Delineating by way of Rasi charts and Bhava charts - David

May 30, 2005

Dear David,

Nice to talk to you for the first time after our meeting at Mumbai.

Thank you for Soukiyama and Googly. it means that your are reading

my posts in the other list.

'Googly' is a word from Cricket. as per defination, when a Leg

spinner, who normally bowls Leg Spine bowling, suddenly bowls a

delivery which goes Straight without turning or turns the otherway,

completely 'Baffling' the Batsman as well as Wicket keeper. that

delivery is called as 'Googly'.

that is called Googly and now you can relate it to my post where i

mentioned this word.

About Our current topic, I wish to say that, Mrs Gayatri devi

Vasudev (Editor of the famous Astrological Magazine)had taken up the

Same Issue 4/5 months back. the part II is awaited & hope she comes

out with it soon.

That will be useful in Their understanding about the same subject

because her father has used this Bhava concept extensively.

best regards,

Utpal Pathak

vedic astrology, David Andrews

<andrews635> wrote:

> Dear Utpal ji,

> Soukiyama?

> Thank you for taking your time to respond to my email. I am

really anxious to have the matters clarified and I hope Gurus and

learned members would respond with answers soon.

> BTW, what is "Googly"?

>

> David

>

> Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> Dear David,

>

> What I can reply? I have the same confusion about Rashi & Bhav

Chalita. only thing i have heard from respected Sources is that even

if Planets change their Bhava in chalit chakra but they are

considered in the same Rashi as in the Rashi chart and not according

to their changed placement in chalit chart.

>

> looking forward to get the answer which removes the confusion as

you said once for all.

>

> regards,

>

> Utpal

>

> David Andrews <andrews635> wrote:

> Dear Sir,

> Thank you for the kind response. You were the only one who had

responded to a question that seeks a valid answer. We are yet to

find one? Will anyone of the Gurus or learned members pur to rest a

matter that is in need of clarification?

>

> David

>

> SuryaViswanadham <vishwanatham@g...> wrote:

>

> Dear David,

>

> i have seen peopleusing Rasi & bhava chalita chakras, with one

> modifying the other.

>

> Q is what does bhava chakra depict? According to some it is the

> subtle matter surounding us ( like a subtle body surrounding our

> physical body).

>

> We have legal boundary ( as per documents), we also a boundary on

> which we have influence ( though not legally recognised)!

>

> Can you think of a situation? i use only rasi chakra, as i do not

> know much about the subtel areas.

>

> regards

> Surya

>

> vedic astrology, David Andrews

> <andrews635> wrote:

> > Dear Gurus and learned members,

> > I notice that delineation of a horoscope is done by way of Rasi

> charts as well as Bhava charts. This has led to a lot of

confusion

> to me and I would not be surprised if others are also likewise

> confused.

> > I have often wondered why talk of Bhava charts when Rasi Chart

will

> suffice. I have often sought an answer to this question and have

> looked into books on astrology but they offer no clue. Most of the

> books take the Rasi chart to delineate a horoscope, whereas Dr. B.

V.

> Raman' s book, "How to Judge a Horoscope" Bhava charts are used.

> > The confusion became compounded when I had to deal with a

> debilitated planet in a chart and tried to see whether there is

> cancellation of debilitation. The debilitated planet is Jupiter

in

> Capricorn. The dispositor of Capricorn is Saturn and it is

posited

> there. If the dispositor is in a quadrant from either Lagna or the

> Moon, then cancellation of debilitation results. Unfortunately,

Moon

> is in Virgo and therefore there is no nexus between Moon and the

> dispositor of the debilitated planet.

> > If I were to take the Bhava chart cancellation of debilitation

> results as Moon is in Libra and the dispositor where Jupiter is

> debilitated is in a quadrant to the Moon.

> > Notice here the movement of planets between the Rasi and Bhava

> charts. If one were to take the aspects of planets from both these

> charts, the effect in each case would be different and would bring

> about conflicting results

> > I would appreciate if Gurus and learned members help clarify in

> which cases Rasi and Bhava charts are used so as to dispel the

> confusion once and for all.

> > Thank you for patiently reading through this lengthy email.

