Kundalini, Sadhana, Austerities /Shri Utpal

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Dear Shri Utpal

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

> Dear Shri Sabri & Shri Vijaydas,

>

> i agree to you both that Rahu is really one of the Vital caltalyst

here in the case of 8th house matters. i have seen chart of one of

my late Neighbour's, who had 'obsession' for 'Spiritual

Sadhana', 'Austerity', 'Truthfullness' and Realisation. he had Rahu

in 8th in Makara & despositor Saturn in exaltation.

>

> Regards,

>

> Utpal

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear shri Sabri

>

> It was nice to read your post and valuable thoughts.

> Satisfaction can result because of lack of knowledge as well as

true

> knowledge.

> True and realized soulss have no doubts and are satisfied.False

> bleiefs and our own convictions can also make us satisfied.

> But non satisfaction and the desire for knowing the Truth,marks the

> beginning of our journey.Obsession and deep attachment towards our

> goal,results.

>

> Undersatnding Rahu and Ketu as you have mentioned may help us here.

>

> Rahu and Ketu are the forces which encompass the essence of all the

> energy forms and tattwas.They bind the forces together.When in true

> form, they represent the confluence of all energies.

>

> Rahu is like the force which can absorb all the ''colours''of

> light.We know when an object absorbs all and liberates none the

> result is black.Sage said Rahu will give the results of the sign

> (lord) it occuppies and the planets it associate.Thus when the 8th

> lord is associating, Rahu absorbs all that is related to the 8th

> bhava, as advised by sage.This results in a deep obsession towards

> 8th house matters.Thus your points are really valauble.Now if

other

> planets too influence Rahu,the results will be mixed.

>

> ketu is the reverse force.When Rahu is like a magnet which

attracts

> iron filings,ketu is like a fan which can blow finer

particles.Ketu

> is thus the liberating force,which attracts none.When an object

> absorbs none and liberates all,the result is white.

>

> 12th house is the house of energy spent.When Ketu is in the

12th,all

> the energy gets liberated,resulting in vimochana from this samsara

or

> liberation from the bondage of births and rebirths.

>

> When all that is absorbed is being liberated,the result is

> white.Vimshamsha is for worship and spiritual

inclinations.Sidhamsha

> is for the sidhis that we have.Spirituality is the direction

towards

> spirit or the soul.As Rahu and Ketu will be always under the

> influence of a single planet (falling in amsha lorded by the same

> planet) for matters of Vimshamsha,this amsha may be holding a

vital

> key as Narasimha ji has mentioned.Conisidering Bhavas in Rashi

> chakra and seeing their relationship in vimshamsha may take us

> closer than considering bhavas in amshas, is my undersatnding as

> advised by sage.

>

> Thus looking at Rahu in a chart will reveal our obsessions while

Ketu

> reveals what we want to liberate.The obsession results in a

> strain.When Vairagya is also present the effect may be

full.Release

> of sexual energy can be with or without our control.when it is

> within our control,the duration of pleasure is prolonged and fully

> felt.Breath control is the key.Similarly release of any form of

> energy is a pleasure.True energy when liberated with our

> knowledge,results in the ultimate satisfaction.This may be the

> awakening.when we are aware of the awakening,we may feel the

passage

> of energy through all the channels or one may enjoy and feel all

the

> constiuents of light.

>

> These are just my humble thoughts,which got triggered after

reading

> valuable thoughts from you and other learned members of this group.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Sabri" <korua@e...> wrote:

> > Dear Lakshmi, Namaste,

> >

> > I guess, Shri Narasimha PVR Rao as well as other learned members

> > have adressed your question, e.g. how to see, in general,

> Kundalini

> > activity in a chart, in Rashi and Vimshamsha, a few threads up.

> >

> > My humble thinking is that, a person who has a spiritually

> powerful

> > chart is a candidate for this kind of activity. Regarding the

> > Jyotish aspect, I have not studies many cases but I would say,

the

> > lord of 8th. house, or any association with 8th. house, and

> > especially Rahu (if associated with 8th. house) would point to

the

> > period that the native may experience Kundalini activity.

> According

> > to my understanding the sudden unpredictable character of Rahu

> > better explains the Kundalini activity, not meaning that without

> > Rahu's influence Kundalini activity will not be there.

> >

> > But to exactly tell which specific person will have this kind of

> > experience and when would not be easy.

> >

> > We can safely assume that all the Spiritual Masters should have

> gone

> > through this process at one point in their lives. So studying

> their

> > charts may bring insight. Of course the other way around is not

> > necessarily or generally true, e.g. somebody who is experiencing

> > Kundalini activity should not expect to realize the truth in a

> > couple of years. It is only the very select few blessed souls

that

> > reach the heights of Realization. Kundalini activity is a land-

> mark

> > on the way, rather towards the end, but in no way a guarantee

that

> > the goal will soon be reached, there are further stages before

the

> > blossoming of full Realization.

> >

> > Sabri.

> >

> > vedic astrology, "lakshmikary"

> > <lakshmikary> wrote:

> > > Hare Krishna

> > > Dear Sabri,

> > > Astrologically in the chart,how can we see where , or rather

how

> > much

> > > of kundalini is developed?PLease post some charts with some

> > specific

> > > times of advanced kundalini experience,development etc.

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Lakshmi-- In vedic astrology, "Sabri"

> <korua@e...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > With due respect to very learned Gurus on this list, I would

> > like

> > > to

> > > > share some thoughts regarding some questions that has been

> > posted.

