Kundalini, Sadhana, Austerities /Lakshmi JI

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Dear Lakshmi ji

 

I do not have any knowledge, practical nor theoretical,to see these

subtle matters from the chart.I have neither seen enough charts to

conclude.I will quote Rudra Bhatta on shadvargas and Shadchakras.

 

When we talk about kundalini, we are talking about the chakras or

subtler energy centres.Astrologically Rashi Chakra bhavas represent

our body and various other matters.Its amshas, are the various finer

koshas underlying.We may always bear in mind that the amshas are not

seperate entities,but finer attributes of a single entity.Non

duality is the basis.

 

Now coming to Chakras ,Rudrabhatta the interpretor of Hora says,

shadvargas are related to shad chakras.Sahasrara chakra is not

mentioned by him,which clealry indicates,its position as above the

realms of body.Guru removes darkness.When Prana cannot flow freely

or is unable to find its way, it is in doubt.When it finds its way

through the proper channels and escape from the clutches of body,it

reaches the sahasrara.

 

As per him,Drekkana represents Mooladhara Chakra.Sun is the planet

and father the attribute.If we think a bit,this matter becomes

clear.Mooladhara or the root basis is ofcourse father or at a

broader level Soorya,the source of energy.

Hora represents Swadhishtana chakra.Moon and Mother.Navamsha

represents the Manipura Chakra - Bhratha and Kalathra.

Trimshamsha represents the Anahata Chakra - Word and

Mercury.Dwadashamsha represents the Vishudhi chakra - Puthra and

Guru.Kshethra represents the Ajna Chakra - Wife and Venus.

 

Thus we have to understand that,the amsha occuppied by the concerned

individual planet will reveal the strength of shad chakras.For

example We should see sooryas drekkana to understand mooladhara

chakra.But there is a lot that we have not understood, is my humble

opinion.Considering Bhavas in amshas is just a raw attempt to

understand subtler matters like vargas.

 

Recitation of mantras with devotion and concentration may be similar

to an attempt by a snake charmer.Playing the flute for charming the

snake is an easy job, while the former act to waken the kundalini

may be a process needing austerity and penance.Mere recitation of

mantras may not be sufficient.Continuity of rythm is not possible

without control over breath.The vibrations should be sufficient

enough to make an influence.A learning exercise with perfection as

the goal may be the only attribute under our control.I feell there

is no need to expect a rise or wakening or work towards that.A

learning exercise with perfection as the goal may be the only

attribute under our control.A musician may try to achieve perfection

through sadhana or a sportsaman through practise or a karma yogi

through selfless work.When the real awakening happens,one may not

talk about it in the open or may not have further doubts.

 

When budhisthana is strongly disposed,our understanding becomes

easy.5th Bhava in the Rashi chakra and the various amshas of this

5th lord will reveal this.Budhi is the manifestation of our

sidhis.Similarly 9th lord reveals dharma.When dharma is lacking,

goal is not achieved easily and is not through perfection.The

learning is thus incomplete.Its amshas as advised by sage Parashara,

will reveal our spiritual heights of even past janmas.

 

 

In your chart,saturn is the 8th lord.He is exalted and placed with

vargottama moon in budhisthana.This is the first and main influence.

Strength of Guru is the next main factor.His strength(in many

amshas) is also the reason for all the heat you have mentioned.(Fat

and heat).Venus too has attained similar amshas. Rahu is in

Moola,while Ketu in Ardra.5th lord is in 6th,needing more

concentration.But aspect of natural benefic jupiter is good,while

functionally it gives difficulties,due to maraka lordship.5th & 12th

lord venus is in swa vimshamsha and dispositor of guru moon is in

vimshamsha of its exaltation lord.

 

Most importantly,your 8th lord saturn has joined the vimshamsha of

lagna lord and your lagna has joined the vimshamsha of 8th lord.Your

lagna lord too has joined the vimshamsha of saturn,which happens to

be 9th lord as well.Ketu has joined the navamsha of 8th

lord,saturn.Thus we can find Saturn as a key planet for your

spiritual inclinations.Rahu is in the kshethra of Guru.Saturn is

aspecting this Rahu.I assume this saturn dasha might have brought

into you the spirtiual quest.Pls provide some details.In transit

saturn is conjunct natal Guru.Transit Guru is aspected by transit

saturn.Thus all in all I believe there will be new learnings and

progress.

