Guest guest Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Dear Friends, I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and their talents and methodologies. But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately. The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles. And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is very high. Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately. The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even new learners are able to use it with little efforts. Regards, Anil Gogate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Hi Anil, I can understand ur feelings. It is true that astrology is complicated. But that realisation comes only when you know more about the subject. And that is what our scholars in this group are doing. Enlightening us on the various hidden aspects of astrology. Make us realise that it is not just 12 squares of signs. Isnt that an amazing task? Moreover, I feel (sorry, if i am wrong, just expressing my feeling), though their methods may seem complicated to us, those are the ways of filtering and narrowing the analysis to get a precise prediction. If these complex anayses are not made, it may appear to others that astrology is so simple, just a pseudo science. (As passionate learners of astrology, we should fight it at any cost!!) Also, it is only when a prediction go wrong , we think of the deeper aspects which we have missed out to check. So, Is it not better to be aware that " Oh.. the prediction went wrong becuase there were so many other aspects to be considered which I didnt know" rather than confusing ourself thinking "I have checked all the rules, but still why did the prediction go wrong?" Also, a new learner cannot be 'NEW' always.. he should grow and be like the MASTERS here..for that you have to dig out all the valuable and hidden aspects.. the moment we restrict ourselves to learning we stop ourselvs to grow. So lets not limit ourself..at least for an intellectual excercise :-) Secondly, astrology is not just a pack of predictions.. it teaches you a lot more things.. brings you closer to GOD.. makes us realise that there are many things beyond our control.. These are just humble expressions of mine. Plz dont mind. ( I too had wished if astro were simple enough that even I can master it within a month.. but its not so .. so lets accept that fact and try to explore and widen our knowledge by listening to what our scholars are saying... Regards, Jyothi vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and their talents and methodologies. > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately. > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles. And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is very high. > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately. > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even new learners are able to use it with little efforts. > > > Regards, > > > Anil Gogate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Mr. Anil You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC want to give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to equip them with the latest books, research and software to help them make a correct prediction every single time. Jimbo Dexter vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and their talents and methodologies. > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately. > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles. And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is very high. > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately. > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even new learners are able to use it with little efforts. > > > Regards, > > > Anil Gogate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Namaste, I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts( It is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in rashi, from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3 kinds of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses them as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is raised to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and time tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be answered to a reasonable satisfaction. .... On 6/30/05, Anil VSNL <gogatea wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the objective > of this email is not to undermine their achievements and their talents and > methodologies. > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too complex for > new learners ? I know by using some very basic principles like Aspects , > Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of houses , owners of Rashis and > their placements and strengths along with transits one can do predictions > quite accurately. > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division charts , > Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably reach same > destination by using more easy to understand principles. And the consistency > of this basic rules to give correct results is very high. > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about mentality > , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately. > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology can be > very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give guidelines > which coupled with logical thinking one can take appropriate decisions > easily. It is therefore essential that even new learners are able to use it > with little efforts. > > > Regards, > > > Anil Gogate > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > > > vedic astrology > > > > ________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Dear Jimbo, Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains whether these complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in predicting accurately ? It is many a times easy to give a "post facto Analysis" but how many times it has been used to predict before the event has taken place ? How much research have been done to prove authenticity of these theories ? Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is best one to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in predicting using these tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in a horoscope ) I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many simple theories have been found to give very consistent results and are very easy to understand and teach. Like I have never ever seen failure for predicting implications of certain aspects Like Moon - Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or Square , Moon - Neptune opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and this list of very simple tools and techniques where we have got very consistent result is very high. I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and discard the ones which have not withstood test of time. Otherwise a cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own love but missing very fundamental points. Regards, Anil - jimbo_dexter1 vedic astrology Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM [vedic astrology] Re: one thought Mr. Anil You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC want to give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to equip them with the latest books, research and software to help them make a correct prediction every single time.Jimbo Dexter--- In vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:> Dear Friends,> > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and their talents and methodologies.> > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately. > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles. And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is very high.> > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.> > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even new learners are able to use it with little efforts. > > > Regards,> > > Anil GogateArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote: > Dear Jimbo, > Namaskaar Sri Anil, Sri Pradeep, Sri Punditji and others I am neither part of SJCC or BVB but I read books of both Sri K. N. Rao and Sri Sanjay Rath. Instead of wanting to change either Sri Rao or Sri Rath or debate about them, I focus on learning. If any of their principle seem inconsistent, I reject it. I do not think others follow their Gurus blindly. I have seen Sri Narasimha hold on to what he thinks is right and yet is respectful towards both Sri Rao and Sri Rath. There are other astrologers here who are insightful and knowledgeable. As the Veda say, be like the Hamsa - see what is milk and what is water. Without sermonizing further, I remain Thanks and Regards Bharat > Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains whether these complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in predicting accurately ? It is many a times easy to give a "post facto Analysis" but how many times it has been used to predict before the event has taken place ? How much research have been done to prove authenticity of these theories ? > > Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is best one to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in predicting using these tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in a horoscope ) > > I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many simple theories have been found to give very consistent results and are very easy to understand and teach. Like I have never ever seen failure for predicting implications of certain aspects Like Moon - Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or Square , Moon - Neptune opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and this list of very simple tools and techniques where we have got very consistent result is very high. > > I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and discard the ones which have not withstood test of time. Otherwise a cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own love but missing very fundamental points. > > Regards, > > Anil > - > jimbo_dexter1 > vedic astrology > Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: one thought > > > Mr. Anil > > You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC want to > give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to > equip them with the latest books, research and software to help them > make a correct prediction every single time. > > Jimbo Dexter > > > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> > wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the > objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and > their talents and methodologies. > > > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too > complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic > principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners > of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths > along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately. > > > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division > charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably > reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles. > And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is > very high. > > > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about > mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately. > > > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology > can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give > guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take > appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even > new learners are able to use it with little efforts. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anil Gogate > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > b.. > vedic astrology > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Dear shri Bharat Your views are highly respectable.My views are no different,and those who have been reading for long too would agree. We should be prepared to accept good from everywhere and reject unwanted.Discretion is important. As you have said,certain changes are visible,but long way to go. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "bharateiya" <bharateiya> wrote: > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote: > > Dear Jimbo, > > > Namaskaar Sri Anil, Sri Pradeep, Sri Punditji and others > > I am neither part of SJCC or BVB but I read books of both Sri K. N. > Rao and Sri Sanjay Rath. Instead of wanting to change either Sri Rao > or Sri Rath or debate about them, I focus on learning. If any of their > principle seem inconsistent, I reject it. > > I do not think others follow their Gurus blindly. I have seen Sri > Narasimha hold on to what he thinks is right and yet is respectful > towards both Sri Rao and Sri Rath. There are other astrologers here > who are insightful and knowledgeable. > > As the Veda say, be like the Hamsa - see what is milk and what is > water. Without sermonizing further, I remain > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > > > Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains whether > these complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in predicting > accurately ? It is many a times easy to give a "post facto Analysis" > but how many times it has been used to predict before the event has > taken place ? How much research have been done to prove authenticity > of these theories ? > > > > Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is > best one to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in > predicting using these tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in > a horoscope ) > > > > I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many > simple theories have been found to give very consistent results and > are very easy to understand and teach. Like I have never ever seen > failure for predicting implications of certain aspects Like Moon - > Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or Square , Moon - Neptune > opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and this list of very > simple tools and techniques where we have got very consistent result > is very high. > > > > I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and > discard the ones which have not withstood test of time. Otherwise a > cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own love > but missing very fundamental points. > > > > Regards, > > > > Anil > > - > > jimbo_dexter1 > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: one thought > > > > > > Mr. Anil > > > > You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC want to > > give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to > > equip them with the latest books, research and software to help them > > make a correct prediction every single time. > > > > Jimbo Dexter > > > > > > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and the > > objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and > > their talents and methodologies. > > > > > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too > > complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic > > principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners > > of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths > > along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately. > > > > > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division > > charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but probably > > reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles. > > And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is > > very high. > > > > > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about > > mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately. > > > > > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe astrology > > can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give > > guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take > > appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even > > new learners are able to use it with little efforts. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anil Gogate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > > b.. > > vedic astrology > > > > c.. Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 As clarified earlier, I am also not connected formally to any Astro Organisation. As Bharatji & you have said, all of the seeker seek knowledge from everywhere and test for themselves puting it on the Testbench of Experience. if you see, my post on Sachin Tendulkar's Future, i have used the 'Principle' given by Shri K.N.Rao . in the same manner, Knowledge from Shar Sanjay Rath is also valuable and he has also started the process of distributing it to the seekers. I have found TP as a good tool along with Varga charts.Have you found any Technique / Principles which has worked for you which are from SJC. or you found none of their principles working? kindly reply on this matter honestly so that the claim that we are seeker of knowledge from every source proves correct. if you have really gained some good knowledge from sjc source then you please admit it. best regards, utpal vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear shri BharatYour views are highly respectable.My views are no different,and thosewho have been reading for long too would agree.We should be prepared to accept good from everywhere and rejectunwanted.Discretion is important.As you have said,certain changes are visible,but long way to go.ThanksPradeep--- In vedic astrology, "bharateiya" <bharateiya>wrote:> --- In vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:> > Dear Jimbo,> > > Namaskaar Sri Anil, Sri Pradeep, Sri Punditji and others> > I am neither part of SJCC or BVB but I read books of both Sri K. N.> Rao and Sri Sanjay Rath. Instead of wanting to change either Sri Rao> or Sri Rath or debate about them, I focus on learning. If any of their> principle seem inconsistent, I reject it. > > I do not think others follow their Gurus blindly. I have seen Sri> Narasimha hold on to what he thinks is right and yet is respectful> towards both Sri Rao and Sri Rath. There are other astrologers here> who are insightful and knowledgeable. > > As the Veda say, be like the Hamsa - see what is milk and what is> water. Without sermonizing further, I remain> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > > > > > Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains whether> these complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in predicting> accurately ? It is many a times easy to give a "post facto Analysis"> but how many times it has been used to predict before the event has> taken place ? How much research have been done to prove authenticity> of these theories ? > > > > Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is> best one to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in> predicting using these tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in> a horoscope )> > > > I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many> simple theories have been found to give very consistent results and> are very easy to understand and teach. Like I have never ever seen> failure for predicting implications of certain aspects Like Moon -> Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or Square , Moon - Neptune> opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and this list of very> simple tools and techniques where we have got very consistent result> is very high.> > > > I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and> discard the ones which have not withstood test of time. Otherwise a> cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own love> but missing very fundamental points.> > > > Regards,> > > > Anil > > ----- Original Message ----- > > jimbo_dexter1 > > To: vedic astrology > > Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM> > [vedic astrology] Re: one thought> > > > > > Mr. Anil > > > > You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJCwant to > > give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to > > equip them with the latest books, research and software to helpthem > > make a correct prediction every single time.> > > > Jimbo Dexter> > > > > > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> > > wrote:> > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum andthe > > objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and > > their talents and methodologies.> > > > > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too > > complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic > > principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners > > of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths > > along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately. > > > > > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division > > charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc butprobably > > reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles. > > And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is > > very high.> > > > > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about > > mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately.> > > > > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believeastrology > > can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give > > guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take > > appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even > > new learners are able to use it with little efforts. > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Anil Gogate> > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail tovedic astrology-> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > a.. Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.> > > > b.. To from this group, send an email to:> > vedic astrology> > > > c.. Terms of> Service. > > > > > >>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Discover Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM &; more. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Dear Shri Utpal You can address me without a Ji. I have just begun my journey.But from whatever i have gained, 70% of knowledge have been through this .I am thankful towards this and will ever remain. I do not know any differences like SJC,shri Sanjayrath or K.N.Raoji. I just look for what is being taught and not who is teaching.For example recently ,i have felt sunrise definition advised by shri Rath is correct as compared to others. I have expressed only concerns regarding principles that deviates from basics.When we have a doubt there is hight scope for theory.I personally feel it has happened in this case as well. As per shri Sanjay Prabhakaran ,Narayana dasha too is based on bhavas in Rashi chakra and relation in amshas.I cannot imagine then how come all these new theories have crept in. When we give explanations ,it should not be a localized ,stand alone solution.We know that amshas are derived from rashi chakra,but then we start isolating them ,forgetting the main link. As i have written enough ,i will just wait for the proposers to rethink,if apparopriate. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote: > Dear Vijaydas ji, > > As clarified earlier, I am also not connected formally to any Astro Organisation. As Bharatji & you have said, all of the seeker seek knowledge from everywhere and test for themselves puting it on the Testbench of Experience. > > if you see, my post on Sachin Tendulkar's Future, i have used the 'Principle' given by Shri K.N.Rao . in the same manner, Knowledge from Shar Sanjay Rath is also valuable and he has also started the process of distributing it to the seekers. > > I have found TP as a good tool along with Varga charts. > Have you found any Technique / Principles which has worked for you which are from SJC. or you found none of their principles working? kindly reply on this matter honestly so that the claim that we are seeker of knowledge from every source proves correct. if you have really gained some good knowledge from sjc source then you please admit it. > > best regards, > > utpal > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear shri Bharat > > Your views are highly respectable.My views are no different,and those > who have been reading for long too would agree. > > We should be prepared to accept good from everywhere and reject > unwanted.Discretion is important. > > As you have said,certain changes are visible,but long way to go. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, "bharateiya" <bharateiya> > wrote: > > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote: > > > Dear Jimbo, > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Anil, Sri Pradeep, Sri Punditji and others > > > > I am neither part of SJCC or BVB but I read books of both Sri K. N. > > Rao and Sri Sanjay Rath. Instead of wanting to change either Sri Rao > > or Sri Rath or debate about them, I focus on learning. If any of their > > principle seem inconsistent, I reject it. > > > > I do not think others follow their Gurus blindly. I have seen Sri > > Narasimha hold on to what he thinks is right and yet is respectful > > towards both Sri Rao and Sri Rath. There are other astrologers here > > who are insightful and knowledgeable. > > > > As the Veda say, be like the Hamsa - see what is milk and what is > > water. Without sermonizing further, I remain > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > Giving newer and complex tools is fine. But question remains whether > > these complex theories have been proved beyond doubt in predicting > > accurately ? It is many a times easy to give a "post facto Analysis" > > but how many times it has been used to predict before the event has > > taken place ? How much research have been done to prove authenticity > > of these theories ? > > > > > > Like in medicine they say "Double blind placebo based" research is > > best one to prove the medicine; has similar research been done in > > predicting using these tools ? ( and not justifying a known event in > > a horoscope ) > > > > > > I am not arguing here "our Theory" vs "Yours" but my point is many > > simple theories have been found to give very consistent results and > > are very easy to understand and teach. Like I have never ever seen > > failure for predicting implications of certain aspects Like Moon - > > Rahu Conjunction , Mars - Merc Conjunction or Square , Moon - Neptune > > opposition or Moon - Herschel - Square etc etc and this list of very > > simple tools and techniques where we have got very consistent result > > is very high. > > > > > > I think a stage has come to honestly review these theories and > > discard the ones which have not withstood test of time. Otherwise a > > cult or a group would get developed which has fallen in it's own love > > but missing very fundamental points. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anil > > > - > > > jimbo_dexter1 > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:22 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: one thought > > > > > > > > > Mr. Anil > > > > > > You are wasting your time making these suggestions.We at SJC > want to > > > give as many tools as possible to our students, sisyas. We want to > > > equip them with the latest books, research and software to help > them > > > make a correct prediction every single time. > > > > > > Jimbo Dexter > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > I am aware that there are many learned Gurus in this forum and > the > > > objective of this email is not to undermine their achievements and > > > their talents and methodologies. > > > > > > > > But I get a feeling are we not making Astrological Analysis too > > > complex for new learners ? I know by using some very basic > > > principles like Aspects , Nakshtras , Vishottari Mahadasha , Owners > > > of houses , owners of Rashis and their placements and strengths > > > along with transits one can do predictions quite accurately. > > > > > > > > The part of India we belong we never use complex rules , Division > > > charts , Many types of Mahadasha , Arudha lagna etc etc but > probably > > > reach same destination by using more easy to understand principles. > > > And the consistency of this basic rules to give correct results is > > > very high. > > > > > > > > Just as an example only by looking at aspects , we can tell about > > > mentality , attitudes , psychological profile etc quite accurately. > > > > > > > > The reason in writing this thoughts is because I believe > astrology > > > can be very meaningfully used as a tool to show directions and give > > > guidelines which coupled with logical thinking one can take > > > appropriate decisions easily. It is therefore essential that even > > > new learners are able to use it with little efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anil Gogate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - ----------- > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > > > > b.. > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > c.. Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > - ----------- > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Discover > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! 