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Dear Friends,

 

I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the objective of

this email is not to undermine their achievements and their talents and

methodologies.

 

But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too complex for new

learners ? I know by using some very basic principles like Aspects , Nakshtras ,

Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements

and strengths along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately.

 

The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division charts , Many

types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably reach same destination

by using more easy to understand principles. And the consistency of this basic

rules to give correct results is very high.

 

Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about mentality ,

attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.

 

The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology can be very

meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give guidelines which

coupled with logical thinking one can take appropriate decisions easily. It is

therefore essential that even new learners are able to use it with little

efforts.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Anil Gogate

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Hi Anil,

 

I can understand ur feelings. It is true that astrology is

complicated. But that realisation comes only when you know more about

the subject. And that is what our scholars in this group are doing.

Enlightening us on the various hidden aspects of astrology. Make us

realise that it is not just 12 squares of signs. Isnt that an amazing

task? Moreover, I feel (sorry, if i am wrong, just expressing my

feeling), though their methods may seem complicated to us, those are

the ways of filtering and narrowing the analysis to get a precise

prediction.

If these complex anayses are not made, it may appear to others

that astrology is so simple, just a pseudo science. (As passionate

learners of astrology, we should fight it at any cost!!) Also, it is

only when a prediction go wrong , we think of the deeper aspects

which we have missed out to check. So, Is it not better to be aware

that " Oh.. the prediction went wrong becuase there were so many

other aspects to be considered which I didnt know" rather than

confusing ourself thinking "I have checked all the rules, but still

why did the prediction go wrong?"

 

Also, a new learner cannot be 'NEW' always.. he should grow and be

like the MASTERS here..for that you have to dig out all the valuable

and hidden aspects.. the moment we restrict ourselves to learning we

stop ourselvs to grow. So lets not limit ourself..at least for an

intellectual excercise :-)

Secondly, astrology is not just a pack of predictions.. it teaches

you a lot more things.. brings you closer to GOD.. makes us realise

that there are many things beyond our control..

 

These are just humble expressions of mine. Plz dont mind. ( I too had

wished if astro were simple enough that even I can master it within a

month.. but its not so .. so lets accept that fact and try to explore

and widen our knowledge by listening to what our scholars are

saying...

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the

objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and

their talents and methodologies.

>

> But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too

complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic principles

like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of houses ,

owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths along with

transits one can do predictions quite accurately.

>

> The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division

charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably

reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles.

And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is

very high.

>

> Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about

mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.

>

> The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology

can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give

guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take

appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even new

learners are able to use it with little efforts.

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Anil Gogate

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Mr. Anil

 

You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC want to

give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to

equip them with the latest books, research and software to help them

make a correct prediction every single time.

 

Jimbo Dexter

 

 

vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the

objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and

their talents and methodologies.

>

> But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too

complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic

principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners

of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths

along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately.

>

> The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division

charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably

reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles.

And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is

very high.

>

> Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about

mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.

>

> The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology

can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give

guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take

appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even

new learners are able to use it with little efforts.

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Anil Gogate

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Namaste,

 

I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for

sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts( It

is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as

charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving

results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in rashi,

from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3 kinds

of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN

event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses them

as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this

tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is raised

to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and time

tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be

answered to a reasonable satisfaction.

 

....

 

On 6/30/05, Anil VSNL <gogatea wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the objective

> of this email is not to undermine their achievements and their talents and

> methodologies.

>

> But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too complex for

> new learners ? I know by using some very basic principles like Aspects ,

> Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of houses , owners of Rashis and

> their placements and strengths along with transits one can do predictions

> quite accurately.

>

> The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division charts ,

> Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably reach same

> destination by using more easy to understand principles. And the consistency

> of this basic rules to give correct results is very high.

>

> Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about mentality

> , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.

>

> The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology can be

> very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give guidelines

> which coupled with logical thinking one can take appropriate decisions

> easily. It is therefore essential that even new learners are able to use it

> with little efforts.

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Anil Gogate

>

>

>

>

> Group info:

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Dear Jimbo,

 

Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains whether these

complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in predicting accurately ? It

is many a times easy to give a "post facto Analysis" but how many times it has

been used to predict before the event has taken place ? How much research have

been done to prove authenticity of these theories ?

