Chara Karaka, vs Naisargika Karka question

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Hello All,

Could some one please explain the finer points between chara karaka

vs naisargika karka. While I understand that JHL calculates chara

karaka, I am not clear on the significance/difference between

chara/naisargika karaka.

 

The example I was using when I got confused was:

(a) Is moon the naisargika karaka for mother, or is it 4th from moon?

Why?

(b) if some other planet is chara karaka for mother, what is the

difference between the above two?

© Can I predict effects to mother based on Dasa of Chara karaka?

What if this conflicts with effects predicted by Moon? (or is it 4th

from moon). If it is 4th from moon, then does Moon dasa mater at all,

in terms of predicting effects to Mother?

 

Any references would help as well.

 

Thank you in advance,

Sharath

[Guest guest]

||| HareRamaKrishna |||

 

Dear Sharath Ji,

 

While I understand that you have asked about the 2 Karakas mentioned

below, I would add that there is another one as well -- sthira (fixed)

karakas.

 

 

The chara (temporal) Karakas carry the spark of the soul in various

shades.

 

a) Naisargik (natural) karaka (significator) for the Mother is the Moon.

 

4th from the Moon is extending the concept of Bhavat Bhavam. This is

similar to understanding relationships as 7th from Venus (for

relationships) or 5th from Jupiter (for children), etc.

 

b) Those who carry the spirit of a Mother, would come with qualities

associated with the said planet, if not the Moon. For example, if the

Matri is Mercury, then the adabtable ones carrying the spirit of hope

offer some form of nurishing and nurturing... This is one interpretation.

 

c) Yes -- if referring to Vimshpttari, consider the Mahadasha of a

said planet.

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

BPHS (English) Translaiton:

 

Ch. 32. Karakatwas of the Grahas

 

1-2. I now detail below Atma Karak etc., obtainable from among the 7

Grahas, viz. Sūrya to Śani. Some say, that Rahu will become a Karak,

when there is a state of similarity in terms of longitude between

(two) Grahas. Yet some say, that the 8 Grahas, including Rahu, will

have to be considered irrespective of such a state.

 

3-8. Atma Karak Defined. Among the Grahas from Sūrya etc. whichever

has traversed maximum number of degrees in a particular Rashi is

called Atma Karak. If the degrees are identical, then the one with

more minutes of arc and, if the minutes are also identical, then the

one with higher seconds of arc, have to be considered. In that case

these three are called Anthya Karak, Madhya Karak and Upakheta. In the

case of Rahu deduct his longitude in that particular Rashi from 30.

The Karakas will have to be decided, as above and, as per further

rules given below. Out of these Karakas, Atma Karak is the most

important and has a prime say on the native, just as the king is the

most famous among the men of his country and is the head of all

affairs and is entitled to arrest and release men.

 

9-12. Importance of Atma Karak. O Brahmin, as the minister cannot go

against the king, the other Karakas, viz. Putr Karak, Amatya Karak

etc. cannot predominate over Atma Karak in the affairs of the native.

If the Atma Karak is adverse, other Karakas cannot give their benefic

effects. Similarly, if Atma Karak is favourable, other Karakas cannot

predominate with their malefic influences.

 

13-17. Other Karakas. The Grah next to Atma Karak in terms of

longitude is called Amatya Karak. Similarly following one another in

terms of longitude are Bhratru Karak, Matru Karak, Pitru Karak, Putr

Karak, Gnati Karak and Stri Karak. These are Char Karakas, or

inconstant significators. Some consider Matru Karak and Putr Karak, as

identical. If two Grahas have the same longitude, both become the same

Karak, in which case there will be a deficit of one Karak. In that

circumstance consider constant significator in the context of

benefic/malefic influence for the concerned relative.

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Best wishes,

Bala Gopal.

 

 

vedic astrology, "kwool_rat" <kwool_rat>

wrote:

> Hello All,

> Could some one please explain the finer points between chara karaka

> vs naisargika karka. While I understand that JHL calculates chara

> karaka, I am not clear on the significance/difference between

> chara/naisargika karaka.

>

> The example I was using when I got confused was:

> (a) Is moon the naisargika karaka for mother, or is it 4th from moon?

> Why?

> (b) if some other planet is chara karaka for mother, what is the

> difference between the above two?

> © Can I predict effects to mother based on Dasa of Chara karaka?

> What if this conflicts with effects predicted by Moon? (or is it 4th

> from moon). If it is 4th from moon, then does Moon dasa mater at all,

> in terms of predicting effects to Mother?

