Kundalini, Sadhana, Austerities--Evolving Souls (D-20)

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Dear Utpal, Namaste,

 

Thanks for the illustrative note.

Your note about being "obsessed" with Sadhana, Realisation etc. has

attracted my attention.

 

Indeed some people who are following the spiritual path are seen by

others as being obsessed, since it is often that spiritual people

live a distinct and quite different life style, and for us ordinary

people it is hard to understand why they live this way.

 

I wanted to mention on the other hand that "all souls without

exception" whether they are following a spiritual path or not, are

evolving according to God's plan. Life on this planet is arranged

like that. It is such that some souls at certain reincarnations

choose a spiritual path, that "may" result in an increased pace of

evolution towards the ultimate goal. For these souls often the

spiritual path, and the goal is so attractive, that they change

their beleif systems, and life styles, giving the impression that

they are obsessed, whereas in a good number of cases, they are

simply subject to great attraction of Sattva. Indeed we come across

other cases where some ignorance or lack of guidance leads to being

obsessed in the negative connotation of the word, with no serious

gain in terms of spiritual evolution. E.g. these people are simply

attracted to only the paraphernalia of the subject, or the mystery

that shrouds e.g. a Realized Soul or Saint, and unfortunately not

following a much meaningful path.

 

On a final note, we never know who is evolving at which pace. A

quite ordinary looking soul doing very ordinary things may be

evolving at a very fast pace. The D-20 would give insights in this

regard.

 

Sabri.

 

vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

> Dear Shri Sabri & Shri Vijaydas,

>

> i agree to you both that Rahu is really one of the Vital caltalyst

here in the case of 8th house matters. i have seen chart of one of

my late Neighbour's, who had 'obsession' for 'Spiritual

Sadhana', 'Austerity', 'Truthfullness' and Realisation. he had Rahu

in 8th in Makara & despositor Saturn in exaltation.

>

> Regards,

>

> Utpal

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear shri Sabri

>

> It was nice to read your post and valuable thoughts.

> Satisfaction can result because of lack of knowledge as well as

true

> knowledge.

> True and realized soulss have no doubts and are satisfied.False

> bleiefs and our own convictions can also make us satisfied.

> But non satisfaction and the desire for knowing the Truth,marks the

> beginning of our journey.Obsession and deep attachment towards our

> goal,results.

>

> Undersatnding Rahu and Ketu as you have mentioned may help us here.

>

> Rahu and Ketu are the forces which encompass the essence of all the

> energy forms and tattwas.They bind the forces together.When in true

> form, they represent the confluence of all energies.

>

> Rahu is like the force which can absorb all the ''colours''of

> light.We know when an object absorbs all and liberates none the

> result is black.Sage said Rahu will give the results of the sign

> (lord) it occuppies and the planets it associate.Thus when the 8th

> lord is associating, Rahu absorbs all that is related to the 8th

> bhava, as advised by sage.This results in a deep obsession towards

> 8th house matters.Thus your points are really valauble.Now if

other

> planets too influence Rahu,the results will be mixed.

>

> ketu is the reverse force.When Rahu is like a magnet which

attracts

> iron filings,ketu is like a fan which can blow finer

particles.Ketu

> is thus the liberating force,which attracts none.When an object

> absorbs none and liberates all,the result is white.

>

> 12th house is the house of energy spent.When Ketu is in the

12th,all

> the energy gets liberated,resulting in vimochana from this samsara

or

> liberation from the bondage of births and rebirths.

>

> When all that is absorbed is being liberated,the result is

> white.Vimshamsha is for worship and spiritual

inclinations.Sidhamsha

> is for the sidhis that we have.Spirituality is the direction

towards

> spirit or the soul.As Rahu and Ketu will be always under the

> influence of a single planet (falling in amsha lorded by the same

> planet) for matters of Vimshamsha,this amsha may be holding a

vital

> key as Narasimha ji has mentioned.Conisidering Bhavas in Rashi

> chakra and seeing their relationship in vimshamsha may take us

> closer than considering bhavas in amshas, is my undersatnding as

> advised by sage.

>

> Thus looking at Rahu in a chart will reveal our obsessions while

Ketu

> reveals what we want to liberate.The obsession results in a

> strain.When Vairagya is also present the effect may be

full.Release

> of sexual energy can be with or without our control.when it is

> within our control,the duration of pleasure is prolonged and fully

> felt.Breath control is the key.Similarly release of any form of

> energy is a pleasure.True energy when liberated with our

> knowledge,results in the ultimate satisfaction.This may be the

> awakening.when we are aware of the awakening,we may feel the

passage

> of energy through all the channels or one may enjoy and feel all

the

> constiuents of light.

>

> These are just my humble thoughts,which got triggered after

reading

> valuable thoughts from you and other learned members of this group.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Sabri" <korua@e...> wrote:

> > Dear Lakshmi, Namaste,

> >

> > I guess, Shri Narasimha PVR Rao as well as other learned members

> > have adressed your question, e.g. how to see, in general,

> Kundalini

> > activity in a chart, in Rashi and Vimshamsha, a few threads up.

> >

> > My humble thinking is that, a person who has a spiritually

> powerful

> > chart is a candidate for this kind of activity. Regarding the

> > Jyotish aspect, I have not studies many cases but I would say,

the

> > lord of 8th. house, or any association with 8th. house, and

> > especially Rahu (if associated with 8th. house) would point to

the

> > period that the native may experience Kundalini activity.

> According

> > to my understanding the sudden unpredictable character of Rahu

> > better explains the Kundalini activity, not meaning that without

> > Rahu's influence Kundalini activity will not be there.

> >

> > But to exactly tell which specific person will have this kind of

> > experience and when would not be easy.

> >

> > We can safely assume that all the Spiritual Masters should have

> gone

> > through this process at one point in their lives. So studying

> their

> > charts may bring insight. Of course the other way around is not

> > necessarily or generally true, e.g. somebody who is experiencing

> > Kundalini activity should not expect to realize the truth in a

> > couple of years. It is only the very select few blessed souls

that

> > reach the heights of Realization. Kundalini activity is a land-

> mark

> > on the way, rather towards the end, but in no way a guarantee

that

> > the goal will soon be reached, there are further stages before

the

> > blossoming of full Realization.

> >

> > Sabri.

> >

> > vedic astrology, "lakshmikary"

> > <lakshmikary> wrote:

> > > Hare Krishna

> > > Dear Sabri,

> > > Astrologically in the chart,how can we see where , or rather

how

> > much

> > > of kundalini is developed?PLease post some charts with some

> > specific

> > > times of advanced kundalini experience,development etc.

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Lakshmi-- In vedic astrology, "Sabri"

> <korua@e...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > With due respect to very learned Gurus on this list, I would

> > like

> > > to

> > > > share some thoughts regarding some questions that has been

> > posted.

> > > >

> > > > The awakening of Kundalini refers to a specific phase in the

> > > > Spiritual Pursuit of the seeker of Truth, and Enlightenment.

> > > >

> > > > Whatever is the path that is followed, or the technique that

> is

> > > > used, e.g. yoga, meditation, etc. e.g. the 8 limbs of Yoga,

> The

> > > > Ashtanga Yoga, inclusive of practices like prayer and Japa,

> the

> > > > physiological transformation that leads to the Awareness of

> the

> > > > Truth, Satya is basically the same. E.g. awakening of

> Kundalini

> > is

> > > > an inherent part or phase.

> > > >

> > > > Traditionally different but similar descriptions are given

to

> > > > explain about the rise or awakening of the Kundalini.

> > > >

> > > > The physiology and nervous system of the Realized Soul is

much

> > > > different than that of the ordinary man. A huge

transformation

> > on

> > > > the part of the physiology is needed for the ordinary man to

> > evolve

> > > > into a Realized Person. For the ordinary person there are

> > certain

> > > > parts / tracts of the spinal cord/column that contain

dormant

> > > > nerves, (tracts that go up and down the spinal cord/column)

> e.g.

> > > > nerves that are alive but not functional, that do not

transmit

> > any

> > > > information, these areas are transformed into being fully

> > > functional

> > > > in the case of the Realized Person (also most of the brain

> > > > physiology is dormant and again depending on the state that

is

> > > > reached, the whole of the brain starts to function in the

case

> > of

> > > > the Realized Soul). At a certain stage on the path, this

> > > > transformation of dormant nerves in the spinal cord/column

is

> > felt

> > > > by the aspirant as the rising of energy in the same region

and

> > > > described as the awakening or rising of the Kundalini.

> > > >

> > > > The spiritual path itself is no easy path to follow, due to

> much

> > > > past life karma being burnt up, the effects of which are

felt

> by

> > > the

> > > > aspirant in his daily life, in the form of endless hurdles

and

> > > > difficulties to be beared and surmounted. When we mention

> about

> > > > austerities, penance and sadhana, it is not only the many

> > > > difficulties the aspirant willingly submits himself to (or

> > herself)

> > > > but equally great difficulties are met with, in the

otherwise

> > > normal

> > > > daily life of the aspirant.

> > > >

> > > > Kundalini awakening is not experienced by each and every

> > aspirant

> > > > simply because it is one of the final stages in the path.

But

> > when

> > > > it happens, typically the transformation associated is very

> > > powerful

> > > > and requires a lot of adjustment in the life style, habits,

> and

> > > much

> > > > disconfort is experienced. Again typically from the first

> > awakening

> > > > of the kundalini it takes many years to its full rise. So it

> is

> > not

> > > > an easy short period that one bears and is finished with.

