Kundalini, Sadhana, Austerities and Physiology the Spiritual Aspirant (ToJyothi)

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Hare Krishna

Dear Sabri,

Astrologically in the chart,how can we see where , or rather how much

of kundalini is developed?PLease post some charts with some specific

times of advanced kundalini experience,development etc.

Best Wishes,

Lakshmi-- In vedic astrology, "Sabri" <korua@e...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> With due respect to very learned Gurus on this list, I would like

to

> share some thoughts regarding some questions that has been posted.

>

> The awakening of Kundalini refers to a specific phase in the

> Spiritual Pursuit of the seeker of Truth, and Enlightenment.

>

> Whatever is the path that is followed, or the technique that is

> used, e.g. yoga, meditation, etc. e.g. the 8 limbs of Yoga, The

> Ashtanga Yoga, inclusive of practices like prayer and Japa, the

> physiological transformation that leads to the Awareness of the

> Truth, Satya is basically the same. E.g. awakening of Kundalini is

> an inherent part or phase.

>

> Traditionally different but similar descriptions are given to

> explain about the rise or awakening of the Kundalini.

>

> The physiology and nervous system of the Realized Soul is much

> different than that of the ordinary man. A huge transformation on

> the part of the physiology is needed for the ordinary man to evolve

> into a Realized Person. For the ordinary person there are certain

> parts / tracts of the spinal cord/column that contain dormant

> nerves, (tracts that go up and down the spinal cord/column) e.g.

> nerves that are alive but not functional, that do not transmit any

> information, these areas are transformed into being fully

functional

> in the case of the Realized Person (also most of the brain

> physiology is dormant and again depending on the state that is

> reached, the whole of the brain starts to function in the case of

> the Realized Soul). At a certain stage on the path, this

> transformation of dormant nerves in the spinal cord/column is felt

> by the aspirant as the rising of energy in the same region and

> described as the awakening or rising of the Kundalini.

>

> The spiritual path itself is no easy path to follow, due to much

> past life karma being burnt up, the effects of which are felt by

the

> aspirant in his daily life, in the form of endless hurdles and

> difficulties to be beared and surmounted. When we mention about

> austerities, penance and sadhana, it is not only the many

> difficulties the aspirant willingly submits himself to (or herself)

> but equally great difficulties are met with, in the otherwise

normal

> daily life of the aspirant.

>

> Kundalini awakening is not experienced by each and every aspirant

> simply because it is one of the final stages in the path. But when

> it happens, typically the transformation associated is very

powerful

> and requires a lot of adjustment in the life style, habits, and

much

> disconfort is experienced. Again typically from the first awakening

> of the kundalini it takes many years to its full rise. So it is not

> an easy short period that one bears and is finished with.

>

> The whole of the spiritual path, and especially the rise of the

> kundalini and stages that follow require the full blessings of a

> powerful Guru, for the process to be safe and relatively more

> confortable. It would be quite risky for one to try to pass through

> this stage without the experience, knowledge and blessings of a

> competent Guru, this explains the "dread" that is associated with

> the Kundalini, e.g. experimenting with the Kundalini without

> guidance is risky. In all walks of life, but especially regarding

> the spiritual path, finding the right Guru cuts short the long path

> that lies ahead of the aspirant. When The Right Guru is not

> available, the path is much more longer, painful, risky and

reaching

> the goal is not at all assured. The Spiritual Guru safeguards the

> aspirant in the many obstacles he comes across on the path. Some

> techniques that are used for spiritual progress may even be

> physically or psychologically harmful for the aspirant when the

> correct guidance, protection and blessings of the Guru is not there.

>

> Regarding specific questions of Jyothi; Kundalini awakening is much

> sought after by the aspirants, simply because it leads to final

> liberation, but is generally a difficult period to go through.

>

> Except in rare cases, It does not just happen with no reason, all

of

> a sudden one morning. Typically long years of meditation or similar

> techniques is needed for the Kundalini to start to rise. But a

> person may have spiritually evolved in the previous past life so

> much that in this life even a short period of practice or some

other

> factor may trigger/start it, but this is rare.

>

> When one stops the practice that has lead to the awakening of the

> Kundalini, the Kundalini activity ceases in a relatively short

time,

> like at the most a few weeks, and the associated disconfort that

may

> be experienced *generally* goes away, although this is not a rule,

> and hence, again the note that one should not play around with the

> kundalini. It is also possible that some sort of problem or

> disconfort remains.

