the Lord of 7th posited in his own star Pushyami and in conjunction

with Moon the Lord of Lagna, and in the Kutumba sthana in Navamsa in Simha ruled

by Ravi who is occupying the 7th House with Budha and aspected by its

Dispositor.Ravi is strongly placed in his own star U.Shada.

3. Rahu is in the Star of Visakha, ruled by Guru who is aspecting the 7th and the Lagnadhipati.

4. Ketu Dasa Starts on 13-06-2006 and Ketu is not connecting with 7th House

matters I expect that Marriage should Take place bfore Budha Dasa Ends,or

somewhere in December 2005.

Can you clarify whether Dasa Chidra gives marriage or will it obstructs, and

postpones it . Is my analysis correct or any modification is required in my

thinking?

I request you to kindly clarify.

With Regards

Sreenivas Desabhatla

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: