Marana Karaka Sthana of Mercury (Shri ChandrShekhar)

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Dear Mr Rath,

I have not experimented on the system of astrology you follow, but

for Virgo Lagna, Mercury is weak in the 7th house not due to its

placement but due to its state of debilation affecting all areas of

life wrt to Lagna.

For Mithuna Lagna like I have, apart from mercury its the 7th lord

Jupiter and its placement and strength is important for multiple

partners along with venus mars and nodes.

By the way in modern times whether in open or behind the closet,

human sexuality prevails and such theories of multiple partners dont

apply. i have actively interacted with hundereds of people with

multiple partners over a period of their life, In modern times its

more important to analyze the INTENTION and DESIRE(two timing etc)

behind such multiple partners and relationships and not the act of

having multiple partners or relationship.

 

Regards

Amit

 

DOB: April 23rd 1976

8:55 AM, Jamshedpur India.

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Pt. Sanjay Rath"

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> om namo bhagavate vāsudevāyaDear UtpalNeed not be.What

connection does lagna have to the kama bhava matters of mithuna

rasi? Infact if mithuna is the lagna then the native has early

realisation of this and understands this, provided Mercury is strong.

I have found most mithuna lagna people to be concerned about and

serious about not having such vices. If Mithuna is in the 2nd house

from UL then you will see how this thing comes out, also with mithuna

in A7 or such areas. I have found that mihuna in 2nd from UL never

fails to give multiple partners, especially in countries and places

where the rasi is very strong like big cities. Best WishesSanjay

Rath15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060 IndiaPhone +91-11-

25717162, http://srath.com -Utpal

Pathak [vedic_pathak]Pt. Sanjay Rath[guruji@s...]Sent:

Saturday, May 28, 2005 05:47 PM:Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Marana Karaka Sthana of Mercury (Shri ChandrShekhar)

> Dear Sanjay Rathji, Thank you for your note and good explanation

of Mercury and it's MK Stana. Unfortunately I belong to Mithuna Lagna

but always saved by the lord from all the Vices attached to it.

thanks again for rememberig me. respectfully yours, Utpal Pathak

>

> "Pt. Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:

>

> om namo bhagavate vāsudevāyaDear Utpal and Chandrasekhar

jiI have consistantly held that there are two opinions about the

marana sthana of Mercury - perhaps because of the peculiar dualistic

nature of Mercury. Look at its houses - Gemini is the most impure

indicating prostitution and what not all evils and look at Virgo the

purest of the pure. Perhaps the marana sthana has to do with these

two houses unlike the other planets. Perhaps the marana sthana of

Mercury in the 7th house related to Virgo where the purity or

*virginity* of the virgin is lost and the 4th house relates to the

marana sthana for Gemini where the avidya and evil comes to an end

due to home. In fact youngsters are always concerned or *controlled*

by the awareness or some fear of home - parents.Regards and thanks

for the probeSanjay15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060

IndiaPhone 11-25717162, http://srath.com -

Utpal Pathak [vedic_pathak]vedic astrology:

Saturday, May 28, 2005 09:59 AM:Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Marana Karaka Sthana of Mercury (Shri ChandrShekhar)

> Dear Chandrashekhar Ji, This is a very important post for me.

It'll go long way to understand MK's effects in actual life. I was

confused about Marankarka placement of planets and it's parctical

effects on the natives as i have seen that many people have planets

in MK and they have not suffered in the karkatatva or bhava results.

now i got the hint to test it further with the malefic Association

with the said planets. regards, utpal

>

> Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46> wrote:Dear Narasimha,

> You are right. Jataka Parijata does say 7th house for Mercury. It

also fives additional conditions for the Marana effects to occur in

these houses which are,"..tasminpaapayute.athavaa

paapadrishte.arineechasthe durbale duKkhamaapnuyaat". So the planet

will have to be in Marana Karana Sthana with a malefic or aspected by

malefic or in Neecha Rasi and weak for it to give sorrow (dukkha).

>

> Sanjay, perhaps, relies on Sthana vishesha where planets can not

give their effects and where the condition of being with malefic etc.

are not ,apparently, applicable. Incidentally it is interesting that

the first Maranakarana Sthana shlokas appear in adhyaaya, which deals

with Kalachakra dasha(Adhyaaya 17), whereas one not requiring malefic

association as a condition appears in Adhyaaya 2 related to Graha

swarupa. The relevant shlokas are:

> jatk pairjat

> jätaka pärijäta

> AXyay 2

> adhyäya 2

> kamavnInNdnraizyata> isteNÊpuÇamrvN*mana>,

> kämävanénandanaräçiyätäù sitenduputrämaravandyamänäù|

> AiròdaSte=ioljatke;u sda=òmSw>ziniròd> Syat.52.

> ariñöadäste'khilajätakeñu sadä'ñöamasthaùçaniriñöadaù syäta||52||

>

> Indicating bhavaas where planets are incapable of giving their

effects.