>

> On the other hand, the soul feels that whatever is happening is

> something for good, and the aspirant tries to continue on his path

> despite the problems that may be associated with the awakening of

> the Kundalini.

>

> The above notes are general notes, the path and experience of each

> aspirant is much different than the other, and this depends on past

> life karmas and the Jyotish chart. There may be aspirants who

> experience only bliss associated with the Kundalini, nothing else.

>

> Sabri.

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Dear Lakshmi, Namaste,

 

I guess, Shri Narasimha PVR Rao as well as other learned members

have adressed your question, e.g. how to see, in general, Kundalini

activity in a chart, in Rashi and Vimshamsha, a few threads up.

 

My humble thinking is that, a person who has a spiritually powerful

chart is a candidate for this kind of activity. Regarding the

Jyotish aspect, I have not studies many cases but I would say, the

lord of 8th. house, or any association with 8th. house, and

especially Rahu (if associated with 8th. house) would point to the

period that the native may experience Kundalini activity. According

to my understanding the sudden unpredictable character of Rahu

better explains the Kundalini activity, not meaning that without

Rahu's influence Kundalini activity will not be there.

 

But to exactly tell which specific person will have this kind of

experience and when would not be easy.

 

We can safely assume that all the Spiritual Masters should have gone

through this process at one point in their lives. So studying their

charts may bring insight. Of course the other way around is not

necessarily or generally true, e.g. somebody who is experiencing

Kundalini activity should not expect to realize the truth in a

couple of years. It is only the very select few blessed souls that

reach the heights of Realization. Kundalini activity is a land-mark

on the way, rather towards the end, but in no way a guarantee that

the goal will soon be reached, there are further stages before the

blossoming of full Realization.

 

Sabri.

 

vedic astrology, "lakshmikary"

<lakshmikary> wrote:

> Hare Krishna

> Dear Sabri,

> Astrologically in the chart,how can we see where , or rather how

much

> of kundalini is developed?PLease post some charts with some

specific

> times of advanced kundalini experience,development etc.

> Best Wishes,

> Lakshmi-- In vedic astrology, "Sabri" <korua@e...>

> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > With due respect to very learned Gurus on this list, I would

like

> to

> > share some thoughts regarding some questions that has been

posted.

> >

> > The awakening of Kundalini refers to a specific phase in the

> > Spiritual Pursuit of the seeker of Truth, and Enlightenment.

> >

> > Whatever is the path that is followed, or the technique that is

> > used, e.g. yoga, meditation, etc. e.g. the 8 limbs of Yoga, The

> > Ashtanga Yoga, inclusive of practices like prayer and Japa, the

> > physiological transformation that leads to the Awareness of the

> > Truth, Satya is basically the same. E.g. awakening of Kundalini

is

> > an inherent part or phase.

> >

> > Traditionally different but similar descriptions are given to

> > explain about the rise or awakening of the Kundalini.

> >

> > The physiology and nervous system of the Realized Soul is much

> > different than that of the ordinary man. A huge transformation

on

> > the part of the physiology is needed for the ordinary man to

evolve

> > into a Realized Person. For the ordinary person there are

certain

> > parts / tracts of the spinal cord/column that contain dormant

> > nerves, (tracts that go up and down the spinal cord/column) e.g.

> > nerves that are alive but not functional, that do not transmit

any

> > information, these areas are transformed into being fully

> functional

> > in the case of the Realized Person (also most of the brain

> > physiology is dormant and again depending on the state that is

> > reached, the whole of the brain starts to function in the case

of

> > the Realized Soul). At a certain stage on the path, this

> > transformation of dormant nerves in the spinal cord/column is

felt

> > by the aspirant as the rising of energy in the same region and

> > described as the awakening or rising of the Kundalini.

> >

> > The spiritual path itself is no easy path to follow, due to much

> > past life karma being burnt up, the effects of which are felt by

> the

> > aspirant in his daily life, in the form of endless hurdles and

> > difficulties to be beared and surmounted. When we mention about

> > austerities, penance and sadhana, it is not only the many

> > difficulties the aspirant willingly submits himself to (or

herself)

> > but equally great difficulties are met with, in the otherwise

> normal

> > daily life of the aspirant.

> >

> > Kundalini awakening is not experienced by each and every

aspirant

> > simply because it is one of the final stages in the path. But

when

> > it happens, typically the transformation associated is very

> powerful

> > and requires a lot of adjustment in the life style, habits, and

> much

> > disconfort is experienced. Again typically from the first

awakening

> > of the kundalini it takes many years to its full rise. So it is

not

> > an easy short period that one bears and is finished with.

