Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Dear Friends, I have seen many who bost about the vedic astrolgy, still doesn't know a bit about it. Please try answering these questions? 1) On planets: Does the planets afect out destiny through their gravitational force? or is the light reflected from the sun by the planets that afect us? Or is the simily of a watch is more proper that shows time, still in any way doesn't control time? 2) On Karma Is it it the karma that affect our life? What kind of a thing is this karma? Does it attach itself to our atman? and After all what is this atman? If we believe in darvin, should we have to think that even dinosers possesed atma and that in our previous births we all were denosers? 3) On the scientific foundation of astrology: Is astrology a science? In the analitical/holistic approches where did astrology stand? If according to ancient texts 'sasthra' (astrology is called jyothisasthra in sanskrit) means advice (sasyathe ithi sasthra) why should we still argue that it is a science? I think these three questions is more than enough for a classical and bold discussion of ancient astrology. How many would be ready to answer these is the only qn remaining. email : sreelid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Dear Sreelid, Before you expect a true answer from someone please give your name. Many in this list do not answer questions if true identity of the person is not known. Jyotish premise is that only person who is truly presents himself or herself should be given this knowledge. Your name is the beeja akshara which identifies your Atma(sun), Not showing your name is equivalent to Rahu eclipsing it. Warm Regards Sanjay P Hari Om Tat Sat On 6/14/05, sreelid <sreelid > wrote: Dear Friends, I have seen many who bost about the vedic astrolgy, still doesn't know a bit about it. Please try answering these questions? 1) On planets: Does the planets afect out destiny through their gravitational force? or is the light reflected from the sun by the planets that afect us? Or is the simily of a watch is more proper that shows time, still in any way doesn't control time? 2) On Karma Is it it the karma that affect our life? What kind of a thing is this karma? Does it attach itself to our atman? and After all what is this atman? If we believe in darvin, should we have to think that even dinosers possesed atma and that in our previous births we all were denosers? 3) On the scientific foundation of astrology: Is astrology a science? In the analitical/holistic approches where did astrology stand? If according to ancient texts 'sasthra' (astrology is called jyothisasthra in sanskrit) means advice (sasyathe ithi sasthra) why should we still argue that it is a science? I think these three questions is more than enough for a classical and bold discussion of ancient astrology. How many would be ready to answer these is the only qn remaining. email : sreelid vedic astrology/ vedic astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I am not hiding my name. It is just a mistake. Am I supposed to include my name in the mail? if so, I will introduce my self. I am Sreenadh, an astrologer, and programmer by profession. Residing in Calicut, Kerala, India. Thanks for the replay. Let us go back to the subject. With love, Sreenadh Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news &; more. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Sreenadh 1) On planets: > Does the planets afect out destiny through their gravitational > force? or is the light reflected from the sun by the planets that > afect us? Or is the simily of a watch is more proper that shows time, > still in any way doesn't control time? Every event in time space continuim futher spurs out many possibilities in what is called a "Cone of Time Space Continuim". Refer to this relation in Brief history of time by Stephen Hawking. Now to Jyotish, the event is caused through energy - be it through light, heat, gravity - reflected or direct. If there was a mechanism to draw the vectors of energy received at a particular point of time, with their magnitudes, by all the concerned grahas, we can give out the possibility of further events in the Cone of Time Space Continuim. The Grahas, their shad balas and the way they are placed, are the way vectors of energy are formed and the way they will influence the event (Let us say birth). The second part of your first question is "Who controls time". Time is not a thing to be controlled. It exists with space and causation and it's material cause for an unrealized soul is Maya. 2) On Karma > Is it it the karma that affect our life? What kind of a thing is > this karma? Does it attach itself to our atman? and After all what is > this atman? Karma is our action. It is in our hands and we cannot be without it. Even to think is doing Karma. It does not attach to Atman. Atman is Satya. It is Real. However, words fail to define atman, as the word "Satya" is said in view of "Asat" and Real is said while subconsciously referring to Unreal. However, this is the best way to define Atman. Atman is a Sakshi, a witness. It does not participate in the karma but without its power no karma can take place. When you ask "what is this Atman", your question presupposes Atman as a material, which it is not. To define it in material terms which is born out of Maya, will be false. To define it as an entity in time and space, will be wrong as it is part of