Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Om Namah Sivaya Please use caution.i never sent message titled Good day. May be damaging play by someone. i dont know what to do. i got one message from team too that some messagae had a virus in attachment. hope all take precaution. May god save all from ill happening if any in my name. HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ Swami Daivyagya 199,MMIG Guru Kripa Shaheed Nagar AGRA 282001 P +91-562-223-2323 Mob 94122 65323 http://www.cosmograce.com ------------------------ - <vedic astrology> <vedic astrology> Monday, June 13, 2005 8:20 PM [vedic astrology] Digest Number 3149 There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Vargottama "Swami Daivyaga" <swami_rcs 2. astrlogical cycles and yogic postures "michael grogan" <tropical 3. Re: astrlogical cycles and yogic postures amit gupta <vegasquared 4. RE: Help in Selecting right profession "maulikgandhi5" <maulikgandhi5 5. Sanjay Rath's Hora Lagna Lecture available for download "ray1k" <jaan911 6. Re: Michael Jackson "Ivar Verploegh" <i.d.verploegh 7. Re: 2008 Presidential elections (Al Gore -No way!) "Manjunath Sharma" <nakshatras 8. Re: astrlogical cycles and yogic postures "sanjayprabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar 9. Re: PanditJi: Rahu in Aries in 8th house- Mahadahsha Panditji <navagraha 10. 6/12 Sunday, CDT, 9am.... Today's Star-Report Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid 11. Re: astrlogical cycles and yogic postures "michael grogan" <tropical 12. Re: astrlogical cycles and yogic postures "sanjayprabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar 13. BA VEDANGA JYOTISHA COURSE dewavrat buit <dewavrat2000 14. kethu ring. "ambujaksa_das" <ambujaksa_ 15. Effect of Mars for Virgo ascendant - Can some one answer my query "sangamithirai_j" <sangamithirai_j 16. Respected Gurus PLz Advice!!!!!!!!! "gaura321979" <gaura321979 17. Saturn Series # 4 2 Goals & Prescriptions for Strengthening Saturn....Mark Kincaid 6/12 Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid 18. Debilitated Mars in 3rd House "shiveda_c" <shiveda_c 19. RE: Help Needed for Family viv <vivluv_2000 20. Please guide me.... "ashuboss1" <ashuboss1 21. Re: atmakaraka in Al "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27 22. Good day swami_rcs 23. Re: atmakaraka in Al "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27 24. Vimshamsha - Shri Visti Larsen "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep 25. Re: Jhora 7.02 vs Swiss Ephemeris "sanjayprabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:34:35 +0530 "Swami Daivyaga" <swami_rcs Vargottama Om Gurave Namah Om Namah Sivaya "Dear friends, To day at 10:35 AM on 12 june 2005 all planets are in Vargottama . i mean fron sun to rahu. Any body can indicate any special significance in mundane matters or in Natal/ transits.I think it is rare occurance. Thanks in advance" Dear sirs please ignore above message.Due to resolution change i mistook rasi for navanmsa and erred.sorry to bother some of learned astrologer. I sincerely apologise for my oversight. HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ Swami Daivyagya [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:44:40 -0000 "michael grogan" <tropical astrlogical cycles and yogic postures Hi, I read in a book on sadhus about yogis who will hold the same posture for 12 years. When does the 12 year cycle begin? Does the 12-year cycle relate directly to the 12 houses or signs? mike ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:56:30 -0700 (PDT) amit gupta <vegasquared Re: astrlogical cycles and yogic postures thats interesting.....ones i know know the begging posutre really well! not sure how they would retain a posture for that period unless they were in deepest meditation...even then at some point they have to eat either from the sun or from prana or from normal foods.. interesting stuff tho michael grogan <tropical wrote: Hi, I read in a book on sadhus about yogis who will hold the same posture for 12 years. When does the 12 year cycle begin? Does the 12-year cycle relate directly to the 12 houses or signs? mike vedic astrology/ vedic astrology Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:32:58 -0000 "maulikgandhi5" <maulikgandhi5 RE: Help in Selecting right profession First of all thanks Shri Sathinarayanaji for giving insight in my career and i would appologise u for responding late to your mail. my only concern is combination of Saturn,Rahu and moon of Simha rashi in 12th house.Does this indicate any MAJOR loss from stocks and shares in the future or get me in any Debt trap. -- In vedic astrology, Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816> wrote: > Dear Shri.Maulik, > Your 'Fortune'falls on sagittarius which is your 5th > house from your natal Lagna and its Lord Guru is > exalted,this indicates that you would shine / earn in > the field of' Stocks & Shares'.Your Amsa Lagna is > Sagittarius,its 10th rasi vergo is aspected by Mercury > this indicates that you would be gainfully employed in > due course of time. > All the best & best wishes, > D.SathiyanarayanaGupta. > > > --- maulikgandhi5 <maulikgandhi5> wrote: > > > > > Dear Guruji, > > > > I am new to this group and impressed by the all > > the astrology related queries are solved. > > > > I am a 26 year old male and i have just completed > > my MBA.I still looking for job in Finance related > > field. > > I am also interested in buisness of Stock Broking . > > So what is a suitable career option for me. > > I am feeling very unsecured about my career. > > > > My DOB - 5th may 1979 > > TOB : 15.10 > > POB : Bombay > > Lagna : Kanya > > > > Please do help me with your knowledge > > thanks, > > > > Maulik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:41:09 -0000 "ray1k" <jaan911 Sanjay Rath's Hora Lagna Lecture available for download Sanjay Rath's 2004 London Lecture on Hora Lagna is available for download at the following address: Hora Lagna lecture: http://www.anodyne.biz/hora.mp3 Hora Lagna handout: http://www.anodyne.biz/horalagna.pdf There is no set price for the lecture; instead please make a donation of your choice amount to the following Paypal account: www.paypal.com Account: umesh Other lectures will follow. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:42:25 +0200 "Ivar Verploegh" <i.d.verploegh Re: Michael Jackson It's taking a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes another day and the verdict is made on Tuesday morning. The Moon will square his Saturn, and move into an inauspicious naksatra for him. Ivar [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:43:27 -0000 "Manjunath Sharma" <nakshatras Re: 2008 Presidential elections (Al Gore -No way!) Sri Narasimha Please take a look, when you get a chance. I do realize that Al Gore's TP looks great for 2008, but I am using dasha and transit analysis to arrive at a simple conclusion that he has no chance of becoming President in 2008. Al Gore in 2008, I do not think so. Former Vice President's Al Gore Data March 31, 1948 (12:53 PM, Washington DC) Astrological analysis and some comments about his horoscope: 1.Mercury Amk is in 8th house 2.Mars Ak is in his first house, also it is 10th lord and debilitated. 3.Amk goes to 8th in Navamsa lagna of Tula. 4.Vimshottari - Rahu-Moon-Jupiter (2008 November) 5.Dwisaptati Sama Dasha (7th lord Saturn in lagna) - Rahu-Mars-Moon 6.In 2008 his dasha indicates an OK period, nothing spectacular. 7.For public figures to re-enter public or political life, 7th lord or 7th house has to get activated. None of these are happening in 2008. Transit Jupiter and Saturn (both) in 2008 do not activate his 10th or 7th house fully. Jupiter will be in Sagittarius and Saturn will be in Leo. However, Jupiter will aspect his natal Rahu in 10th house. 8.Chara Dasha -Vrishcika - Karka. From Vrischika AmK -Mercury is in 4th house and AK is in 9th. AK/Amk is in mutual aspect. It is a good period. But neither 10th house nor 11th house gets aspected by Amk. 9.Late 2009 is when his Rahu-Mars will start and he can expect an excellent period professionally. 10.In my opinion, I am sure there are others in Democratic Party that will have better charts (astrologically speaking). Bill Richardson is one of them for sure. Manjunath Sharma (June 12, 2005) ______________________ ______________________ Message: 8 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:14:50 -0000 "sanjayprabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar Re: astrlogical cycles and yogic postures || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Mike, In the beginning parts of their tapasya they get up for their daily bodiy activities and then resume their meditation. The meditation becomes longer as they progress. They eat (or sleep) lesser and lesser like once a day etc as time progresses. Some times the wife, Like during the Shukracharya's tapasya, helps them in daily activities like getting food etc. You can read in many Puranas as to how they first live on fruits, then roots,leaves(lesser time to search) etc consequently reducing their time in other daily activities. Warm Regards Sanjay P Hari Om Tat Sat vedic astrology, "michael grogan" <tropical@r...> wrote: > Hi, > > I read in a book on sadhus about yogis who will hold the same posture > for 12 years. When does the 12 year cycle begin? Does the 12-year > cycle relate directly to the 12 houses or signs? > > mike ______________________ ______________________ Message: 9 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:17:31 -0400 Panditji <navagraha Re: PanditJi: Rahu in Aries in 8th house- Mahadahsha Namaste, Just rahu in 8th won't be disatrous. Depends on his position from chandra and also if he is aspected or with any other planets. .... On 6/9/05, nchadala <nchadala wrote: > > Hi Panditji, > > Can you pl. tell me how Rahu Mahadasha for a person in general will > be > when it is posited in 8th House Aries sign for a Virgo Ascendant. > > I heard Rahu in ARies will eclipse the mind and person will be in > > suffereing during this Mahadasha.Is there any remedy I can do for > that person. > > Thanks a lot. > > --nchadala > > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 10 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:41:14 -0500 Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid 6/12 Sunday, CDT, 9am.... Today's Star-Report Jyotish/Astrology Newsletter Today, Sunday, June 12th, 2005 9am CDT I'd say at least 60-70% of the people, in the World today, are very substantially, "AFFECTED", by the movements of the Stars or the Transits! To find out if you're one of those people, watch how you 'feel' for 2 months. Especially watch how you feel during the 7 or 8 Inauspicious or Delicate days of each Month. In my CALENDER, of Daily Star Reports or Transits, I identify which days are especially challenging, stressful, negative or delicate. Each one of us needs to watch for 2 or 3 months, to see, if we're one of those people that get easily affected by the subtle, Cosmic 'Currents', from the STars! Right now, the Moon's starting off today, at the 29th degree of Cancer. Moon's been colliding with all-important Saturn the last 2 1/2 days. Normally the Moon's so happy during these days because the Moon/Cancer, is in it's Own Sign, which means generally, it's very powerful, balanced, and happy, there! However, over the next 2 years, as Saturn continues to move across Cancer, notice that these generally more 'rosy' days, will be under the grip of SAturn! Therefore, be sure to be most in-tune with Saturn during these days, so this regular, predictable 'transit' will be positive and progressive! Right now, today, the Moon quickly moves in Leo. NOTE: that the Moon's getting bigger and bigger, now, that tiny sliver of the New Moon, interestingly enough called: "THE SHIVA MOON"! is beginning to get fuller and fuller.... Also, over the next few days notice that the Sun makes it's regular transition into Gemini, which is the next Sign of the Zodiac. Many people in Jyotish tend to 'forget' about the Sun, and it's transits. The truth is that the Sun, is the biggest Astrological 'reality' in our entire Solar System, and especially 'charts'! All the Planets, could be wrapped up in a small ball, and placed in one tiny little corner of the Sun! Be sure to know the significant, Cosmic, Astrological meanings of the Sun for you!, according to your chart. o What House does your Sun rule? o Every month as the Sun moves into a new Sign, notice what house is the Sun ruling, and what house, is the Sun moving through! This will show you, what areas of the life, your Life deepest goals, and dreams are 'moving' through! Most people don't pay much attention to the Sun, because the Sun's like the Unified Field!, of Physics. In Physics, especially Quantum Mechanics, the study of the subtlest 'quanta' of atomic realities, they say the difficulty with the Unified Field, is it can't be studied directly! Only when an atom, pops out of the Unified Field, or pure Vacuum state, or state of least excitation, can 'anything' be studied! The Sun is like that. It's the 'light' through which we then look into the Moon/mind, and see, think, feel, perceive, and do! This is why Jyotish traditionally emphasizes the Moon! The Moon, however, is where our Minds are! The Moon/mind is where we feel, think, perceive, and move thoughts into actions, into the World. Note however, the key to the Mind's health is it's connection with the Sun! How bright, how big, how effervescent the Sun is has a huge empact on how powerful the Moon/mind, is. Every day, the Moon gets bigger and bigger, and more of the full-light of the Sun, shines upon it's surface. We focus so much on the Moon, sometimes, we forget it has no life, really, except the light, of the Sun, shining upon it! This month, watch the Sun's transit from Taurus to Gemini, and see if you can 'feel' that transit reality. The Sun represents where your 'Soul' is, and what it's doing. The Sun represents the deepest goals, dreams, and aspirations of your spirit and even Consciousness. Enjoy! Jai Guru! Sincerely, Mark Kincaid SPECIAL NOTE! Saturn recently moved into the New Sign of Cancer! May 26th! This represents a complete shift from Gemini to Cancer.... Because Cancer's the home of the Moon, or the heart, and emotional, Mind, then, this can be a kind of stressful time for many. If you begin to feel any of the more negative characterisitics of SAturn/Cancer, then, take this as a hint that Saturn will need more attention during this very important transit! If you feel worried, or upset, nervous, unsettled, and really, any emotional or Moonish, negative characteristic, then take this as possibly due to Saturn's new presence, there! Saturn is probably for most, the most important malefically functioning Planet, so learning to strengthen and develop Saturn is often a very good thing! Now, during these next 2 years; will be the right time, to focus on this inner development! If we do, this could become the best of times. If we do, then this more tradionally malefic time, can become a one where inner development, and even, more!, peace of mind, can be experienced! The choice is up to us! Nature is prompting us, to do this, now. However, we are still free to listen to Nature, or to ignore. Follow your hearts! If you're experiencing any of the negatives, then, pay more attention to this! Until....your experience turns into bliss! I've begun experiencing this already, and what I've noticed already is that I need to spend more time in meditation then normal. Where normally I'd spend 20 or 25 minutes meditating, and then find relief of stress and fatigue from the previous day. Now, I'm fining I need to spend slightly more time, to create the same affect. Maybe 25, or 30 minutes, makes a huge difference. So, if you're feeling uneasy, take more rest, be more focused on the quality of your experience! It, often gets tested during important Saturn transit, periods! Jai Guru Mark Kincaid Each day, now, we'll see a little blip, into the Star's movements.... For those who would like to regularly receive these Star reports please sign up at: TheStarsWithin/ (for more formal Jyotish Newsletter). For those who want to basically receive these transit Star reports go to: 1/ [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 11 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:50:31 -0000 "michael grogan" <tropical Re: astrlogical cycles and yogic postures Dear Sanjay, Thanks. I want to know what the 12 year cycle is about, and if it relates to the 12 signs? does it have anything to do with the orbit of Jupiter? Is there a 12-year cycle in vedic astrology? mike vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote: > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Mike, > In the beginning parts of their tapasya they get up for their daily > bodiy activities and then resume their meditation. The meditation > becomes longer as they progress. They eat (or sleep) lesser and lesser > like once a day etc as time progresses. > Some times the wife, Like during the Shukracharya's tapasya, helps > them in daily activities like getting food etc. > > You can read in many Puranas as to how they first live on fruits, then > roots,leaves(lesser time to search) etc consequently reducing their > time in other daily activities. > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > vedic astrology, "michael grogan" > <tropical@r...> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I read in a book on sadhus about yogis who will hold the same posture > > for 12 years. When does the 12 year cycle begin? Does the 12- year > > cycle relate directly to the 12 houses or signs? > > > > mike ______________________ ______________________ Message: 12 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:11:00 -0000 "sanjayprabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar Re: astrlogical cycles and yogic postures || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Mike, The 12 year cycle is from Jupiter, A Year for Jupiter. Warm Regards Sanjay P Hari Om Tat Sat vedic astrology, "michael grogan" <tropical@r...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > Thanks. I want to know what the 12 year cycle is about, and if it > relates to the 12 signs? does it have anything to do with the orbit > of Jupiter? Is there a 12-year cycle in vedic astrology? > > mike > > > > vedic astrology, "sanjayprabhakaran" > <sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote: > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Mike, > > In the beginning parts of their tapasya they get up for their > daily > > bodiy activities and then resume their meditation. The meditation > > becomes longer as they progress. They eat (or sleep) lesser and > lesser > > like once a day etc as time progresses. > > Some times the wife, Like during the Shukracharya's tapasya, helps > > them in daily activities like getting food etc. > > > > You can read in many Puranas as to how they first live on fruits, > then > > roots,leaves(lesser time to search) etc consequently reducing their > > time in other daily activities. > > > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > vedic astrology, "michael grogan" > > <tropical@r...> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I read in a book on sadhus about yogis who will hold the same > posture > > > for 12 years. When does the 12 year cycle begin? Does the 12- > year > > > cycle relate directly to the 12 houses or signs? > > > > > > mike ______________________ ______________________ Message: 13 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:17:13 -0700 (PDT) dewavrat buit <dewavrat2000 BA VEDANGA JYOTISHA COURSE Vedanga Jyotish Course SJC Education and Research Center Announces the admissions are open to the BA (Vedanga Jyotish) Part I for the new session 2005-06. The course is conducted by SJCERC for the three-year degree course of Kavi Kulaguru Kalidas Sanskrit Vishwavidyalaya, Ramtek that is approved by the University Grants Commission (UGC) of Government of India. All are requested to take a note of it and rush for the admissions. The details of the course B.A. Vedanga Jyotisha conducted by KKSU is As follows: Name of the course: B.A. Vedang Jyotish Duration: 3 Yrs. Eligibility: 12th Std. Or H.S.S.C. 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Check it out! http://discover./stayintouch.html ______________________ ______________________ Message: 14 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:19:14 -0600 "ambujaksa_das" <ambujaksa_ kethu ring. HARE RAM KRSNA: Can someone tell me were is the better place for using kethu ring? I read about is better to use in the middle finger of the right hand, but in another book I read is better to use in the small finger of the left hand or the middle finger in the same hand. What of this is correct? Please let me know soon Your servant: Ambujaksa das [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 15 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:27:36 -0000 "sangamithirai_j" <sangamithirai_j Effect of Mars for Virgo ascendant - Can some one answer my query vedic astrology, "sangamithirai_j" <sangamithirai_j> wrote: vedic astrology, "sangamithirai_j" <sangamithirai_j> wrote: Namaste, What is the effect of mars in various houses (1 to 12)for a native whose ascendant is Virgo. How malefic is mars in 8th house for this ascendant. What is the extent of mangal dosh in the horoscope below? Sex: Female 22 May 1979 Time: 14:49:11 ( 22:10:01 Ghati ) Day: Tuesday Place: Madurai Country: India Lat.: 9:55N Long.: 78:07E Zone: 82:30E Time Corr: Standard Time Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:34:02 Sun Sign(West): Gemini SunRise 05:57:10 SunSet 18:31:16 Eq. Of Time 0:03:27 Asc-Lord Vir-Mercury Rasi-Lord Pis-Jupiter Nak-Lord Revati-2-Mercury Yoga Ayusman Karan Kaulava Gan Deva Yoni Gaja Nadi Antya Varan Vipra Vashya Jalchar Varga Sarp Yunja Poorva Hansak Jal Paya(Rasi-Nak) Copper-Gold Name-Alphabet Do Pln R C Sign Degree House Exalted RasiL NakL SubL Pad Nav Asc Vir 13:50:52 -- -- Mer Mon Rah 2 2 Sun Tau 7:07:48 9 Enemy Ven Sun Ket 4 12 Mon Pis 21:25:21 7 Neutral Jup Mer Ven 2 10 Mar Ari 11:04:58 8 Moltrkn Mar Ket Sat 4 4 Mer C Ari 28:05:55 8 Neutral Mar Sun Mon 1 9 Jup Can 10:07:44 11 Exalted Mon Sat Ven 3 7 Ven Ari 11:43:11 8 Neutral Mar Ket Mer 4 4 Sat Leo 13:39:03 12 Enemy Sun Ven Ven 1 5 Rah R Leo 20:57:22 12 Enemy Sun Ven Jup 3 7 Ket R Aqu 20:57:22 6 Enemy Sat Jup Jup 1 1 Ura R Lib 24:54:49 2 -- Ven Jup Mer 2 2 Nep R Sco 26:03:46 3 -- Mar Mer Rah 3 11 Plu R Vir 23:11:34 1 -- Mer Mon Sun 4 4 Vimsottari Dasa Mercury 10Y11M7D Venus 28/04/1997 28/04/2017 Venus 28/08/2000 Sun 28/08/2001 Moon 29/04/2003 Mars 28/06/2004 Rahu 29/06/2007 Jupiter 27/02/2010 Saturn 28/04/2013 Mercury 27/02/2016 Ketu 28/04/2017 --- End forwarded message --- --- End forwarded message --- ______________________ ______________________ Message: 16 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 05:00:56 -0000 "gaura321979" <gaura321979 Respected Gurus PLz Advice!!!!!!!!! Respected Gurus, i am beginner in astrology and i would like to know about my marriage, plz see my chart and tell me when will i get married?? Thanks 3 Feb 1979 6:30am Meerut UP,India ______________________ ______________________ Message: 17 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:21:29 -0500 Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid Saturn Series # 4 2 Goals & Prescriptions for Strengthening Saturn....Mark Kincaid 6/12 2 Goals & Prescriptions for Strengthening Saturn.. If you're like me, you're one of 95% of the people in the world who were born with a functionally malefic, acting Saturn! Today I was thinking of Saturn and a couple of interesting thoughts popped into my head. I was thinking a great way of strengthening Saturn would be to keep in mind these 2 simple goals or prescriptions. #1 Create a Goal, to develop MORE ....SATURN silence, each day! Keep in mind, that each day, you could feel less stressed, tired and out of balance. Each day, you could experience more and more inner calmness, settledness and centeredness! Having 'that' as a goal, helps me with my SAturn, because since I've realized SAturn can be strengthened, my whole life has smoothed out, and become more easy, natural, and fulfilling. The problem most of us face, is we have our goals, desires and dreams, and those become our focus. But, if we forget that the paths of our desires, is due to our Saturn's, then, we'll be puzzled why we don't get better results! Technically, we should say both SAturn and Mars represent the 'paths' of our lives. Our goals, dreams, and life-aspirations probably come due to our Sun's, Moon's, & especially Jupiter. But, the way in which we try and fulfill our dreams is through our Saturn. When Saturn is balanced, then, the path to the fulfillment of those desires is natural, easy and effortless! Wow, that's so great to say that! hehe Too bad, it wasn't my earliest experience, hehe. But, encountering Saturn resistances, frustrations, delays, disappointments, losses, and grief, especially along our paths, is Nature's way of showing us how in-tune we are, presently, with our Saturns. Therefore, #1, develop a Goal to increase your Saturn power each day! That will feel like, more and more settledness, more calmness, and more inner stillness. That's #1, then, go about your day, your life, your activities, from that increasing Saturn strength, but, as soon as you start getting tired, stressed, or wigged out, then, relax, let go, get more rest! #2.... The second goal that I thought of was to create a plan to accumulate more Saturn financial wealth every day! Modern Economics says we all should have a savings plan! We already should be on a plan to save 10-20% of our incomes to create financial stability. The first goal you'll hear about if you pick up most books on finances, is: "Create An Emergency Fund of 6-Months of your Expenses"! I thought they were kidding first time I read that! I mean, I'd never had that before. Not even 6 weeks, ahhh, maybe 6 days, but 6 months!,... unbelievable. So, I thought, what the heck, what harm can it cause. I'd tried it the other way, and living on the edge financially all of my life, hadn't done it yet! (Saturn with Moon in the 12th, is very symbolic of not saving enough!) So, I adjusted. I set a goal, and after about 6 months I saved my first 1,000$. Boy, was that hard! hehe I noticed there was such a habit, a flow, for money to go out, (ie. 12th house!), so it took awhile. But, after even that first 1,000$ saved, I noticed a big shift! All of a sudden, all the little things, flat tires, unexpected bills, all, unforseen expenditures, started to not affect me so intensely. I had a small buffer! Wow, did that feel better. I got inspired to save more! Over the next year, or so, I finally achieved that miraculous, 6-Month's of my Expenses, saved in my little emergency fund! Wow, did that change my life! Now, I really felt insulated from all the financial ups and downs in life. And, for the first time in my life, I started to really understand the power of saving! Now, it's about 10 years, later, and for most of these years, I've had at least that 6-month's reserve, and I have to say, this one 'SAturn' improvement, has totally improved my life. Sure, the last 5 years of mini-recession was very tight. I couldn't always stay with that. In fact I had to dip into those savings quite regularly, but having that as a great first financial goal, kept me always growing in Saturn quietness and power, with money! You do these 2 things: Create my Saturn restfulness...and create more SAturn wealth, and your life will be transformed! Every one's path along this goal, will be different, but even 1 or 2 months in this direction, will change your life! When Saturn becomes more benefic, you'll be amazed at how happy and purposeful you'll feel! Good luck! Jai Sani! Sincerely, Mark Kincaid Astrologer Teacher of Meditation & Ayurved / 1 641 472-0000. [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 18 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:52:59 -0000 "shiveda_c" <shiveda_c Debilitated Mars in 3rd House Respected Sirs, I m a student of astrology and i m very keen to know the effect of debilitated Mars in my chart. Mars is the lord of 7th and 12th houses and i m very curious to know how it affects my marital life. Details: Date of birth: 26-12-1977 Time: 3.35 PM Place: Coimbatore, India Thanks in advance. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 19 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 05:20:36 -0700 (PDT) viv <vivluv_2000 RE: Help Needed for Family Dear Guruji, It was a big light in darkness that still esteemed guruji like you support faith and Trust and I was extremely positive when you said that you will look in my chart. I am still poistive and waiting for your analysis and steps that I need to take. I am in great need of your help and guidance guruji. Anyway, I understand that you are extremely busy as well. Will wait. Thanks & Regards, Vijay --- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Vijay > I am unable to find that place on the map - Mau Nath > Bhanjan. Can you get me > the Latitude and Longitude? Since you have sincerely > done the remedies > suggested by another Brahmin, whether they were > beneficial or not, in > support of your faith, I will surely see your chart. > I hope somehow you can > locate the place - I mean co-ordinates. Which > district in UP? > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >viv [vivluv_2000] > >Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:27 AM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Help Needed for Family > > > >Dear Sirs, > > > >I am Vijay kumar khandelwal from Mau, we are > basically from > >Mau Nath Bhanjan,I am a bussiness man dealing in > yarn trading. > >My problem started with my wife's kidney failure in > 1999,there > >was a couple of tough time there but now she is on > paritoneal > >dialysis,after her disease only my bussiness was > also not at > >all working properly,then in 2002 my mother was > expired,after > >her death only i got seperated with my family as i > had a joint family. > >> > > >> >This was not the end but was the beginning of my > >> problems,i got separated > >> >but i did not get money from my firm which i > earned > >> as my own father n my > >> >own brother were betrayers,my father supported > my > >> brother in cheating me > >> >and had taken all the money from my firm and has > >> given me that firm which > >> >was nil,this was done by my brother n the most > >> importantly my own father,he > >> >cheated me and cleared the whole firm,but had > only > >> given me a piece of > >> >land,that also after so much efforts,but before > >> that we were not at all > >> >financially weak,we were well enough but this > >> problem started in 1999. > >> > > >> >Then also this was not enough,as my wife was > >> dealing with a fatal > >> >disease,her treatment was very very costly. I > was > >> not having enough cash > >> >but till 2003 my bussiness was running such that > i > >> was able to meet my > >> >expense,n i was able to afford her disease,my > son's > >> studies,my daughter's > >> >studies,as i have 2 daughters. > >> > > >> >but in 2004 i was stuggling with my mis-hap,then > i > >> planned to sell my land > >> >but problem did not leave me there also,no body > was > >> willing to buy that > >> >land and we really became weak financially. then > i > >> had shown my kundalis to > >> >many pandits n jyotishis,all of them suggested > me > >> different types of pujas > >> >but none worked out in front of my mis hap. > >> > > >> >Then after 9 months finally my land was sold but > at > >> a modest price,it was > >> >sold in october 2004.My son got a job in 2003 > and > >> was working there.Since i > >> >had no bussiness in Mau and there was lots of > >> threats,so i shifted to > >> >bangalore in november 2004,i stayed there for > 2-3 > >> months n tried to start > >> >some bussuiness but nothing worked out so i > again > >> went to Mau,i thought to > >> >start my work again but nothing happened there > >> also,so i came in contact > >> >which was brought up by my son with some mills > in > >> february 2005,now i am > >> >doing work with them. > >> > > >> >I met a pandit here in bangalore,he said i have > >> some STRI SHRAAP,then he > >> >suggested me GOWDAAN and sent me to SHRINGERI,i > did > >> each and every thing > >> >for the welfare of my family,but still i have > not > >> got positive response > >> >from that pooja. > >> > > >> >So my request to you is just tell me wat is > there > >> next in my future, > >> > > >> >1.the deal of mine will work out? when my > bussiness > >> will again start > >> >running successfully?how will be my financial > >> condition in future,when all > >> >of my problems will get solved? > >> > > >> >2.my immediate worry is my son's marriage,please > >> tell me when will he get > >> >married?how will be his career in future and is > >> there any chance for him to > >> >go abroad? > >> > > >> >3.what about my wife's disease? whether we > should > >> go for her kidney > >> >transplant or not? > >> > > >> >4.my youngest daughter is in 12th class,she > wants > >> to do fashion > >> >designing,so please tell me whether she will be > >> able to do it,and if not > >> >then please tell me,to which field she should > do?is > >> there any chance for > >> >her to go to abroad? > >> > > >> >5.my second no.daughter is doing charted > >> accountancy,wats her future,any > >> >chances of abroad for her? > >> >Please see the details written under: > >> > > >> >1) Name- Vijay kumar kandelwal > >> > D.O.B.- April 28,1954 > >> > P.O.B.-Mau nath bhanjan (uttar pradesh) > >> > T.O.B.- 23:40 P.M > >> > > >> >2) Name-Anju khandelwal(Wife of vijay kumar > >> khandelwal) > >> > D.O.B.- October 18,1960 > >> > P.O.B.- Bankura (west bengal) > >> > T.O.B.- 11:10 A.M > >> > > >> >3) Name-Vivek khandelwal (son) > >> > D.O.B.- July 10,1078 > >> > P.O.B.- Mau nath bhanjan (uttar pradesh) > >> > T.O.B.- 18:40 P.M. > >> >4) Name-Ankita khandelwal (elder daughter) > >> > D.O.B.- July 15,1982 > >> > P.O.B.- Varanasi (uttar pradesh) > >> > T.O.B.- 9:30 A.M. > >> >5) Name-Pallavi khandelwal (youngest daughter) > >> > D.O.B.-September 9,1988 > >> > P.O.B.- Varanasi (uttar pradesh) > >> > T.O.B.- 6:40 A.M. > >> > > >> >Please help me out and do reply to my queries > and > >> please at least this time > >> >do not turn me down. i will be very grateful to > you > >> for your kind help and > >> >guidance > >> > > >> > > >> >Thanking You. > >> >Vijay khandelwal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > === message truncated === Discover Use to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover./ ______________________ ______________________ Message: 20 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:45:21 -0000 "ashuboss1" <ashuboss1 Please guide me.... Dear guruji: My details are, born : Sept 13, 1972, 1:20 am at Jammu, J&K. I have had a very erratic career progress despite being a very hard worker and this is causing me a lot of anxiety as I am the sole bread earner in the family. Would be immensely indebted if you could tell me when I can expect some steadiness and growth in my career. Also, I was divorced about 2 years back, when do you see me settling down again. Thanks for your kind consideration. regards, ______________________ ______________________ Message: 21 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:58:36 -0000 "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27 Re: atmakaraka in Al Respected Sanjay Ji, Pranaam. Apologies for replying late. I was travelling and could not access the Internet. I am deeply grateful for your reply. I am going to take a print out and study it and hope to understand the principles. Regards. Anurag. vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Anurag > Illusion is not something that is just centric to the individual. It is an > image and will be seen differently b different people based on their own > perception of the image. The way you look at Bill Clinton shall be different > than the way I see him or the way Hillary Clinton sees him, so it is centric > from various view points. Yet it is an image and this image is a more than > life figure as the President of the USA. This image is the arudha and he > rode this image for some time and then the nature of the arudha changed, yet > the hangover of the arudha continues. It is more like a flavor that is based > on retained memory. Now we all know (retained memory) that he was the > president. He also knows this. What happens to one like President Reagan who > loses the memory that he was President. What effect does this have on the > arudha? Does it cause the arudha to change from (1) his perspective and (2) > from the worlds perspective. So you see the arudha is important and the paka > lagna is also very important. If the lagnesa does not like the arudha for > some reason in the change in dasa due to anifestation of disease or an > accident etc, then the memory of the arudha maybe wiped out. Here the AK > comes into the picture and you will find the AK laying a role to do this > job...or sometimes the GURU the Bhratrkaraka as the Guru has the power to > memory. See Reagans chart. > > In Reagans chart the AK Mercury is in lagna (intelligence) with Mars and > aspected by Rahu...is this not a curse coming on the Mercury? Note that > there are two charakaraka replacements involving (1) PiK and PK and (2) BK > and MK. It was in the dasa of the AK which is also badhakesh and in the > curse that the disease got really bad, especially after 1994 onwards. I > think he finally died in Merc dasa Mars antardasa...planets in lagna. > > Point again is did the arudha change? From his viewpoint [lagna/lagnesh] it > did as he forget he was President, and even forgot the name of his wife > etc...it must be very painful for the near and dear ones. But for the world > [Moon] the arudha never changed. > > Now try to do the chart of someone like Saint Joan who was burnt as a witch > and then canonised as a saint. The arudha changed after death! How do we see > this??? Interesting. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > > >anuraagsharma27 [anuraagsharma27@h...] > >Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:14 AM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > >Respected Sanjay Ji, > > > >Pranaam. > > > >Firstly, thank you for the illuminating post about the > >linkages between the Arudha Lagna and the Atmakaraka. > > > >I have some questions. It is stated that the Arudha Lagna is > >our illusory belief system. It has been consistently seen in > >the writings here that all Arudha Padas shows the illusions of > >the 'world' about the various facets of the native's life as > >seen from the various Bhavas and then manifested as visible > >indications by the Bhava Padas themselves. It has been taught > >basically that the metaphysical truth about the Jatak is seen > >from the Lagna, and what the world perceives of the native is > >seen from the Arudha Lagna. > > > >Is the illusion of Maya that subsists in the Arudha Lagna > >native- centric? Does it arise of the beliefs of the native > >himself, whether through retention or rejection of memory or > >is it that these factors apply to the world at large when they > >contemplate the native in their own minds? > > > >It has also been stated in the past that the illusions of the > >native are seen from the Graha Arudhas. > > > >I suspect there is probably some serious flaw in my > >understanding or something is amiss. I tend to think that > >there may not be water- tight distinctions between the various > >reference points but it would be illuminating if you could > >shed some more light on this. > > > >Could it also be that when AK and AL are conjoined, what > >happens is that the influences that were coming from the > >society in the form of opinions and ideas of that society > >pertaining to the native (AL?), are seen for what they > >actually are (AK influnece) and the hold of Maya is weakened > >as the Satya (AK) exposes the empty shell of the Arudha? The > >timing could be done from the Vimshottari of the AK and the > >replacement studied as you have instructed in your post. > > > >It is clear from the post as to the effects of the AK and > >linkages with Shani and the effects that could accrue. You > >have taught that the 7th from AL is the opposition to the > >image just as the Grahas in the 7th from UL tend to show > >opposing forces from the family of the spouse. In one's own > >chart (11th June,1972;10:17 AM; Cuttack, > >Orissa) the Lagnesh is also the AK placed with Shani and an > >Amavasya Tithi Chandra in the 10th House, 7th from the AL, and > >the Surya-Chandra- Shani Yuti is also aspected by the Nodes! > >The interactions of the image have been such that the > >tremendous rush and fall of the AL caused by Rashi Drishti of > >the nodes has been deciphered for being what it is: a big show > >of transience that changes in such a fickle manner. > > > >Since the AK is with Shani in A7, just as you have instructed > >in the post, the realities relating to interaction have also > >been suspected, piercing the veil of the Darapada. I am > >hopeful that to this extent I have understood what has been taught. > > > >It would be kind of you to clear the doubts as to > >indoctrination and the AL. > > > >I am aware that this message may have many errors and only > >seeks to lay down some of my thoughts on the matter. > > > >Regards. > > > >Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> > >wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> Dear Bharat > >> > >> You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha > >lagna and > >> atmakaraka. > >> > >> Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our > >indoctrination > >> and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right > >and wrong. > >> It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based > >on this > >> indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- > >manas) which > >> is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention > >(Jupiter) > >> and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. > >This emotion > >> of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual > >and will > >> vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna > >is this > >> illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka > >lagna). > >> > >> Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka > >are in the > >> same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the > >lagnesa and > >> at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the > >society of > >> influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the > >significator for > >> this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society > >connected > >> with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. > >Jupiter is a > >> great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming > >from the > >> learning that the society offers. > >> > >> Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous > >knowlege - the > >> knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This > >knowledge > >> when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws > >up the > >> *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - > >satyam > >> shivam sundaram. > >> > >> That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come > >together, the > >> person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He > >challenges the > >> teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let > >us examine > >> some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the > >example, its > >> my pleasure to continue the thread). > >> > >> 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and > >AL are not > >> the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is > >reported widely. > >> The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused > >by the > >> Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 > >years of age > >> he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the > >arudha > >> lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he > >questioned the > >> political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the > >atmakaraka Moon. > >> He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to > >*RAMA RAJYA* > >> through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > >> > >> 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in > >Aries. This > >> is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a > >dictum > >> which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - > >native is > >> abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and > >Jiddu > >> Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > >> Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by > >Helena > >> Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental > >custody > >> between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological > >father). It > >> finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy > >council and > >> chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha > >lagna > >> dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years > >old]. > >> However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age > >as it is in > >> Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] > >in 1924 > >> and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries > >as AK. > >> Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, > >Holland, > >> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the > >complete > >> and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental > >basis of > >> the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a > >path to > >> freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in > >India were > >> a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > >> > >> 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha > >lagna and > >> just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that > >jyotisa > >> should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga > >and (2) it > >> should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to > >break > >> free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the > >Astrological > >> Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned > >in Deva > >> Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in > >a yoga > >> with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will > >teach the > >> vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign > >language. > >> In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also > >the 8th lord > >> and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- > >karmadhipati yoga > >> (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > >> > >> The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig > >process, > >> there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning > >process and > >> unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the > >questioning? > >> Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning > >while causes > >> shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state > >should be > >> defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this > >knowledge > >> to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did > >not > >> bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we > >discussed above > >> did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the > >cmbination of AK > >> and AL to support the activity that is required after the > >questioning > >> process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > >> accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right > >but then it > >> must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding > >the > >> terrible taste of the malefic planets. > >> > >> Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and > >wonder why > >> I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing > >it. [Aug > >> 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons > >will Saturn > >> give. > >> > >> One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors > >outside the > >> AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the > >Guru-shisya > >> parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why > >did Gandhi > >> take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha > >in sexual > >> control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > >> > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > >> Sanjay Rath > >> * * * > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > >> New Delhi 110060, India > >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > >> * * * > >> > >> > >> > > >> >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> > >> bharateiya] > >> >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM > >> >vedic astrology > >> >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > >> > > >> >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay > >> > > >> >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: > >> >1. Mahatma Gandhi > >> >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi > >> >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman > >> > > >> >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: > >> >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya > >Sai Bada - > >> >5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL Buddha AK 4. > >> >Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK > >> > > >> >I have no references from classical text to show how this > >occurs. My > >> >logic is: > >> >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of > >the seizing > >> >effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to the > >whole picture > >> >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then > >misinterprets the > >> >whole picture by way of Arudha. > >> > > >> >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us towards > >> >it. > >> > > >> >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a > >conflict. > >> >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the > >mind. > >> >It will start the questioning process. The questioning > >process shall > >> >succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, the march > >> >towards emotional maturity and understanding the limitedness of > >> >illusionary joys begins. > >> > > >> >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this > >process can be > >> >faster. > >> > > >> >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post their > >> >views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. > >> > > >> >Thanks and Regards > >> >Bharat > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > >> ><guruji@s...> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jaya Jagannatha > >> >> Dear Bharat > >> >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the > >atmakaraka in > >> >arudha > >> >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some > >such > >> >great > >> >> activity? I shall be most grateful. > >> >> With best wishes and warm regards, > >> >> Sanjay Rath > >> >> * * * > >> >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > >> >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > >> >> New Delhi 110060, India > >> >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/> > >> http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > >> >> * * * > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna > >> >> > >> >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. > >In > >> >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The > >result > >> >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person > >> >will have to > >> >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show > >the > >> >> person a great secret about life. > >> >> > >> >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the > >> >same coin. > >> >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The > >native is > >> >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily > >> >the effect > >> >> of Maya within. > >> >> > >> >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards > >their > >> >> learning and solving life's matters. > >> >> > >> >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting > >topic. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks and Regards > >> >> Bharat > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > >> >> <a_srimantula> wrote: > >> >> > Respected Gurus, > >> >> > > >> >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanking you all > >> >> > Aruna Srimantula > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Archives: <vedic astrology> > >> vedic astrology > >> >> > >> >> Group info: <vedic- > >astrology/info.html> > >> vedic astrology/info.html > >> >> > >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > >> >> > >> >> ....... 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[This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 23 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:21:59 -0000 "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27 Re: atmakaraka in Al Hello, Why not? It would be nice to have your learned views on the subject. Thank you. Anurag. vedic astrology, "bharateiya" <bharateiya> wrote: > Namaskaar Sri Anuraag, > > Your post and question is addressed to Sri Sanjay. Would you allow me > to say something to this effect? > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > vedic astrology, "anuraagsharma27" > <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > Respected Sanjay Ji, > > > > Pranaam. > > > > Firstly, thank you for the illuminating post about the linkages > > between the Arudha Lagna and the Atmakaraka. > > > > I have some questions. It is stated that the Arudha Lagna is our > > illusory belief system. It has been consistently seen in the > > writings here that all Arudha Padas shows the illusions of > > the 'world' about the various facets of the native's life as seen > > from the various Bhavas and then manifested as visible indications > > by the Bhava Padas themselves. It has been taught basically that the > > metaphysical truth about the Jatak is seen from the Lagna, and what > > the world perceives of the native is seen from the Arudha Lagna. > > > > Is the illusion of Maya that subsists in the Arudha Lagna native- > > centric? Does it arise of the beliefs of the native himself, whether > > through retention or rejection of memory or is it that these factors > > apply to the world at large when they contemplate the native in > > their own minds? > > > > It has also been stated in the past that the illusions of the native > > are seen from the Graha Arudhas. > > > > I suspect there is probably some serious flaw in my understanding or > > something is amiss. I tend to think that there may not be water- > > tight distinctions between the various reference points but it would > > be illuminating if you could shed some more light on this. > > > > Could it also be that when AK and AL are conjoined, what happens is > > that the influences that were coming from the society in the form of > > opinions and ideas of that society pertaining to the native (AL?), > > are seen for what they actually are (AK influnece) and the hold of > > Maya is weakened as the Satya (AK) exposes the empty shell of the > > Arudha? The timing could be done from the Vimshottari of the AK and > > the replacement studied as you have instructed in your post. > > > > It is clear from the post as to the effects of the AK and linkages > > with Shani and the effects that could accrue. You have taught that > > the 7th from AL is the opposition to the image just as the Grahas in > > the 7th from UL tend to show opposing forces from the family of the > > spouse. In one's own chart (11th June,1972;10:17 AM; Cuttack, > > Orissa) the Lagnesh is also the AK placed with Shani and an Amavasya > > Tithi > > Chandra in the 10th House, 7th from the AL, and the Surya- Chandra- > > Shani Yuti is also aspected by the Nodes! The interactions of the > > image have been such that the tremendous rush and fall of the AL > > caused by Rashi Drishti of the nodes has been deciphered for being > > what it is: a big show of transience that changes in such a fickle > > manner. > > > > Since the AK is with Shani in A7, just as you have instructed in the > > post, the realities relating to interaction have also been > > suspected, piercing the veil of the Darapada. I am hopeful that to > > this extent I have understood what has been taught. > > > > It would be kind of you to clear the doubts as to indoctrination and > > the AL. > > > > I am aware that this message may have many errors and only seeks to > > lay down some of my thoughts on the matter. > > > > Regards. > > > > Anurag Sharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > Dear Bharat > > > > > > You have made some very fine points about the nature of the arudha > > lagna and > > > atmakaraka. > > > > > > Arudha lagna is the illusionary belief system based on our > > indoctrination > > > and what we consider as good and bad, what we consider as right > > and wrong. > > > It is always black and white, the good guys and bad guys are based > > on this > > > indoctrination by society (Moon) and mental experiences (Moon- > > manas) which > > > is based on memory which agai is a function of selective retention > > (Jupiter) > > > and selective erosion (Saturn) based on how pleasant they were. > > This emotion > > > of pleasant memory and otherwise is subjective to the individual > > and will > > > vary based on the rasi where the arudha lagna is. The arudha lagna > > is this > > > illusion that is created by the intelligence (lagna and paka > > lagna). > > > > > > Now come to the possibility where the arudha lagna and atmakaraka > > are in the > > > same sign. To be in the same sign it becomes imperative that the > > lagnesa and > > > at atmakaraka are different planets. The indoctrination of the > > society of > > > influence is indicated by the arudha lagna. Moon is the > > significator for > > > this showing the primary indoctrination coming from the society > > connected > > > with home - mother, mother tongue, family, childhood days etc. > > Jupiter is a > > > great benefic for the fame and shows the indictrination coming > > from the > > > learning that the society offers. > > > > > > Now Atmakaraka is like a Jyotirlinga. It holds tremendous > > knowlege - the > > > knowledge of the paramesthi guru - the knowlegde of Shiva. This > > knowledge > > > when coming into contact with any arudha or any graha pada throws > > up the > > > *untruth* associated with the indoctrination. After all Shiva is - > > satyam > > > shivam sundaram. > > > > > > That is why when the arudha lagna and the atmakaraka come > > together, the > > > person starts to question the indoctrination of society. He > > challenges the > > > teachings of the society and may reject many such teachings. Let > > us examine > > > some of these cases (since you take the trouble of giving the > > example, its > > > my pleasure to continue the thread). > > > > > > 1. Mahatma Gandhi has atmakaraka Jupiter, so his arudha lagna and > > AL are not > > > the same. I use the time of 7.30 am LMT for his chart as is > > reported widely. > > > The change came for him due to the *atmakaraka replacement* caused > > by the > > > Moon and Jupiter being in the same degree. So at about 24 -32 > > years of age > > > he will change very drastically. When this change will occur, the > > arudha > > > lagna and *new atmakaraka* will become one in Cancer and he > > questioned the > > > political system of the day as he has Rahu influencing the > > atmakaraka Moon. > > > He questioned the untruth in it and started to show the path to > > *RAMA RAJYA* > > > through satyagraha. Remember New AK Moon is with Rahu. > > > > > > 2. Jiddu Krishnamuti has the Sun atmakaraka in arudha lagna in > > Aries. This > > > is the most royal sign and the Sun relates to father. There is a > > dictum > > > which states that the Sun in the 1st or 7th house in Aries/Libra - > > native is > > > abandoned by parents. This is true both for Bhagavan Sri Rama and > > Jiddu > > > Krishnamurti who had Sun in AL in Aries and Saturn in 7th house. > > > Krishnamurti lost his mother in 1905 and was finally adopted by > > Helena > > > Blavatsky in 1910. Then there was a legal dispute over parental > > custody > > > between Blavatsky and Jiddu Narasimah (Krishnamurti's biological > > father). It > > > finally ended when Krishnamurti finall appeared at the Privy > > council and > > > chose Blavatsky instead of his father. [at this stage the arudha > > lagna > > > dominated over the atmakaraka as Krishnamurti was only 18 years > > old]. > > > However, the atmakaraka started rising after his 28 years of age > > as it is in > > > Aries - this was triggered by two events (1) death of father [sun] > > in 1924 > > > and (2) death of brother [Mars] in 1925. Look at the Sun in Aries > > as AK. > > > Then in 1929 on the opening day of the annual Star Camp at Ommen, > > Holland, > > > Krishnamurti dissolved the Order before 3000 members. This was the > > complete > > > and total rejection of the arudha. He questioned the fundamental > > basis of > > > the guru-shisya parampara and said that the spiritual path was a > > path to > > > freedom while the guru-shisya parampara of spiritual lineages in > > India were > > > a kind of bondage. Remember AK Sun in AL is aspected by Saturn. > > > > > > 3. Dr. B.V.Raman has the atmakaraka Moon with Saturn in the arudha > > lagna and > > > just like the other two cases, he questioned the basic theory that > > jyotisa > > > should not be taught to foreigners as (1) Jyotisa was a vedanga > > and (2) it > > > should not be taught in foreign languages. He was the first one to > > break > > > free from this in a large scale teaching of jyotisa through the > > Astrological > > > Magazine. To do this he needed to have another yoga as mentioned > > in Deva > > > Keralam: The association of the lords of the 6th and 8th houses in > > a yoga > > > with either the 5th lord or the 5th house. Such a person will > > teach the > > > vedas and vedanga to foreigners in a foreign land and in a foreign > > language. > > > In Dr Raman's chart we find that the fifth lord Mercury is also > > the 8th lord > > > and is in kendra to Moon (sarada yoga) and with the dharma- > > karmadhipati yoga > > > (highest yoga necessary to teach veda/vedanga). > > > > > > The point I am trying to make is that when you say (1) questionig > > process, > > > there must be a suitable combination showing the questioning > > process and > > > unless we have a saturn or Rahu involved what will trigger the > > questioning? > > > Saturn indicates sorrow and suffering that triggers questioning > > while causes > > > shocks to start the questioning. (2) Many factors that you state > > should be > > > defined and in general is it necessary to achieve by teaching this > > knowledge > > > to others? There are millions who have had similar lessons but did > > not > > > bother to go out and teach it to others like the three we > > discussed above > > > did. In each of their cases there were yogas outside the > > cmbination of AK > > > and AL to support the activity that is required after the > > questioning > > > process. (3) You have correctly pointed out that a harsh situation > > > accelerates the questioning and change - this is perfectly right > > but then it > > > must translate into *jyotisa language* which I have done by adding > > the > > > terrible taste of the malefic planets. > > > > > > Finally Bharat, thanks for this. It made me see my own chart and > > wonder why > > > I have done what I did so far and whether I should continue doing > > it. [Aug > > > 7, 1963; 9.15 Pm Sambalpur, India] How many more harsh lessons > > will Saturn > > > give. > > > > > > One more point - the final decision shall also depend on factors > > outside the > > > AK, AL story. Lets try these - Why did Krishnamurti reject the > > Guru-shisya > > > parampara of ancient India? Did the makara lagna have a say? Why > > did Gandhi > > > take to Satyagraha on the one hand and dilly dally with satyagraha > > in sexual > > > control? Did the Libra lagna with Mars and Venus have a say? > > > > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > * * * > > > Sri Jagannath CenterR > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > > New Delhi 110060, India > > > <http://srath.com> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > >bharateiya [ <bharateiya> > > > bharateiya] > > > >Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:20 AM > > > >vedic astrology > > > >[vedic astrology] Re: atmakaraka in Al > > > > > > > >Namaskaar Again Sri Sanjay > > > > > > > >Greal souls who have Atmakaraka in Arudha Lagna are: > > > >1. Mahatma Gandhi > > > >2. Sri J. Krishnamurthi > > > >3. Sri Bangalore Venkata Raman > > > > > > > >There are others whose Atmakaraka aspects the Arudha Lagna: > > > >1. Sri Raman Maharishi - 7th from AL Moon AK 2. Sri Sathya Sai > > > >Bada - 5th from AL Guru AK 3. Sri Gautam Buddha - 7th from AL > > > >Buddha AK 4. Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu - 7th from AL Saturn AK > > > > > > > >I have no references from classical text to show how this > > > >occurs. My logic is: > > > >Arudha Lagna signifies the illusion which is born out of the > > > >seizing effect of Grahas. Seizing is to close one'e eyes to > > > >the whole picture > > > >(Truth) and thereby cause ignorance. The mind then > > > >misinterprets the whole picture by way of Arudha. > > > > > > > >Atmakaraka is the force that desires freedom. It propels us > > > >towards it. > > > > > > > >Atmakaraka in AL signify two opposite forces and therefore a > > conflict. > > > >Atmakaraka if strong and in its period, will cause a rift in the > > mind. > > > >It will start the questioning process. The questioning process > > > >shall succeed or not is dependent upon many factors. However, > > > >the march towards emotional maturity and understanding the > > > >limitedness of illusionary joys begins. > > > > > > > >If a harsh situation occurs for the native, then this process > > > >can be faster. > > > > > > > >This is a topic to be researched and I request others to post > > > >their views and if they have sastras know how, then, to share it. > > > > > > > >Thanks and Regards > > > >Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" > > > ><guruji@s...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Jaya Jagannatha > > > >> Dear Bharat > > > >> Can you cite some examples of great souls who have the > > atmakaraka in > > > >arudha > > > >> lagna and have shown the path to immortality or moksha or some > > such > > > >great > > > >> activity? I shall be most grateful. > > > >> With best wishes and warm regards, > > > >> Sanjay Rath > > > >> * * * > > > >> Sri Jagannath CenterR > > > >> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > > >> New Delhi 110060, India > > > >> <http://srath.com> http://srath.com < <http://srath.com/> > > > http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > > > >> * * * > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Namaskaar Shree Aruna > > > >> > > > >> Atmakaraka is a propelling graha towards knowledge of oneself. > > In > > > >> Arudha lagna it disspells the ignorance and the illusion. The > > result > > > >> is in whenever the associated period starts...the person > > > >will have to > > > >> come face with a difficult circumstance and way out will show > > the > > > >> person a great secret about life. > > > >> > > > >> The person will realize two sides of a coin is actually the > > > >same coin. > > > >> Such a person will be a great mediator and a diplomat. The > > native is > > > >> keen on Self Analysis and can recognize slowly and steadily > > > >the effect > > > >> of Maya within. > > > >> > > > >> Such a person can a good teacher and can guide others towards > > their > > > >> learning and solving life's matters. > > > >> > > > >> I would love to hear other's comments on this very interesting > > topic. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks and Regards > > > >> Bharat > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> vedic astrology, "a_srimantula" > > > >> <a_srimantula> wrote: > > > >> > Respected Gurus, > > > >> > > > > >> > In general what are the results of atmakaraka in Arudhalagna? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanking you all > > > >> > Aruna Srimantula > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Archives: <vedic astrology> > > > vedic astrology > > > >> > > > >> Group info: <vedic- > > astrology/info.html> > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > >> > > > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > >> > > > >> ....... 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May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 24 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:40:42 -0000 "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep Vimshamsha - Shri Visti Larsen Dear Visti ji I have read an article from your site. If the ''Aries'' derived from 1st vimshamsha within a movable sign,5th within a fixed sign and 9th within a dual sign are mapped to same Aries sign - why do we have 3 DIFFERENT dieties - Kaali,Vijaya and Jwalaamukhi.Thus each point in heaven has got a significance.So is Vimshamsha, the ''1 degree 30 minutes '' portion within any sign.They are controlled by a planet and has Murtis or dieties associated. Also ''Vimshathi bhagaanam adhipa'' means the Lord of the Vimshamsha portion. My undersatnding is as follows. The ownership of Rashi Chakra belongs to Sun and Moon.For the benefit of rulership/administration,they decided to divide among themselves, 6 rashis each.Agneya rashis from Simha to Makara for Sun and Saumya rashis from Karka to Kumbha for moon.Based on the position/role of planets in rashi chakra,they allotted lordships for other signs.For example to Mercury,Virgo was given by Sun and Gemini by Moon. Each sign was further divided.Sun/Moon decided to lord one half of each sign,based on odd/even.This division is Hora.Principles behind formation of this Hora may not be related with Kaala Hora.Kaala hora has a ruler for every hour,while Hora of a sign can be ruled only by Sun and Moon.It is like Shiva and Shakthi.Then they alloted lordships for each one third portion of a sign,called Drekkana.Similarly they decided to allot lordships for each 1/20th portion within a sign ,called as Vimshamsha.When any planet has full control of a sign ,it is called its Kshethra or the first division.Kshethra is a Rashi belonging to a planet.When it is controlling 1/20th within any sign-it becomes Vimshamsha.The vimshamsha of the lord of the bhava relating to Upasana will indicate the nature. We are ready to say that, graha drishti is disputable, if we consider ''houses'' by grouping amshas.But at the same time we are satisfied with trines in Navamsha.Trines are angular dispositions.If trines are possible ,why is graha drishti difficult.Thus we know that we are not consistent and sure,about/with our explanations. It is really sad.If well read Scholars had spared 1/20th of the time they had spent on creating houses in amshas, for research, in dieties and their codal meanings, there would have been significant progress ,regarding usage of shodasha vargas.Students like me can only request. I humbly place these questions,hoping for a reply.If you are kind enough,it will be thankful.If not, i have to work more hard.I request you to kindly address these questions. Thanks Pradeep ______________________ ______________________ Message: 25 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:50:11 -0000 "sanjayprabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar Re: Jhora 7.02 vs Swiss Ephemeris || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Dhira Krishan Prabhu, Namaste, I think it should be part of both noting accurate time and some rectification will be involved here. Since Nadi techniques was in use way before modern clocks I also think there could be some other techniques to work out these charts. Lets see what Guruji Sanjay Rath has to tell about these techniques. Warm Regards Sanjay P Hare Rama Krishna vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay Rath, > > HAre Rama Krsna! > > What does the nadiamsa ruler become for these 2 charts with an ayanamsa of > 47 min 6sec less than Lahiri? Doesn't birthtime have to be super accurate > for this kind of calculation and who in the world can provide such > accurate birthtime? As such it would be rather a system of rectification, > more than a prediction tool. Correct me if I'm wrong. > > >Case-1: Jiddu Krishnamurti > >Case-2: Dr B V Raman > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, ______________________ ______________________ ------ ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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