> >

> > The whole of the spiritual path, and especially the rise of the

> > kundalini and stages that follow require the full blessings of a

> > powerful Guru, for the process to be safe and relatively more

> > confortable. It would be quite risky for one to try to pass

through

> > this stage without the experience, knowledge and blessings of a

> > competent Guru, this explains the "dread" that is associated

with

> > the Kundalini, e.g. experimenting with the Kundalini without

> > guidance is risky. In all walks of life, but especially

regarding

> > the spiritual path, finding the right Guru cuts short the long

path

> > that lies ahead of the aspirant. When The Right Guru is not

> > available, the path is much more longer, painful, risky and

> reaching

> > the goal is not at all assured. The Spiritual Guru safeguards

the

> > aspirant in the many obstacles he comes across on the path. Some

> > techniques that are used for spiritual progress may even be

> > physically or psychologically harmful for the aspirant when the

> > correct guidance, protection and blessings of the Guru is not

there.

> >

> > Regarding specific questions of Jyothi; Kundalini awakening is

much

> > sought after by the aspirants, simply because it leads to final

> > liberation, but is generally a difficult period to go through.

> >

> > Except in rare cases, It does not just happen with no reason,

all

> of

> > a sudden one morning. Typically long years of meditation or

similar

> > techniques is needed for the Kundalini to start to rise. But a

> > person may have spiritually evolved in the previous past life so

> > much that in this life even a short period of practice or some

> other

> > factor may trigger/start it, but this is rare.

> >

> > When one stops the practice that has lead to the awakening of

the

> > Kundalini, the Kundalini activity ceases in a relatively short

> time,

> > like at the most a few weeks, and the associated disconfort that

> may

> > be experienced *generally* goes away, although this is not a

rule,

> > and hence, again the note that one should not play around with

the

> > kundalini. It is also possible that some sort of problem or

> > disconfort remains.

> >

> > On the other hand, the soul feels that whatever is happening is

> > something for good, and the aspirant tries to continue on his

path

> > despite the problems that may be associated with the awakening

of

> > the Kundalini.

> >

> > The above notes are general notes, the path and experience of

each

> > aspirant is much different than the other, and this depends on

past

> > life karmas and the Jyotish chart. There may be aspirants who

> > experience only bliss associated with the Kundalini, nothing

else.

> >

> > Sabri.

[Guest guest]

If anyone could enlighten me to this discussion as Ive had a puzzling time

trying to figure out the astrological implications in kundalini awakening

through these threads.

What chart are we looking at and what features stand out? I suppose the dasha

period had tremendous effect as well.Sabri <korua (AT) efes (DOT) net.tr> wrote:

Dear Lakshmi, Namaste,I guess, Shri Narasimha PVR Rao as well as other learned

members have adressed your question, e.g. how to see, in general, Kundalini

activity in a chart, in Rashi and Vimshamsha, a few threads up.My humble

thinking is that, a person who has a spiritually powerful chart is a candidate

for this kind of activity. Regarding the Jyotish aspect, I have not studies

many cases but I would say, the lord of 8th. house, or any association with

8th. house, and especially Rahu (if associated with 8th. house) would point to

the period that the native may experience Kundalini activity. According to my

understanding the sudden unpredictable character of Rahu better explains the

Kundalini activity, not meaning that without Rahu's influence Kundalini

activity will not be there.But to exactly tell which specific

person will have this kind of experience and when would not be easy.We can

safely assume that all the Spiritual Masters should have gone through this

process at one point in their lives. So studying their charts may bring

insight. Of course the other way around is not necessarily or generally true,

e.g. somebody who is experiencing Kundalini activity should not expect to

realize the truth in a couple of years. It is only the very select few blessed

souls that reach the heights of Realization. Kundalini activity is a land-mark

on the way, rather towards the end, but in no way a guarantee that the goal

will soon be reached, there are further stages before the blossoming of full

Realization.Sabri.vedic astrology, "lakshmikary"

<lakshmikary> wrote:> Hare Krishna> Dear Sabri,> Astrologically in the

chart,how can we see where , or rather how much > of

kundalini is developed?PLease post some charts with some specific > times of

advanced kundalini experience,development etc.> Best Wishes,> Lakshmi-- In

vedic astrology, "Sabri" <korua@e...> > wrote:> > Namaste,> > >

> With due respect to very learned Gurus on this list, I would like > to > >

share some thoughts regarding some questions that has been posted.> > > > The

awakening of Kundalini refers to a specific phase in the > > Spiritual Pursuit

of the seeker of Truth, and Enlightenment.> > > > Whatever is the path that is

followed, or the technique that is > > used, e.g. yoga, meditation, etc. e.g.