 

Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is best one to

prove the medicine; has similar research been done in predicting using these

tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in a horoscope )

 

I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many simple

theories have been found to give very consistent results and are very easy to

understand and teach. Like I have never ever seen failure for predicting

implications of certain aspects Like Moon - Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc

Conjunction or Square , Moon - Neptune opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square

etc etc and this list of very simple tools and techniques where we have got

very consistent result is very high.

 

I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and discard the ones

which have not withstood test of time. Otherwise a cult or a group would get

developed which has fallen in it's own love but missing very fundamental

points.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

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Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: one thought

Mr. Anil You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC want to

give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to equip them

with the latest books, research and software to help them make a correct

prediction every single time.Jimbo Dexter--- In

vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:> Dear

Friends,> > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the

objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and their

talents and methodologies.> > But I get a feeling are we not making

Astrological Analysis too complex for new learners ? I know by using some very

basic principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of

houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths along with

transits one can do predictions quite accurately. > > The part of India we

belong we never use complex rules , Division charts , Many types of Mahadasha ,

Arudha lagna etc etc but probably reach same destination by using more easy to

understand principles. And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct

results is very high.> > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can

tell about mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.>

> The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology can be

very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give guidelines which

coupled with logical thinking one can take appropriate decisions easily. It is

therefore essential that even new learners are able to use it with little

efforts. > > > Regards,> > > Anil GogateArchives:

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vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:

> Dear Jimbo,

>

Namaskaar Sri Anil, Sri Pradeep, Sri Punditji and others

 

I am neither part of SJCC or BVB but I read books of both Sri K. N.

Rao and Sri Sanjay Rath. Instead of wanting to change either Sri Rao

or Sri Rath or debate about them, I focus on learning. If any of their

principle seem inconsistent, I reject it.

 

I do not think others follow their Gurus blindly. I have seen Sri

Narasimha hold on to what he thinks is right and yet is respectful

towards both Sri Rao and Sri Rath. There are other astrologers here

who are insightful and knowledgeable.

 

As the Veda say, be like the Hamsa - see what is milk and what is

water. Without sermonizing further, I remain

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

> Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains whether

these complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in predicting

accurately ? It is many a times easy to give a "post facto Analysis"

but how many times it has been used to predict before the event has

taken place ? How much research have been done to prove authenticity

of these theories ?

>

> Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is

best one to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in

predicting using these tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in

a horoscope )

>

> I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many

simple theories have been found to give very consistent results and

are very easy to understand and teach. Like I have never ever seen

failure for predicting implications of certain aspects Like Moon -

Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or Square , Moon - Neptune

opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and this list of very

simple tools and techniques where we have got very consistent result

is very high.

>

> I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and

discard the ones which have not withstood test of time. Otherwise a

cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own love

but missing very fundamental points.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> jimbo_dexter1

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: one thought

>

>

> Mr. Anil

>

> You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC want to

> give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to

> equip them with the latest books, research and software to help them

> make a correct prediction every single time.

>

> Jimbo Dexter

>

>

> vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the

> objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and

> their talents and methodologies.

> >

> > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too

> complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic

> principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners

> of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths

> along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately.

> >

> > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division

> charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably

> reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles.

> And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is

> very high.

> >

> > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about

> mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.

> >

> > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology

> can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give

> guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take

> appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even

> new learners are able to use it with little efforts.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > Anil Gogate

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

> a.. Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

>

> b..

> vedic astrology

>

> c.. Terms of

Service.

>

>

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Dear shri Bharat

 

Your views are highly respectable.My views are no different,and those

who have been reading for long too would agree.

 

We should be prepared to accept good from everywhere and reject

unwanted.Discretion is important.

 

As you have said,certain changes are visible,but long way to go.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "bharateiya" <bharateiya>

wrote:

> vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:

> > Dear Jimbo,

> >

> Namaskaar Sri Anil, Sri Pradeep, Sri Punditji and others

>

> I am neither part of SJCC or BVB but I read books of both Sri K. N.

> Rao and Sri Sanjay Rath. Instead of wanting to change either Sri Rao

> or Sri Rath or debate about them, I focus on learning. If any of their

> principle seem inconsistent, I reject it.

>

> I do not think others follow their Gurus blindly. I have seen Sri

> Narasimha hold on to what he thinks is right and yet is respectful

> towards both Sri Rao and Sri Rath. There are other astrologers here

> who are insightful and knowledgeable.