> > > >

> > > > The whole of the spiritual path, and especially the rise of

> the

> > > > kundalini and stages that follow require the full blessings

of

> a

> > > > powerful Guru, for the process to be safe and relatively

more

> > > > confortable. It would be quite risky for one to try to pass

> > through

> > > > this stage without the experience, knowledge and blessings

of

> a

> > > > competent Guru, this explains the "dread" that is associated

> > with

> > > > the Kundalini, e.g. experimenting with the Kundalini without

> > > > guidance is risky. In all walks of life, but especially

> > regarding

> > > > the spiritual path, finding the right Guru cuts short the

long

> > path

> > > > that lies ahead of the aspirant. When The Right Guru is not

> > > > available, the path is much more longer, painful, risky and

> > > reaching

> > > > the goal is not at all assured. The Spiritual Guru

safeguards

> > the

> > > > aspirant in the many obstacles he comes across on the path.

> Some

> > > > techniques that are used for spiritual progress may even be

> > > > physically or psychologically harmful for the aspirant when

> the

> > > > correct guidance, protection and blessings of the Guru is

not

> > there.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding specific questions of Jyothi; Kundalini awakening

is

> > much

> > > > sought after by the aspirants, simply because it leads to

> final

> > > > liberation, but is generally a difficult period to go

through.

> > > >

> > > > Except in rare cases, It does not just happen with no

reason,

> > all

> > > of

> > > > a sudden one morning. Typically long years of meditation or

> > similar

> > > > techniques is needed for the Kundalini to start to rise. But

a

> > > > person may have spiritually evolved in the previous past

life

> so

> > > > much that in this life even a short period of practice or

some

> > > other

> > > > factor may trigger/start it, but this is rare.

> > > >

> > > > When one stops the practice that has lead to the awakening

of

> > the

> > > > Kundalini, the Kundalini activity ceases in a relatively

short

> > > time,

> > > > like at the most a few weeks, and the associated disconfort

> that

> > > may

> > > > be experienced *generally* goes away, although this is not a

> > rule,

> > > > and hence, again the note that one should not play around

with

> > the

> > > > kundalini. It is also possible that some sort of problem or

> > > > disconfort remains.

> > > >

> > > > On the other hand, the soul feels that whatever is happening

> is

> > > > something for good, and the aspirant tries to continue on

his

> > path

> > > > despite the problems that may be associated with the

awakening

> > of

> > > > the Kundalini.

> > > >

> > > > The above notes are general notes, the path and experience

of

> > each

> > > > aspirant is much different than the other, and this depends

on

> > past

> > > > life karmas and the Jyotish chart. There may be aspirants

who

> > > > experience only bliss associated with the Kundalini, nothing

> > else.

> > > >

> > > > Sabri.

>

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Namaste & Thanks for your explanation.

 

I have not clarified one thing in my mail is that His steadfastness & love for

Truthfulness and Sadhana was looked by all as 'Obsession' but not by me. I

always understood his inner feelings. he even made me to perform Gayatri Japa's

anushthan.

 

I got intrested in the topic and have seen all the post from various members.

why? because i myself has rahu in 8th in Makara and despositor saturn in 12th.

and I have a 'obsession' of Astrology (8th house matter) and now my spiritual

being seems to be unfolding. Drig dasha & AK Kendradhi Rashi dasha can be a

very useful tool in timing the unfolding of spiritual side together with D20 &

D9 as you said.

 

that is why i wrote the initial note.

 

thanks & regards,

 

utpal pathak

 

Sabri <korua (AT) efes (DOT) net.tr> wrote:

Dear Utpal, Namaste,Thanks for the illustrative note.Your note about being

"obsessed" with Sadhana, Realisation etc. has attracted my attention.Indeed

some people who are following the spiritual path are seen by others as being

obsessed, since it is often that spiritual people live a distinct and quite

different life style, and for us ordinary people it is hard to understand why

they live this way.I wanted to mention on the other hand that "all souls

without exception" whether they are following a spiritual path or not, are

evolving according to God's plan. Life on this planet is arranged like that. It

is such that some souls at certain reincarnations choose a spiritual path, that

"may" result in an increased pace of evolution towards the ultimate goal. For

these souls often the spiritual path, and the goal is so

attractive, that they change their beleif systems, and life styles, giving the

impression that they are obsessed, whereas in a good number of cases, they are

simply subject to great attraction of Sattva. Indeed we come across other cases

where some ignorance or lack of guidance leads to being obsessed in the negative

connotation of the word, with no serious gain in terms of spiritual evolution.

E.g. these people are simply attracted to only the paraphernalia of the

subject, or the mystery that shrouds e.g. a Realized Soul or Saint, and

unfortunately not following a much meaningful path.On a final note, we never

know who is evolving at which pace. A quite ordinary looking soul doing very

ordinary things may be evolving at a very fast pace. The D-20 would give

insights in this regard.Sabri.vedic astrology, Utpal

Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> Dear Shri Sabri & Shri

Vijaydas,> > i agree to you both that Rahu is really one of the Vital caltalyst

here in the case of 8th house matters. i have seen chart of one of my late

Neighbour's, who had 'obsession' for 'Spiritual Sadhana', 'Austerity',

'Truthfullness' and Realisation. he had Rahu in 8th in Makara & despositor

Saturn in exaltation.> > Regards,> > Utpal> > vijayadas_pradeep

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> Dear shri Sabri> > It was nice to read your

