Rasi Vs Navamsa: To Rafal and all members

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal and all the other members,

 

I am still confused about the Rasi vs. navamsa aspect.

 

In one of the previous posts by another member who had a gaj kesari

yoga in D1 and jupiter debilitated in Navamsa, there was this comment

from Shri Rafal:

""If there is Raja Yoga, and Navamsa gives debiliation it means

Raja-Bhanga Yoga, and there is no cancellation to this debilitation

when we

talk about Rasi-thulya-Navamsa.

 

Navamsa Neecha-Bhanga helps only in area of Navamsa.""

 

I am not sure if I understand (particularly the last line). Rafal,

can you please elaborate on this.

 

 

Also, about the Rasi vs. navamsa in general, can anyone please answer

some hypothetical questions ( I understand that a complete analysis

of both the charts must be done to give any answer ofr certain, but I

am just looking for general comments)

 

1.) Suppose a planet is exalted in rasi and debilated in navamsa.

What does that mean for the native. Lets assume that all the other

factors (house placement, dispositor) etc are constant or same for

this planet.

 

2.) I have read somewhere that sun and moon (in navamsa) are most

essential for starting and sustaining a yoga. Now, suppose sun and

moon are debilated in navamsa and all the other palnets are exalted

(in navamsa) and forming a yoga in rasi. Does that mean that the

yogas will not be realized.

 

 

Again, as I mentioned previously I would be more interested in

general comments (without specific chart examples) but

if an example helps then I think my planets are STRONG and welll

placed in navamsa BUT AVERAGE in rasi.

Details:

DOB: Dec 20, 1977

TOB: 10:20 am

Place: Dehradun

 

Thanks

Avin

 

 

vedic astrology, "avin6dl" <avin6dl>

wrote:

>

> Dear members,

>

> I am interested in knowing the relative importance of rasi and

> navamsa charts and which chart should be used to do any predictions

> when they are very different from each other.

>

> I understand that-

> 1.) Navamsa is primarily used to determine relationships.

> 2.) There is also this view that navamsa is what you become.

> 3.) There is this third view that navamsa determines whether the

> yogas in the rasi chart will be realized or not.

>

> Now, overall if the planets are in a average/bad position in the

rasi

> chart but in a good position in the navamsa chart, then what would

it

> mean. I am sure it should not be as simple as the argument that it

> means life starts off bad but will improve with time (because

navamsa

> is what you become).

>

> I know there are a couple of good articles on navamsa on the

internet

> (some that would be presented in the Serbia conference) but still I

> would want to know if one of the charts dominates over the other.

>

> I would be more interested in general comments (without examples)

but

> if an example helps then I think my planets are strong and welll

> placed in navamsa and average in rasi.

> Details:

> DOB: Dec 20, 1977

> TOB: 10:20 am

> Place: Dehradun

>

> Thanks

> -Avin

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna

Dear Avin,

TO put it simply, having raja yogas in rasi is like a promise,

but only if navamsa confirms then can it be REALIZED.

There are other reasons behind that, as well, think of concept of

vargottoma. Many people have raja yogas here and there.

1)You also have to look and see if the planets are strong throughout

the divisions (vargas) to see if the shakti of dharma/karma is behind

it.

2)In addition, are the yogas a result of conjunctions of planets?

Or just aspects(these are like desires)

whereas rashi dristhi is permanent.

3) ALso the person has to be running a favorable Dasa to activate the

yogas in a big way.

4) Use the special lagnas to understand power/postions(GL), money

issues(HL).

Make sure to check GL , HL, etc and see if they have a connection

and also connection through their lords , to lagna.

 

Look at some charts of people who have a had lasting fame.They

usually have one favorable Dasa after another, whereas the average

guy, doesnt even live to see his good placements at times,etc.

Best Wishes,

Lakshmi

 

vedic astrology, "avin6dl" <avin6dl>

wrote:

>

> Dear Rafal and all the other members,

>

> I am still confused about the Rasi vs. navamsa aspect.

>

> In one of the previous posts by another member who had a gaj kesari

> yoga in D1 and jupiter debilitated in Navamsa, there was this

comment

> from Shri Rafal:

> ""If there is Raja Yoga, and Navamsa gives debiliation it means

> Raja-Bhanga Yoga, and there is no cancellation to this debilitation

> when we

> talk about Rasi-thulya-Navamsa.

>

> Navamsa Neecha-Bhanga helps only in area of Navamsa.""

>

> I am not sure if I understand (particularly the last line). Rafal,

> can you please elaborate on this.

>

>

> Also, about the Rasi vs. navamsa in general, can anyone please

answer

> some hypothetical questions ( I understand that a complete analysis

> of both the charts must be done to give any answer ofr certain, but

I

> am just looking for general comments)

>

> 1.) Suppose a planet is exalted in rasi and debilated in navamsa.

> What does that mean for the native. Lets assume that all the other

> factors (house placement, dispositor) etc are constant or same for

> this planet.

>

> 2.) I have read somewhere that sun and moon (in navamsa) are most

> essential for starting and sustaining a yoga. Now, suppose sun and

> moon are debilated in navamsa and all the other palnets are exalted

> (in navamsa) and forming a yoga in rasi. Does that mean that the

> yogas will not be realized.

>

>

> Again, as I mentioned previously I would be more interested in

> general comments (without specific chart examples) but

> if an example helps then I think my planets are STRONG and welll

> placed in navamsa BUT AVERAGE in rasi.

> Details:

> DOB: Dec 20, 1977

> TOB: 10:20 am

> Place: Dehradun

>

> Thanks

> Avin

>

>

> vedic astrology, "avin6dl" <avin6dl>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members,

> >

> > I am interested in knowing the relative importance of rasi and

> > navamsa charts and which chart should be used to do any

predictions

> > when they are very different from each other.

> >

> > I understand that-

> > 1.) Navamsa is primarily used to determine relationships.

> > 2.) There is also this view that navamsa is what you become.

> > 3.) There is this third view that navamsa determines whether the

> > yogas in the rasi chart will be realized or not.

> >

> > Now, overall if the planets are in a average/bad position in the

> rasi

> > chart but in a good position in the navamsa chart, then what

would

> it

> > mean. I am sure it should not be as simple as the argument that

it

> > means life starts off bad but will improve with time (because

> navamsa

> > is what you become).

> >

> > I know there are a couple of good articles on navamsa on the

> internet

> > (some that would be presented in the Serbia conference) but still

I

> > would want to know if one of the charts dominates over the other.

> >

> > I would be more interested in general comments (without examples)

> but

> > if an example helps then I think my planets are strong and welll

> > placed in navamsa and average in rasi.

> > Details:

> > DOB: Dec 20, 1977

> > TOB: 10:20 am

> > Place: Dehradun

> >

> > Thanks

> > -Avin