>

> As the Veda say, be like the Hamsa - see what is milk and what is

> water. Without sermonizing further, I remain

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

> > Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains whether

> these complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in predicting

> accurately ? It is many a times easy to give a "post facto Analysis"

> but how many times it has been used to predict before the event has

> taken place ? How much research have been done to prove authenticity

> of these theories ?

> >

> > Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is

> best one to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in

> predicting using these tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in

> a horoscope )

> >

> > I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many

> simple theories have been found to give very consistent results and

> are very easy to understand and teach. Like I have never ever seen

> failure for predicting implications of certain aspects Like Moon -

> Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or Square , Moon - Neptune

> opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and this list of very

> simple tools and techniques where we have got very consistent result

> is very high.

> >

> > I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and

> discard the ones which have not withstood test of time. Otherwise a

> cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own love

> but missing very fundamental points.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anil

> > -

> > jimbo_dexter1

> > vedic astrology

> > Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: one thought

> >

> >

> > Mr. Anil

> >

> > You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC

want to

> > give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to

> > equip them with the latest books, research and software to help

them

> > make a correct prediction every single time.

> >

> > Jimbo Dexter

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and

the

> > objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and

> > their talents and methodologies.

> > >

> > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too

> > complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic

> > principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners

> > of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths

> > along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately.

> > >

> > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division

> > charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but

probably

> > reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles.

> > And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is

> > very high.

> > >

> > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about

> > mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.

> > >

> > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe

astrology

> > can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give

> > guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take

> > appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even

> > new learners are able to use it with little efforts.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > > Anil Gogate

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

vedic astrology-

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> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

 

> >

> >

> > a.. Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

> >

> > b..

> > vedic astrology

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> Service.

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> >

> >

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As clarified earlier, I am also not connected formally to any Astro

Organisation. As Bharatji & you have said, all of the seeker seek knowledge

from everywhere and test for themselves puting it on the Testbench of

Experience.

 

if you see, my post on Sachin Tendulkar's Future, i have used the 'Principle'

given by Shri K.N.Rao . in the same manner, Knowledge from Shar Sanjay Rath is

also valuable and he has also started the process of distributing it to the

seekers.

 

I have found TP as a good tool along with Varga charts.Have you found any

Technique / Principles which has worked for you which are from SJC. or you

found none of their principles working? kindly reply on this matter honestly so

that the claim that we are seeker of knowledge from every source proves correct.

if you have really gained some good knowledge from sjc source then you please

admit it.

 

best regards,

 

utpal

 

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote:

Dear shri BharatYour views are highly respectable.My views are no different,and

thosewho have been reading for long too would agree.We should be prepared to

accept good from everywhere and rejectunwanted.Discretion is important.As you

have said,certain changes are visible,but long way to go.ThanksPradeep--- In

vedic astrology, "bharateiya" <bharateiya>wrote:> --- In

vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:> > Dear

Jimbo,> > > Namaskaar Sri Anil, Sri Pradeep, Sri Punditji and others> > I am

neither part of SJCC or BVB but I read books of both Sri K. N.> Rao and Sri

Sanjay Rath. Instead of wanting to change either Sri Rao> or Sri Rath or debate

about them, I focus on learning. If any of their>

principle seem inconsistent, I reject it. > > I do not think others follow their

Gurus blindly. I have seen Sri> Narasimha hold on to what he thinks is right and

yet is respectful> towards both Sri Rao and Sri Rath. There are other

astrologers here> who are insightful and knowledgeable. > > As the Veda say, be

like the Hamsa - see what is milk and what is> water. Without sermonizing

further, I remain> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > > > > > Giving newer and

complex tools is fine. But question remains whether> these complex theories

have been proved beyond doubt in predicting> accurately ? It is many a times

easy to give a "post facto Analysis"> but how many times it has been used to

predict before the event has> taken place ? How much research have been done

to prove authenticity> of these theories ? > >

> > Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is> best one

to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in> predicting using these

tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in> a horoscope )> > > > I am not

arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many> simple theories have

been found to give very consistent results and> are very easy to understand and

teach. Like I have never ever seen> failure for predicting implications of

certain aspects Like Moon -> Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or