>

> Any references would help as well.

>

> Thank you in advance,

> Sharath

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bala ji,

If you know more about 7th from venus etc, it would be helpfull. That is what is

the

difference between say 5th from Jupiter vs Jupiter itself with regard to

children. Or 4th

from Moon, vs moon itself..?

Many thanks for the reply you have already sent

Sharath

vedic astrology, "eveningwish" <eveningwish> wrote:

> ||| HareRamaKrishna |||

>

> Dear Sharath Ji,

>

> While I understand that you have asked about the 2 Karakas mentioned

> below, I would add that there is another one as well -- sthira (fixed)

> karakas.

>

>

> The chara (temporal) Karakas carry the spark of the soul in various

> shades.

>

> a) Naisargik (natural) karaka (significator) for the Mother is the Moon.

>

> 4th from the Moon is extending the concept of Bhavat Bhavam. This is

> similar to understanding relationships as 7th from Venus (for

> relationships) or 5th from Jupiter (for children), etc.

>

> b) Those who carry the spirit of a Mother, would come with qualities

> associated with the said planet, if not the Moon. For example, if the

> Matri is Mercury, then the adabtable ones carrying the spirit of hope

> offer some form of nurishing and nurturing... This is one interpretation.

>

> c) Yes -- if referring to Vimshpttari, consider the Mahadasha of a

> said planet.

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

> BPHS (English) Translaiton:

>

> Ch. 32. Karakatwas of the Grahas

>

> 1-2. I now detail below Atma Karak etc., obtainable from among the 7

> Grahas, viz. Sūrya to Śani. Some say, that Rahu will become a Karak,

> when there is a state of similarity in terms of longitude between

> (two) Grahas. Yet some say, that the 8 Grahas, including Rahu, will

> have to be considered irrespective of such a state.

>

> 3-8. Atma Karak Defined. Among the Grahas from Sūrya etc. whichever

> has traversed maximum number of degrees in a particular Rashi is

> called Atma Karak. If the degrees are identical, then the one with

> more minutes of arc and, if the minutes are also identical, then the

> one with higher seconds of arc, have to be considered. In that case

> these three are called Anthya Karak, Madhya Karak and Upakheta. In the

> case of Rahu deduct his longitude in that particular Rashi from 30.

> The Karakas will have to be decided, as above and, as per further

> rules given below. Out of these Karakas, Atma Karak is the most

> important and has a prime say on the native, just as the king is the

> most famous among the men of his country and is the head of all

> affairs and is entitled to arrest and release men.

>

> 9-12. Importance of Atma Karak. O Brahmin, as the minister cannot go

> against the king, the other Karakas, viz. Putr Karak, Amatya Karak

> etc. cannot predominate over Atma Karak in the affairs of the native.

> If the Atma Karak is adverse, other Karakas cannot give their benefic

> effects. Similarly, if Atma Karak is favourable, other Karakas cannot

> predominate with their malefic influences.

>

> 13-17. Other Karakas. The Grah next to Atma Karak in terms of

> longitude is called Amatya Karak. Similarly following one another in

> terms of longitude are Bhratru Karak, Matru Karak, Pitru Karak, Putr

> Karak, Gnati Karak and Stri Karak. These are Char Karakas, or

> inconstant significators. Some consider Matru Karak and Putr Karak, as

> identical. If two Grahas have the same longitude, both become the same

> Karak, in which case there will be a deficit of one Karak. In that

> circumstance consider constant significator in the context of

> benefic/malefic influence for the concerned relative.

> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

>

> Best wishes,

> Bala Gopal.

>

>

> vedic astrology, "kwool_rat" <kwool_rat>

> wrote:

> > Hello All,

> > Could some one please explain the finer points between chara karaka

> > vs naisargika karka. While I understand that JHL calculates chara

> > karaka, I am not clear on the significance/difference between

> > chara/naisargika karaka.

> >

> > The example I was using when I got confused was:

> > (a) Is moon the naisargika karaka for mother, or is it 4th from moon?

> > Why?

> > (b) if some other planet is chara karaka for mother, what is the

> > difference between the above two?

> > © Can I predict effects to mother based on Dasa of Chara karaka?

> > What if this conflicts with effects predicted by Moon? (or is it 4th

> > from moon). If it is 4th from moon, then does Moon dasa mater at all,

> > in terms of predicting effects to Mother?

> >

> > Any references would help as well.

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> > Sharath