post and valuable thoughts.> Satisfaction can result because of lack of

knowledge as well as true> knowledge.> True and realized soulss have no doubts

and are satisfied.False > bleiefs and our own convictions can also make us

satisfied.> But non satisfaction and the desire for knowing the Truth,marks

the> beginning of our journey.Obsession and deep attachment towards our>

goal,results.> > Undersatnding Rahu and Ketu as you have mentioned may help us

here.> > Rahu and Ketu are the forces which encompass the essence of all the>

energy forms and tattwas.They bind the forces together.When in true> form, they

represent the confluence of all energies.> > Rahu is like the force which can

absorb all the ''colours''of > light.We know when an object absorbs all and

liberates none the > result is black.Sage said Rahu will give the results of

the sign> (lord) it occuppies and the planets it associate.Thus when the 8th >

lord is associating, Rahu absorbs all that is related to the 8th > bhava, as

advised by sage.This results in a deep obsession towards > 8th house

matters.Thus your points are really valauble.Now if other > planets too

influence Rahu,the results will be mixed.> > ketu is the reverse force.When

Rahu is like a magnet which

attracts > iron filings,ketu is like a fan which can blow finer particles.Ketu >

is thus the liberating force,which attracts none.When an object > absorbs none

and liberates all,the result is white.> > 12th house is the house of energy

spent.When Ketu is in the 12th,all > the energy gets liberated,resulting in

vimochana from this samsara or> liberation from the bondage of births and

rebirths.> > When all that is absorbed is being liberated,the result is>

white.Vimshamsha is for worship and spiritual inclinations.Sidhamsha > is for

the sidhis that we have.Spirituality is the direction towards > spirit or the

soul.As Rahu and Ketu will be always under the > influence of a single planet

(falling in amsha lorded by the same > planet) for matters of Vimshamsha,this

amsha may be holding a vital > key as Narasimha ji has mentioned.Conisidering

Bhavas in Rashi

> chakra and seeing their relationship in vimshamsha may take us > closer than

considering bhavas in amshas, is my undersatnding as > advised by sage.> > Thus

looking at Rahu in a chart will reveal our obsessions while Ketu> reveals what

we want to liberate.The obsession results in a > strain.When Vairagya is also

present the effect may be full.Release > of sexual energy can be with or

without our control.when it is > within our control,the duration of pleasure is

prolonged and fully > felt.Breath control is the key.Similarly release of any

form of > energy is a pleasure.True energy when liberated with our >

knowledge,results in the ultimate satisfaction.This may be the > awakening.when

we are aware of the awakening,we may feel the passage > of energy through all

the channels or one may enjoy and feel all the > constiuents of light. > >

These are

just my humble thoughts,which got triggered after reading > valuable thoughts

from you and other learned members of this group.> > Regds> Pradeep> > > > ---

In vedic astrology, "Sabri" <korua@e...> wrote:> > Dear

Lakshmi, Namaste,> > > > I guess, Shri Narasimha PVR Rao as well as other

learned members > > have adressed your question, e.g. how to see, in general, >

Kundalini > > activity in a chart, in Rashi and Vimshamsha, a few threads up.> >

> > My humble thinking is that, a person who has a spiritually > powerful > >

chart is a candidate for this kind of activity. Regarding the > > Jyotish

aspect, I have not studies many cases but I would say, the > > lord of 8th.