Square , Moon - Neptune> opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and

this list of very> simple tools and techniques where we have got very

consistent result> is very high.> > > > I think a stage has come to honestly

review these theories and> discard the ones which have not withstood test of

time. Otherwise

a> cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own love> but

missing very fundamental points.> > > > Regards,> > > > Anil > > -----

Original Message ----- > > jimbo_dexter1 > > To:

vedic astrology > > Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM> >

[vedic astrology] Re: one thought> > > > > > Mr. Anil > > > > You

are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJCwant to > > give as

many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to > > equip them

with the latest books, research and software to helpthem > > make a correct

prediction every single time.> > > > Jimbo Dexter> >

> > > > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> > >

wrote:> > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > I am aware that there are many

learned Gurus in this forum andthe > > objective of this email is not to

undermine their achievements and > > their talents and methodologies.> > >

> > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too > >

complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic > > principles

like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners > > of houses ,

owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths > > along with transits

one can do predictions quite accurately. > > > >

> > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division > >

charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc butprobably > > reach

same destination by using more easy to understand principles. > > And the

consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is > > very high.> >

> > > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about > >

mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.> > > > >

> The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believeastrology > > can

be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give > >

guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take > > appropriate

decisions easily.

It is therefore essential that even > > new learners are able to use it with

little efforts. > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Anil

Gogate> > > > > > > > > > Archives:

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Dear Shri Utpal

 

You can address me without a Ji.

I have just begun my journey.But from whatever i have gained, 70% of

knowledge have been through this .I am thankful towards

this and will ever remain.

I do not know any differences like SJC,shri Sanjayrath or K.N.Raoji.

I just look for what is being taught and not who is teaching.For

example recently ,i have felt sunrise definition advised by shri

Rath is correct as compared to others.

I have expressed only concerns regarding principles that deviates

from basics.When we have a doubt there is hight scope for theory.I

personally feel it has happened in this case as well.

 

As per shri Sanjay Prabhakaran ,Narayana dasha too is based on

bhavas in Rashi chakra and relation in amshas.I cannot imagine then

how come all these new theories have crept in.

When we give explanations ,it should not be a localized ,stand alone

solution.We know that amshas are derived from rashi chakra,but then

we start isolating them ,forgetting the main link.

 

As i have written enough ,i will just wait for the proposers to

rethink,if apparopriate.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

> Dear Vijaydas ji,

>

> As clarified earlier, I am also not connected formally to any

Astro Organisation. As Bharatji & you have said, all of the seeker

seek knowledge from everywhere and test for themselves puting it on

the Testbench of Experience.

>

> if you see, my post on Sachin Tendulkar's Future, i have used

the 'Principle' given by Shri K.N.Rao . in the same manner,

Knowledge from Shar Sanjay Rath is also valuable and he has also

started the process of distributing it to the seekers.

>

> I have found TP as a good tool along with Varga charts.

> Have you found any Technique / Principles which has worked for you

which are from SJC. or you found none of their principles working?

kindly reply on this matter honestly so that the claim that we are

seeker of knowledge from every source proves correct. if you have

really gained some good knowledge from sjc source then you please

admit it.

>

> best regards,

>

> utpal

>

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear shri Bharat

>

> Your views are highly respectable.My views are no different,and

those

> who have been reading for long too would agree.

>

> We should be prepared to accept good from everywhere and reject

> unwanted.Discretion is important.

>

> As you have said,certain changes are visible,but long way to go.

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

>

> vedic astrology, "bharateiya"

<bharateiya>

> wrote:

> > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> > > Dear Jimbo,

> > >

> > Namaskaar Sri Anil, Sri Pradeep, Sri Punditji and others

> >

> > I am neither part of SJCC or BVB but I read books of both Sri K.

N.

> > Rao and Sri Sanjay Rath. Instead of wanting to change either Sri

Rao

> > or Sri Rath or debate about them, I focus on learning. If any of

their

> > principle seem inconsistent, I reject it.

> >

> > I do not think others follow their Gurus blindly. I have seen Sri

> > Narasimha hold on to what he thinks is right and yet is

respectful

> > towards both Sri Rao and Sri Rath. There are other astrologers

here

> > who are insightful and knowledgeable.

> >

> > As the Veda say, be like the Hamsa - see what is milk and what is

> > water. Without sermonizing further, I remain

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains

whether

> > these complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in

predicting

> > accurately ? It is many a times easy to give a "post facto

Analysis"

> > but how many times it has been used to predict before the event

has

> > taken place ? How much research have been done to prove

authenticity

> > of these theories ?