> >

> > David

> >

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May 31, 2005

Even though I have not used Bhava charts much, i have an understanding that the

bhava positions change the colour of the planets. For example a planet may be

in the 12th sign from the lagna, but when we draw up bhava chalit it comes to

11th bhava from lagna. This clearly shows that instead of participating in

losses it would give gains. But the point is that it doesnot change Rasi, Rasi

is a field , a kshetra. Thus it would act as if in the same rasi but different

Bhava. The word bhava means "feeling" or "meaning given to a object". The bhava

chart can show the real picture. This is not exactly based on experience, but

rather what i have learnt from some astrologers.

best wishes

partha

On 5/31/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > wrote:

Dear David,Nice to talk to you for the first time after our meeting at

Mumbai.Thank you for Soukiyama and Googly. it means that your are reading

my posts in the other list.'Googly' is a word from Cricket. as per defination,

when a Legspinner, who normally bowls Leg Spine bowling, suddenly bowls

adelivery which goes Straight without turning or turns the otherway,

completely 'Baffling' the Batsman as well as Wicket keeper. thatdelivery is

called as 'Googly'.that is called Googly and now you can relate it to my post

where imentioned this word.About Our current topic, I wish to say that, Mrs

Gayatri devi

Vasudev (Editor of the famous Astrological Magazine)had taken up theSame Issue

4/5 months back. the part II is awaited & hope she comesout with it soon.That

will be useful in Their understanding about the same subject

because her father has used this Bhava concept extensively.best regards,Utpal

Pathakvedic astrology, David Andrews

<andrews635> wrote:> Dear Utpal ji,> Soukiyama?> Thank you for taking your

time to respond to my email. I amreally anxious to have the matters clarified

and I hope Gurus andlearned members would respond with answers soon.

> BTW, what is "Googly"?>> David>> Utpal Pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:> Dear

David,>> What I can reply? I have the same confusion about Rashi & Bhav

Chalita. only thing i have heard from respected Sources is that evenif Planets

change their Bhava in chalit chakra but they areconsidered in the same Rashi as

in the Rashi chart and not accordingto their changed placement in chalit chart.

>> looking forward to get the answer which removes the confusion asyou said once

for all.>> regards,>> Utpal>> David Andrews <andrews635> wrote:> Dear Sir,

> Thank you for the kind response. You were the only one who hadresponded to a

question that seeks a valid answer. We are yet tofind one? Will anyone of the

Gurus or learned members pur to rest amatter that is in need of clarification?

>> David>> SuryaViswanadham <vishwanatham@g...> wrote:>> Dear David,>> i have

seen peopleusing Rasi & bhava chalita chakras, with one> modifying the other.

>> Q is what does bhava chakra depict? According to some it is the> subtle

matter surounding us ( like a subtle body surrounding our> physical body).>> We

have legal boundary ( as per documents), we also a boundary on

> which we have influence ( though not legally recognised)!>> Can you think of a

situation? i use only rasi chakra, as i do not> know much about the subtel

areas.>> regards> Surya

>>>> vedic astrology, David Andrews> <andrews635>

wrote:> > Dear Gurus and learned members,

> > I notice that delineation of a horoscope is done by way of Rasi> charts as

well as Bhava charts. This has led to a lot ofconfusion> to me and I would not

be surprised if others are also likewise

> confused.> > I have often wondered why talk of Bhava charts when Rasi

Chartwill> suffice. I have often sought an answer to this question and have>

looked into books on astrology but they offer no clue. Most of the

> books take the Rasi chart to delineate a horoscope, whereas Dr. B.V.> Raman' s

book, "How to Judge a Horoscope" Bhava charts are used.> > The confusion became

compounded when I had to deal with a

> debilitated planet in a chart and tried to see whether there is> cancellation

of debilitation. The debilitated planet is Jupiterin> Capricorn. The

dispositor of Capricorn is Saturn and it is

posited> there. If the dispositor is in a quadrant from either Lagna or the>

Moon, then cancellation of debilitation results. Unfortunately,Moon> is in

Virgo and therefore there is no nexus between Moon and the

> dispositor of the debilitated planet.> > If I were to take the Bhava chart

cancellation of debilitation> results as Moon is in Libra and the dispositor

where Jupiter is> debilitated is in a quadrant to the Moon.

> > Notice here the movement of planets between the Rasi and Bhava> charts. If

one were to take the aspects of planets from both these> charts, the effect in

each case would be different and would bring

> about conflicting results> > I would appreciate if Gurus and learned members

help clarify in> which cases Rasi and Bhava charts are used so as to dispel

the> confusion once and for all.

> > Thank you for patiently reading through this lengthy email.> >> > David> >>

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May 31, 2005

Thank you for your response but I must say that I have not got the clarification that I sought.

I notice that you will be going on a business or pleasure trip this week and the

next. I wish you a safe and pleasant journey. Perhaps on your return you will

try and clarify matters.

DavidPartha Sarathy <partvinu > wrote:

Dear David