house, or any association with 8th. house, and > > especially Rahu (if

associated with 8th. house) would point

to the > > period that the native may experience Kundalini activity. > According

> > to my understanding the sudden unpredictable character of Rahu > > better

explains the Kundalini activity, not meaning that without > > Rahu's influence

Kundalini activity will not be there.> > > > But to exactly tell which specific

person will have this kind of > > experience and when would not be easy.> > > >

We can safely assume that all the Spiritual Masters should have > gone > >

through this process at one point in their lives. So studying > their > >

charts may bring insight. Of course the other way around is not > > necessarily

or generally true, e.g. somebody who is experiencing > > Kundalini activity

should not expect to realize the truth in a > > couple of years. It is only the

very select few blessed souls that >

> reach the heights of Realization. Kundalini activity is a land-> mark > > on

the way, rather towards the end, but in no way a guarantee that > > the goal

will soon be reached, there are further stages before the > > blossoming of

full Realization.> > > > Sabri.> > > > vedic astrology,

"lakshmikary" > > <lakshmikary> wrote:> > > Hare Krishna> > > Dear Sabri,>

> > Astrologically in the chart,how can we see where , or rather how > > much >

> > of kundalini is developed?PLease post some charts with some > > specific >

> > times of advanced kundalini experience,development etc.> > > Best Wishes,>

> > Lakshmi-- In vedic astrology, "Sabri" > <korua@e...> > > >

wrote:> > > >

Namaste,> > > > > > > > With due respect to very learned Gurus on this list, I

would > > like > > > to > > > > share some thoughts regarding some questions

that has been > > posted.> > > > > > > > The awakening of Kundalini refers to a

specific phase in the > > > > Spiritual Pursuit of the seeker of Truth, and

Enlightenment.> > > > > > > > Whatever is the path that is followed, or the

technique that > is > > > > used, e.g. yoga, meditation, etc. e.g. the 8 limbs

of Yoga, > The > > > > Ashtanga Yoga, inclusive of practices like prayer and

Japa, > the > > > > physiological transformation that leads to the Awareness of

> the > > > > Truth, Satya is basically the same. E.g. awakening of > Kundalini

> > is > >

> > an inherent part or phase.> > > > > > > > Traditionally different but

similar descriptions are given to > > > > explain about the rise or awakening

of the Kundalini.> > > > > > > > The physiology and nervous system of the

Realized Soul is much > > > > different than that of the ordinary man. A huge

transformation > > on > > > > the part of the physiology is needed for the

ordinary man to > > evolve > > > > into a Realized Person. For the ordinary

person there are > > certain > > > > parts / tracts of the spinal cord/column

that contain dormant > > > > nerves, (tracts that go up and down the spinal

cord/column) > e.g. > > > > nerves that are alive but not functional, that do

not transmit > > any > > > > information,

these areas are transformed into being fully > > > functional > > > > in the

case of the Realized Person (also most of the brain > > > > physiology is

dormant and again depending on the state that is > > > > reached, the whole of

the brain starts to function in the case > > of > > > > the Realized Soul). At

a certain stage on the path, this > > > > transformation of dormant nerves in

the spinal cord/column is > > felt > > > > by the aspirant as the rising of

energy in the same region and > > > > described as the awakening or rising of

the Kundalini.> > > > > > > > The spiritual path itself is no easy path to

follow, due to > much > > > > past life karma being burnt up, the effects of

which are felt > by > > > the > > > > aspirant

in his daily life, in the form of endless hurdles and > > > > difficulties to be

beared and surmounted. When we mention > about > > > > austerities, penance and

sadhana, it is not only the many > > > > difficulties the aspirant willingly

submits himself to (or > > herself) > > > > but equally great difficulties are

met with, in the otherwise > > > normal > > > > daily life of the aspirant.> >

> > > > > > Kundalini awakening is not experienced by each and every > >

aspirant > > > > simply because it is one of the final stages in the path. But

> > when > > > > it happens, typically the transformation associated is very >

> > powerful > > > > and requires a lot of adjustment in the life style,

habits, > and > > > much > >

> > disconfort is experienced. Again typically from the first > > awakening > >

> > of the kundalini it takes many years to its full rise. So it > is > > not >

> > > an easy short period that one bears and is finished with.> > > > > > > >

The whole of the spiritual path, and especially the rise of > the > > > >

kundalini and stages that follow require the full blessings of > a > > > >

powerful Guru, for the process to be safe and relatively more > > > >

confortable. It would be quite risky for one to try to pass > > through > > > >

this stage without the experience, knowledge and blessings of > a > > > >

competent Guru, this explains the "dread" that is associated > > with > > > >

the Kundalini, e.g. experimenting with the Kundalini without

> > > > guidance is risky. In all walks of life, but especially > > regarding >

> > > the spiritual path, finding the right Guru cuts short the long > > path >

> > > that lies ahead of the aspirant. When The Right Guru is not > > > >

available, the path is much more longer, painful, risky and > > > reaching > >

> > the goal is not at all assured. The Spiritual Guru safeguards > > the > > >

> aspirant in the many obstacles he comes across on the path. > Some > > > >

techniques that are used for spiritual progress may even be > > > > physically

or psychologically harmful for the aspirant when > the > > > > correct

guidance, protection and blessings of the Guru is not > > there.> > > > > > > >

Regarding specific questions of Jyothi;

Kundalini awakening is > > much > > > > sought after by the aspirants, simply

because it leads to > final > > > > liberation, but is generally a difficult

period to go through.> > > > > > > > Except in rare cases, It does not just

happen with no reason, > > all > > > of > > > > a sudden one morning. Typically

long years of meditation or > > similar > > > > techniques is needed for the

Kundalini to start to rise. But a > > > > person may have spiritually evolved

in the previous past life > so > > > > much that in this life even a short

period of practice or some > > > other > > > > factor may trigger/start it, but

this is rare.> > > > > > > > When one stops the practice that has lead to the

awakening of >

> the > > > > Kundalini, the Kundalini activity ceases in a relatively short > >

> time, > > > > like at the most a few weeks, and the associated disconfort >

that > > > may > > > > be experienced *generally* goes away, although this is

not a > > rule, > > > > and hence, again the note that one should not play

around with > > the > > > > kundalini. It is also possible that some sort of

problem or > > > > disconfort remains.> > > > > > > > On the other hand, the

soul feels that whatever is happening > is > > > > something for good, and the

aspirant tries to continue on his > > path > > > > despite the problems that

may be associated with the awakening > > of > > > > the Kundalini.> > > > >

> > > The above notes are general notes, the path and experience of > > each > >

> > aspirant is much different than the other, and this depends on > > past > >

> > life karmas and the Jyotish chart. There may be aspirants who > > > >

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Dear Utpal, Namaste,

 

Thanks for your further notes. Very nice to read your comments on

your interest in Astrology and Spiritual Matters.