Maya. The Veda is written for the same and I suggest you study them. It is not something that is meant to be discussed on the Internet. If we believe in darvin, should we have to think that > even dinosers possesed atma and that in our previous births we all > were denosers? Possibility exists but can you verify it? Secondly, talking of Darwin who says "There is continuous evolution". He is presupposing that there must have been devolution earlier. Or else what are we evolving to? What is the standard of measuring whether we are evolving or devolving? > Is astrology a science? In the analitical/holistic approches where > did astrology stand? If according to ancient texts 'sasthra' > (astrology is called jyothisasthra in sanskrit) means advice > (sasyathe ithi sasthra) why should we still argue that it is a > science? After above discussion, please answer this question yourself. By believing or not believing in gravity, if one jumps out of the window from a height, one is sure to fall. Let people believe what they want to, Jyotish's character does not change. Thanks and Regards Bharat vedic astrology, "sreelid" <sreelid> wrote: > Dear Friends, > I have seen many who bost about the vedic astrolgy, still doesn't > know a bit about it. Please try answering these questions? > 1) On planets: > Does the planets afect out destiny through their gravitational > force? or is the light reflected from the sun by the planets that > afect us? Or is the simily of a watch is more proper that shows time, > still in any way doesn't control time? > 2) On Karma > Is it it the karma that affect our life? What kind of a thing is > this karma? Does it attach itself to our atman? and After all what is > this atman? If we believe in darvin, should we have to think that > even dinosers possesed atma and that in our previous births we all > were denosers? > 3) On the scientific foundation of astrology: > Is astrology a science? In the analitical/holistic approches where > did astrology stand? If according to ancient texts 'sasthra' > (astrology is called jyothisasthra in sanskrit) means advice > (sasyathe ithi sasthra) why should we still argue that it is a > science? > > I think these three questions is more than enough for a classical > and bold discussion of ancient astrology. How many would be ready to > answer these is the only qn remaining. > email : sreelid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Dear Sir, I will try and explain to you what the base of Jyotisha is. I may have to interrupt this mail as well as I am busy with other matters. Karma is that which you just did and which i am doing. Once born on this earth there is no escaping this karma. You have to breathe the air, you have to walk on the earth and you have to eat, drink, pass water and faeces eithrt on the earth or in water as may be the case. Besides this you will possibly have sex and discharge semen( as a man) and this will contain a millions of individual jeevas. All of them being destined to live in the Raurava naraka which is the seminal vesicle where the possibilty of rebirth is very slim. All that is Karma as well. all beings have a mind which identifies with the body. The body commits the karma but because the mind identifies with it, the mud of karma sticks to it closely. When somebodies mind identifies with the Atma then that person stops identifying with karma and becomes a jeevan mukta(Jeevan mukta na sankshayah) Now, when the body dies the sookshma sharira carries the karma committed and looks for a womb most appropriate to the discharge of these karmas. That is when rebirth occurs. Some karmas may be carried over to many lifetimes as its exhaustion may not be possible in one lifetime. For example, having virtually drunk the mothers juices for 9 months how do you expect this karma to be exhausted in just one lifetime? About the grahas and whether the planets are represented or not I will comment later. Regards Dr M Pandit www.jyotishashastra.org www.shreerudram.com www.jyotishapublications.co.uk www.gajanana.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 With due respect to you Dr Pandit, I am finding it bit difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Just as a curiosity, like men women also should carry many individual Jeevas - isn't it ? Pardon my ignorance on this complex matter. Regards, Anil - mmpandit2003 vedic astrology Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:33 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Base of Astrology Dear Sir,I will try and explain to you what the base of Jyotisha is. I may have to interrupt this mail as well as I am busy with other matters.Karma is that which you just did and which i am doing.Once born on this earth there is no escaping this karma.You have to breathe the air, you have to walk on the earth and you have to eat, drink, pass water and faeces eithrt on the earth or in water as may be the case.Besides this you will possibly have sex and discharge semen( as a man)and this will contain a millions of individual jeevas.All of them being destined to live in the Raurava naraka which is the seminal vesicle where the possibilty of rebirth is very slim.All that is Karma as well.all beings have a mind which identifies with the body. The body commits the karma but because the mind identifies with it, the mud of karma sticks to it closely.When somebodies mind identifies with the Atma then that person stops identifying with karma and becomes