> > >

> > > Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based"

research is

> > best one to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in

> > predicting using these tools ? ( and not justifying a known

event in

> > a horoscope )

> > >

> > > I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is

many

> > simple theories have been found to give very consistent results

and

> > are very easy to understand and teach. Like I have never ever

seen

> > failure for predicting implications of certain aspects Like

Moon -

> > Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or Square , Moon -

Neptune

> > opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and this list of

very

> > simple tools and techniques where we have got very consistent

result

> > is very high.

> > >

> > > I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and

> > discard the ones which have not withstood test of time.

Otherwise a

> > cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own

love

> > but missing very fundamental points.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Anil

> > > -

> > > jimbo_dexter1

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: one thought

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr. Anil

> > >

> > > You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC

> want to

> > > give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We

want to

> > > equip them with the latest books, research and software to

help

> them

> > > make a correct prediction every single time.

> > >

> > > Jimbo Dexter

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL

<gogatea@v...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum

and

> the

> > > objective of this email is not to undermine their

achievements and

> > > their talents and methodologies.

> > > >

> > > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological

Analysis too

> > > complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic

> > > principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha ,

Owners

> > > of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and

strengths

> > > along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately.

> > > >

> > > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules ,

Division

> > > charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but

> probably

> > > reach same destination by using more easy to understand

principles.

> > > And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct

results is

> > > very high.

> > > >

> > > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can

tell about

> > > mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite

accurately.

> > > >

> > > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe

> astrology

> > > can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions

and give

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> > > appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that

even

> > > new learners are able to use it with little efforts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Anil Gogate

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Namaste Pandit ji,

 

> Namaste,

>

> I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for

> sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts(

It

> is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as

> charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving

> results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in

rashi,

> from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3

kinds

> of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN

> event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses

them

> as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this

> tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is

raised

> to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and

time

> tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be

> answered to a reasonable satisfaction.

>

> ...

 

Some points:

 

(1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't

have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use

them.

 

(2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas,

argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas

and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions.

 

All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi

Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too.

 

(3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these

parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If

you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But if

your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped

because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with

you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to

talk about useless things.

 

To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a

single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives

trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it.

 

(4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with

our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to use

various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use

and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various parameters

are not interchangable.

 

For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where

arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in my

Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and

question me!

 

(5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi

chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that

workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to explain

the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa.

 

If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing

against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this list

founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis.

 

(6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of techniques

taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and

positive contributions towards improving our understanding of those

techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high

school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other

kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless.

Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a

useless subject in life."

 

You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you

should consider stopping the harping then.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Dear Narasimha ji

 

How long can we continue to say,Graha drishti is disputable in

vargas but we can use trines.Graha drishti is disputable as they

emanate by degrees,but trines which are again angular dispositions

is ok.

 

We understand and agree that derivation of amshas is from rashi

chakra.Maharishi said all the matters pertaining to a jataka can be

seen using the 12 bhavas in rashi chakra,using bhavat bhavam.But

still we say ''Rashi matters''.Navamsha strength is ok for

Rashi ''matters''.Neechabhanga is possible in navamsha but only for

navamsha ''matters''.

 

We have seen Maharishi parasharas words -9th lord and its amshas

will show the religious merit of even past janmas.How can Maharishi

say this without seeing 9th house in vimshamsha.

 

Using any technique is fine but techniques may not be an excuse for

our inability in understanding basics.

If we say 12 bhavas represet numerous things ,and hence we cannot

pin point - then it is not a problem of jyotish,it is the problem of

jyotishi.

 

For me undersatnding dasha and antar dasha itself will take many

years.May be the ones with great intellects ,can jump directly to

predict what will happen during every 5 hours.

 

Thus step by step and constant tapas can only guide us towards

light.If we keep running behind techniques ,we create an ocean of

parameters ,only to be lost in our own theories.

 

If one can converge broadly to a specific aspect about 10 events for

a certain number of charts,using dasha and antardasha ,then he may

proceed towards finer levels.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste Pandit ji,

>

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point

for

> > sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts

(

> It

> > is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as

> > charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving

> > results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in

> rashi,

> > from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3

> kinds

> > of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any

KNOWN

> > event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and

uses

> them

> > as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to

this

> > tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is

> raised

> > to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and

> time

> > tested and researched techniques most questions people have can

be

> > answered to a reasonable satisfaction.