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Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Namaste Pandit ji, > Namaste, > > I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for > sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts( It > is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as > charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving > results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in rashi, > from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3 kinds > of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN > event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses them > as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this > tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is raised > to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and time > tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be > answered to a reasonable satisfaction. > > ... Some points: (1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use them. (2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas, argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions. All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too. (3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But if your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to talk about useless things. To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it. (4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to use various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various parameters are not interchangable. For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in my Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and question me! (5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to explain the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa. If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this list founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis. (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of techniques taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and positive contributions towards improving our understanding of those techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless. Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a useless subject in life." You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you should consider stopping the harping then. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Dear Narasimha ji How long can we continue to say,Graha drishti is disputable in vargas but we can use trines.Graha drishti is disputable as they emanate by degrees,but trines which are again angular dispositions is ok. We understand and agree that derivation of amshas is from rashi chakra.Maharishi said all the matters pertaining to a jataka can be seen using the 12 bhavas in rashi chakra,using bhavat bhavam.But still we say ''Rashi matters''.Navamsha strength is ok for Rashi ''matters''.Neechabhanga is possible in navamsha but only for navamsha ''matters''. We have seen Maharishi parasharas words -9th lord and its amshas will show the religious merit of even past janmas.How can Maharishi say this without seeing 9th house in vimshamsha. Using any technique is fine but techniques may not be an excuse for our inability in understanding basics. If we say 12 bhavas represet numerous things ,and hence we cannot pin point - then it is not a problem of jyotish,it is the problem of jyotishi. For me undersatnding dasha and antar dasha itself will take many years.May be the ones with great intellects ,can jump directly to predict what will happen during every 5 hours. Thus step by step and constant tapas can only guide us towards light.If we keep running behind techniques ,we create an ocean of parameters ,only to be lost in our own theories. If one can converge broadly to a specific aspect about 10 events for a certain number of charts,using dasha and antardasha ,then he may proceed towards finer levels. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste Pandit ji, > > > Namaste, > > > > I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for > > sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts ( > It > > is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as > > charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving > > results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in > rashi, > > from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3 > kinds > > of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN > > event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses > them > > as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this > > tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is > raised > > to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and > time > > tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be > > answered to a reasonable satisfaction. > > > > ... > > Some points: > > (1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't > have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use > them. > > (2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas, > argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas > and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions. > > All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi > Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too. > > (3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these > parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If > you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But if > your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped > because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with > you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to > talk about useless things. > > To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a > single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives > trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it. > > (4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with > our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to use > various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use > and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various parameters > are not interchangable. > > For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where > arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in my > Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and > question me! > > (5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi > chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that > workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to explain > the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa. > > If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing > against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this list > founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis. > > (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of techniques > taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and > positive contributions towards improving our understanding of those > techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high > school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other > kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless. > Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a > useless subject in life." > > You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you > should consider stopping the harping then. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Dear Narasimha Rao Ji, Thank You for this mail. I fully agree with Your words. Nice mail. with regards, Rafal Gendarz. - "pvr108" <pvr <vedic astrology> Friday, July 01, 2005 3:34 PM [vedic astrology] Re: one thought > Namaste Pandit ji, > >> Namaste, >> >> I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for >> sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts( > It >> is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as >> charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving >> results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in > rashi, >> from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3 > kinds >> of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN >> event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses > them >> as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this >> tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is > raised >> to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and > time >> tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be >> answered to a reasonable satisfaction. >> >> ... > > Some points: > > (1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't > have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use > them. > > (2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas, > argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas > and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions. > > All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi > Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too. > > (3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these > parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If > you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But if > your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped > because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with > you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to > talk about useless things. > > To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a > single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives > trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it. > > (4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with > our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to use > various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use > and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various parameters > are not interchangable. > > For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where > arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in my > Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and > question me! > > (5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi > chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that > workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to explain > the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa. > > If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing > against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this list > founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis. > > (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of techniques > taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and > positive contributions towards improving our understanding of those > techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high > school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other > kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless. > Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a > useless subject in life." > > You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you > should consider stopping the harping then. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I am extremely sorry to interrupt your conversation.But I am very much interested to give few points which might be useful for somebody somehow. I am not for any group specifically and for any system specifically as it might seems to be.Any system that is good(80%) perfect and easy to use is really useful for the present and future astrologers.So,after I learnt a few basics of traditional system from books and magazines I have learnt K.P system. This system as you might know gives clear clarification on twins chart and easy to cast and predict.Only one chart in the place of 30 charts and a clear indication can be identified by even a beginner.Prof.Krishnamurti has done a deep research on this topic from all the system of astrology existing at that point of time and has given a well tested rules and guidelines which is mostly accurate and wonderful(sometimes). Hope you both would have a look on this system(if not shown interest before).If PVRji as a learned guru of this forum,you can also give me a valid points if anything you have regarding the system of K.P. Again I am stressing once again that I am not a campaigner or preacher for any specific group or system.Whatever we can do our best productively and give to this world,let we do our best. I am not much expereinced as you are,So please give me your valid points why K.P should not be used or followed ofcourse alongwith good aspects of traditional astrology like jaimini sutras,etc. With humble pranams for spending your valuable time to reply this query. With thanks and regards Balaji Gopalakrishnan IRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: Dear Narasimha Rao Ji,Thank You for this mail.I fully agree with Your words.Nice mail.with regards,Rafal Gendarz.- "pvr108" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net><vedic astrology>Friday, July 01, 2005 3:34 PM[vedic astrology] Re: one thought> Namaste Pandit ji,> >> Namaste,>> >> I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for>> sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts( > It>> is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as>> charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving>> results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in > rashi,>> from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3 > kinds>> of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN>> event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses > them>> as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this>> tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is > raised>> to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and > time>> tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be>> answered to a reasonable satisfaction.>> >> ...> > Some points:> > (1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't > have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use > them.> > (2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas, > argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas > and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions.> > All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi > Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too.> > (3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these > parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If > you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But if > your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped > because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with > you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to > talk about useless things.> > To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a > single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives > trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it.> > (4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with > our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to use > various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use > and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various parameters > are not interchangable.> > For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where > arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in my > Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and > question me!> > (5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi > chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that > workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to explain > the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa.> > If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing > against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this list > founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis.> > (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of techniques > taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and > positive contributions towards improving our understanding of those > techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high > school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other > kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless. > Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a > useless subject in life."> > You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you > should consider stopping the harping then.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Namaste Narasimha, I am in agreement with a few of the points you have made although not all. We do not fully understand BHPS is absolutely true. I am not sure whether it is complete as we know it today or whether part of it is lost forever. We do not even know for sure who this Parashar is ? Did he write this as a literature survey of the state of the jyotish at that time , one can not even prove or disprove how old is BHPS. So to take everything said in it as gospel truth without testing it on live charts would be dangerous. I am not suggesting that you or anyone at SJC is doing that. If it is a religious beleif that Parashar is the truth in jyotish then ofcourse there can be no debate. If you read my mail what I have said in supporting the views of Anilji is that for most questions people have, the few time tested parameters are enough to answer those questions. As for the twins, that can never be debated conclusively until we can have high percent accuracy in chart of people who are not twins. It would be like planning and taking big about going to the moon when one can not confidently even fly a kite. There was a puzzle about a lady who got beaten up by her husband. If you look at the answers that were given by some of the learned members including you were all over the map. The point is not who was right and who was wrong. The point is to compare jyotish to mathematics which is precise and repeatable and consistent when one applies the rules that can be learned is far fetched. Such life changing event should have been seen by most who know jyotish, if not then to compare this to any scientific discipline would be farfetched. The kind of questions people have can be counted on fingers of one hand , may be two hands. if we can not see major life changing events in a person's chart consistently I think all these myriads of parameters is just pedagogy at best. I aprreciate your work in developing the software that can compute all these parameters. It is my opinion that one does not need all these parameters to predict events that common people are interested in. .... On 7/1/05, pvr108 <pvr wrote: > Namaste Pandit ji, > > > Namaste, > > > > I fully agree with your sentiments. I have harped on this point for > > sometime now. If one uses too many parameters and too many charts( > It > > is debatable whether the sages have mentioned use of divisions as > > charts anyway) one will end up with every graha capable of giving > > results of every single house, either in rashi or from arudh in > rashi, > > from naisargika karaka, chara karaka,add to this rashi drishti,3 > kinds > > of navanshas as the picture gets so fuzzy one can justify any KNOWN > > event in any kundali. When one extends this to divisions and uses > them > > as charts as well this is compounded even further. Then add to this > > tithi pravesh chart and its divisional charts the confusion is > raised > > to the n th degree. If one uses judiciously a few parameters and > time > > tested and researched techniques most questions people have can be > > answered to a reasonable satisfaction. > > > > ... > > Some points: > > (1) Nobody is forcing any techniques on anybody here. If you don't > have the taste for some techniques, you don't have to learn or use > them. > > (2) None of the techniques like divisional charts, arudha padas, > argalas, chara karakas, rasi drishti, conditional nakshatra dasas > and rasi dasas are my or any SJC guru's inventions. > > All these parameters were outlined by none other than Maharshi > Parasara and some were mentioned by Maharshi Jaimini too. > > (3) If you say that our current understanding of how to use these > parameters is incomplete/incorrect, I can appreciate that view. If > you help us improve the understanding, it will be productive. But if > your entire point is that all these parameters should be dumped > because YOU find them confusing and useless, I cannot agree with > you. Your point then amounts to saying that Parasara was a fool to > talk about useless things. > > To me, Parasara is the greatest water mark. He did not use even a > single word without purpose. If necessary, I'd spend several lives > trying to understanding him, because I really think it is worth it. > > (4) It is not that we use all the parameters arbitrarily. Even with > our very limited learning, we at SJC have very specific ways to use > various parameters. Each parameter has a meaning and specific use > and they are not arbitrarily chosen in analysis. Various parameters > are not interchangable. > > For example, when I mistakenly use a house in a situation where > arudha pada of a house should be used, sometimes even students in my > Boston class who started astrology one year back would stop me and > question me! > > (5) Some say that "accurate" predictions can be made using rasi > chart and Vimsottari dasa. I personally have not found that > workable. It does not even have enough degrees of freedom to explain > the difference between twins born with the same rasi and navamsa. > > If you are happy with such techniques, please be so. I have nothing > against you and will respectfully allow you to operate on this list > founded by me to spread the Jyotish teachings of Maharshis. > > (6) However, if you keep "harping" on the uselessness of techniques > taught by Maharshis, without trying to make any productive and > positive contributions towards improving our understanding of those > techniques, it is not at all helpful. You will then be like a high > school kid who is weak in mathematics and goes around telling other > kids "don't learn mathematics. It is too difficult and useless. > Learn English literature instead. That is enough in life. Math is a > useless subject in life." > > You yourself said you "harped" on this for sometime. Perhaps you > should consider stopping the harping then. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology compatibility > Astrology horoscope Astrology software Indian astrology > ________________________________ > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > > ________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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