a jeevan mukta(Jeevan mukta na sankshayah)Now, when the body dies the sookshma sharira carries the karma committed and looks for a womb most appropriate to the discharge of these karmas.That is when rebirth occurs. Some karmas may be carried over to many lifetimes as its exhaustion may not be possible in one lifetime.For example, having virtually drunk the mothers juices for 9 months how do you expect this karma to be exhausted in just one lifetime?About the grahas and whether the planets are represented or not I will comment later.RegardsDr M Panditwww.jyotishashastra.orgwww.shreerudram.comwww.jyotishapublications.co.ukwww.gajanana.co.ukArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Dear Anil! I think that it is great mistake to consider all cells in organism as the storage of jeevas. The birth of man doesn't depend only on this factor. Lyudmila vedic astrology, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote: > With due respect to you Dr Pandit, I am finding it bit difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Just as a curiosity, like men women also should carry many individual Jeevas - isn't it ? > > Pardon my ignorance on this complex matter. > > Regards, > > Anil > - > mmpandit2003 > vedic astrology > Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:33 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Base of Astrology > > > Dear Sir, > > I will try and explain to you what the base of Jyotisha is. I may > have to interrupt this mail as well as I am busy with other matters. > Karma is that which you just did and which i am doing. > Once born on this earth there is no escaping this karma. > You have to breathe the air, you have to walk on the earth and you > have to eat, drink, pass water and faeces eithrt on the earth or in > water as may be the case. > Besides this you will possibly have sex and discharge semen( as a man) > and this will contain a millions of individual jeevas. > All of them being destined to live in the Raurava naraka which is the > seminal vesicle where the possibilty of rebirth is very slim. > All that is Karma as well. > all beings have a mind which identifies with the body. The body > commits the karma but because the mind identifies with it, the mud of > karma sticks to it closely. > When somebodies mind identifies with the Atma then that person stops > identifying with karma and becomes a jeevan mukta(Jeevan mukta na > sankshayah) > Now, when the body dies the sookshma sharira carries the karma > committed and looks for a womb most appropriate to the discharge of > these karmas. > That is when rebirth occurs. Some karmas may be carried over to many > lifetimes as its exhaustion may not be possible in one lifetime. > For example, having virtually drunk the mothers juices for 9 months > how do you expect this karma to be exhausted in just one lifetime? > About the grahas and whether the planets are represented or not I > will comment later. > > Regards > Dr M Pandit > www.jyotishashastra.org > www.shreerudram.com > www.jyotishapublications.co.uk > www.gajanana.co.uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Dear Anil, Have you seen any of the invitro fertilization procedures? If you do or if you find out about these then perhaps you will realise what I mean. Regards Dr Pandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Dear srilid, I do not know astrology, but please allow me to comment on your questions: > 1) On planets: > Does the planets afect out destiny through their gravitational > force? or is the light reflected from the sun by the planets that > afect us? Or is the simily of a watch is more proper that shows time, I have heard in one of the audio lessons of sri p.v. narasimha rao, where he mentioned that we don't have an answer to this question. > 2) On Karma > Is it it the karma that affect our life? What kind of a thing is > this karma? Does it attach itself to our atman? and After all what In the book Yog Vashistha (ISBN 087395954X ) , its stated that everything happens to us is the result of our own karma only, even brahma and vishnu gets their place by their own karma. To understand the true nature of karma, one-liners like this won't work, i would kindly suggest this book to you to read and comprehend. To understand how the karma's get carried over from life to life, i don't know any hindu religious literature shedding light on this aspect, anyways i am not an SME here :-). But, i have heard some audio-books from a well-known western psychic named Syliva Brown; she has researched on this subject (and several others). According to her theroy, there is something known as "cell-memory". As far as i know, She puts a lot of logic and testaments behind her research. I don't remember the exact cassette name, so you have do your own listening/reading regarding this. Also, FYI, She is not a hindu, i don't know her personally and i won't attest blindly to all of her research. So its up to you to take her explaination as quenching your thirst or keep looking. If you get a chance to read all of her books (or listen to the cassettes), you may also get answer for whether we being dinosours (or aliens for that matter) at some point or not. Sorry for not answering straight, as each view expressed here can open another pandora's box! > 3) On the scientific foundation of astrology: My personal opinion is that knowing the answer to this question makes no difference to anybody living or dead