> >

> > ...

>

> Some points:

>

> (1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't

> have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use

> them.

>

> (2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas,

> argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas

> and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions.

>

> All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi

> Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too.

>

> (3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these

> parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If

> you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But

if

> your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped

> because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with

> you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to

> talk about useless things.

>

> To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a

> single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives

> trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it.

>

> (4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even

with

> our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to

use

> various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use

> and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various

parameters

> are not interchangable.

>

> For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where

> arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in

my

> Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and

> question me!

>

> (5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi

> chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that

> workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to

explain

> the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa.

>

> If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have

nothing

> against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this

list

> founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis.

>

> (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of

techniques

> taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and

> positive contributions towards improving our understanding of

those

> techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high

> school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling

other

> kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless.

> Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is

a

> useless subject in life."

>

> You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you

> should consider stopping the harping then.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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Dear Narasimha Rao Ji,

 

Thank You for this mail.

I fully agree with Your words.

Nice mail.

 

with regards,

Rafal Gendarz.

 

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<vedic astrology>

Friday, July 01, 2005 3:34 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: one thought

 

 

> Namaste Pandit ji,

>

>> Namaste,

>>

>> I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for

>> sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts(

> It

>> is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as

>> charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving

>> results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in

> rashi,

>> from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3

> kinds

>> of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN

>> event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses

> them

>> as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this

>> tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is

> raised

>> to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and

> time

>> tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be

>> answered to a reasonable satisfaction.

>>

>> ...

>

> Some points:

>

> (1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't

> have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use

> them.

>

> (2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas,

> argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas

> and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions.

>

> All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi

> Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too.

>

> (3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these

> parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If

> you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But if

> your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped

> because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with

> you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to

> talk about useless things.

>

> To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a

> single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives

> trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it.

>

> (4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with

> our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to use

> various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use

> and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various parameters

> are not interchangable.

>

> For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where

> arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in my

> Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and

> question me!

>

> (5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi

> chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that

> workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to explain

> the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa.

>

> If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing

> against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this list

> founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis.

>

> (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of techniques

> taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and

> positive contributions towards improving our understanding of those

> techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high

> school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other

> kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless.

> Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a

> useless subject in life."

>

> You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you

> should consider stopping the harping then.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

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I am extremely sorry to interrupt your conversation.But I am very much

interested to give few points which might be useful for somebody somehow.

 

I am not for any group specifically and for any system specifically as it might

seems to be.Any system that is good(80%) perfect and easy to use is really

useful for the present and future astrologers.So,after I learnt a few basics of

traditional system from books and magazines I have learnt K.P system.

 

This system as you might know gives clear clarification on twins chart and easy

to cast and predict.Only one chart in the place of 30 charts and a clear

indication can be identified by even a beginner.Prof.Krishnamurti has done a

deep research on this topic from all the system of astrology existing at that

point of time and has given a well tested rules and guidelines which is mostly

accurate and wonderful(sometimes).

 

Hope you both would have a look on this system(if not shown interest before).If

PVRji as a learned guru of this forum,you can also give me a valid points if

anything you have regarding the system of K.P.

 

Again I am stressing once again that I am not a campaigner or preacher for any

specific group or system.Whatever we can do our best productively and give to

this world,let we do our best.

 

I am not much expereinced as you are,So please give me your valid points why K.P

should not be used or followed ofcourse alongwith good aspects of traditional

astrology like jaimini sutras,etc.

 

With humble pranams for spending your valuable time to reply this query.

 

With thanks and regards

Balaji Gopalakrishnan

 

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Dear Narasimha Rao Ji,Thank You for this mail.I fully agree with Your words.Nice

mail.with regards,Rafal Gendarz.- "pvr108"

<pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net><vedic astrology>Friday, July 01,

2005 3:34 PM[vedic astrology] Re: one thought> Namaste Pandit ji,> >>

Namaste,>> >> I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point

for>> sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts( > It>>

is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as>> charts

anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving>> results of every

single house, either in rashi or from arudh in > rashi,>> from naisargika

karaka, chara

karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3 > kinds>> of navanshas as the picture gets so

fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN>> event in any kundali. When one extends this to

divisions and uses > them>> as charts as well this is compounded even further.