 

If I may comment further on personal experience, I personally have

seen and carefully analysed the huge transformation in the very

positive sense that has happened in the lives of quite a number of

close friends. The transformation for these people has been so great

that, turning back they can hardly beleive how they have lived their

life without spiritual association. In no way at all, judging the

life of a non-spiritual soul so to say, since the journey of each

and every soul is to my understanding fantastic in its own, but

spirituallity it seems, opens up so much new that the before life

seems less colourful afterwards.

 

So please take spirituality very seriously, and try to have access

to the purest, genuine and equally potent knowledge available.

 

Traditionally, oftentimes the aspirant had to decide and leave even

his home with no return, at a very early age, for the search of the

right Spiritual Guru. In the present time, so much is available,

through modern communication. So things that were maybe beyond the

reach of many are now available to almost everybody.

 

Best regards, Sabri.

 

 

vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

<vedic_pathak> wrote:

> Dear Sabri,

> Namaste & Thanks for your explanation.

>

> I have not clarified one thing in my mail is that His

steadfastness & love for Truthfulness and Sadhana was looked by all

as 'Obsession' but not by me. I always understood his inner

feelings. he even made me to perform Gayatri Japa's anushthan.

>

> I got intrested in the topic and have seen all the post from

various members. why? because i myself has rahu in 8th in Makara and

despositor saturn in 12th. and I have a 'obsession' of Astrology

(8th house matter) and now my spiritual being seems to be unfolding.

Drig dasha & AK Kendradhi Rashi dasha can be a very useful tool in

timing the unfolding of spiritual side together with D20 & D9 as you

said.

>

>

> that is why i wrote the initial note.

>

> thanks & regards,

>

> utpal pathak

>

>

>

> Sabri <korua@e...> wrote:

> Dear Utpal, Namaste,

>

> Thanks for the illustrative note.

> Your note about being "obsessed" with Sadhana, Realisation etc.

has

> attracted my attention.

>

> Indeed some people who are following the spiritual path are seen

by

> others as being obsessed, since it is often that spiritual people

> live a distinct and quite different life style, and for us

ordinary

> people it is hard to understand why they live this way.

>

> I wanted to mention on the other hand that "all souls without

> exception" whether they are following a spiritual path or not, are

> evolving according to God's plan. Life on this planet is arranged

> like that. It is such that some souls at certain reincarnations

> choose a spiritual path, that "may" result in an increased pace of

> evolution towards the ultimate goal. For these souls often the

> spiritual path, and the goal is so attractive, that they change

> their beleif systems, and life styles, giving the impression that

> they are obsessed, whereas in a good number of cases, they are

> simply subject to great attraction of Sattva. Indeed we come

across

> other cases where some ignorance or lack of guidance leads to

being

> obsessed in the negative connotation of the word, with no serious

> gain in terms of spiritual evolution. E.g. these people are simply

> attracted to only the paraphernalia of the subject, or the mystery

> that shrouds e.g. a Realized Soul or Saint, and unfortunately not

> following a much meaningful path.

>

> On a final note, we never know who is evolving at which pace. A

> quite ordinary looking soul doing very ordinary things may be

> evolving at a very fast pace. The D-20 would give insights in this

> regard.

>

> Sabri.

>

> vedic astrology, Utpal Pathak

> <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> > Dear Shri Sabri & Shri Vijaydas,

> >

> > i agree to you both that Rahu is really one of the Vital

caltalyst

> here in the case of 8th house matters. i have seen chart of one of

> my late Neighbour's, who had 'obsession' for 'Spiritual

> Sadhana', 'Austerity', 'Truthfullness' and Realisation. he had

Rahu

> in 8th in Makara & despositor Saturn in exaltation.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Utpal

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear shri Sabri

> >

> > It was nice to read your post and valuable thoughts.

> > Satisfaction can result because of lack of knowledge as well as

> true

> > knowledge.

> > True and realized soulss have no doubts and are satisfied.False

> > bleiefs and our own convictions can also make us satisfied.

> > But non satisfaction and the desire for knowing the Truth,marks

the

> > beginning of our journey.Obsession and deep attachment towards

our

> > goal,results.

> >

> > Undersatnding Rahu and Ketu as you have mentioned may help us

here.

> >

> > Rahu and Ketu are the forces which encompass the essence of all

the

> > energy forms and tattwas.They bind the forces together.When in

true

> > form, they represent the confluence of all energies.

> >

> > Rahu is like the force which can absorb all the ''colours''of

> > light.We know when an object absorbs all and liberates none the

> > result is black.Sage said Rahu will give the results of the sign

> > (lord) it occuppies and the planets it associate.Thus when the

8th

> > lord is associating, Rahu absorbs all that is related to the 8th

> > bhava, as advised by sage.This results in a deep obsession

towards

> > 8th house matters.Thus your points are really valauble.Now if

> other

> > planets too influence Rahu,the results will be mixed.