whatsoever. Finessing the definition of Astrology or inquiring its art vs. science vs xyz nature shall only bring more discussion and more views as we will always have different viewpoints. But, if i were to answer the question if it belongs to science category (besides several others) or not, i would definately put it under science. There are two parts of astrology , ganita and phalita, and as per my understanding ganita part is definately science as it involves dynamics, trignometry, astronomy, geometery and several other mathematical divisions. regarding phalita, it also belongs to science category as it involves probabilty. Please read P.V. Narasimha's book or visit his website for detailed explaination. If not yet convinced, see what other stuff we have around the world that we tag it as science :-) fuzzy logic,weather analysis and prediction, market analysis and prediction , calculating ROI of a project to name a few. Thanks for reading this far! regards Utpal vedic astrology, "sreelid" <sreelid> wrote: > Dear Friends, > I have seen many who bost about the vedic astrolgy, still doesn't > know a bit about it. Please try answering these questions? > 1) On planets: > Does the planets afect out destiny through their gravitational > force? or is the light reflected from the sun by the planets that > afect us? Or is the simily of a watch is more proper that shows time, > still in any way doesn't control time? > 2) On Karma > Is it it the karma that affect our life? What kind of a thing is > this karma? Does it attach itself to our atman? and After all what is > this atman? If we believe in darvin, should we have to think that > even dinosers possesed atma and that in our previous births we all > were denosers? > 3) On the scientific foundation of astrology: > Is astrology a science? In the analitical/holistic approches where > did astrology stand? If according to ancient texts 'sasthra' > (astrology is called jyothisasthra in sanskrit) means advice > (sasyathe ithi sasthra) why should we still argue that it is a > science? > > I think these three questions is more than enough for a classical > and bold discussion of ancient astrology. How many would be ready to > answer these is the only qn remaining. > email : sreelid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Namaskaar Sri Pandit That is when rebirth occurs. Some karmas may be carried over to many > lifetimes as its exhaustion may not be possible in one lifetime. > For example, having virtually drunk the mothers juices for 9 months > how do you expect this karma to be exhausted in just one lifetime? The Veda says each birth or even an instant is enough to remove karma of many lives. The understanding of the same is as follows: Karma is under an imagined state of limited being. Karma is an effort to fulfill oneself or to complete oneself. This is just as a spring tries to regain its natural state when pressed. In knowing oneself to be Full and complete being, the karma and its results fall off. Knowledge is oneself is not dependent upon karma. Karma can free the mind of its associations but still ignorance can persist. Karma born of ignorance cannot be the cause of realization. Knowledge is - i.e. Veda means knowledge. In essense, the exhaustion of karma can be finished in a split second when knowledge of oneself dawns. Secondly, I believe you are the Dr. Pandit whose book have been much appreciated in all groups. As a student of astrology (Astrology is such we can never become its teachers), I am very keen on reading the same. Are you planning to bring an Indian edition out? Thanks and Regards Bharat -- In vedic astrology, "mmpandit2003" <mmpandit2003> wrote: > Dear Sir, > > I will try and explain to you what the base of Jyotisha is. I may > have to interrupt this mail as well as I am busy with other matters. > Karma is that which you just did and which i am doing. > Once born on this earth there is no escaping this karma. > You have to breathe the air, you have to walk on the earth and you > have to eat, drink, pass water and faeces eithrt on the earth or in > water as may be the case. > Besides this you will possibly have sex and discharge semen( as a man) > and this will contain a millions of individual jeevas. > All of them being destined to live in the Raurava naraka which is the > seminal vesicle where the possibilty of rebirth is very slim. > All that is Karma as well. > all beings have a mind which identifies with the body. The body > commits the karma but because the mind identifies with it, the mud of > karma sticks to it closely. > When somebodies mind identifies with the Atma then that person stops > identifying with karma and becomes a jeevan mukta(Jeevan mukta na > sankshayah) > Now, when the body dies the sookshma sharira carries the karma > committed and looks for a womb most appropriate to the discharge of > these karmas. > That is when rebirth occurs. Some karmas may be carried over to many > lifetimes as its exhaustion may not be possible in one lifetime. > For example, having virtually drunk the mothers juices for 9 months > how do you expect this karma to be exhausted in just one lifetime? > About the grahas and whether the planets are represented or not I > will comment later. > > Regards > Dr M Pandit > www.jyotishashastra.org > www.shreerudram.com > www.jyotishapublications.co.uk > www.gajanana.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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