Then add to this>> tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion

is > raised>> to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and

> time>> tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be>>

answered to a reasonable satisfaction.>> >> ...> > Some points:> > (1) Nobody

is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't > have the taste for

some techniques, you don't have to learn or use > them.> > (2) None of the

techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas, > argalas, chara karakas, rasi

drishti, conditional

nakshatra dasas > and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions.> > All

these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi > Parasara and some

were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too.> > (3) If you say that our current

understanding of how to use these > parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can

appreciate that view. If > you help us improve the understanding, it will be

productive. But if > your entire point is that all these parameters should be

dumped > because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with >

you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to > talk about

useless things.> > To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use

even a > single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives >

trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it.> > (4) It

is not that we

use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with > our very limited learning, we at

SJC have very specific ways to use > various parameters. Each parameter has a

meaning and specific use > and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis.

Various parameters > are not interchangable.> > For example, when I mistakenly

use a house in a situation where > arudha pada of a house should be used,

sometimes even students in my > Boston class who started astrology one year

back would stop me and > question me!> > (5) Some say that "accurate"

predictions can be made using rasi > chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally

have not found that > workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom

to explain > the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa.>

> If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing > against

you and will respectfully

allow you to operate on this list > founded by me to spread the Jyotish

teachings of Maharshis.> > (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the

uselessness of techniques > taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any

productive and > positive contributions towards improving our understanding of

those > techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high >

school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other > kids

"don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless. > Learn English

literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a > useless subject in

life."> > You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you >

should consider stopping the harping then.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha > ------------------------------->

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Namaste Narasimha,

 

I am in agreement with a few of the points you have made although not all.

 

We do not fully understand BHPS is absolutely true. I am not sure

whether it is complete as we know it today or whether part of it is

lost forever. We do not even know for sure who this Parashar is ? Did

he write this as a literature survey of the state of the jyotish at

that time , one can not even prove or disprove how old is BHPS. So to

take everything said in it as gospel truth without testing it on live

charts would be dangerous. I am not suggesting that you or anyone at

SJC is doing that. If it is a religious beleif that Parashar is the

truth in jyotish then ofcourse there can be no debate.

 

If you read my mail what I have said in supporting the views of Anilji

is that for most questions people have, the few time tested parameters

are enough to answer those questions.

 

As for the twins, that can never be debated conclusively until we can

have high percent accuracy in chart of people who are not twins. It

would be like planning and taking big about going to the moon when one

can not confidently even fly a kite.

 

There was a puzzle about a lady who got beaten up by her husband. If

you look at the answers that were given by some of the learned members

including you were all over the map. The point is not who was right

and who was wrong. The point is to compare jyotish to mathematics

which is precise and repeatable and consistent when one applies the

rules that can be learned is far fetched. Such life changing event

should have been seen by most who know jyotish, if not then to compare

this to any scientific discipline would be farfetched.

 

The kind of questions people have can be counted on fingers of one

hand , may be two hands. if we can not see major life changing events

in a person's chart consistently I think all these myriads of

parameters is just pedagogy at best.

 

I aprreciate your work in developing the software that can compute all

these parameters. It is my opinion that one does not need all these

parameters to predict events that common people are interested in.

 

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On 7/1/05, pvr108 <pvr wrote:

> Namaste Pandit ji,

>

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for

> > sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts(

> It

> > is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as

> > charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving

> > results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in

> rashi,

> > from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3

> kinds

> > of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN

> > event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses

> them

> > as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this

> > tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is

> raised

> > to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and

> time

> > tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be

> > answered to a reasonable satisfaction.

> >

> > ...

>

> Some points:

>

> (1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't

> have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use

> them.

>

> (2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas,

> argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas

> and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions.

>

> All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi

> Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too.

>

> (3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these

> parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If

> you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But if

> your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped

> because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with

> you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to

> talk about useless things.

>

> To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a

> single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives

> trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it.

>

> (4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with

> our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to use

> various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use

> and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various parameters

> are not interchangable.

>

> For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where

> arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in my

> Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and

> question me!

>

> (5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi

> chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that

> workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to explain

> the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa.

>

> If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing

> against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this list

> founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis.

>

> (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of techniques

> taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and

> positive contributions towards improving our understanding of those

> techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high

> school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other

> kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless.

> Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a

> useless subject in life."

>

> You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you

> should consider stopping the harping then.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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