 

I feel i am no man to speak on these topics.We are just seeing the

potential for quest.Consideration of bhavas may be a maya valaya or

an illusionary circle,is my humble opinion.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "lakshmikary"

<lakshmikary> wrote:

> Hare Krishna

> Dear Pradeep and Sabri,

> I've never quite understood about Kundalini experience and Im

trying

> to learn more.Is it possible to have Kundalini experience without

> really knowing it at all? I've always had too much energy

internal,

> that prevents me from sleeping properly and also it has been hard

on

> my physical body as I exert my effort than my body has.

> 2)Can someone use their Kundalini energy to heal people physically

> without knowing its their kundalini energy?Can it be used in such

a

> way? There are people who can heal ohters by a laying on of hands

and

> such things.

>

> Looking at my chart it seems there should be the elements of some

> possibilites for Kundalini experiences , but Im not sure if it is

> sufficient. If you have time I'd appreciate your view on my charts.

> My charts are below, rasi, Navamsa, and D-20.

> Possibilites for such

> Rasi Gemini rising-Ketu in lagna, LL in 8th house,aspected by

Venus

> 12th lord. Venus,12th lord aspects 12th house along

> with,Sun,Merc.LL,ex8/9th lord Sat,Moon,and exjup. so taurus 12th

> house seems strong.

> A8 is aires, only aspected by Rahu from sag, and Venus 12th lord.

> In navamsa, taurus lagna is equally strong,with AK sat, merc(rasi

LL)

> in it.ANd aspected by Venus(natal 12th

lord),Rahu/Jupiter,Ketu/Sun,

> and Moon.

> Aires(which is A8 in rasi)is the 12th house in navamsa.

>

> IN D-20,

> lagna is capricorn, which is natal Rasi 8th house and dispositor

of

> LL.Saturn,(rasi 8th lord), and AK is in 9th house.

> Taurus(12th house in Rasi) is in the D-20,5th house and aspects

lagna

> and in 5th house taurus is Moon,jupiter and Sun, aspected(rashi

> drishti)by Venus in libra, and Merc from aquarious.

> Sat as Natal 8th lord is aspected by nodes from pisces,and Mars,etc

>

> Aires,significant as the Rasi A8, doesnt seem to have much to do

here.

> 4th from my AK in D-20, is Mars in sag.

> In all 3 charts, mars(lord of A8) in in the dual signs,

>

> Although ,there are alot of connections amoungst planets,

> is there sufficent link to Rahu/ketu to the other indications.

> So im curious if such placements can/will/already have given any

> Kundalini experience?

> Thank-you,best wishes,

> Lakshmi

> LakshmiKary

>

> Natal Chart

>

> January 15, 1955

> Time: 5:15:00 pm

> Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 96 W 22' 11", 30 N 40' 27"

> Texas, USA

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Pushya

> Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (46.14% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (32.90% left)

> Yoga: Dhriti (Ra) (94.27% left)

> Karana: Kaulava (Ma) (92.27% left)

> Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Vi)

> Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Ta)

> Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Venus)

>

> Sunrise: 7:24:53 am

> Sunset: 5:45:57 pm

> Janma Ghatis: 24.5879

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-14-01.97

> Sidereal Time: 0:28:02

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 26 Ge 04' 58.94" Puna 2 Ge Ta