> >

> > ketu is the reverse force.When Rahu is like a magnet which

> attracts

> > iron filings,ketu is like a fan which can blow finer

> particles.Ketu

> > is thus the liberating force,which attracts none.When an object

> > absorbs none and liberates all,the result is white.

> >

> > 12th house is the house of energy spent.When Ketu is in the

> 12th,all

> > the energy gets liberated,resulting in vimochana from this

samsara

> or

> > liberation from the bondage of births and rebirths.

> >

> > When all that is absorbed is being liberated,the result is

> > white.Vimshamsha is for worship and spiritual

> inclinations.Sidhamsha

> > is for the sidhis that we have.Spirituality is the direction

> towards

> > spirit or the soul.As Rahu and Ketu will be always under the

> > influence of a single planet (falling in amsha lorded by the

same

> > planet) for matters of Vimshamsha,this amsha may be holding a

> vital

> > key as Narasimha ji has mentioned.Conisidering Bhavas in Rashi

> > chakra and seeing their relationship in vimshamsha may take us

> > closer than considering bhavas in amshas, is my undersatnding as

> > advised by sage.

> >

> > Thus looking at Rahu in a chart will reveal our obsessions while

> Ketu

> > reveals what we want to liberate.The obsession results in a

> > strain.When Vairagya is also present the effect may be

> full.Release

> > of sexual energy can be with or without our control.when it is

> > within our control,the duration of pleasure is prolonged and

fully

> > felt.Breath control is the key.Similarly release of any form of

> > energy is a pleasure.True energy when liberated with our

> > knowledge,results in the ultimate satisfaction.This may be the

> > awakening.when we are aware of the awakening,we may feel the

> passage

> > of energy through all the channels or one may enjoy and feel all

> the

> > constiuents of light.

> >

> > These are just my humble thoughts,which got triggered after

> reading

> > valuable thoughts from you and other learned members of this

group.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sabri" <korua@e...>

wrote:

> > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaste,

> > >

> > > I guess, Shri Narasimha PVR Rao as well as other learned

members

> > > have adressed your question, e.g. how to see, in general,

> > Kundalini

> > > activity in a chart, in Rashi and Vimshamsha, a few threads up.

> > >

> > > My humble thinking is that, a person who has a spiritually

> > powerful

> > > chart is a candidate for this kind of activity. Regarding the

> > > Jyotish aspect, I have not studies many cases but I would say,

> the

> > > lord of 8th. house, or any association with 8th. house, and

> > > especially Rahu (if associated with 8th. house) would point to

> the

> > > period that the native may experience Kundalini activity.

> > According

> > > to my understanding the sudden unpredictable character of Rahu

> > > better explains the Kundalini activity, not meaning that

without

> > > Rahu's influence Kundalini activity will not be there.

> > >

> > > But to exactly tell which specific person will have this kind

of

> > > experience and when would not be easy.

> > >

> > > We can safely assume that all the Spiritual Masters should

have

> > gone

> > > through this process at one point in their lives. So studying

> > their

> > > charts may bring insight. Of course the other way around is

not

> > > necessarily or generally true, e.g. somebody who is

experiencing

> > > Kundalini activity should not expect to realize the truth in a

> > > couple of years. It is only the very select few blessed souls

> that

> > > reach the heights of Realization. Kundalini activity is a land-

> > mark

> > > on the way, rather towards the end, but in no way a guarantee

> that

> > > the goal will soon be reached, there are further stages before

> the

> > > blossoming of full Realization.

> > >

> > > Sabri.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "lakshmikary"

> > > <lakshmikary> wrote:

> > > > Hare Krishna

> > > > Dear Sabri,

> > > > Astrologically in the chart,how can we see where , or rather

> how

> > > much

> > > > of kundalini is developed?PLease post some charts with some

> > > specific

> > > > times of advanced kundalini experience,development etc.

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Lakshmi-- In vedic astrology, "Sabri"

> > <korua@e...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > With due respect to very learned Gurus on this list, I

would

> > > like

> > > > to

> > > > > share some thoughts regarding some questions that has been

> > > posted.

> > > > >

> > > > > The awakening of Kundalini refers to a specific phase in

the

> > > > > Spiritual Pursuit of the seeker of Truth, and

Enlightenment.

> > > > >

> > > > > Whatever is the path that is followed, or the technique

that

> > is

> > > > > used, e.g. yoga, meditation, etc. e.g. the 8 limbs of

Yoga,

> > The

> > > > > Ashtanga Yoga, inclusive of practices like prayer and

Japa,

> > the

> > > > > physiological transformation that leads to the Awareness

of

> > the

> > > > > Truth, Satya is basically the same. E.g. awakening of

> > Kundalini

> > > is

> > > > > an inherent part or phase.

> > > > >

> > > > > Traditionally different but similar descriptions are given

> to

> > > > > explain about the rise or awakening of the Kundalini.