the 8 limbs of Yoga, The > > Ashtanga Yoga, inclusive of practices like prayer

and Japa, the > > physiological transformation that leads to the Awareness of

the > > Truth, Satya is basically

the same. E.g. awakening of Kundalini is > > an inherent part or phase.> > > >

Traditionally different but similar descriptions are given to > > explain about

the rise or awakening of the Kundalini.> > > > The physiology and nervous system

of the Realized Soul is much > > different than that of the ordinary man. A huge

transformation on > > the part of the physiology is needed for the ordinary man

to evolve > > into a Realized Person. For the ordinary person there are certain

> > parts / tracts of the spinal cord/column that contain dormant > > nerves,

(tracts that go up and down the spinal cord/column) e.g. > > nerves that are

alive but not functional, that do not transmit any > > information, these areas

are transformed into being fully > functional > > in the case of the Realized

Person (also most of the brain

> > physiology is dormant and again depending on the state that is > > reached,

the whole of the brain starts to function in the case of > > the Realized

Soul). At a certain stage on the path, this > > transformation of dormant

nerves in the spinal cord/column is felt > > by the aspirant as the rising of

energy in the same region and > > described as the awakening or rising of the

Kundalini.> > > > The spiritual path itself is no easy path to follow, due to

much > > past life karma being burnt up, the effects of which are felt by > the

> > aspirant in his daily life, in the form of endless hurdles and > >

difficulties to be beared and surmounted. When we mention about > >

austerities, penance and sadhana, it is not only the many > > difficulties the

aspirant willingly submits himself to (or herself) > > but equally great

difficulties are met with, in the otherwise > normal > > daily life of the

aspirant.> > > > Kundalini awakening is not experienced by each and every

aspirant > > simply because it is one of the final stages in the path. But when

> > it happens, typically the transformation associated is very > powerful > >

and requires a lot of adjustment in the life style, habits, and > much > >

disconfort is experienced. Again typically from the first awakening > > of the

kundalini it takes many years to its full rise. So it is not > > an easy short

period that one bears and is finished with.> > > > The whole of the spiritual

path, and especially the rise of the > > kundalini and stages that follow

require the full blessings of a > > powerful Guru, for the process to be safe

and relatively more > > confortable. It would be

quite risky for one to try to pass through > > this stage without the

experience, knowledge and blessings of a > > competent Guru, this explains the

"dread" that is associated with > > the Kundalini, e.g. experimenting with the

Kundalini without > > guidance is risky. In all walks of life, but especially

regarding > > the spiritual path, finding the right Guru cuts short the long

path > > that lies ahead of the aspirant. When The Right Guru is not > >

available, the path is much more longer, painful, risky and > reaching > > the

goal is not at all assured. The Spiritual Guru safeguards the > > aspirant in

the many obstacles he comes across on the path. Some > > techniques that are

used for spiritual progress may even be > > physically or psychologically

harmful for the aspirant when the > > correct guidance, protection and

blessings of

the Guru is not there.> > > > Regarding specific questions of Jyothi; Kundalini

awakening is much > > sought after by the aspirants, simply because it leads to

final > > liberation, but is generally a difficult period to go through.> > > >

Except in rare cases, It does not just happen with no reason, all > of > > a

sudden one morning. Typically long years of meditation or similar > >

techniques is needed for the Kundalini to start to rise. But a > > person may

have spiritually evolved in the previous past life so > > much that in this

life even a short period of practice or some > other > > factor may

trigger/start it, but this is rare.> > > > When one stops the practice that has

lead to the awakening of the > > Kundalini, the Kundalini activity ceases in a

relatively short > time, > > like at

the most a few weeks, and the associated disconfort that > may > > be

experienced *generally* goes away, although this is not a rule, > > and hence,

again the note that one should not play around with the > > kundalini. It is

also possible that some sort of problem or > > disconfort remains.> > > > On

the other hand, the soul feels that whatever is happening is > > something for

good, and the aspirant tries to continue on his path > > despite the problems

that may be associated with the awakening of > > the Kundalini.> > > > The

above notes are general notes, the path and experience of each > > aspirant is

much different than the other, and this depends on past > > life karmas and the

Jyotish chart. There may be aspirants who > > experience only bliss associated

with the Kundalini, nothing else.> >

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