> Sun - GK 1 Cp 49' 00.79" USha 2 Cp Cp

> Moon - PK 2 Li 16' 49.56" Chit 3 Li Li

> Mars - PiK 7 Pi 19' 51.21" UBha 2 Pi Vi

> Mercury - MK 15 Cp 04' 29.77" Srav 2 Cp Ta

> Jupiter ® - DK 1 Cn 39' 07.44" Puna 4 Cn Cn

> Venus - BK 15 Sc 21' 15.37" Anu 4 Sc Sc

> Saturn - AK 26 Li 18' 49.20" Visa 2 Li Ta

> Rahu - AmK 11 Sg 23' 52.82" Mool 4 Sg Cn

> Ketu 11 Ge 23' 52.82" Ardr 2 Ge Cp

> Maandi 11 Cp 22' 01.10" Srav 1 Cp Ar

> Gulika 0 Cp 33' 37.35" USha 2 Cp Cp

> Uranus ® 2 Cn 27' 06.95" Puna 4 Cn Cn

> Neptune 4 Li 57' 11.66" Chit 4 Li Sc

> Pluto ® 3 Le 01' 59.22" Magh 1 Le Ar

> Bhava Lagna 28 Ta 55' 36.43" Mrig 2 Ta Vi

> Hora Lagna 26 Li 27' 14.64" Visa 2 Li Ta

> Ghati Lagna 19 Cp 02' 09.26" Srav 3 Cp Ge

> Vighati Lagna 11 Pi 56' 42.35" UBha 3 Pi Li

> Varnada Lagna 26 Cp 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Cp Ge

> Sree Lagna 27 Aq 39' 17.04" PBha 3 Aq Ge

> Pranapada Lagna 12 Pi 21' 44.91" UBha 3 Pi Li

> Indu Lagna 2 Ge 16' 49.56" Mrig 3 Ge Li

> Dhooma 15 Ta 09' 00.79" Rohi 2 Ta Ta

> Vyatipata 14 Aq 50' 59.21" Sata 3 Aq Aq

> Parivesha 14 Le 50' 59.21" PPha 1 Le Le

> Indra Chapa 15 Sc 09' 00.79" Anu 4 Sc Sc

> Upaketu 1 Sg 49' 00.79" Mool 1 Sg Ar

> Kaala 3 Pi 25' 59.16" UBha 1 Pi Le

> Mrityu 26 Ar 48' 44.24" Krit 1 Ar Sg

> Artha Prahara 18 Ta 24' 10.43" Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> Yama Ghantaka 7 Ge 12' 15.72" Ardr 1 Ge Sg

> Prana Sphuta 10 Pi 58' 32.04" UBha 3 Pi Li

> Deha Sphuta 18 Cp 48' 13.83" Srav 3 Cp Ge

> Mrityu Sphuta 5 Ar 44' 22.26" Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> Sookshma TriSphuta 5 Cp 31' 08.13" USha 3 Cp Aq

> TriSphuta 28 Vi 55' 25.85" Chit 2 Vi Vi

> ChatusSphuta 0 Cn 44' 26.64" Puna 4 Cn Cn

> PanchaSphuta 12 Pi 08' 19.46" UBha 3 Pi Li

> V2 26 Aq 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Aq Vi

> V3 26 Ta 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Ta Li

> V4 26 Ge 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Ge Cp

> V5 26 Vi 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Vi Aq

> V6 26 Li 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Li Ta

> V7 26 Cp 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Cp Ge

> V8 26 Aq 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Aq Vi

> V9 26 Ta 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Ta Li

> V10 26 Ge 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Ge Cp

> V11 26 Vi 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Vi Aq

> V12 26 Li 04' 58.94" Aswi 1 Li Ta

> Kunda 12 Le 43' 33.97" Magh 4 Le Cn

>

> Rasi

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> | / Ve \ / Su \ |

> | / \ / Me GL \ |

> +--------------+

> Navamsa -

> Navamsa D-9

> +--------------+

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> | \ GL / \ Md / |

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> | \ / Me \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

> |JuR Ra x HL As x |

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> | x AL |

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> | \ / \ / Gk |

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> | / Mo \ / \ |

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> +--------------+

>

> Lakshmi D-20

> Vimsamsa D-20

> +--------------+

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ Me / \ Ma / |

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> | \ / \ / |

> |Ra Ke x As x Md |

> | / \ / \ |

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> | / \ / \ |

> | / Gk \ 10 / \ |

> | / \ / \ |

> | GL x Ve |

> | \ / \ / |

> | \ / \ / |

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> | \ / \ / |

> |JuR \ / \ / |

> |Su Mo x x HL Sa |

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> +--------------+

>

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Mars Mars 1950-05-04 Rah 1950-10-04 Jup 1951-10-22