> > > > >

> > > > > The physiology and nervous system of the Realized Soul is

> much

> > > > > different than that of the ordinary man. A huge

> transformation

> > > on

> > > > > the part of the physiology is needed for the ordinary man

to

> > > evolve

> > > > > into a Realized Person. For the ordinary person there are

> > > certain

> > > > > parts / tracts of the spinal cord/column that contain

> dormant

> > > > > nerves, (tracts that go up and down the spinal

cord/column)

> > e.g.

> > > > > nerves that are alive but not functional, that do not

> transmit

> > > any

> > > > > information, these areas are transformed into being fully

> > > > functional

> > > > > in the case of the Realized Person (also most of the brain

> > > > > physiology is dormant and again depending on the state

that

> is

> > > > > reached, the whole of the brain starts to function in the

> case

> > > of

> > > > > the Realized Soul). At a certain stage on the path, this

> > > > > transformation of dormant nerves in the spinal cord/column

> is

> > > felt

> > > > > by the aspirant as the rising of energy in the same region

> and

> > > > > described as the awakening or rising of the Kundalini.

> > > > >

> > > > > The spiritual path itself is no easy path to follow, due

to

> > much

> > > > > past life karma being burnt up, the effects of which are

> felt

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > aspirant in his daily life, in the form of endless hurdles

> and

> > > > > difficulties to be beared and surmounted. When we mention

> > about

> > > > > austerities, penance and sadhana, it is not only the many

> > > > > difficulties the aspirant willingly submits himself to (or

> > > herself)

> > > > > but equally great difficulties are met with, in the

> otherwise

> > > > normal

> > > > > daily life of the aspirant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kundalini awakening is not experienced by each and every

> > > aspirant

> > > > > simply because it is one of the final stages in the path.

> But

> > > when

> > > > > it happens, typically the transformation associated is

very

> > > > powerful

> > > > > and requires a lot of adjustment in the life style,

habits,

> > and

> > > > much

> > > > > disconfort is experienced. Again typically from the first

> > > awakening

> > > > > of the kundalini it takes many years to its full rise. So

it

> > is

> > > not

> > > > > an easy short period that one bears and is finished with.

> > > > >

> > > > > The whole of the spiritual path, and especially the rise

of

> > the

> > > > > kundalini and stages that follow require the full

blessings

> of

> > a

> > > > > powerful Guru, for the process to be safe and relatively

> more

> > > > > confortable. It would be quite risky for one to try to

pass

> > > through

> > > > > this stage without the experience, knowledge and blessings

> of

> > a

> > > > > competent Guru, this explains the "dread" that is

associated

> > > with

> > > > > the Kundalini, e.g. experimenting with the Kundalini

without

> > > > > guidance is risky. In all walks of life, but especially

> > > regarding

> > > > > the spiritual path, finding the right Guru cuts short the

> long

> > > path

> > > > > that lies ahead of the aspirant. When The Right Guru is

not

> > > > > available, the path is much more longer, painful, risky

and

> > > > reaching

> > > > > the goal is not at all assured. The Spiritual Guru

> safeguards

> > > the

> > > > > aspirant in the many obstacles he comes across on the

path.

> > Some

> > > > > techniques that are used for spiritual progress may even

be

> > > > > physically or psychologically harmful for the aspirant

when

> > the

> > > > > correct guidance, protection and blessings of the Guru is

> not

> > > there.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding specific questions of Jyothi; Kundalini

awakening

> is

> > > much

> > > > > sought after by the aspirants, simply because it leads to

> > final

> > > > > liberation, but is generally a difficult period to go

> through.

> > > > >

> > > > > Except in rare cases, It does not just happen with no

> reason,

> > > all

> > > > of

> > > > > a sudden one morning. Typically long years of meditation

or

> > > similar

> > > > > techniques is needed for the Kundalini to start to rise.

But

> a

> > > > > person may have spiritually evolved in the previous past

> life

> > so

> > > > > much that in this life even a short period of practice or

> some

> > > > other

> > > > > factor may trigger/start it, but this is rare.

> > > > >

> > > > > When one stops the practice that has lead to the awakening

> of

> > > the

> > > > > Kundalini, the Kundalini activity ceases in a relatively

> short

> > > > time,

> > > > > like at the most a few weeks, and the associated

disconfort

> > that

> > > > may

> > > > > be experienced *generally* goes away, although this is not

a

> > > rule,

> > > > > and hence, again the note that one should not play around

> with

> > > the

> > > > > kundalini. It is also possible that some sort of problem

or

> > > > > disconfort remains.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the other hand, the soul feels that whatever is

happening

> > is

> > > > > something for good, and the aspirant tries to continue on

> his

> > > path

> > > > > despite the problems that may be associated with the

> awakening

> > > of

> > > > > the Kundalini.

> > > > >

> > > > > The above notes are general notes, the path and experience

> of

> > > each

> > > > > aspirant is much different than the other, and this

depends

> on

> > > past

> > > > > life karmas and the Jyotish chart. There may be aspirants

> who

> > > > > experience only bliss associated with the Kundalini,

nothing

> > > else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sabri.

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