> > > >

> > > > The awakening of Kundalini refers to a specific phase in the

> > > > Spiritual Pursuit of the seeker of Truth, and Enlightenment.

> > > >

> > > > Whatever is the path that is followed, or the technique that

> is

> > > > used, e.g. yoga, meditation, etc. e.g. the 8 limbs of Yoga,

> The

> > > > Ashtanga Yoga, inclusive of practices like prayer and Japa,

> the

> > > > physiological transformation that leads to the Awareness of

> the

> > > > Truth, Satya is basically the same. E.g. awakening of

> Kundalini

> > is

> > > > an inherent part or phase.

> > > >

> > > > Traditionally different but similar descriptions are given

to

> > > > explain about the rise or awakening of the Kundalini.

> > > >

> > > > The physiology and nervous system of the Realized Soul is

much

> > > > different than that of the ordinary man. A huge

transformation

> > on

> > > > the part of the physiology is needed for the ordinary man to

> > evolve

> > > > into a Realized Person. For the ordinary person there are

> > certain

> > > > parts / tracts of the spinal cord/column that contain

dormant

> > > > nerves, (tracts that go up and down the spinal cord/column)

> e.g.

> > > > nerves that are alive but not functional, that do not

transmit

> > any

> > > > information, these areas are transformed into being fully

> > > functional

> > > > in the case of the Realized Person (also most of the brain

> > > > physiology is dormant and again depending on the state that

is

> > > > reached, the whole of the brain starts to function in the

case

> > of

> > > > the Realized Soul). At a certain stage on the path, this

> > > > transformation of dormant nerves in the spinal cord/column

is

> > felt

> > > > by the aspirant as the rising of energy in the same region

and

> > > > described as the awakening or rising of the Kundalini.

> > > >

> > > > The spiritual path itself is no easy path to follow, due to

> much

> > > > past life karma being burnt up, the effects of which are

felt

> by

> > > the

> > > > aspirant in his daily life, in the form of endless hurdles

and

> > > > difficulties to be beared and surmounted. When we mention

> about

> > > > austerities, penance and sadhana, it is not only the many

> > > > difficulties the aspirant willingly submits himself to (or

> > herself)

> > > > but equally great difficulties are met with, in the

otherwise

> > > normal

> > > > daily life of the aspirant.

> > > >

> > > > Kundalini awakening is not experienced by each and every

> > aspirant

> > > > simply because it is one of the final stages in the path.

But

> > when

> > > > it happens, typically the transformation associated is very

> > > powerful

> > > > and requires a lot of adjustment in the life style, habits,

> and

> > > much

> > > > disconfort is experienced. Again typically from the first

> > awakening

> > > > of the kundalini it takes many years to its full rise. So it

> is

> > not

> > > > an easy short period that one bears and is finished with.

> > > >

> > > > The whole of the spiritual path, and especially the rise of

> the

> > > > kundalini and stages that follow require the full blessings

of

> a

> > > > powerful Guru, for the process to be safe and relatively

more

> > > > confortable. It would be quite risky for one to try to pass

> > through

> > > > this stage without the experience, knowledge and blessings

of

> a

> > > > competent Guru, this explains the "dread" that is associated

> > with

> > > > the Kundalini, e.g. experimenting with the Kundalini without

> > > > guidance is risky. In all walks of life, but especially

> > regarding

> > > > the spiritual path, finding the right Guru cuts short the

long

> > path

> > > > that lies ahead of the aspirant. When The Right Guru is not

> > > > available, the path is much more longer, painful, risky and

> > > reaching

> > > > the goal is not at all assured. The Spiritual Guru

safeguards

> > the

> > > > aspirant in the many obstacles he comes across on the path.

> Some

> > > > techniques that are used for spiritual progress may even be

> > > > physically or psychologically harmful for the aspirant when

> the

> > > > correct guidance, protection and blessings of the Guru is

not

> > there.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding specific questions of Jyothi; Kundalini awakening

is

> > much

> > > > sought after by the aspirants, simply because it leads to

> final

> > > > liberation, but is generally a difficult period to go

through.

> > > >

> > > > Except in rare cases, It does not just happen with no

reason,

> > all

> > > of

> > > > a sudden one morning. Typically long years of meditation or

> > similar

> > > > techniques is needed for the Kundalini to start to rise. But

a

> > > > person may have spiritually evolved in the previous past

life

> so

> > > > much that in this life even a short period of practice or

some

> > > other

> > > > factor may trigger/start it, but this is rare.

> > > >

> > > > When one stops the practice that has lead to the awakening

of

> > the

> > > > Kundalini, the Kundalini activity ceases in a relatively

short

> > > time,

> > > > like at the most a few weeks, and the associated disconfort

> that

> > > may

> > > > be experienced *generally* goes away, although this is not a

> > rule,

> > > > and hence, again the note that one should not play around

with

> > the

> > > > kundalini. It is also possible that some sort of problem or

> > > > disconfort remains.

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand, the soul feels that whatever is happening

> is

> > > > something for good, and the aspirant tries to continue on

his

> > path

> > > > despite the problems that may be associated with the

awakening

> > of

> > > > the Kundalini.

> > > >

> > > > The above notes are general notes, the path and experience

of

> > each

> > > > aspirant is much different than the other, and this depends

on

> > past

> > > > life karmas and the Jyotish chart. There may be aspirants

who

> > > > experience only bliss associated with the Kundalini, nothing

> > else.

> > > >

> > > > Sabri.

>

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