> Sat 1952-09-27 Merc 1953-11-06 Ket 1954-11-03

> Ven 1955-03-29 Sun 1956-05-29 Moon 1956-10-07

> Rah Rah 1957-05-04 Jup 1960-01-16 Sat 1962-06-11

> Merc 1965-04-16 Ket 1967-11-07 Ven 1968-11-24

> Sun 1971-11-24 Moon 1972-10-19 Mars 1974-04-16

> Jup Jup 1975-05-05 Sat 1977-06-23 Merc 1980-01-05

> Ket 1982-04-10 Ven 1983-03-17 Sun 1985-11-18

> Moon 1986-09-07 Mars 1988-01-05 Rah 1988-12-12

> Sat Sat 1991-05-05 Merc 1994-05-08 Ket 1997-01-16

> Ven 1998-02-24 Sun 2001-04-25 Moon 2002-04-07

> Mars 2003-11-10 Rah 2004-12-18 Jup 2007-10-26

> Merc Merc 2010-05-05 Ket 2012-10-04 Ven 2013-10-01

> Sun 2016-07-31 Moon 2017-06-05 Mars 2018-11-07

> Rah 2019-11-04 Jup 2022-05-20 Sat 2024-08-28

> Ket Ket 2027-05-05 Ven 2027-10-05 Sun 2028-12-03

> Moon 2029-04-07 Mars 2029-11-09 Rah 2030-04-04

> Jup 2031-04-23 Sat 2032-03-29 Merc 2033-05-08

> Ven Ven 2034-05-05 Sun 2037-09-07 Moon 2038-09-07

> Mars 2040-05-04 Rah 2041-07-06 Jup 2044-07-06

> Sat 2047-03-05 Merc 2050-05-05 Ket 2053-03-05

> Sun Sun 2054-05-05 Moon 2054-08-26 Mars 2055-02-21

> Rah 2055-07-01 Jup 2056-05-23 Sat 2057-03-11

> Merc 2058-02-21 Ket 2058-12-30 Ven 2059-05-05

> Moon Moon 2060-05-04 Mars 2061-03-05 Rah 2060-10-07

> Jup 2063-04-05 Sat 2064-08-07 Merc 2066-03-05

> Ket 2067-08-07 Ven 2068-03-05 Sun 2069-11-07

>

> Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

>

> Maha Dasas:

>

> Ge: 1955-01-15 (5:15:00 pm) - 1962-01-15 (12:14:55 pm)

> Li: 1962-01-15 (12:14:55 pm) - 1963-01-15 (6:31:30 pm)

> Aq: 1963-01-15 (6:31:30 pm) - 1968-01-16 (1:11:27 am)

> Pi: 1968-01-16 (1:11:27 am) - 1977-01-15 (8:39:42 am)

> Cn: 1977-01-15 (8:39:42 am) - 1986-01-15 (3:59:45 pm)

> Sc: 1986-01-15 (3:59:45 pm) - 1990-01-15 (4:42:01 pm)

> Sg: 1990-01-15 (4:42:01 pm) - 1998-01-15 (5:57:32 pm)

> Ar: 1998-01-15 (5:57:32 pm) - 2009-01-15 (1:37:23 pm)

> Le: 2009-01-15 (1:37:23 pm) - 2016-01-16 (8:35:52 am)

> Vi: 2016-01-16 (8:35:52 am) - 2024-01-16 (9:52:47 am)

> Cp: 2024-01-16 (9:52:47 am) - 2028-01-16 (10:34:18 am)

> Ta: 2028-01-16 (10:34:18 am) - 2034-01-15 (11:35:19 pm)

> Ge: 2034-01-15 (11:35:19 pm) - 2039-01-16 (6:21:12 am)

> Li: 2039-01-16 (6:21:12 am) - 2050-01-16 (2:01:36 am)

> Aq: 2050-01-16 (2:01:36 am) - 2057-01-15 (9:02:05 pm)

> Pi: 2057-01-15 (9:02:05 pm) - 2060-01-16 (3:30:40 pm)

> Cn: 2060-01-16 (3:30:40 pm) - 2063-01-16 (10:02:30 am)

> Sc: 2063-01-16 (10:02:30 am) - 2071-01-16 (11:18:16 am)

> Sg: 2071-01-16 (11:18:16 am) - 2075-01-16 (11:47:33 am)

> Ar: 2075-01-16 (11:47:33 am) - 2076-01-16 (5:54:50 pm)

> Le: 2076-01-16 (5:54:50 pm) - 2081-01-16 (12:46:26 am)

> Vi: 2081-01-16 (12:46:26 am) - 2085-01-16 (1:23:01 am)

> Cp: 2085-01-16 (1:23:01 am) - 2093-01-16 (2:38:50 am)

> Ta: 2093-01-16 (2:38:50 am) - 2099-01-16 (3:32:39 pm)

> Narayana Dasa of D-20 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

>

> Maha Dasas:

>

> Pi: 1955-01-15 (5:15:00 pm) - 1965-01-15 (6:42:04 am)

> Sc: 1965-01-15 (6:42:04 am) - 1969-01-15 (7:22:09 am)

> Cn: 1969-01-15 (7:22:09 am) - 1972-01-16 (1:48:03 am)

> Ge: 1972-01-16 (1:48:03 am) - 1980-01-16 (3:06:54 am)

> Aq: 1980-01-16 (3:06:54 am) - 1991-01-15 (10:51:10 pm)

> Li: 1991-01-15 (10:51:10 pm) - 2003-01-16 (12:37:50 am)

> Vi: 2003-01-16 (12:37:50 am) - 2010-01-15 (7:47:11 pm)

> Ta: 2010-01-15 (7:47:11 pm) - 2015-01-16 (2:37:23 am)

> Cp: 2015-01-16 (2:37:23 am) - 2019-01-16 (3:01:31 am)

> Sg: 2019-01-16 (3:01:31 am) - 2024-01-16 (9:52:47 am)