> AXyay 17

> adhyäya 17

>

> æat&Swangtae jIvae darSwangt> kj>,

> bhrätåsthänagato jévo därasthänagataù kujaù|

> twa jNmgtae mNdae ra÷nRvm raizg>.34.

> tathä janmagato mando rähurnavama räçigaù||34||

>

> cNÔae=òm¢h< yat> sUyaeR ir:)g&h< gt>,

> candro'ñöamagrahaà yätaù süryo riñphagåhaà gataù|

> bux> sÝmÉavSwae ÉagRv> zÇuraizg>.35.

> budhaù saptamabhävastho bhärgavaù çatruräçigaù||35||

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> #Tyev< mr[swan< tiSmNpapyute=wva,

> ityevaà maraëasthänaà tasminpäpayute'thavä|

> papòe=irnIcSwe ÊbRle Ê>omaßuyat!.36.

> päpadåñöe'rinécasthe durbale duùkhamäpnuyät||36||

>

> Indicating Bhavas whetre malefic association etc. are required.

> I have used sanskrit99 fonts on alternate lines of the shloka.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: Namaste,

>

> On vedic astrology , there has been a discussion on

whether Mercury's marana karaka sthana is 7th or 4th and on the

significance of marana karaka sthanas.

>

> Sanjay ji gave 7th as Mercury's marana karaka sthana earlier, but

changed it to 4th recently. I am not sure of the classical basis he

has for 4th, but the reverred classic "Jataka Parijatam" I think

mentions 7th for Mercury. JHora uses 7th and not 4th.

>

> I have explained the basis and significance of marana karaka sthana

in one of my lessons (link below). I will summarize quickly.

>

> These are the houses where the planets are most uncomfortable/feel

awkward. To do justice to the house they occupy, they have to work

extra hard and, in the process, the houses they own suffer. Thus,

houses/karakatwa owned by planets in marana karaka sthana suffer.

>

> Sun is the significator of ego. He feels awkward in the 12th house

of overcoming ego. Jupiter likes peace. He feels awkward in the 3rd

house of weapons and boldness. Mars is the significator of wars and

fighting. He is very comfortable in the 6th house. But, if you place

him in the 7th house and tell him to give somebody a relationship and

marriage, he will feel awkward about it. Similarly, Venus is the

giver of love, relationships and marriage. If you place him in the

6th house of war and bachelorhood, he will be most uncomfortable

there. Rahu, the planet of adharma, naturally feels awkward in the

9th house of dharma, religion and temple. Saturn is the giver of

disease and suffering. If you place him in the 1st house of health

and tell him to take care of someone's health, he will naturally feel

awkward.

>

> Thus, marana karaka sthanas of planets are places where they are

not comfortable and where they have to work extra hard to do justice.

In the process, other promises of the planet suffer.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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Namaskaar Sri Sanjay Rath,

 

Thank you for your remarks....

 

Please excuse me from asking more and more questions, but this is how

I learn.

 

Marana Karan Sthana would mean where the planet loses its quality. If

Mercury is dual, then it should lose its duality.

 

As per Sri Sanjay's statement the 4th house in relation with Mithuna

and 7th house in relation with Kanya, would not dissolve the dual

nature of Mercury.

 

Should it not be the place where Mercury loses its dual nature itself

and not just the nature as per its sign?

 

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Pt. Sanjay Rath"

<guruji@s...> wrote:

>

>

> om namo bhagavate vāsudevāyaDear UtpalNeed not be.What

connection does lagna have to the kama bhava matters of mithuna rasi?

Infact if mithuna is the lagna then the native has early realisation

of this and understands this, provided Mercury is strong. I have found

most mithuna lagna people to be concerned about and serious about not

having such vices. If Mithuna is in the 2nd house from UL then you

will see how this thing comes out, also with mithuna in A7 or such

areas. I have found that mihuna in 2nd from UL never fails to give

multiple partners, especially in countries and places where the rasi

is very strong like big cities. Best WishesSanjay Rath15B Gangaram

Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060 IndiaPhone +91-11-25717162,

http://srath.com -Utpal Pathak

[vedic_pathak]Pt. Sanjay Rath[guruji@s...]Saturday, May

28, 2005 05:47 PM:Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Marana Karaka Sthana of Mercury (Shri ChandrShekhar)

> Dear Sanjay Rathji, Thank you for your note and good explanation of

Mercury and it's MK Stana. Unfortunately I belong to Mithuna Lagna but

always saved by the lord from all the Vices attached to it. thanks

again for rememberig me. respectfully yours, Utpal Pathak

>

> "Pt. Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:

>

> om namo bhagavate vāsudevāyaDear Utpal and Chandrasekhar

jiI have consistantly held that there are two opinions about the

marana sthana of Mercury - perhaps because of the peculiar dualistic

nature of Mercury. Look at its houses - Gemini is the most impure

indicating prostitution and what not all evils and look at Virgo the

purest of the pure. Perhaps the marana sthana has to do with these two

houses unlike the other planets. Perhaps the marana sthana of Mercury

in the 7th house related to Virgo where the purity or *virginity* of

the virgin is lost and the 4th house relates to the marana sthana for

Gemini where the avidya and evil comes to an end due to home. In fact

youngsters are always concerned or *controlled* by the awareness or

some fear of home - parents.Regards and thanks for the probeSanjay15B

Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060 IndiaPhone 11-25717162,

http://srath.com -Utpal Pathak

[vedic_pathak]vedic astrology: Saturday, May 28, 2005

09:59 AM:Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Marana

Karaka Sthana of Mercury (Shri ChandrShekhar)

> Dear Chandrashekhar Ji, This is a very important post for me. It'll

go long way to understand MK's effects in actual life. I was confused

about Marankarka placement of planets and it's parctical effects on

the natives as i have seen that many people have planets in MK and

they have not suffered in the karkatatva or bhava results. now i got

the hint to test it further with the malefic Association with the said

planets. regards, utpal

>

> Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46> wrote:Dear Narasimha,

> You are right. Jataka Parijata does say 7th house for Mercury. It

also fives additional conditions for the Marana effects to occur in

these houses which are,"..tasminpaapayute.athavaa

paapadrishte.arineechasthe durbale duKkhamaapnuyaat". So the planet

will have to be in Marana Karana Sthana with a malefic or aspected by

malefic or in Neecha Rasi and weak for it to give sorrow (dukkha).

>

> Sanjay, perhaps, relies on Sthana vishesha where planets can not

give their effects and where the condition of being with malefic etc.

are not ,apparently, applicable. Incidentally it is interesting that

the first Maranakarana Sthana shlokas appear in adhyaaya, which deals

with Kalachakra dasha(Adhyaaya 17), whereas one not requiring malefic

association as a condition appears in Adhyaaya 2 related to Graha

swarupa. The relevant shlokas are:

> jatk pairjat

> jätaka pärijäta

> AXyay 2

> adhyäya 2

> kamavnInNdnraizyata> isteNÊpuÇamrvN*mana>,

> kämävanénandanaräçiyätäù sitenduputrämaravandyamänäù|

> AiròdaSte=ioljatke;u sda=òmSw>ziniròd> Syat.52.

> ariñöadäste'khilajätakeñu sadä'ñöamasthaùçaniriñöadaù syäta||52||

>

> Indicating bhavaas where planets are incapable of giving their effects.

> AXyay 17

> adhyäya 17

>

> æat&Swangtae jIvae darSwangt> kj>,

> bhrätåsthänagato jévo därasthänagataù kujaù|

> twa jNmgtae mNdae ra÷nRvm raizg>.34.

> tathä janmagato mando rähurnavama räçigaù||34||

>

> cNÔae=òm¢h< yat> sUyaeR ir:)g&h< gt>,

> candro'ñöamagrahaà yätaù süryo riñphagåhaà gataù|

> bux> sÝmÉavSwae ÉagRv> zÇuraizg>.35.

> budhaù saptamabhävastho bhärgavaù çatruräçigaù||35||

>

> #Tyev< mr[swan< tiSmNpapyute=wva,

> ityevaà maraëasthänaà tasminpäpayute'thavä|

> papòe=irnIcSwe ÊbRle Ê>omaßuyat!.36.

> päpadåñöe'rinécasthe durbale duùkhamäpnuyät||36||

>

> Indicating Bhavas whetre malefic association etc. are required.

> I have used sanskrit99 fonts on alternate lines of the shloka.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote: Namaste,

>

> On vedic astrology , there has been a discussion on

whether Mercury's marana karaka sthana is 7th or 4th and on the

significance of marana karaka sthanas.

>

> Sanjay ji gave 7th as Mercury's marana karaka sthana earlier, but

changed it to 4th recently. I am not sure of the classical basis he

has for 4th, but the reverred classic "Jataka Parijatam" I think

mentions 7th for Mercury. JHora uses 7th and not 4th.

>

> I have explained the basis and significance of marana karaka sthana

in one of my lessons (link below). I will summarize quickly.

>

> These are the houses where the planets are most uncomfortable/feel

awkward. To do justice to the house they occupy, they have to work

extra hard and, in the process, the houses they own suffer. Thus,

houses/karakatwa owned by planets in marana karaka sthana suffer.

>

> Sun is the significator of ego. He feels awkward in the 12th house

of overcoming ego. Jupiter likes peace. He feels awkward in the 3rd

house of weapons and boldness. Mars is the significator of wars and

fighting. He is very comfortable in the 6th house. But, if you place

him in the 7th house and tell him to give somebody a relationship and

marriage, he will feel awkward about it. Similarly, Venus is the giver

of love, relationships and marriage. If you place him in the 6th house

of war and bachelorhood, he will be most uncomfortable there. Rahu,

the planet of adharma, naturally feels awkward in the 9th house of

dharma, religion and temple. Saturn is the giver of disease and

suffering. If you place him in the 1st house of health and tell him to

take care of someone's health, he will naturally feel awkward.

>

> Thus, marana karaka sthanas of planets are places where they are not

comfortable and where they have to work extra hard to do justice. In

the process, other promises of the planet suffer.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

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