> Le: 2024-01-16 (9:52:47 am) - 2027-01-16 (4:20:12 am)

> Ar: 2027-01-16 (4:20:12 am) - 2035-01-16 (5:37:19 am)

> Pi: 2035-01-16 (5:37:19 am) - 2037-01-15 (5:54:41 pm)

> Sc: 2037-01-15 (5:54:41 pm) - 2045-01-15 (7:09:52 pm)

> Cn: 2045-01-15 (7:09:52 pm) - 2054-01-16 (2:28:23 am)

> Ge: 2054-01-16 (2:28:23 am) - 2058-01-16 (3:18:45 am)

> Aq: 2058-01-16 (3:18:45 am) - 2059-01-16 (9:20:38 am)

> Li: 2059-01-16 (9:20:38 am) - 2059-01-16 (9:20:38 am)

> Vi: 2059-01-16 (9:20:38 am) - 2064-01-16 (4:04:59 pm)

> Ta: 2064-01-16 (4:04:59 pm) - 2071-01-16 (11:18:16 am)

> Cp: 2071-01-16 (11:18:16 am) - 2079-01-16 (12:25:08 pm)

> Sg: 2079-01-16 (12:25:08 pm) - 2086-01-16 (7:32:36 am)

> Le: 2086-01-16 (7:32:36 am) - 2095-01-16 (2:58:40 pm)

> Ar: 2095-01-16 (2:58:40 pm) - 2099-01-16 (3:32:39 pm)

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear shri Sabri

> >

> > It was nice to read your post and valuable thoughts.

> > Satisfaction can result because of lack of knowledge as well as

true

> > knowledge.

> > True and realized soulss have no doubts and are satisfied.False

> > bleiefs and our own convictions can also make us satisfied.

> > But non satisfaction and the desire for knowing the Truth,marks

the

> > beginning of our journey.Obsession and deep attachment towards

our

> > goal,results.

> >

> > Undersatnding Rahu and Ketu as you have mentioned may help us

here.

> >

> > Rahu and Ketu are the forces which encompass the essence of all

the

> > energy forms and tattwas.They bind the forces together.When in

true

> > form, they represent the confluence of all energies.

> >

> > Rahu is like the force which can absorb all the ''colours''of

> > light.We know when an object absorbs all and liberates none the

> > result is black.Sage said Rahu will give the results of the sign

> > (lord) it occuppies and the planets it associate.Thus when the

8th

> > lord is associating, Rahu absorbs all that is related to the 8th

> > bhava, as advised by sage.This results in a deep obsession

towards

> > 8th house matters.Thus your points are really valauble.Now if

other

> > planets too influence Rahu,the results will be mixed.

> >

> > ketu is the reverse force.When Rahu is like a magnet which

attracts

> > iron filings,ketu is like a fan which can blow finer

particles.Ketu

> > is thus the liberating force,which attracts none.When an object

> > absorbs none and liberates all,the result is white.

> >

> > 12th house is the house of energy spent.When Ketu is in the

> 12th,all

> > the energy gets liberated,resulting in vimochana from this

samsara

> or

> > liberation from the bondage of births and rebirths.

> >

> > When all that is absorbed is being liberated,the result is

> > white.Vimshamsha is for worship and spiritual

> inclinations.Sidhamsha

> > is for the sidhis that we have.Spirituality is the direction

> towards

> > spirit or the soul.As Rahu and Ketu will be always under the

> > influence of a single planet (falling in amsha lorded by the

same

> > planet) for matters of Vimshamsha,this amsha may be holding a

vital

> > key as Narasimha ji has mentioned.Conisidering Bhavas in Rashi

> > chakra and seeing their relationship in vimshamsha may take us

> > closer than considering bhavas in amshas, is my undersatnding as

> > advised by sage.

> >

> > Thus looking at Rahu in a chart will reveal our obsessions while

> Ketu

> > reveals what we want to liberate.The obsession results in a

> > strain.When Vairagya is also present the effect may be

full.Release

> > of sexual energy can be with or without our control.when it is

> > within our control,the duration of pleasure is prolonged and

fully

> > felt.Breath control is the key.Similarly release of any form of

> > energy is a pleasure.True energy when liberated with our

> > knowledge,results in the ultimate satisfaction.This may be the

> > awakening.when we are aware of the awakening,we may feel the

> passage

> > of energy through all the channels or one may enjoy and feel all

> the

> > constiuents of light.

> >

> > These are just my humble thoughts,which got triggered after

reading

> > valuable thoughts from you and other learned members of this

group.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >